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Kathulous' Quagmire.

Posted by TychoFor group 0
Tycho
GM, 3945 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 06:57
  • msg #1

Kathulous' Quagmire

A requested thread for Kathulous.  Apparently some guy named Quagmire has complained about liberals.  Discuss.  (Hopefully Kathulous will elaborate a bit for us)
Kathulos
player, 267 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 17:11
  • msg #2

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

http://imgur.com/gallery/srTljAA

"Social injustices" often aren't Social Injustices at all. They're just something that people make use of for whining, and scape goating other people as often as possible. If people are born White, Male and Heterosexual, they are often labeled as derogatory terms for each thing in the former three categories just for being born that way, and yet "Social Justice Warriors" will often hypocritically hate, either obviously or pretentiously, the straight, Caucasian Males just for being that way.

This also briefly mentions Christianity. . . which is why I bothered to put this in the religion section. "News Flash, not everyone is perfect". . . is how Quagmire put it. Christianity is NOT the only religion that has done evil in the past. Even Buddhism, as good as it has been through the past many decades, maybe centuries in history, has some outstanding examples of their clergy horrifically abusing people of lower castes when the Dali Llama says that showing compassion is not a sign of weakness.

I'm not saying "let's all just get along" I'm just trying to say, if you're going to fight real social injustice, go ahead and do it, and stop attacking the babies for what the muggers are doing.
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hakootoko
player, 150 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 19:07
  • msg #3

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

I think it's a mistake to generically criticize a disparate group of people. You run the danger of strawmanning them by lumping all of their views together.

I read The Guardian, where a significant number of commenters might be called Social Justice Warriors, and many of them also speak up against what you are complaining about. The SJWs seem divided on the issue of blaming men for being men or telling people to "check their privilege." They're not a unified block.

If you want to see ugliness in SJW land, you should look at the infighting between lesbians and transsexuals. It's uglier than the occasional attack on men in general, because in lesbians v transsexuals both sides come out swinging.
Kathulos
player, 268 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 19:57
  • msg #4

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

hakootoko:
I think it's a mistake to generically criticize a disparate group of people. You run the danger of strawmanning them by lumping all of their views together.

I read The Guardian, where a significant number of commenters might be called Social Justice Warriors, and many of them also speak up against what you are complaining about. The SJWs seem divided on the issue of blaming men for being men or telling people to "check their privilege." They're not a unified block.

If you want to see ugliness in SJW land, you should look at the infighting between lesbians and transsexuals. It's uglier than the occasional attack on men in general, because in lesbians v transsexuals both sides come out swinging.


I don't think you know what I'm saying. You are assuming I"m talking about all Social Justice advocates. I'm talking about "Warriors". The apostraphes is meant by me to convey sarcasm.
katisara
GM, 5673 posts
Conservative human
Antagonist
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 20:13
  • msg #5

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

How can you tell a 'warrior' from an 'advocate'?
Kathulos
player, 269 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 21:01
  • msg #6

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

An advocate, without apostrophe surrounding it, is obviously the original meaning of the word. Maybe a lawyer, or perhaps someone who just supports something.

I support proper social justice against abuse of power.

An "Advocate" depending on certain circumstances, can be used to convey a sense of sarcasm. It's easier to tell sarcasm in a context like on the internet or in letters, the spoken word, by the proper use of apostrophes.

A warrior is someone who fights. When I'm using "Warrior" in this context, I'm talking about someone who ludicrously concludes that social injustices happen when a scientist invents a nail polish that can detect the presence of date rape drugs, and then feminists say that he is somehow oppressing women.
Grandmaster Cain
player, 824 posts
Meddling son of
a bezelwort
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 21:32
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Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

In reply to Kathulos (msg # 6):

That seems like a rather artificial and pointless distinction.  If "warrior" is someone who fights, then there's no distinction betwseen peaceful fighters like Gandhi and Martin Luther King, who fought hard but nonviolently; and violent ones, like the 60's Black Panthers.  Your dividing line, sarcsm, basically seems to be: "Who can take a joke and who can't".  Which is absolutely unfair, because that would allow racists to spout all kinds of hate, then get away with it by saying: "It was just a joke!"
Kathulos
player, 270 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 21:50
  • msg #8

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

You're thinking too much if you just want to criticize what I'm saying.
hakootoko
player, 151 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 21:58
  • msg #9

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

The distinction seems artificial to me, too.

It sounds like an 'advocate' is campaigning for social justice you agree with, and a 'warrior' is campaigning for social justice you disagree with.
Kathulos
player, 271 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 22:13
  • msg #10

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

Is the link working? Because I'm pretty sure that Quagmire is addressing exactly the same thing you're talking about.
hakootoko
player, 152 posts
Mon 1 Sep 2014
at 22:51
  • msg #11

Re: Kathulous' Quagmire

I read the link after you made your first post in this thread, but I don't see how it relates to my comment.
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