Anything on your mind?
This message was last updated by the GM at 15:21, Sun 03 Feb 2013.

OK Jeff,  let's christen your board with its first game :-)

Meet you on table 1.

Extended format OK?
13:37, Today: matthewfenn rolled 2 using 1d2. T1: 1=I go first, 2=U go first.

Ok who wants to meet me for a game on table 2?  I've got a deck I want to test against some people I play against.  I'm hoping this deck will be nasty.

:D hello people's

Hi Zerrack!  Welcome! Welcome!

I'll play you on Table 3 - not table 2 of course, since that is already in use!

I've only got a real deck and just the one currently functional... XD so it's the best I can do for now.... I apologize if you hate it it's all I got for now.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:58, Mon 17 Dec 2012.

New version 8.3 up at the usual place...  you can find it here:
http://www.matthew.fenn.dsl.pi.../Downloads/index.htm

Ignore the fact that the web page says version 8.0 - missed updating that!

Sorry for delay Zerrack, been busy finalising the new version... Will post in our game later today...  BTW, what do you mean by XD?

It's a face with squinted eyes basically and is download that but I'm riynning off my iPhone gotta get a new comp and plan to here soon.

Lol, ah, a smiley!  I'm on my phone on a train at the moment, hence my game post will have to wait til later.

XD it's cool do it whenever your ready

When the time comes, should you want to play in multiple games simultaneously, I'm a very prolific poster.

Here is the link to more of our 'group':

link to another game

Still, as Matthew can attest, no other player posts as frequently as myself.  I have over 14,000 posts on the 'board' listed above.

In reply to Jeff (msg # 11):

anyone want a match?

Hi Raymond!  Welcome.  I'll play you! - might need Jeff to create us a new table first though :-)
This message was last edited by the player at 09:38, Mon 24 Dec 2012.

In reply to matthewfenn (msg # 13):

ok then I'll wait

In the meantime, we can have a brief chat :)

Have you played MTG via RPOL before?  Are you going to be using a physical deck?  Or will you put your deck into my Excel based tool and use that to play it as a "virtual deck?"

Also, out of curiosity - what time zone are you in?

In reply to matthewfenn (msg # 15):

No I haven't played MtG on RPoL before, and i'll be using my physical deck
As for my time zone, hmm I live in Australia and it is daylight savings, so Gmt+11

Oooo!  I'm almost diametrically opposite from you!  I'm in the UK.  GMT :-)

Probably won't get to post again now for a the next couple of days.

Wow.  Welcome everybody!  I look forward to playing you all, at some point.

Hope everyone had a good Christmas!

Anyone up for a game with me?

Sure - Table 5.

Odds - I play first.   10:39, Today: Jeff rolled 16 using 1d20. Table 5 vs Raymond.

Sorry I disappeared with no warning life problems snuck up on me

Life happens - learn to live with it.

Welcome back Raymond.  I was wondering if it was something I said!  :-)

In reply to matthewfenn (msg # 25):

Nah if you said anything that I had a problem with I'd talk to you about it

Looking for a match. Using a green/blue/black deck with 60 cards. Will play anybody =]

I'll play you on table 7 Zerda.  You can go first.

In reply to LAGO (msg # 28):

first turn made =]

Sorry to pirate your game, LAGO.  I read this thread after I began the new game.  You can have Table 6.

If Zerda doesn't want to play 2 games simultaneously, I'll take you on.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:16, Sat 02 Feb 2013.

LAGO would u be willing to play against a red/white 68 card deck? if you want to play against the green/blue/black ill have to make a copy on an excel sheet as i am using physical card system currently and i have honor when playing.

I doubt LAGO cares.  We play a lot of games, and none of us care much unless a desk construction format is chosen before the game.

Check out the other board @ link to another game where we also compete.  You might as well RTJ there too.

Don't care at all.  I'm playing a UG 60 card deck.

Hopefully if you consider making any decks with an excel sheet you will consider downloading my spreadsheet :-)  It makes creating decks and playing them on RPOL a breeze...  :-)

I've reorganized the menu to make it easier to navigate.

I meant to mention - I've released a new version of my spreadsheet...  now contains the Gatecrash cards.

Hey everybody I've beent asked with a big project at work with a very unrealistic deadline.  I'll post as soon as I am able.

If I don't post for the next couple of days, you can blame the molar that's been throbbing all night long.

I can't post for several days; my father is having neurosurgery tomorrow and is in very bad condition.

All I've had time to do this week is eat, sleep, and wait around the hospital.  Its possible that my father will be moved to a stepdown unit tomorrow.  If that occurs, I'll resume normal posting by Sunday or Monday.

I'll start posting again tonight.  At present, it appears that I'll be spending the daytime hours with my Dad.

Expect my posting to be inconsistent for the next couple of weeks, as family matters worsen.  Sorry.

Sorry for silence - had visitors at the weekend and at customer meetings today + again tomorrow.  Will hopefully catch up on my games by Wed.

The MunchKING greets you mortals, and challenges you to a duel of powers!! All shall fall before my foul armies!! So who shall challenge me?

In reply to The MunchKING (msg # 44):
Sure I will test your dueling skills

Very well! Shall we ajourn to Table 8?

(And how do you actually get it set up as a me/you game in the title and all?)

don't know how to set up the title but I believe that if we start on table 8 the mods will label it as such lol. would u like to go first?

As you wish.

Anybody in the mood for a multiplayer FFA?

sure

Sounds like a plan!

Is there still time to join?

Up until play begins.

Jeff - I think the multiplayer should be starting on Table 11 - not table 10.

Anyone ever think of running an Emperor game?

How do they work?

Normally played by 6 people with 3 people per team and one of the people per team is the Emperor the other 2 are guards. the emperor cannot be attacked until the guards are dealt with. The emperor can "give" his summoned monsters to his guards, but the guards cannot give the creatures back to the Emperor. The first emperor to die is the team that loses. it can be played with teams of 3 or 5. turn structure starts with a guard from team 1 playing then guard from team 2. then second guard from team 1 followed by second guard from t2 then the emperors play.
personally the biggest emperor game I've ever played had 4 teams of 3 people. That's a crazy game.

Can the emporers still be hit by "all Players" or "all opponents" cards? Esp. one them take damage?

EDIT: for that matter you just said "attacked" can they be individually targeted with Direct Damage spells?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:46, Wed 13 Mar 2013.

In reply to The MunchKING (msg # 58):



Yes to both.

Sounds kinda cool. The MunchKING would be willing to be an Emporer in such a game. :D

I think we'd find it difficult to get enough players for that - and it would be a very drawn out game...   Elder Dragon Highlander works better in this format...

okay im trying to find the name of this card cause I cannot remember it. Its an artifact that allows the use of tap abilities the turn creatures come into play. ive looked in the MTG vault but couldn't find it. please help me.

I don't know about an artifact, but there's a bunch of Red Enchanments that do that...

Thousand year Elixer Maybe??

http://findmagiccards.com/Card...and_Year_Elixir.html

Lightning Greaves work if you only want it on one monster.

http://findmagiccards.com/Card...ghtning_Greaves.html

Thank you Munch. that's the one I was looking for.

Have you downloaded my spreadsheet?  Using the filters on the All Cards tab is is pretty easy to find cards that do stuff.

Question: player has a facedown 2/2 creature attacking. I block with 3/3. he morphs it into a 5/6 flying creature. the block would then be considered invalid correct? with the now unblocked creature dealing damage as the 5/6 correct?

*shrug*

I dunno, I thought once the blocker was declared the guy stayed blocked either way. I would be happy to accept an impartial ruling however.

I inadvertently found this Gatherer ruling:

ok ty jeff

During combat, players can only cast spells and activate abilities at certain times.

To paraphrase and shorten the rules it basically goes like this:

1. Beginning of Combat step
   
   1. Any beginning of combat triggers trigger.
      
   2. Active player gets Priority and can cast spells etc.
      
   3. Priority passes to next player, when all pass we move to next step.
   
   
2. Declare Attackers step
   
   1. Active player declares which creature(s) he is attacking with and who he is attacking.
      
   2. Valid attacking creatures are tapped and considered "attacking" and any appropriate triggers trigger.
      
   3. Active player gets Priority and can cast spells etc.  Priority passes to next player, when all pass we move to next step.
   
   
3. Declare Blockers step
   
   1. Defending player(s) declares which attacking creature(s) he is blocking and which of his own creatures he is using.
      
   2. Valid defending creatures are considered blockers and the creatures they are blocking are considered blocked and any appropriate triggers trigger.
      
   3. Active player gets Priority and can cast spells etc.  Priority passes to next player, when all pass we move to next step.
   
   
4. Combat Damage step
   
   1. Active player declares how his attacking creatures apply their damage (assuming no other rules give that choice to anyone else)
      
   2. Damage is dealt, creatures die, Triggers trigger
      
   3. Active player gets Priority and can cast spells etc.
   
   
5. End of Combat step
   
   1. Triggers trigger
      
   2. Active player gets Priority and can cast spells etc.

Obviously, only when players get priority can they cast spells and activate abilities.  One of the big changes that happened a while back in Magic Rules was basically around the timing of when stuff could be done in combat.  For example, if you want to regenerate a creature now in combat, you need to declare that you are using the regeneration at the end of the Declare Blocker's step.  You can't do it in response to how the damage is assigned in the Combat Damage Step.

Similarly, if you want to do anything that will affect whether your attacking creature can or can't be blocked, you have to make that decision in the Declare Attacker's step - i.e. BEFORE the defender declares his blockers.  You can't do it in response.

Raymond - you're up on the multiplayer...

anyone else think this card is broken?

  Lich's Mirror http://magiccards.info/ala/en/210.html; If you would lose the game, instead shuffle your hand, your graveyard, and all permanents you own into your library, then draw seven cards and your life total becomes 20

cause im glad I have it in my deck, though its only leage in classic and commander lol.

I think it's CRAP.

Think about it. You basically restart YOUR game from turn one, meanwhile your opponent still has whatever armies and stuff ready to hit you again on the next turn, and make you lose AGAIN.

It really only stops certain very themed decks.

Actually though, reading the Rulings on it, if you can steal one from your opponent somehow, then it's awesome!

It says you gather up all the permanents YOU own when you die, thus if you don't own the Mirror, it'll keep reviving you forever! (Well as long as you die from a way it heals you from, but even then it's a draw as you keep getting revived and dying forever).

having a problem with excel on my pc so im out of play for a little bit. will advise when it changes.

Got it working =]
This message was last edited by the player at 03:37, Sat 23 Mar 2013.

Untap, Draw 1, Upkeep.

   Defense of the Heart 3G (4) http://magiccards.info/ul/en/100.html triggers. I choose Master of the Wild Hunt - (Human Shaman , 3/3, 2GG (4) At the beginning of your upkeep, put a 2/2 green Wolf creature token onto the battlefield. {T}: Tap all untapped Wolf creatures you control. Each Wolf tapped this way deals damage equal to its power to target creature. That creature deals damage equal to its power divided as its controller chooses among any number of those Wolves.)
[http://magiccards.info/m10/en/191.html]

this is happening during the upkeep. Would Master of the wild hunts upkeep aility trigger as well since the Defense of the heart triggers at upkeep as well?

I would say no - assuming you are talking about Master of the Hunt being one of the cards you search for and put into play.

The round only has one "beginning of your upkeep" - multiple things can trigger at that point, however if something comes into play as a result of them, that item wasn't there when it happened, and as such can't in turn be triggered by it till the next turn.

ok ty was just wanting a nonbiased ruling. wasn't entirely sure about it myself.

Looks like we're done with Table 8 if the GM would like to clear it up.

What's up with Horde rules?

Count me in for the horde game.  Love the idea of adding in an RP element.

Count me in as well, I find the idea quite intrigueing.

In reply to The MunchKING (msg # 81):

Link to the rules: http://www.quietspeculation.co...ve-zombie-invasions/

Your link doesn't work

http://www.quietspeculation.co...e-zombie-invasions/#

Start playing your first turns then.  As the Horde I'll post in a contrasting color and boldface so that the horde turns stand out from the survivors turns.

so to play we gotta have commander decks. nvr built a commander deck. tips?

I think we should probably coordinate what types of decks we're using, but that's just me. Personally I'll be running Edric, Spymaster of Trest and lots of tramplers.

If there is room for me too - I'll join in...

As I understand it, we get three turns to "prepare"... before the horde starts work...

HOWEVER, before we start we need to agree what Commander decks we are going to use.  Preferably ones that will benefit each of us.  I'll review my Commander decks and let you know shortly.  Is the horde definitely going to be Zombies?  Or might it be some other type of "tribal"?

It will definitely be unknown.  The only restriction I've run into is that the horde must be represented by already existing creature tokens.  I'm working on the swarm now while attempting to follow the Louisville game.

The best way for everyone to have a chance to play is that everyone eventually runs a Horde - its worked in roleplaying for 4 decades.

Oooo!  A horde of 4/4 flying angel tokens http://magiccards.info/extra/t...gatecrash/angel.html could be very hard to defeat I imagine!!!!  Or even worse - 6/6 flying dragon tokens!  http://magiccards.info/extra/t...-ravnica/dragon.html - or worse still, 8/8 Elemental tokens!  http://magiccards.info/extra/t...vnica/elemental.html

GULP!  :-)

OK guys, prepare for the worst!

Who's going first in horde?

Doesn't matter.  Once all Survivors have had three prep turns, then the monsters take their first turn.

Ok, I never made a Commander Deck.

You going to want The MunchKING to join you if he makes a new deck, working out the intricacies of a Commander deck in play?

im playing a commander deck I found on mtgvault.com

With a Commander, do they count as "in play" when in the commander zone, and thus whatever effects their game text has is also in effect?

Commanders are your card that decides what colors you can use in your commander deck.
The commander can be summoned at anytime and unlike other cards if it gets killed it goes back to the commander slot and (if memory serves) you can resummon it.

They aren't considered in play when in the command zone.  Once you cast them from the command zone they go onto the battlefield. If they die you can put them back into the Command Zone.  The next time you cast them it costs 2 more to cast.

So if the casting cost was WW and you cast him once and he gets removed from the battlefield he would go back to your command zone and his casting cost would be 2WW.

Darn so picking a Commander with a really powerful ability won't get me a free powerful ability huh?

Darn :P

So when does the horde post?

My father doesn't have much time left; my posting will be inconsistent for the foreseeable future.

Sorry to hear that Jeff.  I hope things go as well as they can in these circumstances.

I'm sorry Jeff.  I'll say a prayer for you and your family.

Highlander game? What's that?

Also known as 100 card singleton. 100 card minimum, only one copy of any card that isn't a basic land.

so basically a commander deck right?

It is actually a new format for me. I normally play decks in that card range instead of the 60 card decks, but I never did a singleton. Closest I've ever done before is a white/blue control deck. It stole everything from the opponent, but also had Leyline of Singularity and Eye of Singularity in it, so none of the permanents were duplicated, except a couple.

And yes, basically a commander, but without the commander.

Oh, psh. Is that all? Well The MunchKING just made some of those decks...

Ah well if you want to test your Commander's might against The MunchKING's own, then he will accept your challenge.

I look forward to testing Commander deck play, but I think I'll request the actual Commanders in it.

Aww, dang. I'll have to find a proper commander for that one then.

Does the commander HAVE to be legendary?

According to the rules, yes.

feeling a 3-way commander battle?

Ok, going to have to make a few mods, but I'll be ready to start shortly. Gotta go for now, though.

That would be fine.

Commander battles are always fun here - I'm always up for a Commander game (aka Elder Dragon Highlander as it used to be known (EDH for short)).   If you are using the very latest version of my spreadsheet (see below), you will see an option on the Deck tab that asks you if it is an EDH deck or not. (See cell H1).  By selecting yes, it automatically changes contents of the "Draft Initial Post" - which I highly recommend using BTW.  Saves a bit of typing on your initial post of course, but also sets up your post into a standard format.  With EDH selected, it puts your general into the Command Zone and makes your life 40 :)

Incidentally, if you have successfully built a singleton deck, the deck sheet should show in cell D1 the words "Highlander Legal" to confirm that you only have one of each card (apart from basic lands of course) in your deck.

If you are wondering about the word "Higlander" mentioned above - it is of course taken from the film Highlander - where the recurring theme was "There can be only one!"

---

Incidentally, I have now uploaded version 8.6:

Version 8.6: Added in an Undo function for when making edits on the Deck Sheet, have corrected a bug in the Rename Deck macro that had crept in. Have added legality checks for "Highlander" (aka Singleton). Changed some forumals on the Table sheets to remove redundant links for basic lands. Database updated with token for use in Horde games.

This can be found here:
http://www.matthew.fenn.dsl.pi.../Downloads/index.htm

Adding your name onto the table. Just waiting to see if any more wish to join and editing my deck slightly, so as to add a commander. I would like to start tonight/tomorrow morning.

Anybody up for a game of two headed Giant?

hows that played?

Basically you have two teams of two.  Both teams share life points, so there is 40 per team.  Teams move simultaneously and can help each other out, aka block for each other and what not.  Other than that it's pretty much the same as regular Magic.

Deck restrictions?

Whatever the players agree on.

We typically say no slivers.

Wanna team up?

sure. you wanna run allies with me?

Sounds fun.

Ok zerda and Lago are looking for a team to take on in THG!

Looking for a Vintage or Legacy game, or someone that doesn't mind playing against such, to help me playtest a RL deck I'm working on. I need to eliminate a lot of cards out, but want to see which are the least useful. Deck is 120 cards at present and very light on the rares (17). I would like to start with an extended lift total to get further into the deck, either 40, 50, or 100. Anyone up for that?

I'll play against you.

EDIT: I've got a 75 card deck I want to try.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:23, Tue 16 Apr 2013.

Huh, apparently cockatrice got rid of all the non-canon cards. I was looking forward to setting up a Scheme deck, and they aren't there anymore. And it doesn't recognize a couple cards from my crazy deck...

Ermmm.... what are you talking about?

Cockatrice is a magic-playing program. It's the one I use to make my decks, and determine how they are shuffled, what I draw next, etc.

They USED to have all the weird cards, the ones that were only legal in weird formats like Scheme cards for Archenemy or Vanguard Cards for Vanguard, or the Planes for a Planechase game; and the ones that weren't legal at all, like Unglued or Unhinged.

Sometime (relatively recently I guess) They took all those cards out of the program, and now I can't make a Scheme Deck, and one of my previous decks that used Unglued cards it doesn't remember what the cards do.

All this was just something I felt like commenting on.

Sadly, all the good MTG programs that were free are getting cease and desist letters from Hasbro (current owners of WoTC).

Have you tried my spreadsheet?

Ummmmm... No... *looks embarrassed*

ENOUGH OF THIS CHATTER, though!! The MunchKINg has had enough and will wrest control of this puny board from you other "players". Any of you who fancy yourselves 'heroes' may oppose me in this goal, but know that my schemes and superior life force will SURELY crush you all!! For I declare myself your Archenemy, and will come to dominate you all!!

(OOC: Challenging people to an Archenemy game, bring it on!

Fair warning though, I will be roleplaying like fricking crazy. What would be the fun of being the villain if I couldn't ham it up, am I right??)

I've never played this variation.

EXPLAIN YOUR CHALLENGE VILE HENCHMAN!

HENCHMAN?! The MunchKING is offended!  Round Up your. Greatest heroes! You as a team will try to beat the MunchKING!

To aid him in his conquest of you, the MunchKING has prepared someFEINDISHLY devious schemes! He also goes first and has twice your Life Points because he is awesome!

http://www.wizards.com/magic/m...mtg/daily/feature/91

Anybody online for a quick game?

I'm going to sleep, but I'll want to start another game tomorrow.  You might as well go first.

I will be up for an Arch-enemy game.

There's one I guess.

I'd like to play this as well, but It will be next week before I can get into another game.

Hi Jeff, can you change the table name to EDH: Red/Munch/Zerda/Matthew please?

Not going to be able to post until Thursday or Friday.

If a creature has Undying or persist, do they go to the graveyard and then come back to the battlefield (so effects that trigger on a creature going to the graveyard would trigger)? And if so, do they come back as they were or as they would be if they were just cast, just with an additional counter on it??

Going to the graveyard AND coming into play triggers will trigger on Persist/Undying.

Yep, as matthew says. They have to go to the graveyard to trigger persist and undying, and since they've gone there, they also trigger coming into play effects again.

I just love a Persist/Undying deck with Power Conduit to remove the -1/-1 counters and make them into +1/+1 counters...

And do they still keep other things that effect what they were? For example in this other game I was playing, Player 1 had a Platinum Emperion in play. Player 2 killed it, then brought it back with a Rise from the Grave which says (amongst other things) that the creature is a Black Zombie in addition to it's other types. Player 1 manages to kill the Platinum Emperion (again), but Player 2 had a Mikaeus, the Unhallowed in play, which says non-human creatures have undying. So when the PE comes back with Undying, is it a Black Zombie in addition to an Artifact Construct, or just an Artifact Construct?

Whenever things change zone, they become new entities - so no, it would have lost the black zombie qualities

Alright. That's what I thought. Thank you.

Re the discussion on what cards are banned in Commander on Table 8:

see http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php

    Ancestral Recall
    Balance
    Biorhythm
    Black Lotus
    Coalition Victory
    Channel
    Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
    Fastbond
    Gifts Ungiven
    Karakas
    Library of Alexandria
    Limited Resources
    Metalworker
    Sundering Titan
    Primeval Titan
    Mox Sapphire, Ruby, Pearl, Emerald and Jet
    Painter's Servant
    Panoptic Mirror
    Protean Hulk
    Recurring Nightmare
    Sway of the Stars
    Time Vault
    Time Walk
    Tinker
    Tolarian Academy
    Upheaval
    Yawgmoth's Bargain
    Griselbrand
    Worldfire
    Trade Secrets (*New*)

You might want to add these cards to that list as well:

  Serene Remembrance
  Ivy Lane Denizen
  Gyre Sage
  Forced Adaptation

Those cards were in a deck i pulled from MTG Vault that was labled "EDH" and "Commander".

I was just going off the list on the page I quoted.  http://mtgcommander.net/rules.php

Huh, there wasn't anything about banned cards in the Magic Rules PDF I had, so I did not know that.

True, the banned card list is not listed in the MTG rules pdf - but it does say:

903.1. In the Commander variant, each deck is led by a legendary creature designated as that deck’s commander. The Commander variant was created and popularized by fans; an independent rules committee maintains additional resources at http://mtgcommander.net.

Jeff - might be a good idea to put that link in your Resources post...  ALSO, you might want to take out the link to Crystal Keep - since those rules haven't been kept up to date and don't have a lot of the new mechanisms in them.

Hey new player here no idea what i'm doing when it comes to play by post playing however im a long time player.

Joined for two reasons really

The main one is to test out my modern decks for the next invitational or FNM. So hopefully i can get a place at the PTQ's

the second is to play very casual formats such as EDH just for the funsies but i don;t yet have a deck built for EDH.

So is anyone up for a modern game?

I was trying to get an Archenemy game going. If you want you could use your modern dck on that.

I'm up for an Archenemy game still...  how many opponents do you have lined up for it so far Munch?

so when is the 2-headed Giant game gonna take place?

Oh - and welcome PushbartoOpen - recognise your handle from your posts in  the Developer's forum from time to time.  Welcome :-)

I highly recommend downloading my spreadsheet (see the resources thread for the link) - you can use it to make playing on RPOL a LOT easier...  formats your initial post so you have an easy template post to use for the rest of the game, keeps track of library, hand, battlefield, graveyard etc...   has all the card details in it so you can copy & paste into your turns and make it really easy for everyone to clearly see what you have in play etc...

I've been playing here for years now and the spreadsheet has gone through numerous variations as I've constantly tweaked and improved it :)

In fact, I'd welcome feedback from any of the people who currently use it - to see if there is any other ways in which I can improve it further! :-)

Ok i will give it a go.

as for games i really want a one on one match before anything else as i don;t have a deck built for arch-enemy.

sorry to be a stickler on this but if i'm not playing an agro deck (which i try to aviod) then each variation of multiplayer needs its own deck.

so Does any one want a one V onw in modern format,  also have a pauper deck if someone wants to go against me with that. I am willing to use that in THG or Archenemy tho if people don;t mind? I don;t even care if you use rares as long as i can follow the pauper banned list (artefact lands are not banned in pauper :0)

I'll take you on PushbartoOpen, though I'm a Brit and about to go to bed here in the UK. Also, tomorrow I have a business meeting in the morning, so won't be available to start till the afternoon...  (BTW - what would you prefer to be called for short?  PB?  Push? Fred? Oi You?  :-)

PbTo or Push or anything you want.. I'm British too but i have half day fridays (i love flexi time) so i will be ready by the afternoon too.

how do we set up a table?

Pretty easy really - we just pick one and start posting on it...  I'll do that now!

Trying to Use the Excel sheet

version 8.6 wouldn;t let me create decks as no pop ups appeared.

Version 8.2 will not let me populate the decklist even if copy pasting from the allcards tab and gives an error 438 no matter what i type??? What am i doing wrong?

Also i i download the excel 2007 file i get a windows error saying it can't find the file then it opens and i get 4 diffrent xref errors??? but i'm running excel 2003 anyway
This message was last edited by the player at 08:52, Fri 26 Apr 2013.

Can you have a look at the add-ins...?  You should have the Analysis tool-pak available...

Yeh thats here and so is Analasis VB toolpack both Enabled
This message was last edited by the player at 11:37, Fri 26 Apr 2013.

I will just have to see if i can run it from my personal laptop when i get home

Also out of interest in the EDH game that is going on i want to ask two questions

a) isn;t rhy's the redeamed banned as a commander for being far far to powerful and cheap and easy to bring back.

2) How did munchking go turn one play swamp tap and then play Lazav, Dimir Mastermind it makes no sense thats 1 mana for a 4 mana creature????

Edit my mistake RHYS issn't banned anymore. i'm sure it used to be.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:00, Fri 26 Apr 2013.

I've discovered the bug!  Because I'm always importing decks from a previous version, I'd not realised that the creating a brand new deck from the "CLICK HERE TO GET STARTED" macro had a bug in it...   I'll fix shortly and re-upload... watch this space...

Fixed and uploaded - version 8.7 is now available for download from:
  http://www.matthew.fenn.dsl.pi.../Downloads/index.htm

- Version 8.7: Corrected bug whereby it was impossible to create a new deck & table from this INSTRUCTIONS worksheet. Fixed Underground Sea oracle text.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:16, Fri 26 Apr 2013.

all works great for me now just waiting on your first post

He's not on the list...



What are you talking about? that was turn five, and I clearly put



I DID play a Shadow Denizen on the first turn, but given that I clearly typed that, I'm not sure how you would think I was casting Lamaz.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:09, Fri 26 Apr 2013.

thats all explained it now. i thought you had done some cool trick but i simply read the post wrong. its all clear now.

Also i was certain Rhys was on the banned list he must have been taken off. I'm now going to dust off some copies and build a deck around him.

Also now i got that excel sheet working i think its fantastic thanks alot.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:20, Fri 26 Apr 2013.

Thanks for pointing out the error - will post shortly to kick off our game - just had some work things I needed to take care of...  give me about a half-hour and should be ready.

the beauty of play by pot i read it half an hour later.

XD i apologies for disappearing... had all sorts of family issues and on top of that had my little nephew destroy about half my magic cards in rl.... ._.

ouch. my new puppy almost got ahold of my stash while i was handling some job search issues. Was lucky that she only chewed the boxes exterior. lol. would you be up for a game Zerrack?

i currently have 0 decks D: all of them were scattered or eaten ._.

ouch. guess thats one reason im glad i went to digital decks lol. though i still have my physical ones as well.

T1: Swamp.

Play Phyrexian walker for 0

tap Swamp for B, cast Culling the Weak (sacrificing Phyrexian Walker), adding BBBB to mana pool

Cast Phyrexian Obliterator.

Turn.


Oh, hi guys!

I spend about 4 hours a day playing Magic at my college, so I figured I might as well play online too!

Is anyone interested in a Modern game?

once i make a modern deck sure. most of my decks use cards that are old (4-5 years old)

Oh, interesting. I'll look into the games you've played here; I'm always interested in expanding my card knowledge base.

In one of the threads there is an excel spreadsheet that has been made for use with this site, courtesy of Matt. Download that and you'll have every card at your fingeritps.

As in, playing with and against new cards and figuring out interesting interactions.

I'll go check out that spreadsheet though.

I sent off an open challenge for an Archenemy game. If you want you can play your Modern deck in that...

I'm in.

Well that makes two. :P

id need to figure out the virtual deck thing XD but once i get that stuff figured out id be up for it.

I feel comfortable doing this now.  I'm in.

It's not too bad, probably good to do a one-on-one first, to get the hang of it, but it's not hard and picks up pretty easy.

Ut oh. I'm up to four! Maybe this site will have some worthy heroes after all!!

"If you think you are brave enough to walk the path of honor, follow me into the dragon's den."

XD ok so its been awhile since i looked everything over... but anyone feeling kind enough to give me links to a place to find the cards and something to build a virtual deck would be appreciated XD

I use http://tappedout.net/ .
This message was last edited by the player at 04:32, Sat 27 Apr 2013.

Ok me and Munchking are stuck and need help with a ruling:

At the time of the play I have a bonehoard http://magiccards.info/mbs/en/100.html in play attached to the germ token.  Munch has 7 creatures in his graveyard so it is a 7/7.

I attack with the 7/7 Bonehoard and a creature equipped with Sword of Body and Mind
making him mill 10.  Here is what he mills:

Player 1 puts Forest from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Emrakul's Hatcher from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Eldrazi Monument from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Kozilek's Predator from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Mountain from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Mountain from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Emrakul, the Aeons Torn from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Iron Myr from the top of his library into graveyard.
  Player 1 puts Sarkhan Vol from the top of his library into graveyard.

Emrakul and Ulamog both say this: When Ulamog/Emrakul is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.

So our question is does he mill 10 and then reshuffle everything into his library and, by default, kill the germ token or does he shuffle everything as soon as Emrakul hits the graveyard and again when Ulamog does reducing the germ token to a 1/1 by the time the mill is complete?

It seems to be a trigged effect so i would say that when each one hits, its efect triggers, so there would indeed be 2 more cards in the graveyard.

The germ dies as a state-based effect, for having 0 toughness.

Here's what happens:

1. Mill enters the stack. Resolves. All cards are milled at the same time. He controls both the Eldrazi, so he decides the order of the triggered abilities as they enter the stack.
2. First ability resolves, shuffling the graveyard into the libary. No creatures in graveyard, so the germ dies.
2. Second ability resolves, shuffling the empty graveyard into the library.

Body and Mind reads "Put the top ten cards into the graveyard." This happens all at once, not sequentially, and all abilities that trigger when a card is moved to the graveyard trigger at the same time, after all ten cards have been placed in the graveyard upon resolution of Sword of Body and Mind's ability.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:19, Sat 27 Apr 2013.

i just noticed what your pic was max.... those things must die!

Oh god you know about Merits.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:21, Sat 27 Apr 2013.

XD what im zerrack... ive never had it different but i recognize that name and picture... i will kill those furry little demons XD... though you might have nown me by a different name..

Have you played in Theogenesis? I'm writing a Theogenesis book, nowadays.

yes i have. SO IT IS YOU!!!! XD man i kinda miss the game that never got to be fully played.

Who were you, then?

And yes, I know. Theogenesis is great fun but also quite a bit of work for the GM. I'll be running a new game once the book is in the hands of readers or is summarily rejected by every publisher in the United State of America.

i dont know... i might have gone by Istandontilous or something similar or who knows what.. but i remember discussing murdering the furry bastards of the world XD in ooc

Oh, so did you play in Theogenis: Infinity or Theogenesis: Reboot? I recognize that name.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:36, Sat 27 Apr 2013.

XD yes i did... i remember we discussed at long length how much i wanted the merits dead even though i knew little of them then we ended up deciding to take verse the universe together XD

Merits are a cross between a cat, a ferret, and an angry leprechaun, basically.

._. merits will all die by my hand XD

I think you can understand why it makes sense that they follow a God of Vengeance.

OMg i have the worst luck

At the prerelease today i got no card synergy and had to scrape together a Orzov/Selesnia/Golgari from my uncommans, Ended up coming 30th out of 62.

The rares i drew were

Jarad's Orders http://magiccards.info/rtr/en/175.html
Council of the absolute http://magiccards.info/dgm/en/62.html
Lavinia of the tenth http://magiccards.info/dgm/en/80.html
Boros Battleshaper http://magiccards.info/dgm/en/58.html
Biovisionary http://magiccards.info/gtc/en/146.html

and the Orzov Guild leader (the protection from creatures guy) which someone has stolen from me.

I hate it when that happens. at least i got to see her in play once in one game.

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on a more positive note a friend of mine went that had never played in sealed before. He lost his first three rounds. I found out he was running 70 cards, so i went through and ditched a load of them for him to thin his deck out and he then won his next three matches coming just below me. So made a new magic player happy and got a free donut in the process

Anyone up for an Emperor Game?

I'm up for anything.

Well, I'll be locking in the players that have already volunteered for the Archenemy game.

All you who DARED to step up and Challenge the MunchKING, prepare to meet your fate in Room 13.

ALl the rest of you, hope that they win, lest this realm be turned into yet another fiefdom of the MunchKING's!!

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

I'm enjoying the fact that the Archenemy game is taking place on the thirteenth table.

Unlucky, yes, but for who?

I got into Magic for the beautiful art and stayed for the rewarding creative outlet of deckbuilding. I'm not about to leave my darling Knights without their illustrious illustrations! I tested out this deck half a year ago and consistently won in 1v1; this is the version I made to be more suitable for multiplayer + cheaper. So far I've traded for the necessary playset of Knight Exemplar and am working on getting the Students of Warfare and Kithkin. Not many people cart those around!

In most games, I voluntarily play with my hand revealed and with cards' text facing my opponent, not me. Besides being a show of bravado, providing that much additional information tends to cause confusion, giving my opponent plenty of room to makes mistakes. Since my decks typically aren't very interactive, I've yet to suffer any disadvantage.

I totally did that on purpose.



Maybe I should do that too...



Ha! You show ME your hand and I'll take every advantage of it I can...

You'll NEED every advantage to have a chance against the might of chivalry!

The Schemes I have set forth in my planning will allow me to defeat you with minimal effort!!

Still, I am not The MunchKING for nothing!! Give me any weakness you have and I will exploit it ruthlessly!!

I don't know. The satisfaction of giving your opponent additional advantages and still winning handily satisfies me in a deep way.

Try me!! You shall get no satisfaction this day!!


(mostly because this day's got like 25 minutes left, and your team is still down two people of having the first turn done. :P )

Indeed.

I recently found a neat little artifact called Ring of Kalonia. Two to drop, one to equip; equipped creature has trample, and on your upkeep give equipped creature a +1/+1 counter if it's green.

It's a neat little helper that other will be hesitant to waste removal on. It's nice at any part of the game; early on the trample isn't important, but the +1/+1 every turn starts counting up, and later on it helps your big fatties get their hits in. And since it makes a creature fat by itself, you can leave it be and it'll do it's thing just fine.

It's a card I'd never be sad to draw in an aggressive green ramp deck. Especially nice with a Sacred Wolf, Predator Ooze, or Lumberknot.

It's not Rancor, but holding it up to Rancor is like comparing all burn spells to Lightning Bolt.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:02, Sun 28 Apr 2013.

Well, my Dad finally moved on. I'm about to attend the funeral.  Then perhaps some semblance of normalcy will return to my play.

http://www.schugar.com/obituaries?id=319

My condolences to you Jeff...  Hope the funeral goes well.

Oh yeah, they have one of those for every color. The computer LOVES them on Magic Gathering of the Planeswalkers 2013, or whatever it's called.



I'd kill it fast (or whoever you attach it to), I've seen the computer grind that thing RIGHT up if you don't have someone tough to take it down.



Isn't it better than Rancor, as Rancor only gives you +2/+0, and trample? Thus if your creature survives 2 turns he's already 2 toughness better than Rancor. If he survives any longer he's even higher.

Or you could play "Pass it around" in a way you can't do with Rancor while the creature lives.

I'm sorry Jeff.

I am sorry for your loss Jeff. I hope everything works itself out in the end, for you though.

Sorry for your loss Jeff

Oh shit. Death. A dark cloud lingers over your house; may it pass in time, Jeff.

Rancor doesn't die to removal.

T1: Forest, tap for G, Llanowar Elf.
T2: Forest, tap For G, Rancor on Elf, 3/1 Trample punching you in the face. Oh, you kill the Elf? Rancor returns to my hand. Oh, you kill the Rancor? Rancor returns to my hand, I play it down in Main Phase 2 (if you were smart enough to destroy after I attacked). If you kill the Elf before I attack, then I tap for G in response and have a mana floating, perhaps to play down another elf.
T3: Forest, tap out for Predator Ooze. if you've killed my elf, then I have Rancor in hand and unless you answer my Indestructible ooze you're in for a bad time next turn. If you haven't dealt with my Elf, then a 3/1 trample is coming at you. If you kill it, I get my rancor back, which I'll gladly drop on the Predator Ooze. If you kill it before I declare it as an attacker, then I tap for G in response and play down the Rancor.

Compared to:

T1: Forest, Elf.
T2: Forest, tap lands and Elf for Ring, equipped to Elf. You kill the elf? I'm out of mana and have the Ring on the field sitting pretty. You kill the ring? I have a tapped elf sitting pretty.
T3: I have 2/2 Elf with Trample, assuming you haven't killed it or the ring yet. I toss down a Predator Ooze and tap the Elf to equip it to the Ooze. Now I have a 2/2 Elf and my Ooze is going be swinging in 3/3 trample; but on an Indestructible creature, I'd prefer to have a 4/2 trample (Rancor). The Ring is still vulnerable to removal.

Rancor is a bitch to deal with because it's G to play and so hard to get rid of, and gives the trample and the boost the turn it's dropped. I can make ANY creature scary for G.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:46, Sun 28 Apr 2013.

Well yeah, but the ring can be passed around WITHOUT killing off your elf first was my point about THAT.

Got to love Path to exile. Exiles the card and everything attached to it lol.

From the Comprehensive Rules:

303.4c If an Aura is enchanting an illegal object or player as defined by its enchant ability and other applicable effects, the object it was attached to no longer exists, or the player it was attached to has left the game, the Aura is put into its owner’s graveyard. (This is a state-based action. See rule 704.)

Guess i missed that little piece.

Erase http://magiccards.info/m13/en/13.html

Would work nicely on rancor.

Max is right, against the right deck that would be a pain to deal with.

I decided to go look for a card that would exile a creature and all auras attached to it. These cards are what I found:



All of these cards can exile the creature and all auras attached to it, but all also have a second clause that returns the creature and all auras attached to it under a certain condition, along with all counters (except for Flickerform; it doesn't return the counters.)

Interesting set of cards.



It's no coincidence they were reprinted in same set.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:01, Sun 28 Apr 2013.

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Check out my spreadsheet - downloadable from: http://www.matthew.fenn.dsl.pi.../Downloads/index.htm

Out of interest anyone fincy playing EDH.

Then also out of interest anyone want to play EDH with the Plancase cards.

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I put together a virtual EDH deck is all and i'm eager to try it out. may even Build it In real life ifi can get my hands on a Sol ring and some of the Plansewalkers.

There is an EDH game about to restart on T8 if the others don't mind you joining in...

That would be awesome if peole don;t mind

Well, I have no objection...  :-)

702.77a Persist is a triggered ability. “Persist” means “When this permanent is put into a graveyard
 from the battlefield, if it had no -1/-1 counters on it, return it to the battlefield under its owner’s
 control with a -1/-1 counter on it.”

Have a question regarding the combination of Woodfall Primus (http://magiccards.info/shm/en/135.html) and Melira, Sylvok Outcast (http://magiccards.info/nph/en/115.html). My question is thus: Would Meliras' effect prevent the Persist from Woodfall Primus from activating?

Specifically, the Persist from activating.

No. This is a known combination. Putting the counter on isn't paying a cost - it's part of an effect - so it resolves like this:

1. Woodfall Primus has no -1/-1 counters on it.
2. It is sent to the graveyard. Persist triggers.
3. The creature is returned to the battlefield.
4. Persist attempts to place a -1/-1 counter on the creature, but cannot do so because of Melira, Sylvok Outcast's continuous effect. Woodfall Primus enters the battlefield without any counters on it.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:03, Wed 01 May 2013.

so it is basically an undying creature with that combo.

Nah undying wouldn't  bounce back more than once. :P

By undying i mean that as long as i have Melira, Sylvok Outcast in play there will be no -1/-1 counters placed on it so it continues to come back from the grave.

It's a weeble-wobble.

"Weebles wobble but they don't fall down!"

I was making a joke because Undying is a keyword now...

However, if a creature were to have both Undying and Persist, it would be a similar combo.

For example, if you were to use non-human persist creatures with Mikaeus, the Unhallowed.

If it has both a +1/+1 counter and a -1/-1 counter it takes them both off, right?

Yep, they cancel each other out as a state-based action.

Although interesting thing:

If a creature is a 0/0 germ with 3 +1/+1 counters on it and Persist, if an effect places three -1/-1 counters on the creature, then it will go to the graveyard and persist will NOT trigger, because the 'go to the graveyard because 0 toughness' state-based action will resolve before the '+1/+1 and -1/-1 counters negate each other' state-based action does, so when it goes to the graveyard it DID have a -1/-1 counter on it.

Yay, rules lore.

Hey Jeff,

Any chance you can rename table 8 to

T8: EDH - Push, Matthew, Red, Munch, Zerda

could you please?

Alright, I've got a question.

Legendary means you can't have any other permanents with that name right?

SO I was reading Genju of the Realm
http://magiccards.info/bok/en/151.html

And it's an enchant land, that has the power to turn a land into a LEGENDARY Spirit creature.

does that mean that if I use it on, say... a Forest, that I couldn't have any other Forests in play, or they would all die to the Legendary Rule? Or am I missing some detail?

Unfortunately, certain rulings and cards don't work well together, or sometimes at all.

Though what you've found certainly looks flawed - time to make a deck without basic land ;)

Or at least only use it on a non-basic land...


Edit, or I could use it t o kill all my opponents lands if they're the same name!

:D

Actually, not quite right...

704.5k If two or more legendary permanents with the same name are on the battlefield, all are put into their owners’ graveyards. This is called the “legend rule.” If only one of those permanents is legendary, this rule doesn’t apply.

Your right! It's right there in the rules.

Teach me to ask questions before I look up the Rules.

Yeah, I saw that one. Awesome isn't it?

4 Brothers Yamikaze, I think yes.

4 Mirror Breakers?

4 Praetors of choice?

FREAKISHLY awesome.

I wish Mirror Gallery was Legendary, just because it'd be amusing.

I once managed to get Mirror Gallery out in a game when I already had the Sword, Helm and Shield of Kaldra out...

Helm of Kaldra has:  "{1}: If you control Equipment named Helm of Kaldra, Sword of Kaldra, and Shield of Kaldra, put a legendary 4/4 colorless Avatar creature token named Kaldra onto the battlefield and attach those Equipment to it."

1 mana to create a new 4/4 critter? Yeehah!  I was pumping them out like nobody's business :-)

9/9 Indestructible Trample Haste First-Strike with "Whenever this creature deals damage to a creature, exile it."

Cost: 11 Mana . .  unless you run Kor :P

But the last one would be the only one with the Equipment attached to it.

You only need one.

Got a question regarding tribal instant - Shapeshifter: it is considered every creature type at all times so would it trigger an ability for Allies such as Bala Ged Thief?

"Whenever Bala Ged Thief or another Ally enters the battlefield under your control..."

Instants do not technically enter the battlefield under your control. I do not think that would trigger it, technically.

During a EDH game, if you exile the commander with Admonition Angel, what happens?

Admonition Angel - (Angel , 6/6, 3WWW (6)
Flying
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, you may exile target nonland permanent other than Admonition Angel.
When Admonition Angel leaves the battlefield, return all cards exiled with it to the battlefield under their owners' control.)
[http://magiccards.info/wwk/en/1.html]

Commander rules say if a Commander would be exiled, it may be put in the command zone instead.

*looks up rules*

rule 903.12

As it wasn't actually Exiled, but went to the command zone, I would assume it doesn't come back if you kill the AA.

Whenever your Commander is exiled, it returns to your Command Zone.  If your strategy involved exiling your Commander, I suppose you can ELECT TO LEAVE YOUR OWN COMMANDER IN EXILE, although its as "out-of-play" in the Command Zone as it is in exile.

In reply to Jeff (msg # 272):

I suppose if he's really expensive, and you have some kind of cheap creature-kill to get rid of the AA, it would be cheaper to send him to the Exile Zone.

No, I was just trying to figure out if exiling someone else's commander with an effect that returns the commander at a later time (when the card that exiled it leaves play) would put it to where they couldn't bring it back until said card was removed.

My guess would be "no" as it doesn't actually go to the Exile Zone, but if anyone can find a reference in the rules, I'll totally take that instead.

If a commander would be exiled, or placed into the graveyard, you may instead return your commander to commander zone.

If you leave your commander in exile (exiled by Admonition Angel) then when Admonition Angel leaves play, your commander will be returned. If you elect to move your commander to the Commander Zone, it will have changed zones since the effect came into play, so nothing will happen when Admonition Angel leaves play (since it no longer has a target).

The best way to mess with someone's commander is to force them to shuffle it into their library, or put it on the bottom of their library. They can't return their commander to the commander zone from their library.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:16, Tue 07 May 2013.

Hey!  How come nobody mentioned the new set Dragon's Maze had been released?!

I need to update my spreadsheet with the new cards!!! - I notice there have been some legality revisions as well for older cards!

yeah they did that coz basically they re-printed a banned card wioth a new name. thought everyone knew dragons maze was out now. i love some of hte cards in it.

So, hypothetically, if you were on a team, can you legally attack your team mate if it would be in some way beneficial for you to do so? Like a creature that powers up the more it blocks or something? Or you want to give your ally some life any he has a wall of hope or something?

In reply to matthewfenn (msg # 277):

Oh, Matthew, Dragon's Maze is out.

Also when I do a "Copy initial draft to clipboard"  It doesn't put the Planeswalkers play area in the initial board state.

Another question. I've searched the rules for this one and I'm not really sure how it works.

If I take control of an opponent's creature in some sort of permanent way, and then it dies, does it go to my graveyard (because it was a creature under my control when it died), or my opponent's (because he's the owner of the card)?

In reply to LAGO (msg # 280):

When i use it it only creates what would be there turn one so anything just played a forest or a creature it won;t put that down so i do it manually thought that was the point of it thogh to create the deck and life info.

Doesn't work at all for EDH though but i think i'm doing something wrong.

A creature will always go to it's owner's graveyard.

The attack ability of creatures can only be used against opponents.

So a friend of mine goes to play magic with some people who have just started magic. He is like me and is at competative level rather than kitchen top or casual level so he keeps beating them hands down.

I went along to play and i see why they are all at kitchen table level. Most decks don;t include removal and are big creature stomp rargh. and their play style doesnt account for half the things i consider when playing.

so they got fed up with playing him (and i think it might get theat way with me soon) just because they have no hope of beating him at all.

He was approached to run a quick seminar on how to play magic better.

He wants my help He is handleing deck construction and he wants me to handle play advice. But the only rule i can think of that new players would understand is.

READ THE CARDS!!!!!!! (this is a very very important rule that so many people miss)

Any other new player advice that you think they would find helpfull. So far my entire list is as follows.

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Read the cards
What the steps are and what happens in them
The best moments to play cards and activate abilities
Never over commit your resources.
Utility beats Power
Strategic holding of cards
How to counter on resolution
What the stack is and how to use it to your advantage.
What player Priority is and how to use it.
and Read the cards!!!


Seriosly the read the cards one is important the next time i see a sorcery cast as an instant i might scream at them. Once or twice is ok but 3/4 times a match even after corrected is a bit far.

Hi guys - apologies for absence over last 48 hours - got stuck into updating the database with the new cards and then shafted by work - hope to post again in various games tomorrow morning (if not before).  Again, apologies for unscheduled absence and all those who are waiting on me!

Anybody up for a game of two headed giant?

In reply to PushBarToOpen (msg # 284):

Mana base - as in proper proportions for multicolored decks.  Also how much mana to put in a deck in general.

I'd be up for two headed giant, any particular rules for it (meaning special past just the normal two-headed giant rules, like EDH THG, classic/standard/modern/etc).

You know that i was ready for one. But Lago and i are on the same team.

In reply to red2wedge (msg # 288):

I think Matthew has created a template to use and we post as teams so a lot of communication is done over pm.

Other than that I think the general consensus is no slivers.

Think you can get a partner red2wedge?

I would partner with Wedge. But i would like to know which format you plan on running two headed gian in? or will any format do?

I only ask as all my decks are Modern.
This message was last edited by the player at 08:01, Thu 09 May 2013.

Better than mine, most of mine are Legacy, Extended or Classic, but that's how my cards are as well.

OK so if you want i will partner up with you for two headed giant.

also i can understand legacy and classic but you do know that all extended decks are also modern decks (banned list condidering)

They have too many new formats. I remember when there was only 1, I know, I'm dating myself there, but I started around the time Legends was out. I'd be good to have you as partner.

ok sounds like we are sorted then

Just so we're clear no deck restrictions?

i would say Legacy banned list at the minimum. just to sto the truly broken things.

but if you want i will play the deck that wins the game in your opponants turn 1 upkeep ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 12:41, Thu 09 May 2013.

Sorry, I spoke incorrectly.  What I meant was no modern deck restriction?

Now I'm a little intimidated.  :p

What is the 1 turn kill deck?

you need 4 cards in your opening hand and to play seccond

Assuming you play secconf you can put intoplay Gemstone caverns for free http://magiccards.info/query?q...p;v=card&s=cname

You then discard Simian Spirit Guide http://magiccards.info/pc/en/122.html or Elvish spirit guide http://magiccards.info/query?q...p;v=card&s=cname for 1 mana and tap the Gemstone caverns for U

You then play Flash http://magiccards.info/6e/en/67.html and put a protean hulk http://magiccards.info/query?q...p;v=card&s=cname on the field

You can't pay the required cost so it dies.

When it dies you put into play 4 Disciple of the vaults http://magiccards.info/query?q...p;v=card&s=cname 1 archbound raviger http://magiccards.info/ds/en/100.html and 4 ornithopters http://magiccards.info/query?q...p;v=card&s=cname

You sac the 4 ornithopters to archbound raviger then sac arbound ravager to its self

this means 5 artifacts have hit the graveyard. so each disciple of the vault deals 5 damage for a total of 20 damage before your opponant has leaft their upkeep step.

I personally like the deck that puts 20+ turns on the stack before your opponent even gets to take his first. Of course, it is illegal in everything but pure freeform. (4x several P9's, total deck cost would be about $20,000.) That combo would beat it, and there are a few other things that would beat it, but that deck has been banned from nearly every table back when cockatrice and its predecessor were still active.

My knowledge level suddenly feels very inadequate.  Nevertheless Zerda and I will happily take you both on.  If you guys want go ahead and grab a table.  I'll be able to post in game later this evening.

My favorate ever wy to win the game though not seen a deck built around it yet as it only works in casual games not any sanctioned events

With Spawnsire of ulamog on the field http://magiccards.info/roe/en/11.html

opay its 20mana ability to put 300 Emrakul's on the field from your collection. each one is destroyed from legend rule and shuffled into your library. then play battle of wits

Correct.  In fact, if you download the new version I uploaded this evening, you'll find a button on the Instructions tab that shows/hides the THG template tab.

Ok i uptdated to 8.8 but now the copy to clipboad optaion has gone???

And now its back.. thats odd.

The copy to clipboard function is enabled when the spreadsheet opens, and disabled when the spreadsheet closed.  If you open two copies of the spreadsheet, and then close one of them, then it will disable the copy to clipboard function even though the other spreadsheet is still open.  Just closing and then reopening the spreadsheet will bring it back.

out of interest why have you made all the dragon's maze cards illegal in modern?

I was following the legality as shown on magiccards.info website:

http://magiccards.info/query?q...p;v=list&s=cname

According to that - only 13 of the Dragon's Maze cards are legal in Modern.

Looking at a random Dragon's Maze card on Gatherer though, I see that the legality is actually showing as legal in Modern and Commander...  I'll send a note to the owner of magiccards.info and see if he can update his records...
This message was last edited by the player at 10:45, Fri 10 May 2013.

basically i don;t think they have updated since the realeae of dragons maze. all the cards listed there are re-prints and so would be legal before its release.

>:-/

I've just been revisiting the method by which I calculate legality.  Thought I'd do it in a different way using the data found here on the official Wizards web-site: http://www.wizards.com/Magic/T...dge/resources/banned, basing the legality for Standard, Modern, Extended, Legacy, Vintage, Classic and Commander on the lists of sets and banned/restricted cards listed there...

Turns out to be not a very foolproof system they have!!!!

For example, take Abbey Matron http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pa...px?multiverseid=3012

According to the Gatherer website, it says:


Implying that those are the only formats it is legal in.

Fair enough you might say, after all, Homelands is a set that isn't on the legal list for Standard, Modern or Extended.

HOWEVER, if you look at the definition of Classic Legality, it basically says:


That implies to me that all cards APART from the ones on the quoted list should be legal in Classic.  Technically, that implies the Unglued/Unhinged/Happy Holidays and Celebration cards should also be legal in Classic as well, but clearly they aren't designed to be, so I've excluded those.  But I can't see any reason why this card, and a whole bunch of others that look from the "rules" like they should be legal in Classic end up show on the Gatherer as NOT legal in Classic.

As mentioned in a earlier message above, I currently take the legality of my cards from magiccards.info - a somewhat laborious task, doing about 53 separate searches to return long lists of cards legal/banned/restricted in each format.  And if magiccards.info has the wrong data in it - as has happened at least a couple of times that I've been aware of, then it screws my data too.

SO - suggestions folks - should I stick with original method?  And just manually correct stuff if I hear it is wrong like most of the Dragon's Maze cards showing as illegal in Modern for example, OR, should I just ignore the discrepancies between individual cards on Gatherer and what the legality the Wizard's website "rules" implies and use the new method?

Erm they arnt legal in classic because thry dont exist on magic online. Quire a few of the old sets  came out befotre magic online was released and they haven't refeleased them due to lack of interest

Maybe I should just forget trying to figure out the legality for Classic then?

as to not clutter up the game thread anymre i have moved this discussion here from the EDH log.

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yes this is all true and what i allready knew i was using it as an example as its one that a lot of players do know.

You can't tap something if its allready attacking to stop it. Similarly you can't tap a creature to stop it from using an ability if it has allready been declared as using it.

either way Lets stop this and move on.

Hi everyone, just joined, kinda looking for a game but someone who's slightly patient as i've not quite got all the format thingy memorised, got the excel sheet and got two decks i would like to try out, (neither are type two legal, but they were in their day, very few modifications have gone into them since i was unable to play as of 6 years ago, (mirodin and the oriental one i can't remember)

so if anyone is up for a game let me know

Sure, I'd be glad to have another game. Find a table, and I'll concede the first turn to you, if you wish.

Thanks red, i think table 10 is avaliable but i don't know the protocal in booking it

Welcome Kami - just start posting and the table is considered booked...  Jeff will update the table name as and when he gets a chance.

Table 10 is yours.  First come, first serve.  I try to make sure that there are always several unused tables available.

Damm was going to offer you a match but looks like i was beaten to it.

hey sweety i've got my artifact deck to play with if your ok with that find a table i'm up for it

BTW - for those I'm playing with - tomorrow I'm going to be off-line all day...  so probably no update till Thursday.

hmmm artifacts that could be tricky i like the sound of that I beliee table 20 is free

See you there

Some one was commenting on a 162 card deck in the 2hg game, back when i first started to play there were a tournament deck of 250 cards (prismatic) before online listing and all that those were a pain in the arse to build. Mind you that was back when WoftC were paying their staff in Black Lotus's lol

Yeah, I was interested in seeing the deck list on it. I like seeing decks that don't fit the common image. Most of my decks are a little over large, by most people's standards (smallest I play normally is about 75, and quite a few at the 90+ mark). But my deck building style is different from most people.

even tornement i used to go over 45 all the time, same with deck we are playing with was 72 cards but i took out a few things here and there (hence you only eradicated 3 phantom warriors rather than 4)

I almost always go for the 60 card minimum size when I create my decks, though I have a few odd ones here and there that are more.



45?  Surely 60 is the minimum size deck you can run in tournaments?  Unless it is draft.

I think I only have one deck below 100 and it's a joke-deck.

I always think they have more character (big decks), and I don't play necessarily to win. I play to have fun doing something interesting. Most of my RL decks slow the game down tremendously, and make a game go for hours while I toy around with them. They don't win more than 60-65% of games, but I have fun losing, even. My white lifegain deck habitually gains life in the several million life (my highest was about 19,000,000,000,000+) and ended in a draw. I didn't have to draw (Island Sanctuary), they had a platinum angel in play. He couldn't die, and he couldn't do enough damage to me or kill me any other way. I would have kept gaining life exponentially (True Conviction, Augury Adept, Steel of the Godhead, 2x Celestial Mantle), while he could do nothing (out of cards in deck).

45 is standard tournament draft size trying to go bigger than that is so hard since you get 3 blisters (15 cards x 3 = 45) and one (60 card tournament pack).... 105 cards
even sometimes getting 45 cards to work can be a bugger

Hmmm just thinking would anyone be willing to play a tournament here? we choose a block, and we roll 7 Rares, 18 Uncommon, and 80 commons (as many basic land cards as you want ofc)

I actually had a 62 card tournament, but my draws were kinda lacking in white and blue, I think, and just about everything worked together so well. And with 2 tutor cards (Rune-scar Demon and Diabolic Tutor) and everyone trying mill, it worked to my benefit.

Diabolic Tutor... oh god i prayed for that card every bloody pack... after two boxes (ie 100 blisters) i ended up with.... 1 :( :( :(

I suppose this way is a nicer way of playing but it lacks that (search for card on a budget wonder if we could ask GM to set up a card folder room... Ie we each get a few blisters from latest set build decks from it and trade and swap... bit like the online mtg) although i'm the new girl here and shouldn't be making suggestions like that.

you are all mad ;)

Stick to 60 at all costs unless you are running something that requires more. Otherwise you have no hope of beating a finly tuned deck.

the game gets very boring very quickly when you loose every match.

ok 60 card min... but if your deck works well with more run it, my artifact deck run extremly well with walking archive because of the insane carddraw i used to end up with, (7 card a turn! some times won against my opponent by milling them by accident)

Oh, that reminds me of my enchantment deck, accidently milling the opponent, that is.

hah. one (small) benefit to a 400 card deck. You aren't milling that one to death quickly or easily.

*note: I WAY streamlined that 400 card deck, but it was pretty amusing. It was like 50 ways to pull a Battle of Wits.*

I had that enchantment deck mill a player for 32 cards, 5 times in one turn, so 160 cards. (And it is not designed to kill via mill.)

Had 4x Verduran Enchantress, 2x Recycle, 2x Mesa Enchantress, 4x Jace's Erasure, 2x Opalesence, 2x Ascetesism, 2x Raking Canopy, Island Sanctuary, and Leyline of Sanctity.

They couldn't target me, they couldn't attack me, they couldn't target anything I had, and I had counterspells for any globals. Whenever I played an enchantment, I drew 8 cards, and they milled 4x that. I got to cycle my cards back in with Elixir of Immortality. (This was pretty much the ultimate in perfect hands, that started that game, though.)

can someone tell me why the excel sheet thinks all my decks are 32 cards?

Check to see if you've got any line breaks in your deck list

P.s. just designing a new deck if anyone wants to play

Nope no line breaks

its interesting to note however that some lands are CMC 0 and others have no CMC

Also i have just seen a deck idea for a 40+ land deck i want to try it out to see if it actually works. If not it looks like a fun idea anyway. after our game we  can switch if you want.
This message was last edited by the player at 09:57, Wed 22 May 2013.

I remember days when people made all land decks. I might try to make one of those with new lands. (Coolest thing about that, is lands can't be countered.)

how do you in with all land decks???

Valekut is the only way i can think of.

I also like the idea i have seen for a 1 land deck but that will never work.

You have 1 land its a Mountain. Use other methods of mana generation for Goblin Charblencher. then use them again to activate it and pray that the mountain isn't in the top 10 cards.

That being said is anyone up for playing a few rounds of sealed.

I recon if we can get 4 people up for it we could go for a tornement style game if not then just one other for a quick sealed one on one would be nice.

As far as booster packs go i'm thinking we go for a mix of Ravnica, City of Guilds, Guildpact, Discention, Return to ravnica, Gatecrash, Dragons Maze.

Or do the same with the Mirrodin and Scars blocks.

Ignore me apparently this can;t be done with the link set out so far.

Quick question are we allowing the use of artifact lands? Just know they were banned ages ago.

The ones that arnt on the banned list sure

Actually thought all the ones in the mirodin set were banned

I'm not sure on that, but they are legal in many formats now. I'm using some in my Tree of Redemption deck.

They are only legal in pauper and EDH. However darksteel teactor is legal in all settings I believe

you mean tower? right? Reactor is a artifact... used it in my modular at one point

You good to go with new hand you won that one

Hmmm.... 32 is the number of lines on the blank template - so it is obviously getting the data from there...  Where is it specifically stating you have 32 cards in the deck?  Presumably on each of the Table sheets in cell F3 yes?  Check the formula there - I'm guessing it reads something like:  ="Cards left in "&A2&" (A "&BlankDeck!B2&" card deck)"

It should of course NOT have BlankDeck replaced by the name of the tab that actually contains your deck...  Has this happened on every table/deck you've created?



Yeah - there are some inconsistencies in the way in which land is shown in the database - I will attempt to make that more consistent in the next version.

its not a major hastle just it does it whenever i create an initial post.

anyone ever heard/seen a 4th turn Eldrazi drop? OTHER then in my thread with Jeff.

A buddy of mine likes a combo that ends up looking very similar to this ...

Turn 1 - 3 drop 3 lands one of them must be an island.

Turn 3 then progresses like this:

Tap 2U to play Show and Tell http://magiccards.info/us/en/96.html

Play Omniscience http://magiccards.info/m13/en/63.html via Show and Tell

Play Emrakul, The Aeons Torn http://magiccards.info/roe/en/4.html via Omniscience.

That's Game.

We banned that deck the second time he brought it.

My friend had an Eldrazi deck that normally got one of the lower cost Eldrazi (not the tiny, but the legendary one's with cost over 10) on turn 4. On a perfect draw, he could get Emrakul out (and actually pay the 15, not cheap it out) on turn 5. Of course, that deck is not technically legal in any of the formats except freeform.

So it displays correctly on the sheet in F3?  But the Initial Post field pulls it from the BlankDeck.  Does it do it on ALL your tables?

FYI a very good deck for competitions just boring as heck to play (feel free to dump any of the signets that don't pull in R mana in favor of those that do to bring it down to 60 cards) Normally your looking at a five turn win, maybe six if you get mana screwed.

Blaze
Blaze
Blaze
Blaze
Fireball
Fireball
Fireball
Fireball
Iron Myr
Iron Myr
Iron Myr
Iron Myr
Azorius Signet
Azorius Signet
Azorius Signet
Azorius Signet
Rakdos Signet
Rakdos Signet
Rakdos Signet
Rakdos Signet
Copper Myr
Copper Myr
Copper Myr
Copper Myr
Silver Myr
Silver Myr
Silver Myr
Silver Myr
Gruul Signet
Gruul Signet
Gruul Signet
Gruul Signet
Izzet Signet
Izzet Signet
Izzet Signet
Izzet Signet
myr incubator
myr incubator
myr incubator
myr incubator
Krark-Clan Ironworks
Krark-Clan Ironworks
Krark-Clan Ironworks
Krark-Clan Ironworks
Ursa's Mine
Ursa's Mine
Ursa's Mine
Ursa's Mine
Ursa's Tower
Ursa's Tower
Ursa's Tower
Ursa's Tower
Ursa's Powerplant
Ursa's Powerplant
Ursa's Powerplant
Ursa's Powerplant
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain
Mountain

In reply to matthewfenn (msg # 356):

it does it whenever i create an inital post for all my decks.

Quick question to everyone what legality are we generally playing here? obviously not type 1 or extended but are we playing vintage or legacy?

whatever people agree too really. i try and stick to modern as it has all the fun of a large card pool without the extremly broken cards.

*shrug* Unless I work some specific ruleset out in advance, I tend to go with whatever cards I think are cool.