Unwitty banter.

Are we still within 9 minutes of when I cast True Seeing?

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 2):

That also answers a question Mabrook has been pondering. :p

It will have been about 10 minutes since it was cast.

10:46, Today: Relwyk rolled 18 using 1d20+4. knowledge Nature.
10:46, Today: Relwyk rolled 27 using 1d20+15. Knowledge Arcana.

What is a Kruthik? Can I polymorph into one?

Kruthik are the medium sized bugs. The gargantuan bug was a "tanker class" of that bug monster.

They have four legs, two stabbing sword like claws and very hard exoskelton.

Your party, before meeting back up, has only seen dead ones.

This is the bug monster that the dwarves were taking apart and your new dagger is made from.

Sorry gang, was sick all day and have killer migraines.

Will update and post tomorrow I swear

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 7):

Get well soon. We love you!

One of these days, gotta pick up another metamagic Rod. Too damn useful for Group Buffing spells.

*Holds rod possesively and hisses* MINES! ITS MINES!

I can make one.... I think. Pretty sure I can, but I probably can't make the one we all want...

Wanted Extend, to double duration of lvls 1-3 spells.

Either extend, quicken, or enlarge would help me lay down the buffs

Warning: We are moving this weekend, not that weekends are normal frequency on RPOL. But most likely won't be available.

Adult life sucks.

Need to find a way to be gainfully employed as a DM.

Want to learn Elation? Good short-term group buff. And since bonuses to STR and DEX are Morale-based, they stack with regular enhancements.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 15):

Did the lizard lady offer gnomenip? Karza keeps his personal. Stack, but if she wants to share.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 14):

Working on it mon freir..... one day you will be my Full Time DM! MUAHAHAHAHA!

And as for Elation.... I'm not that kind of caste. :p At least... this guy isn't. I THINK I have a half-dragon sorcerer that's a similar style build as you... if my guess is correct. Could be way off though :p

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 17):

Get Mabrooks rich quick scheme = paid services to keep him entertained.

If you wanna sell your mind for money go ahead, sure the wife won't mind.

In reply to Karza (msg # 18):

The dm has poo-poo my Mcguivery.. so 8th law of dnd.

When the rogue can't do it the wizard can.

Rule 3 is: its ok fighter, the wizard did it.

:p I swear, it wasn't me. :p

Just finished days of hideous traveling. Too awkward to post properly,but can I get a bit closer to a couple of these areas and see if my touch sense picks them up as illusions (and maybe have a go at making a will save against them?)

I'll be able to post this evening

Toobhard to post where I am. I'm moving tomorrow to get a decent WiFi
Can you NPC me until then?

Did I sense anything as per precious post?

Posting from phone which sucks!

Question for the DM!

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/ordersWrath.htm

Order's wrath is not on the normal Cleric spell list, but it is accessible via the Law Domain.  Since I do not have the law domain, does this mean I need to roll UMD to cast the spell from the tablet?

In reply to Faran (msg # 23):

It's a divine spell, so you should be able to use it like a scroll... I believe just by touching the rune.

What's the most effective way to dispel illusions? Dispel Magic?

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 25):

Yes, like an area dispel effect.

Waiting for GM response before launching spell. Area Dispel only has 20' radius, you know.

I've got short legs(slow speed) so it'll take me time to make it to battle. In the meantime thing can and probably will change

Nice job, Balli. Can't wait to see THAT concentration check......

Nobody receives training in ignoring a shaft of wood and metal in their bodies... it tends to lead to death.

I'm sorry that I've been a bit rubbish posting. My tai Chi master is about to have a triple bypass operation, so I've traveled to Hong Kong to see him. Since he hasn't had it, and needs some distraction, we've just been training. So I've done 26-ish hours training in the last three days. Last night I slept for 12 hours... Something to do with being 50, and not 20 I think

I'm not really up to speed with what is happening so if I do something stupid, you have my apologies.

Can I use Silent Image to superimpose Dwarven faces on those I can see as actual dwarves? That way, I don't need to overcome another illusionist's magic.

You can, that wouldn't free them though from their compuslion.

True, but it might slow Korut from gutting them.

As long as you ID them for me, I won't lethally attack my kin.

But its going to get hairy when I have to start battle raging.

It sucks that I have to expend my magic to keep you from making a mistake, rather than attack the enemy.

Map updated?
This message was last edited by the player at 16:29, Tue 30 June 2015.

Brawn not brain. Battle rager rages as battle ragers will I guess.

map is updated, though you might need to refresh your browser.

Unless stated otherwise, everyone is still within the starting tunnel, which is again, up 50 feet from the floor at the orange line

I'm hungry. That is all.

Hate to ask it, but any chance of getting our own icons added to map as it gets updated?

You should be there, I'm using the rpol servers so in order to actually have a refreshed and updated map, you sometimes need to hard refresh the page (F5) on browser.

Unless you were referring to a shared map on say a google drive or something?

Actually, since my work transferred me, I should be able to post via Photobucket once more which will provide new images whenever I post it.

I did hit F5. No update.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 42):

Sometimes shift and refresh helps. Shortcut to clearing your cache.

Tried that too. Still no change.

Then try this ;)

https://drive.google.com/file/...ODQ/view?usp=sharing
This message was last edited by the player at 04:11, Wed 01 July 2015.

Thank you. THAT I can see.

good news, photobucket works at my new office. so i should have updated maps without need to refresh

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 47):

HUZZAH!

Also... Haste

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/haste.htm

Can I sense one sneaking around near the wizard with touchsense or scent?

ive kept your touchsense in mind, nothing sneaking around within the range or even scent.

I think that's good news!

Okay. Something's wrong. The Kobolds cry out in Draconic, yet I can't understand them???

Also, WHERE is the stairwell that #49 is headed for?
This message was last edited by the player at 14:24, Mon 06 July 2015.

The stairs are at the bottom left. They go up to the 50 foot ledge that circles part of the room.

It also leads to another tunnel on the western wall.

And ill fix your language.

Are we into another round yet? I have a bad habit in this game of not detecting 'new rounds' and double posting. So I'm trying to avoid that

I'm waiting for Bali to post... though i doubt his actions and mine would conflict.

The new round started, Jade: action was Vigor and to take an immediate action once attacked. You still have movements though

Haste: +1 AC, +1 attack, +30' move, +1 attack when doing a Full attack.

even with that my attacks dont hit lol

Have you tried rolling better? Muhahaha!

I rolled a 2 and a 3 lol. even with my +12 AB and the +1 from haste that's only 15 and 16 lol.

Rest of the enemies will act once the spells are resolved with mabrook

*sigh*

I am taking a move action north to end up next to the biggy. Basically if I don't I suspect it will attack the dwarves that are within its threatened area. I might be wrong, but I don't want to take the chance

So scared right now... so scared.

Bugs had to go before the parties actions

and the scene changed due to events of the mages battling

Im focused on whats infront of me atm. do u want me to reroll attacks and damage?

I'm really struggling with the map by the way. I really like it: without it this fight would be impossible. But I have no real idea which icon is Mabrook and which one is the wizard. I know the pictures of us are supposed to be self explanatory, but apart from Belroar and I (his armour is distinctive and my pink shape is just funny) I don't know who is who.

So before I post: which square is the wizard in? And if he is flying, how high is he?

The enemy caster is in BB-8. The great and amazing succubus is in AA-8

Thank you Oh Great And Amazing Succubus :)

Just... Relwyk is making the right call, but... it's annoying.

LOL

In reply to Talendil (msg # 70):

My, my, great sucubi. What long point ears you have.

My my great sucubi. What pink eyes you have.

My my great sucubi. What silky haiir you have.

Quick someone get a maniac lumberjack!.

I live to frustrate evil.

Mr illusionist can consider himself as frustrated as your succubi!

If he's actually dead and that wasn't an illusion. And if...

Did I ever mention I hate fighting illusionists....

Karza casts distraction.

AC is 21

I didn't read fully, but I may be triggering some readied actions unto myself?

A Robot, a Demon, an Angel, a Spellscale, and a Pink troll walk into a bar...

Doesn't sound right. Needs to use the rule of three...

Reminds me of the 'a man walked into a bar. He went 'ow'.

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It was an iron bar

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I'm just commenting on the eclectic gathering. We're basically a kids cartoon that's trying too damn hard, except we don't have a dinosaur yet.

As a half-elf, I feel way out of place, too normal.

DM?

Is figure in a magic circle a PC? Or an NPC?

I'm in an awkward position where I won't be posting for a couple of days. Sorry

Figure in Magic Circle/Succubus is PC

Seriously though. I've never had such an unwelcome welcome.

In reply to Figure in Magic Circle (msg # 85):

Hey... I tried. :p

I didn't know you were a PC. Sorry. But basically it's awkward if you want to play a soul sucking demon from hell.

Jade's reaction was good! I liked it.

Be glad I'm not playing a toon from a different game.... though I think that party has gotten used to the lights suddenly going out lol

Yeah, this was fantastic role playing!

There is so much going on, and the subtext is REALLY interesting. :D I love it!

And for what its worth, I had no idea she was a PC either. :p

Though aren't we being prejudice? Not all monsters are what their encounter monster kin are. Demon lives matter too.

Or is this a once a demon always a demon type thing?

This is apparently what I get for getting sick on Monday.  I will read up and try to post soon.

@figure
I'm really sorry if you reappear I am going to try and kill you. I am afraid I kill succubi on sight. I am extremely twitchy  and good at seeing through disguises, so I recommend that you don't turn up and I suggest you delete your last post until the GM sorts something out

As I said I think your character concept is incompatible with mine. I'm sorry about that, but that's the way it is.

Perhaps the GM will find a way to enforce we are together, but it would have to be a serious enforcement.

I'll post the 'I attack in a berserk frenzy post' if you want, but I don't really want to.

Mark of Justice is a spell that I have access to (but not prepared today) if we need to resort to that.

I don't trust magics. I trust that if it's a succubi I kill it. There are so many magics that can bypass other magics, and Succubi are mistress's of deception and evil. And suck souls

I'm sorry but soul sucking demons from the pits of hell are things that I kill on sight. If I fail to kill them, then I work out how to kill them, and kill them when I've got the means to do so. If it seems to have charmed all the over party members, that just makes it more difficult

As I said this is incompatible with my character concept unless the GM wields a big IC stick. I can currently think of no stick that is big enough for me.

I could deal with some evil characters. Easily an orgre or an orc. Maybe a even a drow. But a succubi is so far beyond the pale that it's not even funny.

Perhaps the GM is clever enough to make this work, but I doubt it

There may be a way for it to work to my advantage, but none of yours...
the succubus is infact hiding from sight at the moment (not even true seeing can see), not completely gone. But I think now is a good time for the party to talk amongst themselves since things have gone down hill for the land itself (Not just including the succubus incident)

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 96):

We have a golem slaying gnome and  golem in the party.

We have a demon binder mage in the party.

We have a Pelor cleric in the party.

We had a raksha in the party.

Need I continue, with how this party should consume it'self like a anti-matter reaction?

dont forget about the shadow smith =]

Well... I can try my hand at convincing you... I mean, my case is pretty compelling IC. :p

I have the trust of the entire party, including prophesied heroes like a Paladin and a powerful cleric of Pelor. Not exactly types that take kindly to evil creatures.

I have the trust of a Celestial figure known for not liking succubi and other evil creatures.

I have the trust of a powerful, Epic Level Hero of Legend.

I'm an obvious expert on magic and demons.

It might help if I point out that - unless the GM corrects me - it is not THAT unusual for creature's in this setting to have atypical alignments. So, IC, your character might reasonably conclude that this sort of thing is at least possible.

Also, you have an item which allows you to reliably check for evil, and the aforementioned Epic Level Hero of Legend has verified that this creature, however surprisingly, is not evil.


I had the Angel in front of everyone dispel any enchantments upon me... so I'm not under the thrall of the succubi, nor was there opportunity for me to be. Certainly the idea that it has charmed ALL of the party members INCLUDING the Epic Level Hero of Legend is less likely than that its got an atypical alignment.

An alignment that you have had the ability to verify, and could CERTAINLY at least verify to your satisfaction by consulting the Tao. After all, the Epic Level Hero of Legend can probably handle the Succubus. I'm just guessing, but that seems like its a good guess.

Last, but certainly not least, you were just warned to not do ANYTHING by a "known to you" Epic Level Hero of Legend... so unleashing any sort of action is probably a bad idea.

Now, I'm sure that even a reasonable person could find some of those things uncompelling - but all of them at once? Altogether?

I just cannot see how that's not crazier than trusting a succubus.

And... what Karza said. :p

Sorry I havent been posting as much, lot of flux in my world right at the moment.  None of it bad but its been more of a juggle than I thought.


That being said, I'm not sure what to make of this last encounter.  The build that I was given of Belroar would by all rights have me attacking the demon.  Its only my lack of time to think of the proper course of action that stopped me.

I think I covered off all of that in my IC description with you Mabrook

Let's go back to basics. This is a succubi. A soul sucking creature who among all the demons is infamous for deception and attempting to charm and befriend other creatures.

Let me quote some bits from various 'documents'



Your actions, and mostly irrational behaviour, made me utterly convinced you were charmed by the foul creature. I would hope that the death threats you uttered were not your normal conversational style.

Claims that 'my magical item' or 'magical spell' are infallible have no impact at all on me. There are many ways: Class Features, Magical Items, Spells ... to make it so that detections don't work. Similar arguments apply to the 'but I would dispel the charm'. I did actually ask you to do that dispelling but you didn't

I by the way am an expert on this matter too. I have +15 on knowledge planes. Which is the knowledge for dealing with outsiders. That's why I 'know' that succubi suck souls. And lie. And deceive. And that the more powerful ones get classes and items and spells that let them lie and deceive and manipulate better.

My actions IC were all without the knowledge that the succubi was a player.

Call me old fashioned but I am playing a 'goody' character. And there are two basic things that I won't adventure with. Undead. And Evil Outsiders. Of the Evil Outsiders, Succubi are at the top of the list that I won't play with as a good person. I did check that my alignment choices were compatible with the party before joining.

Could I be persuaded to metagame to ignore that. The answer is 'yes' if there was a sufficiently powerful reason. That reason would have to be such that we couldn't do it some other way. And even then it would be with the succubi trapped in a cage or something.

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I am surprised we have a Rakshaha as (if we are playing by the core rules as defined in the SRD) we would need to be at least level 14. A Raksaha has a level adjustment of +7 and MUST have 7 outsider levels, coming to a total of 14. It is a common error (and it is an error) to think that the outsider levels come 'free' with the level adjustment.

If Rakshaha were allowed with the outsider levels coming free...then I'd like to be one as well please. That would make me approximately 7 levels more powerful than I am. The Rakshaha comes with 7 levels of sorcerer, more skills, better saves, better to hits, loads of attributes.... all of which explain why you need to be level 14 to be one...

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@Belroar
Too right. We people that have a moral code that requires us to attack demons... well we attack demons.

Welp...The game broke.

The way that I justify all this is as follows:

Faran knows that Pelor has sent him on this quest.  When he first set out from Soly Pany Station, he was the least prepared to actually go adventuring.  Mabrook and Belroar (the only of the original party) have saved his life again and again, so naturally he trusts them with his life (though almost to a fault).  He also knows that Ata-Ri is most certainly on his side with the battle with Borx.

While Mabrook's summoning and binding of less than savory creatures unnerved him at first, he did realize that Mabrook was not in fact evil or using them towards evil ends.

The planes are also in upheaval since the star fell, and this is not the first time a non-evil demon has made themselves appear on this plane.  If Mabrook and Ata-Ri are both saying it's ok, then Faran will certainly listen to what they all have to say before doing anything.  And he does have spells to take matters into his own hands, which he can make sure to prepare each day.

Faran is also a "goody" character, who will lose his abilities should he stop being such.  I interpret that as going to any length to help others, even if they don't act in the dame "goody" fashion that he does.  He sees others more as opportunities to improve, but ultimately feels that a more passive approach is the best way to show others that his way is more "right"

Is it metagaming? Maybe a little, but meh says I.

I can't share that view.

I've had the discussion 'should a paladin be able to fight side by side with undead' and I'm afraid the answer is 'no'. This is just the same. I think I covered why that was in the above post.

If it's too awkward, I can stop playing the character and pull out of the game. But I can't play with a succubi. I know I'm repeating myself. Sorry

If this was the start of the game, I would adjust my character idea so that it is compatible with what the other people want to play. But this is a different situations. This is a person joining an existing group. If that was me then I would have to make a character that is compatible with that group. A succubi is not compatible with my character. Neither are other Evil Outsiders.

Again, I'll point out, the odds of ALL of that being true... that's pretty far-fetched. That's the point, one or two things, and I'm inclined to agree with you. Heck, we outed and killed two succubus with less preamble earlier in the game. But... ALL of that... that's just screaming "exception to the rule".

Thinking that DM is playing all of the character by the book - that's meta-gaming.

Having skill ranks is not the same as having knowledge... did you roll those skill ranks to come up with this information, or are you just skimming information from books that might have NOTHING to do with this setting? This is, while sharing many things that are familiar, a unique game world. The Kruthik and the dispelling creatures for example - those will not be found as is in any book.

Also... I didn't threaten anyone. YOU said, " "I should warn both of you that should you try casting a spell or activating an item until the creature is returned to its natural place of repose then I will be forced to assume that you are under its control. Please do not move away until we have dealt with it"

That is a threat.

"Do what I say, or else."

I'm guessing your held action wasn't to bake me a cake or offer me a funny caricature of the Angel and I in princess and prince outfits.

Now, seeing as he took 4 points of Wisdom damage from the Illusionist, and being threatened with bodily harm by people that keep ignoring perfectly good advice makes him cranky, pointing out that he is fully equipped to DEFEND himself seems a perfectly reasonable response.

Without the Wisdom damage, he still would have defended himself, but he would have probably just pointed out that the succubus might not be a succubus rather than warning you that he was prepared to defend himself with prejudice against attacks by threatening individuals like yourself. Again, I did not lift a finger to stop you from attacking the sucubus - I just pointed out that it seemed like a bad idea, and provided reasons as to why. Good reasons. Solid reasons. Reasons that were verified by a Celestial creature and an Epic Level Legendary Hero with Sense Motive as a class skill and a high wisdom score.

You on the other hand, threatened both me and the ange in "so many words" if we so much as breathed the wrong way because we might be charmed because you don't trust anyone or anything that isn't you even if the evidence literally has teeth and could bite you.

Pointing out that if I were being mind controlled that I'd likely be attacking everyone just makes sense. That's not a threat, and I hope that's not what you are referring to, because I just don't get it.

That's like saying, "If I was really scuba diving behind your back, I'd be wearing scuba gear." I'm guessing the "threat" was "harming me is suicide." That seems... reasonable. If someone wants to put their hands on me without my permission, my general rule of thumb becomes whatever part of them touches me becomes mine. Yes, its not what he would normally say, because of how aggressive it is, but its not exactly out of proportion with Jade's "warning".

As for my "irrational" behavior... I'm not sure what those were exactly?

We went to the encounter - I cautioned examining it. Balli shot an arrow, and some other actions took place, and I pointed out that the Kobolds seem bad, the orcs seemed like dwarves in disguise, and that the Kruthik seemed like Kruthik. Then, I pointed to the area where the dwarves were chained up and said the pendant was there.


I then buffed the party, turned myself invisible, and did some stuff... such as outing the illusionists hiding place, and then doing a pompous little monologue to the illusionist after killing a bunch of his minions and dispelling and disenchanting some dwarves.

Then, when you and Relwyk decided to attack the creature that got rid of the remaining kruthik tearing into our fighters with their armor rending attacks, I decided to search the body while pointing out why I believed the succubus was a threat, citing LOADS of evidence.

That's when you decide I'm charmed, citing as evidence the fact that I disagree with you. That, and the inherent nature of most succubi is your example.

Forget the magic circle, and spells, or the fact that literally EVERYTHING confirms what I'm saying. Evidence be damned, your "hunch" is more important.

That doesn't strike me as lawful, let alone rational. Which is fine, but its a bit weird, given that your strongest argument is that succubi are inherently evil... in spite of the fact that you have multiple, independent lines of evidence saying that THIS one, isn't.

Yes, it can be circumvented. Anything is possible - including the fact that it might not even be a succubus.

Did you consider that? Maybe Relwyk is wrong, and you are attacking an angel that's been polymorphed and geased, or some such thing? No verification - just instant death. I mean, it makes just as much sense as what you are suggesting.

And I'll just refer you not only to where I was the one that suggested you request such a thing, I then DID it. MSg 156 and Msg 176 (my very next post). Remove Enchantment should read "Break Enchantment, but they would do essentially the same thing, which is remove any enchantments upon my mind. So I did exactly as you asked after I suggested it.

So at this point, I don't know how you can say I'm charmed by the succubus, and I'm not sure what I've done that's more irrational than attacking a creature that appears to be a succubus that aided the party in the defeat of an evil illusionist that has multiple Good aligned people vouching for it - and an Epically Good Hero of Legend that just called for a ceasefire.


As for your very fair point about your character being who she is, and doing your due diligence to make sure your character would fit, to add on to what Faran said...

I get it. You are LG, and LG good says that jay walking is still a crime, and so is existing as a succubus. That part I get.

But... if a LG character murders a non-evil character without provocation... are they really LG? Because I think that's the part that's important in this instance. Because whether or not such divinations can be circumvented, the fact is that ACTUAL alignment matters, and with your +15 in Knowledge Planes, you should be aware of that.

That by itself, should give you pause, unless SOMEHOW, your character is just a racist who doesn't actually care about the difference between ACTUAL good and evil. A succubus that only sucks the souls of evil creatures for example, or something of that sort. The Vegans of the Succubus world - that they exist is a fact. So atypical alignments are a fact, and in the face of evidence that a typically evil creature might actually NOT be evil should be important to a LG character. Maybe it's new information, but its new information that you now have, and have to cope with. I suppose murdering a non-evil character who hasn't lifted a finger to defend themselves IS one way with coping with this life-changing information... but it sounds like an EVIL coping action, not a Good one.

Also... I've been summoning demons since before the maze... That's what I've been doing this entire time. Eyeballs - evil outsiders.

Voors - evil outsiders

Hell Hounds, Evil outsiders

Fiendish Huge Crocodile, Evil outsider

Koryalut - Evil Outsiders

Fiendish Wolves - Evil Outsiders (my first summons ever in the game actually)

Spikey Demon Thing - Evil Outsider

So... yeah. Been Evil Outsiders chilling with the LG characters for at least as long as I'VE been in the game. :p

And Belroar has literally ran into a room that was filling completely with sand to attack stone golems. He compulsively touches buttons and switches that are likely trapped.

Of course he would blindly attack the Succubus.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 104):



I assume by her post, she has made the roll and gotten that info back from mabrooks.

I called the succubus out before we left the mansion OOC.

And I agree,  A druid would never worth with a Abberation unless something dire was immediately on the line.

Fact She is/was contained, unless someone did something.

Oberservation: belroars immediate actions might be to look away from a damsel depending on her state, not run up and touch her buttons.

Fact, I love killing party members on spawn, esp when they do stupid stuff, but this succubus was as much a prisoner as the dwarfs a few moments ago.

Toa might teach both that demons can not be trusted, and that they should be kept out of the world. Not specifically that they should be burned at the stake, just banished.

Eitherway as Faran said,  this isn't G v E this is Us vs Elder evil. No one but a sufficiently contracted mabrooks or tiiva will sleep peacefuly near a succubus, Krazen for different reasons then everyone else.

I think I covered off all those issues above. The ones I haven't I have answers for, but I don't particularly want to continue this discussion. There is nothing good that can happen that I can see should we do that. Your view of your actions differs quite significantly from mine.

Your accusation of metagaming is false. In many ways it is exactly the opposite of metagaming. I have seen a succubi, and I am assuming that it behaves like a succubi, despite my player knowledge that it is a PC.

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So the question is 'what now'?

I think most of my views are captured by my previous posts. I am only one person. While I personally think it is the job of the person joining the party to pick a character that is compatible with the party, other people may not share that view. If the consensus is to invite the succubi into the party, I'll just leave.

I should add that I'm sorry I'm being a problem over this. I don't enjoy this sort of discussion (which is why I stopped posting IC). I would of stopped posting OOC as well, but that would just result in me having to leave the game, which I would like to avoid.

I am withdrawing from the argument now. I've made my views clear. I don't particularly want to have the 'It's OK for Paladins to be buddies with creatures that suck souls' argument any more. I'll just wait for the rest of you to decide what is going to happen, and then react accordingly

I'll agree to stop discussing it - but that's about the only thing I agree with.

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Well... this is a large group, with lots of regular posters. It COULD be that we could simply split the party rather than have ANYONE have to give up their characters.

That of course, depends entirely on the DM, and what everyone else wants to do.

On the one hand, I don't think it would be fair to ask you to change your character Jade.

On the other hand, I've been playing a demon summoner all this time, so I have concerns about that, given this current situation with the succubus.

And on the other, other hand, it's not like "Figure" should be punished for playing her character either.

Rather than it suck for anyone, I would vote for the option that requires the least amount of suckage.

Reasonably speaking, you could agree that at the very least continuing to attack her at this point is not your ONLY reasonable course of action, right? Especially if we have a solution that doesn't have to cause friction.

In reply to Jade (msg # 106):

You have not covered that the dm doesn't have to play succubi as written.

They could be the CG minions of Ehlonna as a entire group.

knowledge planes 15 reveals the info this info if you make a check.

The accusation of meta gaming is not making the roll, getting this info from dm and reading a monster article outta the manual because you have enough knowledge.

If your character has a issue, then do something about it In Character.

@Mabrook
If the figure appears I will all out offensively attack it with every ability I possess. I am currently trying to hunt it down and kill it (or I would be if I was posting)

I don't have a problem with you being a demon summoner, You can ask me why IC if you want.

@Karza
If the succubi isn't a succubi, then it isn't a succubi. The properties of being a succubi are mind controlling people (charm / dominate), stupid high levels of bluff (deceit) and soul sucking. Last time I looked the succubi can lie so well that even a person who optimises their sense motive with feats and things cannot detect a lie.

In reply to Jade (msg # 109):

Thats the dnd material not the campaign talking, succubi are a entity that live off sexual energy, mideval litterature has painted them as devils and soul stealing evolved from there.

Folklore wise, they are merely temptresses with no malign intent.

Incubus is more insideous.

knowledge x gives your character acess to dm's info on who and what stuff is.... dont go attacking the leader of the toa cause of meta gaming, or use that knowledge to identify this succubi as a outclass clan.

Not everything is always as one thinks.

@wikipedia





I think that spiritual attack causing exhaustion and deterioration of health or even death are quite close to 'soul sucking'.

I said I'd stop. I'll now stop.

I think the point Karza is trying to make is that the DM is the only source of authority for how succubi function in this particular world.

As someone who has DM'ed before, you really should trust whatever he says over something pulled out of a manual or website.  I regularly fudged lore just because one of my players thought they knew something.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:23, Wed 15 July 2015.

Wow, time out while I try to sift through it all

If you want to get bogged down in the RAW, almost every character has something that was allowed or substitued.

The original party where Belroar (1), Mabrook and Faran were members of fought two succubi. They killed both and Faran was killed but resurrected in the fight. The succubi there made their first actions to seperate and charm the party and to make every actions one to try and kill the party.

Mabrook is right that he has been summoning fiends and evil creatures for a long time now and that was one of his first actions in this room was to summon evil creatures to fight for him.

I hadn't thought the party or some members of the party would be a Kill on sight group. IF that is the case then I have alot of ways to make it so the party kills innocent people and become the very thing they think they hate based off the fact they kill because something looks like a demon.

I did know that a few of the members are Lawfully good and would have an issue with a demon in their mix, but after the "D word's" first actions was to help the party, I thought there would be time to converse with each other.

And just because Wiki, or the SRD or other books say that is the preferred method of actions by a Succubus (lie and suck souls) that doesn't mean its true for every single one. Other than being a tool meant to help the aprty navigate through hell safe and soundly, she had a reason to fight Borx just like many of you did and had no enemies among you. But she is now turned NPC and I have further plans for her.

As for the Rakasha, level adjustments can be off set by penalties. Again, just because the RAW say one thing, doesn't mean I can't curse a character so that a level 9 fighter is on the same playing field as a Rakasha. And even at that, the Rakasha was around for a total of 20 posts maximum.

I could go on rationalizing why something are and arent, you need to remember this is also a fantast game. If using real world literature to say why a "d word" would do this or that, find me real world literature where a gnome, a dwarf and a half elf are allies.
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End facts, we could sit here and argue all day about rules and junk. You can play your character however you want, I've never tried to stop anyone from doing so. I might put up some off limit ropes to contain things. The "problem" of the d-word has been taken off the table to satisfy the characters who see her as a monster in every sense of the word base on how she looks or where she comes from.

At this juncture, there can't really be a splitting of the party since the party has 7 of the 8 items needed, and the last one is with the evil big bad guy. You can go different ways to try to get to the end goal but you will eventually join back up. I'm not going to run a second thread just for adventuring while the main game is still going on. Once the main quest is over, then there is plenty of space for free roaming and finding the next problem in the world.


So if anyone ahs any issues with playing with monsters that are from extra planes of existance or outsiders, then the first issue would be with Mabrook's summoning of fiends to fight for the party. But at this point every character should be accustomed to those actions of his.


If you have actual further issues, PM me them so we can get the train back on the tracks.

Wow. . . . . I never had an issue. :( Sorry to lose the succubus. . . .

Side note I was reminded of:

There are is an option for second party-

There is the invading army to the west taking over the land. Though that second party will miss out on the "end game" of the initial quest before more options and quests come into play.

I'm out for a bit. I wanted to take a break and I was under the impression my absence would be filled. I guess that was blown up.
I'll meet back up with you guys when I feel like posting again.

The player of the succubus staying?

Nope. That's why there's no replacement.

Well that just sucks! I would have loved 'seducing' a succubus!

I'm directly linked to the prophecy so I shouldn't split off

As I'm not connected to the prophecy any more, I can split off if you need me to.

I'd rather follow Mabrook. Wasn't with him long before we got split up...

Well, if the succubus isn't a problem at this point, the only issue left IC to deal with is the demons that I summon and have been summoning, and will likely continue to be summoning. Jade doesn't have an issue with that, which I think will be interesting to find out why IC, and I'm not sure how Belroar 2.5 feels about it.

Tiiva... why have you forsaken me? :(

And of course, I'll do whatever's easiest to get things moving along.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 124):

Wait I finnaly get 10 minutes alone with the construct and you want me to reassemble it?

In reply to Karza (msg # 125):

LMAO... I get it, I get it... you call dibs on fighting Tiiva's doppleganger. :p

I am 100% positively going to go fight Borx and either murder him or get murdered in the process.

In reply to Faran (msg # 127):

Now wait a second... maybe Borx isn't that bad of a guy.... :p

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 128):

Ya, maybe druids, churches, demons, ancestors, Toa, and the stars can all agree on the same thing at the same time and still be wrong.

Don't mind me having internal turmoil over my entire existence then

So I'm sorry I raised the storm.

By the way there are many examples (In Chinese mythology anyway) of good people summoning and controlling demons. That's different to making deals with and being friendly with free willed demons. I don't have a problem with Mabrook summoning evil creatures

I'm all for not splitting up the group.

As for attacking things on sight, I'll continue to RP as seems right. I took a lot of care of what I attacked I felt (especially healing the 'mage') and will do so in the future as well. I took a lot of care over the succubi as well. I can always be tricked, not particularly hard for a GM with a bag full of tricks, but do I do try.

I don't know how the previous Belroar's worked around the summoning of outsiders.  The character sheet I was given, is of someone that truly hates evil outsiders.  I am trying to figure a way ic to reconcile the two.  I have no desire to see anyone leave the game/group.  I think a little conflict is to be expected even welcomed.  After all we are mostly human.

Conflict makes for interesting story telling... anything this interesting is bound to take some time to hash out from time to time.

It's entirely possible that the original Belroar was unaware that the creatures I summoned were evil... but he and Mabrook were always butting head's anyway, not just about evil outsiders but on risk taking, etc.

What I read is an Evil Outsider.. Er.. Lets be specific. A Chaotic Evil outsider gets summoned, imprisoned, and then uses your distraction as an attempt to escape. Instead of fleeing (the logical choice), she attempts to aid the party and gain a rapport. Gets attacked, doesn't retaliate. In fact, probably expected to get attacked initially and did only things to try and gain trust. Yes, typical succubus, but hey, if I was a truly Good character (Rita in another game), I would allow some kind of leeway to verify intentions. After all, if the succubus was seeking some kind of redemption or acceptance, instead of outright killing her, you could very easily talk to the ANGEL present and discuss...

http://dndtools.pw/spells/book-of-exalted-deeds--52/sanctify-the-wicked--93/

I didn't trust that the angel was actually an angel. We are in a fight with an illusionist, and as far as I can see Mabrook was behaving exactly as I would expect someone charmed by the succubi to be behaving. Plus no one told me IC 'it's an angel'.

It is a massive task to try and redeem someone. A huge one. It's not something that you can just 'do casually' while trying to adventure with them. It's also a big commitment to start that task. It's not something I felt willing to undertake. And it would require the succubi's agreement to do that, and that would require talking to her. The most dangerous demon you could probably talk to is a succubi. So you would need magical wards and defenses in place, with ... etc etc etc.

@conflict being interesting
Maybe. But sadly I didn't enjoy this conflict at all. I would rather we had avoided it (easily done: check character compatibility before joining) or even knowing that the succubi was a PC. That would of made me metagame a little, but that would of been to the betterment of the game

Anyway I am still struggling posting. I'm going to wait for the scene to change, and hope that I can get back the joy that I once had in this character. So please just NPC me until then.

At a funeral today, so no updates unless I'm free late night.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 136):

So sorry to hear that man. Hope you and yours are doing alright. You have our sympathies.

Sorry: I missed OOC.

What Mabrook said

You might want to revise your post: Msg #176 right up at the top:


You probably would have noticed that IC, but our posts are kinda long, so its easy to miss that stuff.

My post might alter depending on how/if you alter yours, so please just let me know in here what you're going to do so I can react accordingly. :)

So will a "short rest" be enough time to re-prepare spells?

Also, what will we need to survive in hell?  Does it require an Endure Elements or a Protection from Fire or Negative energy?

If I stepped on toes and pissed somebody off just let me know. lol.

And I'm back.

Welcome back. I hope it wasn't too bad.

A good lawyer.......

It went as well as any funeral could I guess. I'm at the age where there are weddings and funerals left and right. The good with the bad.

In my case, it's just funerals. Everyone I know that was going to be married has been married for years, now they're just dying.

So the plan is?

to wait?

I think its to wait and do a re-arming montage, before heading into glorious and epic battle.

So are there requests for special items,

Not from myself (I'm not an item person) But thanks for the offer

Only if they have spare Metamagic Rods. I'm not much of a tool user.

I want generic crafting reagents ( incense, oils, etc.)

Anything that reduces the need for a spell slot is appreciated.  Some backup healing wands/scrolls could be useful, and maybe a few extra castings of raise dead.

Since at least half have geared up, and there has been ample time yo pm and ask questions, I would like to get the story back on again.
If you haven't bought anything or didn't pst anything yet, I will allow some grace period as long as it doesn't effect anything from here out in order to retrofit it.

I think I'm good. Not much I could use and don't have much gold to buy anything.

I think I'm good. Not much I could use and don't have much gold to buy anything.

Well I have no cash, and her gifts were valueless, although it's always niced to be thanked

I'm ready to move on.

what was the plan for traveling? Teleport spell?

Um. Tiiva still has some other stuff she wants to take care of. If possible, since I haven't used it yet, can I use the minotaur thing to teleport to the guild(?) and come back? I want to ask them for aid in building that project, also funding and such.

The Minotaur Clasp works twice per week.
Some characters wastefully used it once to leave the Minotaur Guild and to appear in the inn across the street.
And everyone else used one use to get from the inn, to the dwarven citadel.

so I believe Tiiva has one use left for the week. But that only gets you there. but not back.

I didn't know we used one to get to the citadel.
Must have been when I was busier.

How much do I care about sticking with the party and not working on my toy?

I need a caring analyst. How much do I care right now?

I'm going to consult my Tome, and attempt a Teleportation Circle (9th-level wizard/sorcerer spell). If that fails to occur, I may try 3 Teleport Spells (lvl 5 spell): 1 to teleport 3 people over, 1 to teleport myself back, then the last one to ferry over another 3 people. If need be, I rest another 8 hours to bring the last party members over with more spells.

Relwyk, Mabrook had indicated that he would arrange for transport, so you might want to ask him IC. ;)

Tiiva.... hmmmm.

That is a very good question.

You are probably more interested in your new toy than the party objectives... but do you worry about any of us dieing?

Dying? No. Tiiva has absolute confidence in all of you. After all, since I joined your party (9 days ago, yes I asked the DM), nobody except me has been in a state of death or near death.

Tiiva isn't blind though. I have a willing clan of dwarves who have graciously volunteered to take up my project in my absence, using schematics that we have agreed upon.
If someone can send a message to the Minotaur guild for me, I'd like some additional funding and such.

My building expertise lets me slash the price by 25%, but that still puts the total cost to just under 100k gold.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 164):

Well... then Tiiva might want to talk to Mabrook about that. ;) Depending on what day she talks to him will depend on his answer of course.

I'm really sorry. My start up business just died, and I've just started a new job.  I'll be working crazy hours this week. If you could NPC me until the end of the week, I should be all sorted after that.

I think we are still in the resupply, minor activities.

I know Mabrook and Tiivas plans
Balli, Relwyk have stocked up

Are there any actions or wants by the party members not already seeking such avenues.

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Relwyk, Mabrook is looking to try and scribble a scroll down based off your book FYI

To him, all the pages will be blank.

I will be out of communication the next couple days. Going to be taking a bus trip and don't know when I'll have interwebs again. Sorry for the inconvenience.

Sorry for the long delay, I am gone on a buisiness trip untill sep

I've lost interest in RPoL. Good luck.

Did... Did we just lose all our non-magical ranged?

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 172):

Talindel was ranged?

Does that make Karza a sapper?

My class does let me use ranged weapons, but I have no DEX to speak of and I'm much better and buffing and healing, so yes.

I just stereo-typed him as a elf ranger. I don't actually know what he did. Come to think of it, I don't know what Karza does either.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 175):

We are rogue types, you don't have to know what we do.

What I do is what teddy rosevelt said, Walk quietly and carry a bit stick. If that don't work stick a thorn in their side and hang on.

*tumbleweed*

Sorry people I think I am going to have to say goodbye

I gave the game a good shot, and I enjoyed interacting with you all, but it's not for me. I no longer have a joy in my character, and in fact struggle even posting for her at all.

If you could remove me Mr GM that would be great

I wish you all the best in the future.

Damnit woman. Just roll a new character!
I roll characters even when I'm not sure I'm going to use them, and when I join I new game, if none of them seem to fit, I roll a new one.

...ok


So check in.

Who is still here.

I know Balli is going to be away for an amount of time
Krazen will be away for a few more days

Jade is out
Talendil is leaving too?

Belroar, Faran, Karza, Korut, Mabrook, Relwyk, Tiiva.

Among those, I don't know who is active.

Still here.

Okay. Is there a holiday I don't know about? What the heck is going on! I'm bored.

The holiday of Summer?

Don't tell me that people actually... go outside..

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 185):

TIIIVAAA, why you no watch anime on my account....

I will be active again on Wednesday. Getting on bus tomorrow the 11th, and will be back home on the 12th.

I've been watching Charlotte, Akagami no Shirayukihime (Snow White with the Red Hair), GATE, Fairy Tail, God Eater, Braves of the six flowers (Rokka no Yuusha), Working!!!, and Durarara X2.

I watch lots of anime. I just use Horrible Subs.

In fact, I'm gonna try building Natsu, but I'm not certain if I'll be able to pull it off with only two classes...

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 188):

try a dragon fire adept, they used a warlock model last time I check.

Add in a variation of full BAB + caster level advance like abjurant champion or eldritch knight.

The combination of high attack + spells and self buffs should come out close.

I'm looking at Dragon Decendant prestige class. It'll combine his unarmed strike with some dragonesque abilities, but what I'm looking for is something like a claw-lock but with fire abilities.

It might not be achievable to Natsu's truest nature without a homebrew class.

Ideally, I want to see something that uses unarmed strikes as somatic components to cast spells.
It sounds OP, but the very nature of it would require a concentration check with every attack.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 190):

Barbarian variant, the one that is monk ac.

Warlock -> full BaB/Caster

Breath of the ( ) is cone blast shape

Wing of the ( ) is glaive

Devour magic greater invocation = magic absorbtion

warlock reistances = elemental immunitiy

Energy admixiture = Breath of the ( ) ( ) dragon.

buff up his Con and make sure the presituge has 8 Hd in addition to BaB and Spellcasting.

Scent is easily a invocation, his even works a lot closer to Scent + blindsense, there was a improved scent floating around somewhere.

Warlock gives Dr and a healing surge.

Stat wise

Wis High
Con High
Str medium
Dex medium
Int average
Cha negative-average?

Now he has
A) enhanced physical
B) Breath attacks
C) durable with AC reaching 18 before buffs or magic enchanted robes(hes always wearing spirit cloth no?
Add in template for natural armor and Stat enchancement.

Scarf is +4 Con + Stablize automatically.

I'm only against the wisdom as his main mental stat.
Natsu is something like

CHA high
CON high
Str medium
Dex medium high
Wis Average
Int low.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:17, Mon 10 Aug 2015.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 192):

No happy has a Low wisdom and a high cha.

Nothing inspiring about natsu, or charming except he is a bruiser motivated by emotions.

Animals have high wisdom scores, higher then the average human.

Spot, wisdom.
Track, Wisdom.
Will save, Wisdom.
Listen, Wisdom.
Survival, Wisdom.

Natsu^

Sense Motive, Wisdom
Bluff Cha
Diplomacy Cha
Intimidate Cha
This message was last edited by the player at 22:19, Mon 10 Aug 2015.

Well I'm here, but I will be taking a long trip in September, and I start moving on Saturday.  My activity might be a bit spotty

So everyone that I assumed was still here is still here. Few characters are spotty. Mabrooks side trip to resupply is almost complete so I think ingame he was the last thing everyone was waiting for before marching on

Sweet.

I have a severe family emergency and not in the mood/cognitive/time to male posts at the moment. Things are day to day at the moment but this weekend will know more.

I am back to somewhat normalcy.

This is a roll call to see where everyone is at.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 198):

Karza is probably outstay his welcome in one too many bad jests one way or another. Dwarf building just doesn't lend it'self to peace or quiet.

Waiting to see what the travel decision is gonna be.

In reply to Krazen (msg # 200):

WOOHOO!

Glad things are back to normal - hope everything turned out as well as can be expected - or better.

And if you ask Mabrook, he'll answer.

Batman.

Still trying to set up that teleportation circle.....

Hack n slash n ready to go

In reply to Korut Orcender (msg # 205):

i have returned from military training and ready to resume.

In reply to Balli (msg # 206):

WOOHOO!

I have caught myself a cold, and it is kicking my ass.
I may be slow in posting for this week.

So I miss-managed my budget this month and lost my interwebs. I will try and get to the local library at least 2 times a week. If something comes up please NPC me. I hope to be back full time early next month.

Well, one of my friends who I play games with online helped me out. He was kind enough to split the bill with me and pay enough for my net to get turned back on. Sometimes, having friends is awesome.

In reply to Krazen (msg # 210):

YAY FRIENDS!

I'm feeling better. can post.

Uhhhh what happened? Feels like I lost a post or three......

I pushed the magic users of the group back outside into the trails thread.

There would have been zero profession if the magic users didn't leave.

Tiiva challenged the monk to a spar, he said only if magic users leave. So I pushed it.

And that's why being a shadow crafter is nice. its hard to tell if its magic or just skill. *pulls up collar on shirt to look cool*

And I didn't reach for magic I reach for my sword and shield. So they probably assume I'm a fighter type.

In reply to Krazen (msg # 215):

Little do they know the only non magic users are Krout and Balli and talendil.

Even Karza dabbles in some magic.

In reply to Karza (msg # 216):

Did we break lv 11 yet? I got some battle dancer tricks i'd like to expose these monks to.

HA HA level 11 you are funny. I am only 1/3 of the way between 8 and 9

Well, Karza and the main group should be close to 11.
Balli, who split off from the others and went his own way missed out on a ton of XP so both are correct.

Though I will award the XP now for the dwarven events

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 219):

WOO HOO!

Is it possible to make spell completion items that are 'completed' or triggered upon impact?
I'm looking into the possibilities of magic bombs or cannons.

from a physics point of view you would have to make sure that the rapid acceleration when launched would not activate it in the same way that the rapid deceleration would upon impact

but on that note i did have (in another game) a potion of entangling weeds that potion bottle was placed inside of a potion of web.

when thrown the entangling weeds doubled the difficulty to move through it.

also the web goes up in flames catching the weeds on fire, because the weeds are called forth magicaly they continue to grow and entangle

i called it a potion of entangling fire weeds

In reply to Balli (msg # 223):

Flaw, Entangle affects pre-existing plants, giving flexibility and motion. Dm can easily wave.
Even grass is deceptively entangling if you don't anticipate the roots.

Alchemy dc 30, +2-8 to web difficulty depending on terrain. No friendlies due to being a premade spell, fire would hinder most plants resulting in dc 8 or less after flames.
Atleast in my world,  Entangle + fire = automatically catch target on  fire, fire burns for 2d6 and lasts 2 rounds.

I'll work it out if it ever becomes relevant.

Remind me for new levels. HP is rolled, or 1/2 dice +1?

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 226):

Take your pick, stuck with it :D

Roll hp.

Is your roll is a 1, reroll. If the reroll is a 1, you have to take it

Should I do my levels before or after my post earns a response?

Unless you plan on attacking, it doesn't matter at the point.
(I mean unless you think you will take on monk elders, in their environment)

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 230):

Oh yes, this totally seems like a good idea - fighting a city of monks. *nods* Totally a good idea. I'll get right on that.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 231):

I think fighting a city of monks is less dangerous then fighting a city of spell casting monks where mabrooks may be entirely helpless.

High and mighty is getting on Karza's Patience rope, and He is running out of notches.

In reply to Karza (msg # 232):

*nods* Yeah, I've got a snake and some skills to protect me here. Well... maybe a bit more but nothing that can handle these guys.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 233):

I say let loose the bag of pocket dimensions and let cuthulu rain chaos on these lawful types.

If anyone should have stayed it should have been Karza in there, I'm the closest thing to a arcane path monk that isn't a monk with arcane strike.

I got the unarmored dodge, unarmed strike, magic unarmed strike, dodge, tumble, ect.

In reply to Karza (msg # 234):

*nods* I know it. Challenge 'em. That seems to be what they want. Don't mind me, I'll just be reading. :)

I've already done my levels. I'm just waiting on a response from the elders, or at least something indicating that time is still moving on.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 236):

sorry Tiiva, he KO'd you so fast you didn't realize it, you been lying on the floor outside for a while now.

but I can't be knocked out. I am either dead or awake.

Can't post for the next 8 hours of work.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 228):

You get to reroll 1s? I need to reroll. :)

New Belroar (v5.0?)

New Thread, if you have questions let me know

Basically a normal encounter, except you limited in movement and some actions

Goal is to kill the King, but it is not just a simple hit on the king to kill him.

The queen is very capable of killing any of you if she has a chance to.
The knights and bishops CR is just about the same as your level
Pawns aren't weak but they are also not very strong, the will do a fair amount of damage before they die.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 241):

https://youtu.be/sDWlOsWAn98 ?

all attack are considered melee then? Any retaliation to a attack?

It is like a normal encounter. You move and attack, they move and attack

attacks of melee/ranged/spells can only happen in the normal direction of your chess piece in the line of sight.

Bishops can only move and attack in their diagonal direction
Knights move in the L shape

So, a Wall of Force blocking the queen from moving is out, then?

following line of sight  can a fire at range of must is be in base to base contact (i am a pawn)

Try being Melee as a Knight having to move in the L shape lol.

Try being a summoner who can't summon monsters. ;)

That's why you're the Queen. *laughs*
This message was last edited by the player at 17:49, Thu 01 Oct 2015.

In reply to Krazen (msg # 249):

:p

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 250):

Karza is perfectly happy to dance in L shapes through people or dash in any direction hitting like a freight tran.

Ok, now that I have read the full encounter

Balli, as a pawn you can only attack the pieces like a pawn would be able to

Relwyk and Mabrook, you can cast spells, even area spells, but you can only cast them in the direction you can attack as a chess piece, and must have the line of site, much like a chess piece would in order to take another piece

Karza, you're a rook, so you don't dance in the L shape


This encounter is supposed to tie hands behind backs, sacrafices will need to be made, all in order to complete the mission of killing the other king.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 252):

Sure its not the hogwarts encounter?

Can I cast the Castling Teleportation(PH II, I believe) if I have the permission of the participants?

 so I can not throw a granade like object arcoss the board???

In reply to Balli (msg # 255):

Balli is clearly in the wrong role, he should be queen. Karza should be king. mabrooks should be a pawn, and tivva should be a bishop.

Na I am just stretching and discovering my abilities

In reply to Balli (msg # 257):

I'm referring to our capabilities. Karza is probably the toughest of our party.

mabrooks limited attack power is best qualified by his limited attack opertunities.

well some one had to be the super durable pawn

Ac 28
HP 140
DR 3/adamant
I can fire my bow at point blank range.

I also have a large size great sword
and or large size hatchet
I am not a one trick pony

In reply to Balli (msg # 259):

Yes but can you redirect attacks, from a enemy to a enemy?

Karza makes a killer king. Let them kill themselves :D

Well... I've probably stopped almost everything on the board from moving and am like doing damage to everything but us for the next 12 rounds or so. And Haste will be nice.

Editing my move to add a group Buff.

Dude my pic disappeared...what happened?

It's still there. Sometimes Rpol doesn't display portraits all the time. Just don't worry about it.

Been on the road for work since the weekend, will be reading and trying to update.

Do you all post at work or something? Why is it that whenever I have time off, nobody is posting.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 266):

Dm has a busy life. Especially on weekends now that hes married.

In reply to Karza (msg # 267):

Mabrooks just stopped playing my game, you refused to join. I'm perfectly capable of instancing several zones at once in a world box. Why be party members when you can be heroes.

I'm struggling to follow all of the games I'm in except this one.
Levis has been struggling to be useful, also nearly out of spells.
Rita doesn't seem to be holding my interest.
I quit from 'Realms of Adventure', though they refuse to remove me for some reason. (meh)

Every game I'm in seems to be going slowly..... Kinda irritating sometimes lol. I'm waiting for people to act in every single game, Lol.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 269):

Part of being usless is being part of a group, when you, your tools and any allies you pick up and trust are all you have. You shouldn't feel useless.

And if you feel daunted, then finding temporary allies is half the fun.

I've already killed Mabrooks powergaming character with a base class same level character no cheesing :D. Allies come in handy.

Almost wish Karza wasn't there. I think Vortex of Teeth would polish off the Rook Wall. But I cannot make it selective.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 272):

As a player i'm familiar with it, but I found it works best in conjuction with traps and snares.

High Power merged with long duration. Karza is probably the most amicable to friendly fire in the group. HES ON A MISSION FROM GOD.

In reply to Karza (msg # 273):

Did something stop me short of the A-2 spot? I Made my fear save moving past it, and was willing to give it a AoO if it wanted to try. AC 25 with mobility for moving, reflexive trip if he misses the fast target.

Balli, you can attack pawn 3 on the angle.

Not just married life that has made my free time bare minimum, but doing the best I can.

Relwyk, thats my fault on Karzas placement. If you wanted to do the teeth spell, you can adjust your previous action as such. In either case, the ongoing damage from the first acid attack killed knight 2

Naw. Teeth has a radius of 40', with a 5' hole in the middle. NOT something I want to cast with a lot of my buddies around.

Nope. Found the spell I wanted, cast it Empowered. Say bye-bye to the queen, I think.

Relwyk, your attack did do a massive amount of damage, but this queen has a great amount of HP

As you have seen by display of Krazen, even if you think your attack is too weak, where it would normally fail, it still deals damage per"Chess Worlds" rules. Since in chess even a pawn can take a queen, a level 3 soldier could kill a demon of cr22 ish or so, as long as enough damage is dealt.

It's called 'Castling' Mabs.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 279):

:p Well, it would be if the other rooks hadn't moved. :p

Luckily, Acid Arrow isn't stopped by Spell Resistance. I just have to hit them with a ranged Touch attack.

I'll just wait on the AoO's

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 282):

Hey Tiiva, is red hair not a desirable trait in men or is there too many orange hair guys for it to have a presence?

Yes i know red hairs are prone to a ton of health issues and are genetically endangered.

Woot. Crit on an Acid Arrow. Does that mean the target takes double damage each round the arrow stays?

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 284):

I love you guys and your one track minds.

Mabs how are we doing on pendants?

Hey people need their strength back.... I took 7 points STR damage... that's HALF of my total strength... IDK how much others took because its private for a reason.... just keep in mind that if we leave this area we have to REDO the trial... which at this point is a stupid move... Let's just get the show on the road and go kill the BBEG. (Big Bad Evil Guy)

In reply to Karza (msg # 285):

Unless the DM corrects me, we should have them all now.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 287):

To see recaps of Karza playing goat ball, Watch Disney's Robinhood(with the animals).

Halfway through, Lady Kluck rampaging through the big fight scene.

Sorry was looking for material to illustrate to Cory, FOUND IT.

On the matter of pendants out of 8.

I know of 7 the party has. And unless I contradicted my self somewhere, it was made known that Borx kept one pendant for himself.

What's the story on those pendants? What are they?

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 290):

Ask some know it all in character if you'd like. :)

At a wedding this weekend. Sorry

What, if anything, allows you to see through fog? I knoe True Seeing won't do it.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 293):

Blindsight, and that's about it really. Farae fire?

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 294):

Tremor sense, true seeing depending,  improved versions of scent.

Fog basically grants various levels of concealment up to total concealment to everything in or beyound it. Clever people can work around it with spells like chain of eyes or other clever things.

True that. Forgot about chain of eyes.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 296):

The simplist and best way for you and your spelllore abilities might be aura of cold or energy substition it to dessicating and to attack/push back the fog around you.

Eitherway I think a fog here would be eye catching.

In reply to Karza (msg # 297):
Depending on physics.

Low level light spells will definatly allow you to back light something, allowing you to detect things between you and the light
 Light may be too strong, but softer lights definatly.

Freedom of Movement is a Divine spell. Is there an arcane equivalent?

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 299):

bard 4, beguiler 4, vigilante 4

Theres also the entire group of teleportation effects.

worst case it's 40 by 40 burst. regularly 20 by 20. If he finds some infernal way to fuel it, maybe 120 wide radius x 120 high.

In reply to Karza (msg # 300):

There was a time when there was only 8 spells at a level and you had to improvise :(

Burrow speed spells would work.

Player's guide to faerun, says blindsight 30 1 min/level, as a 2nd level arcane spell, though I would bring it up to 3rd to match clerics.

That's probably what you will really want, the abilty to attack things in the fog with lightning bolts, fire bolts, magic missles, or targeted rays.

Yeah, it's Bard 4. But I need to be able to cast as a Sorcerer, and it isn't on any Wizard spell list I know of.

Scorching Ray will work. So will Polar Ray.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 302):

I was thinking more along the lines of fireball, or something along those lines.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 302):

That's the spirit, don't fight the party spell casters, work with them.
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Fireballs get stopped or slowed down by solid fog. Rays aren't affected.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 305):

Attack thier movement: deadly lahar, caustic mire, resonous tar, reverse gravity, transmute ground to x

Attack them: orb spell series, Arc Lighting, lighting bolt, vitrific sphere, rainbow beam, shout


Many of our expected foes have spell restance, boost your penetration or prepare  around it.

 Wal of water + holy water conversion with cleric. I think theres a subdual water version of fireball
Consecration or purify metamagics

I'd definatly take arc lightning in triplicate.

Spells do x, sometimes  x is better off as x=y then just x.

Im low on higher level spells that are damaging. The more surprise we have the better, take them out quietly and maybe they won't know anything is wrong until we get a rest in.

Pull a Sam and Frodo, wear their armro and pretend to be them to buy us some time?

So if I ever post something that makes 100% no sense, it's probably because I either forgot what I was writing or forgot which character I was writing for.... or both.

In reply to Tiiva (msg # 308):

I may post the right character in the wrong game...

Was away for the holiday weekend. Will be updating soon. Sorry I forgot to mention

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Rearranging my office today so I will not be posting or won't be posting until late this evening.

Also Faran, you can fly much faster with poor maneuverability.

Ok, so instead of sitting here for a week and for the party to plan out the perfect strike, I would like the attack to begin. So please make a decision as to where, and how you will go. Because you could sit here forever coming up with the perfect assault and that just takes the fun away from it since at a table game you would have had 5 minutes at most.
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Moving in from the north where the barn is.
Faran takes Korut, Karza and (one open spot) plus Hesseth through the wind spell
Belroar will griffon attack

What will Mabrook, Balli, Krazen, Relwyk and Tiiva be doing.

We will also be moving in from the North, by the barn,  casting "Darkway" when we are close enough to the building to just walk up the back. The bridge is intangible, so there should be no walking noises save for clothes, equipment, etc.

Balli has first claim on the wind walk spell, but if nobody else wishes to have it cast on them, Mabrook will take it.

And Relwyk has Flying as a spell-like ability if she needs it. Her Eyes will be scouting and acting as lookouts. Relwyk will be crossing the darkbridge so she can cast Passwall to get the group inside quickly.

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 316):

Karza heard the plan last week, sounded good as any human plans, but had no gnomish insight to make a quality plan with.

And now the other important part, how do you get up to the barn to sneak attack from there.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 318):

We don't need the barn, I'll just make the bridge from the ground to the roof. Bridge can be like 200 ft long.

 In reply to Mabrook (msg # 319):

Lets see, A² + B² = C²

So 120ft high?  144 + 256 = 400, so 120 high, 160 long, 200 slope. At about 33°  gradient. I'd say that's slightly difficult terrain.

In reply to Karza (msg # 320):

70% slope for metric peoples. Somewhere between taking the stairs 2 and 3 stairs at a time.

I mean to ask:

You are at the eastern gate.
You want to begin the attack from the northern side of the fortress. By the Barn.

How do you move from where you are, to the northern side of the fortress.
You have to move through the city. What path. any spells to hide yourself. any checks to be quiet, one at a time to be less noticed?? Do you just make a straight line for it. Do you walk around the edges of the wall from the inside. Do you walk along the edges on the outside of the wall and climb in?

Ah, yes, I thought we would make our way around from the outside like we have been.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 323):

Hrmm... mhmhMHH..  arhmm.......HAVOK!, ON KARZA, ON KRAZEN, ON BELROAR, ON FARAN, ON KORUT?

The Boulder shot pigmen.... what sort of weapons are they carrying? What is a boulder shot, anyways?

In reply to Relwyk (msg # 325):

I believe litteral boulders, sling/wench assisted or chunked.

I'm a bit of a grinch during this season, and by grinch I mean I'm not dying before I see christmas removed from the planet.
That said, I tend not to... social.

This is more for the DM, but it's convenient here.
If I don't make any actions for too long, you can take my actions for me.
Everyone is aware of my strats, right? Move into range, fire. I'm also not useless in hand to hand combat.

Wand: MagMiss CL 7
1 charge = 4 shots (Max 20 damage)
Twin spell uses 4 more charges.
Maximize uses 3 more charges.

If you need an infusion list, I can use up to 4th.
1:3/3
2:3/3
3:3/3
4:2/2

Sling/winch? Subject to Shatter or other degrading magics?

The boulders are on small catapults. Wood and metal gears.

Two are loading the boulder (there is a pile of boulders I can add into the image) that they pick up. They weigh a good amount and is made easier with two doing the work (standard action by both do load one boulder, full round for one loader to load) and then one pigman imbues it with something and it fires at the start of the next round.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 329):

Mabs do you have a ring of battering ram? Sounds like a force kick to the balls is called for. Or a snake thrash.

In reply to Karza (msg # 330):

I do actually, sort of.

Certainly got something up my sleeve. ;)

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 331):

I like krazens idea better then my character being incapacitated for 5 rounds.

By Krazen's plan, you mean letting those who are physical already charge in, and then you start to change back to material?

The way I see it right now without any details from the party, is that the wind walkers are going to get into position. Then turn normal. Meanwhile the bridge is being formed and everyone else rushes up it.

If its different, tell me more specifically please.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 333):

I just wanna hit play.

Running up the bridge sounds better then being unable to act for 5 rounds.

This is the plan. Mabs would delay.

I think the distraction of the charging wil focus the defence. Only to have that defence shattered 5 rds later when the the wind walkers "enter"

Now the time does not have to be so long or as short

5 rds to change to gaseous form

Movment at 10 ft rd

5 rds to change bact to phisical form

Cordination of timing wil be important.

There is also nothing saying that the wind walkers have to solidify at the same time. Or on the roof, inside the second floor is also an option.

In reply to Balli (msg # 336):

References diablo II's zakarium.

Yep there are windows, but the bridge was cast to co-inside with the reformation. So timing is a minor concern, I just enter from the bridge with momentum.

Like a sprinter at the sound of a gunshot.

Damn. One more prep spell I forgot about. Who on the team uses a bludgeoning weapon? Got a nice Greater Mighty Wallop spell for them.

I think for main weapons, it breaks down to:
Belroar has a piercing out
Balli is a piercing but has arrows that do bludgeoning too i think
Faran has a mace that is bludgeoning
Karza has a staff that does bludgeoning
Korut is slashing
Krazen is slashing
Mabrook is magic
Relwyk is magic
Tiiva is magic with unarmed bludgeoning

Well, since the spell duration is ten hours, I can hit Faran, Karza, and Tiiva with the spell on their primary weapon. Pretty sure it works on unarmed combat too. Allows the B weapons to hit as if they were two sizes larger, in terms of base damage. Pity Balli doesn't have a Greathorn Battlehammer.

you do realize that if i were to use a melee weapon i would drop from a +26 to hit to a +14 to hit.

but your spell can add an additional 2d6 damage bringing my total to 4d6

Well, the spell works on weapons. Don't think it'll work on ammo unless DM okays it.

every spell i know that can be cast on a weapon transfers the effect to its ammo, but once again it is ADOGM

In reply to Balli (msg # 344):

Kraza's stick doesnt get much better with size.

In reply to Karza (msg # 345):

Mabs you said you never really had a firm opinion of what or who gnomes are.

Naturally clever fighter, discipline scoundrels.

Any gnome with a good BAB is a 'tracer' a practisioner of parkour, see mirror's edge gameplay.

Gnomes are usually fixated 'experts' both proud and having skill focus in their choosen field, or spell school focus.
They are more clever then smart so most of their knowledge is trial and error vs schooling.

A scholar type gnome like a historian is quick to acquire historical knowledge, but would rather borrow to obtain information, e.g. examine a artifact or read a book then no longer need it. However they often have a clutter of things theyh had to get to learn from they respect but no longer need.

Artist are the same one they learn it all their failed or imperfections are packratted if no use for them is found.

They have famial burrows, by the mother's line, often augmented over time by extradimensional means to accomidate new members and old members things.

Sometimes a gnome will leave the family to take a up a trade name and den(like a combination company/trade school/guild).
 Most npc gnomes are very community concious and herd creatures.

Adventuring gnomes are always deviants in some way ot

I can dig that K-man.

Good round-up.

I always visualize gnomes like that one tiny, music teleporter maker from the He-Man movie with Dolph Lundgren. :p

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 347):

 In reply to Balli (msg # 35):

Dc to reflect at the jerk that shot me last round?

balli's shot with the bow comes after karza's actions and after the enemies, so the field will look different before balli makes the shot.

balli, you can make other actions when it gets to your turn (move climb down or something else), but if you go to take a bow shot it will be a crit fail still.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 349):

Are any games besides horsemen waiting on me?

In reply to Karza (msg # 350):

I figured i'd let them open, tumble to the top, tumble down the secure the gate area.

Tumble/jump skill check for 1 or 2 d6 falling -1 for willing = 29  feet before i take lethal falling damage(39 if dm lets me do both skill checks0.o or i roll a 17.

In reply to Karza (msg # 351):

Teach me to premptively roll 20s.