As far as the mages knowing, they both have means of detecting magic and invisibility and have seen the pixie and are keeping an eye out. Which makes it weird that 2 days after an escape it's still "hiding"

For my part, I don't care, I'll try and be accommodating. I get the complaint - the problem is less the fact that she's playing via PM and more the perception that she's not interacting with anyone in the group.

The problems as I see it are manifold.

1) We can't really trust a character that we don't interact with.
2) We don't want to tell someone how to play their character, but we don't want how they play their character to interfere with the game.
3) It would be really unfair to have someone plotting something which could hurt the group without the group knowing about it - especially if that gets one or more people killed.

I am guessing that the ask here is that Mixi at least makes her presence known and starts befriending some of the other players.

I will say that I do a LOT of PM'ing myself. Almost every post includes multiple PM's, and I also PM the DM about things that I'm planning, etc. Especially for this character in particular, he's a planner, and without checking in with the DM he could be really awful for other characters to play WITH.

I mean... you don't even want to know what I'm planning on doing behind your backs honestly. :p

What I can say is this - DM has always done a great job at making sure that my play is balanced with other players. He's made sure that if I'm cheesing on something, there's some equivalent cheese that I'm going to have to karmically deal with.

So if the grievance is related to CONCERN rather than ANNOYANCE - which both could be true here, certainly there's a mix - then I would say that you should set the concern aside. Staying invisible all the time so that the group is unaware of you is a form of "splitting up the party".

In my experience, whenever I have done this, it makes his life harder. And that makes my life harder.

It would not surprise me in the least that while she's "split" something happens to her that makes it abundantly clear... alienating yourself from the only people capable of helping you is going to drastically decrease your chances of survival.

So I'm happy to let her do her own thing. I won't say what my IC reaction would be to finding out the Pixie is in trouble... because aspects of character like that are "spoilers" as far as I'm concerned... but I will say this.

There's no guarantee that Mabrook is going to stick his neck out for her. By all appearances, she's just a "stowaway" that has yet to prove herself of value or liability. And as he has stated in character... he sort of feels obligated to deal with what he has described as an inter-dimensional apocalypse. Now whether he actually shows the rest of you loyalty and kindness...

*shrugs*

Well, that sort of depends on how our interactions guide the story to unfold, eh?

And as the DM has pointed out - in the spirit of OOC - I have not only been keeping tabs on Mixi, I have given her an IC reason to assume that her presence is not unknown to me. I won't speak for her, but I could guess as to the rationale.

She's playing a pixie surrounded by "long legs" and she doesn't trust any of them (racist!).

To Mixi, I'll say this. Like most others on this forum, you write as a mix between first person and third person omniscient (you post not only your actions but your thoughts as well). So while it's consistent for me to post PM's to the DM (As a rule I write from a 3rd person limited perspective) because I am not revealing my internal monologue, you have every reason to reveal your character's thoughts because that is already consistent with your posting style.

Now, I could geek out on the pros and cons of 3rd person limited compared to a first-person omniscient style of writing... but that's hardly the point. The point is consistency. Both from a writing perspective and as a matter of... engagement with other players, it makes sense to present yourself as consistently as possible. Even if your character is flighty and mercurial, there is a consistency to that behavior that should be represented in your posts.

Basically from my view, my preference isn't about whether you choose to interact with the character, but instead I'd prefer you choose a posting style. Either write your internal monologue so we know you are still active, even if we can't see you (meaning you don't have to describe your actions)... or don't. Otherwise if you DO go inactive, we will have no idea whether or not you are still playing, and that is a pain in the ass for everyone involved.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 901):

Needs a tl;dr version, but yeah, I mostly agree.

Actually, you're a good example of PMing done fine: even before you said so, I was sure you've been PMing the DM like mad, but you also do stuff publically and interact openly in the game. Your secrecy is, paradoxically, quite apparent and because of it Mabrook comes off as untrustworthy.

All of this produces a particular kind of character interpretation, at least to me: the mad wizard. Which, well, is probably fine and might even be your intent, especially because you seem self-aware about how others likely perceive you.

So, yeah, lots of PM schemes which have public effects and a player willing to deal with that. Good job, guy!

Humm lets see.

Woke from a stupor without clothes and equipment, in a threatining environment. Managed to get free, natural inclination being self Presavation, turn invisible.
Assess this group of strangers and select the one most suitable to interract with while not endangering the one she decided upon by communicating subtly.
Scouted the Pirate vessel and reported her findings and suggesting a possible course of action, the party sought a different tact.

Fey being naturally weary and reclusive race she kept away from these strangers whilst indertaking to provide assistance to this venture. Most Fey are long lived so they think and do things differently to most races.
What she observed during tbe escape was gob smacking, elementals appearing and dissapearing, spells being cast about like they came from an unlimited source, which was quite mindboggling not to mention intimidating. After the skirmish  one of the escapees took it on himself to start questioning/interrogating the other escapees; this MixiFidd found to be arrogantly overbearing thus confirming her decision to maintain her anonymity.
Transferring to the Faster ship she did what she could to assist protect it and the others however this prevented her from learning any plans the group has made, thus she couldn't act on these or offer council.  Which is regrettable as one of the characters could have informed her of this. Next thing she knows is they reach an islsnd and the Escapees abandon the Ship heading ashore. PBM is a multi edged medium the more participants involved the more edges involved.

The Escapees?

Are you not one of them too?

Also not all abandoned the ship.

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 901):

In responce to your post stating that you were not unaware of her presence suggests you knew exactly where she was at her time which is in itself quite impressive considering she has been invisible; would the GM confirm this was the case. I have been playing that he didn't know where she was or is.

In reply to Chessintra (msg # 904):

I asked in 883 who was going ashore.
Yes she is and I'm using the term escapees as she only knows a few of their names.

Invisibility isnt foolproof. Both Relwyk and Mabrook know you are there and hiding around.

In reply to MixiFidd (msg # 903):

I get that you've got in-character reasons. I thought I was clear when I said they're more or less irrelevant to how you, the player, act. Specifically, why do you, as a player, wish to create and play a character who doesn't interact with others in the party, in a game and setting which focuses quite heavily on teamwork, adventure, etc.?

There comes a point where a character doesn't work and needs to be amended. Just find some reason to be part of things. If your current vision of Mixi wouldn't ever do it, then find a new vision and join the game! Be creative!

Or just...fade into obscurity. Whatever works.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 907):

Neither of them mentioned that we've got an invisible stowaway though. Scoria either. Esfaran's only real in character motive upon learning of the pixie so late would be literally to say F this and take the compass to an actual competent party. One who won't just ignore an invisible stowaway spy on  the ship they just stole. Who even likes secrets and this BS?

Sorry for edits...
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Yes, my Greater Eyes spell had True Sight, which isnt evaded by invisibility.

Doesn't Esfaran know of the pixie? Didn't Scoria mention it or no?

In reply to MixiFidd (msg # 906):

Yes you did but unless it’s posted IC. I don’t really feel the need to post tstidf in OOC. That’s Godmode and if your wanting to know stuff In game post these. Please. Not into answering stuff in OOC when you can easily post in game

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 911):

I'm pretty sure no, I know a couple times I did some metagame fishing for info in-character, like a week or three ago when I was asking around for a scout, but still nothing's come up.

In reply to Chessintra (msg # 912):

Do you hold thay no pre posting conversation should be considered. Mixifid can see who left if they didn't she knows they are still onboard. How difficult is that to address ooc?
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In reply to MixiFidd (msg # 905):

Yeah, I had PM'ed you something which you would have noticed which I THINK you responded too?

And yeah, I figured Scoria or Esfaran or both knew of the Pixie because they were there when she broke out of her bottle. *shrugs* Also Scoria had mentioned her, so at least for Mabrook, he's under the assumption that everyone is aware that at least at one point there was a pixie who was a fellow prisoner. Whether they are aware of where she is now... well... it's a rare wizard who hasn't figured out that you learn more by patient observation than leading the charge. :p

Besides, anyone of us could be spies. Just depends on how suspicious you are IC. Mabrook has his IC reasons for not speaking up, and that will be some mighty good character interaction I'm guessing when and if it happens. IC I honestly shouldn't be fucking with any of you guys. :p I should be at my Wizard's Tower sending out minions to do my dirty work, not rolling up my sleeves. Or becoming a god. Or teaching conjuration to an apprentice. But... if I did that... well, it'd be a different game, eh?

And I DO love playing Mabrook!

Also, glad that my character is landing like you've stated. It's not my exact intention, but it's a reasonable one given how I've been posting. After all, he's either mad... or "super-sane"! :p

Maybe shes hiding too?

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 916):

That's too rich. They are like "ships passing in the night". Constantly missing each other, never realizing that there are two of them on that tub. :p

In reply to Mabrook (msg # 915):

There at bottle breaking, but not aware of stowaway status. Cantrips focused on more useful things like not dying and sailing rather than looking for hypothetical spies or other magical junk that nobody else mentioned when they did their search of the ship earlier and presumably would have been equipped to find.

Also Esfaran is male, if you're talking about me.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 907):

Noted their spot is much better than anticipated if they are aware why the complaints about not intereacting. They have seen her sitting on another characters shoulder quite a few
Few times but have interracted as with her. Two days for a mortal can equate to less than a second for an shy immortal.

Appologies if Scoria feels that he has been used as a tool, was working on the assumption that his race is akin to Fey. Shall not do so again.

Relwyk suggest you review that.

In reply to Esfaran Parserenay (msg # 918):

So if I understand the situation correctly, multiple people are aware of someone who is attempting to remain hidden and invisible on the ship and has not made any attempt to figure out who it is or why they're there, or even warn everyone else. Relwyk in particular actually saw this person and kept quiet... Like, seriously? How does that make any sense?

Also, Relwyk is correct, nothing evades True Sight. If she in fact has it.

Will tell Scoria she's scouting the docks and outlying area for possible crew. Then apologising for imposing upon him, informing him that she shall decist this and seek an alternate means of associating with the others.

I think it got lost during the escape. When a few people are the invisible creature but didn't bring it up

Hiding invisible made sense then.

And we assumed it would take away invisible when out of the ship. I assumed that much at the least.

Mixi
1. Complaints aren't about you hiding. They are about you not posting anything at all for us to interact with. Specifically, my only complaint was that you post an internal monologue... but you don't do so consistently. I can ignore any information that is meta-gamey, but I honestly have no idea how involved in the game you are.

2. I don't know that you've been "sitting on another character's shoulder". I simply messaged you regarding what YOU would have noticed. But that's sort of the problem with posting inconsistently. I don't have anything to interact with, and the DM is only going to tell us what he is aware we would want to know. So why would I ask the DM for what your character is doing? I should just be able to read your posts and know that you are suspicious, and you are quietly being wary and clinging to someone's shoulder. I have a way of seeing you and I still don't know you are doing those things because as far as I'm aware you've not posted them. You haven't even posted about things we might have noticed, so there is literally nothing for me to interact with. We can toss around blame about who is not taking the initiative to approach who, but if OOC I have no idea if you are posting or not, I have no reason OOC to direct any of my posts towards you. Does that make sense?

3. I noted that you are willing to work with us on this, and I'm really appreciative of that. I know it can be a pain to adapt your play style to others, so I just thought it was worth acknowledging.

Esfaran
1. Yes, that is as much of the situation as has been explained OOC.

2. I will drop a hint that IC I have a very good reason for not saying anything. Not the least of which is that Relwyk and I are very aware of each other's capabilities.

3. Yes, I'm aware you are male. I feel you've RP'ed your character very well, not sure where the pronoun confusion comes in.

MixiFidd ... don't take my OOC comment about Scoria being a tool as a bad thing.  He's been used for worse and he could stop you any time.  He seems fine protecting you.  He just doesn't trust because #pirates ... Again, I think the OOC conversation going on is friendly.  I do hope no one is taking offense.  I also agree that I anticipated MixiFidd becoming visible normally once we were away from the bone castle.