Duh... I guess I should have thought of that.

Just submitted an image... I hope it gets accepted.

In reply to Masugatan (msg # 760):

If it is, it might take up to a week.

i try and go with the best i can do, and use other images i put in my description, to support what i'm trying to project, as far as image.

In reply to Masugatan (msg # 758):

Check page 3 of scifi human male.

Ill be on tomorrow, family stuff

Chye I sent you a fb messenger note about your friend.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 764):

Just a point of physics, if attempting to fire a missile through a grid, you cannot be at much variance from head on to penetrate it, especially if the missile is nearly  the same size as the opening.
If you are facing a gate that is 1 yard wide, only three people can fire tbrough it; one in the center, two making angled shots. If you are further than that, you cannot see through the gate, much less target something 4 yards past it. If your missile is magical in nature, that does not mean it can turn corners.  It can only fire in a straight line. Please do not post about how you hit something when it has neither had a chance to dodge, actively defend, or resist the damage with DR.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:18, Thu 08 Feb 2018.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 765):

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In reply to Narrator (msg # 765):

Regarding silk gloves, are they considered good quality due to being silk, or should there be an additional +4 CF on to of that for good quality gloves?

So normal gloves are $15, +4 CF for good quality. Silk is +19 CF, and seems to imply good quality, but such is not stated clearly. So $300 or $360 for good quality silk gloves?

Normal gloves, according to Low Tech, give Ham Fisted 1 and Bad Grip 1. This gives a -2 with Melee weapon use, climbing, catching, and Fast draw, Artist, Jeweller, Knot-Tying, Leatherworking, Lockpicking, Pickpocket, Sleight of hand and Surgery has -3. Good quality reduces this DX penalty to -1.

If you are taking this from Low-Tech (and I suspect you are), then no, the Silk modifier in Low-Tech does not automatically include any Quality modifiers... being a Material modifier.



However, I doubt we're using the Gloves penalties... because in DF Low-Tech is normally not a used book.  And because I've never seen anyone wearing gloves being given that penalty when doing fine work (such as lock-picking).
This message was last edited by the player at 09:04, Sat 10 Feb 2018.

Yeah, that was coming from Low Tech. I also noticed that the penalties were not being used, but I just wanted to confirm it.

In reply to Reanna Draegan (msg # 769):

Spidersilk gloves give DR1 and can be worn under heavier ones; the section on silk as an armor material implied that it could stack without further penalty; iirc it has a further benefit against penetrating things like poison quills.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 770):

I understood normal silk gave DR1 vs cut an imp, while spidersilk gave an additional DR1 to make it DR2?

But I guess the real question is: Does it impose a penalty to DX? If so, what is the cost to negate this penalty?

In reply to Reanna Draegan (msg # 771):

It does not impose any penalty, and can be stacjed without further pebalry with other DR

In reply to Narrator (msg # 772):

Excellent. So perhaps modify purchases to get a pair of silk gloves for her lady hands!

A word of caution... Low-Tech's Silk is not simply DR 1...  it's got a lot of rules that go along with it's write up (specifically Light Cloth Silk Armor is DR 1/2 (Everything/Cutting and Impaling) and negates barbs entirely.


If you mean that regular Silk is simply Light Cloth Armor DR 1 and can be stacked without penalty, that's a bit different...

Because DF assumes only the armor from Basic is being used where Cloth only goes to DR 1 (and most of what can be worn under is Cloth).  Low-Tech has Cloth armor going as high as DR 4... without adding in Silk.  Low-Tech also changes the Layering Armor rules allowing for Heavy Mail (DR 5) to be an under layer...

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 774):

Not entirely sure I understood you, but would not the description of silk in LT apply for all cloth armour in LT?

Yes, silk has a bunch of other wonderful advantages as well, but the DR bonus is only vs cut/imp, in addition to the normal cloth armour benefits.

The layering in LT give some nasty DX penalties, that is true. Silk and an underlay has always been good, but susceptible to wear if not protected from chain! Don't think that wearing holes is factored in in LT though...

Dungeon Fantasy deliberately throws out a lot of optional rules, the entirety of Low-Tech, for example, for 'simplicity'.


Not sure exactly what you mean by this bit.  Yes, the rules for layering in LT apply to all Cloth armor in Low-Tech.  But those rules also apply


And immunity to barbs, and a bonus to HT rolls versus infection, and it negates contact agents...


-1 to DX is identical to Basic.  The "more than one layer" is different and being able to Layer up to Heavy Mail is something for the Narrator to think about.

Also the rules for Layering are slightly different* in DFRPG and Narrator needs to decide which set of rules he's using.


* Specifically
Layered Armor: You can layer some armor, the inner layer adding its DR to that of the outer one (mail adds a flat DR instead of split DR). Permitted inner layers are light cloth or leather (+1 DR), heavy cloth (+2 DR), light mail (+2 DR), and mail (+3 DR). Permitted outer layers are anything with at least DR 3. Wearing an extra layer of armor anywhere but on the head gives ‑1 to DX and DX-based skills unless you have Armor Mastery (p. 28).

i'd thought we were using a hybrid rule set

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 777):

Right. Might be worth mentioning the cost of armour mastery for those that do not have it then...

Yeeesss...   But our Narrator hasn't really delved into this aspect as far as I can tell, so I thought it worth mentioning that the three rules sets disagree a bit.


Also if our Narrator says "Yes, go ahead and use DFRPG" to one person and then we have another using straight Low-Tech and third who uses Basic you get very different results:

Heavy Mail as an under layer in Low-Tech is worth DR 5, in DFRPG and Basic it's disallowed.

Basic and DFRPG would use Mail Shirt (Basic) or Mail (DFRPG) which in Low-Tech and Basic is DR 4, but only worth DR 3 in DFRPG.

And lastly Light mail, which in Low-Tech is DR 3 under layer, DR 2 in DFRPG, and disallowed in Basic (there in no equivalent in Basic).


Also of note, with Low-Tech you can under layer more than one layer making for some truly extreme levels of DR, especially with the Knight's Armor Mastery which is only 5 points.

Be back on tomorrow.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 780):

Sorry I will catch up today. Onboarding a player

half-elf, onna shelf!

In reply to Chye Isuel (msg # 782):

sorry all been working on commissions. Im broke and I gotta get these out

Maketh thateth dinero!

You will likely (Should be and better be) MIA tomorrow as I'm sure the wife would like some attention.