Here we go!

First!

Ardenas has never, as far as I'm aware, met any of the characters currently in "Against the Cult".  He got sucked into that quest without every meeting Lepkur or that plutorcrat, whatever his name was; it was Strong Clair and the barmaid at the guild who pulled Huey, Oly, and Ardenas into that.

However that is, "Day at the Dojo" and "Searching for a Poet" are the threads for that nearly-aborted adventure (which may be getting a second group put onto it, from my reading of other threads -- apparently two days is too slow, or the Guild folks are IC in not even knowing Ardenas, Oly, and Huey are still working that line).

Ah.  Like I said, I didn't go back and reread the thread so much as skim it for who showed up.

I'll be making a "Day At The Dojo/Searching for a Poet" post in a bit.  Just putting together the "Second Expedition to the abandoned abbey" this evening.

Now you did it, you've invoked The Inverse Ninja Rule.

When your entire party dies you have only yourself to blame!

I'm trying to open a portal to the elemental plane of ninja.

In reply to Jin (msg # 6):

You're going to offend Furawa-san if you do that.  He did say he was tired of watching you bleed...

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 7):

That would be the law of conservation of ninjitsu.

PC - Current
PC - In Absentia
NPC

Back Table at the Guild   link to a message in this game
Second Expedition To The Abandoned Abbey  link to a message in this game

Our Contestants From "Back Table at the Guild":
Azrael  Human Exorcist  Link back to this game
Christine Bjorn  Mountian Elf Wizard  Link back to this game
     Chris  Clay Golem  Link back to this game
Dareos Madrigar  Dark One Cleric of Sethygg Link back to this game
Haskel the Crafty  Human Fightingman  Link back to this game

Joined up in "Second Expedition To The Abandoned Abbey" whenthe group formed outside of Northport's gates:
Jednesa  Ogre 'Shirtless Savage' Barbarian  Link back to this game
Stenet Fjall  Dwarf Holy Warrior  Link back to this game


The Guild
Camilla  Human Guild Quest Coordinator  Link back to this game
This message was last edited by the player at 21:50, Mon 04 Apr 2016.

PC - Current
PC - In Absentia
NPC


A Day At the Dojo  link to a message in this game (plotline splits to 'Back Table in the Guild' and 'Hunting for a Poet' at msg #436)
Back Table in the Guild   link to a message in this game
Hunting for a Poet   link to a message in this game
A Day at the Dojo   link to a message in this game (plot resumes in this thread at msg #437)

Meet the Party!
Ardenas Barehand  Human Martial Artist  Link back to this game
Huey Thumper  Half-Ogre Axeman  Link back to this game
Oly  Human(?) Theif  Link back to this game
Christine Bjorn  Mountian Elf Wizard  Link back to this game  - Leaves in "Back Table at the Guild' for the promise of adventure and loot!
Dareos Madrigar  Dark One Priest  Link back to this game  - Leaves in "Back Table at the Guild' for the promise of adventure and loot!
Strong Clair  Orc Laborer  Link back to this game
Kasmir Al Vasari  Human Cartographer  Link back to this game
Renolan  Half-Elf Torchbearer  Link back to this game

Grend  The Orc Typhoon and Smasha Practioner  Link back to this game - Joined the party long enough to wipe the floor with Krosh's students in the first 'A Day at the Dojo'

NPCs about town
Margosh  Orc Smasha Practioner and Jugger  Link back to this game
Rochecko  Orc Bard and Cheerer (for Margosh)  Link back to this game
Krosh  Orc Smasha Master  Link back to this game
Parroshi  Orc Smasha Practioner and Jugger  Link back to this game
Sharalla  Orc Jugger Cheerer  Link back to this game
Lagresh  Orc Smasha Practioner and Grend's Punching Bag  Link back to this game
Grumshara  Orc Smasha Practioner and Grend's Kicking Bag  Link back to this game
Father Robard  Goblin Priest Worried About His Wayward Parishioners  Link back to this game
Goyle  Gargoyle Lives Above the Church  Link back to this game

The Guild
Aemon McCain  Human Doorman  Link back to this game
Unnamed Guard  Kobold Gatekeeper  Link back to this game
Zeelzeel Shadowspear  Goblin High Priest of the Erlking  Link back to this game
Yeoman Charra  Human Undercroft Guard  Link back to this game
Gallardo & Pal  Hobgoblin Guards  Link back to this game
Pallido  Hobgoblin Ex-Jugger and Mentat  Link back to this game
This message was last edited by the player at 16:26, Sun 27 Mar 2016.

And I put this one together again so it's in the current thread (I saved a copy this time).

PC - Current
PC - In Absentia
NPC


The Wastrel's Hope  link to a message in this game
Juniors  link to a message in this game
Against The Cult  link to a message in this game

Original "Wastrel's Hope" Crew
Nodwin Zedqick  Human Initiate  Link back to this game
Grimbo  Goblin Killer  Link back to this game
Mario Crowfoot  Human Archer Link back to this game
Tarnan Darranich  Human Squire  Link back to this game - Went missing in the "Wastrel's Hope"


Joined up in "Junoirs"
Jareth Mooncalled  High Elf Weird Sage  Link back to this game
     Akimbo  Ferret Sidekick  Link back to this game
Clarence Montague  Human Torchbearer  Link back to this game
Charlene LePoire  Human Guard  Link back to this game

Jocelyn Lemru  Human Apprentice Definitely, Maybe a Journeyman Mage  Link back to this game
Brodak  Orc Brute  Link back to this game
Mellarill  Woodelf Archer  Link back to this game

Razakeel Shadowcloak  Goblin Apprentice/Necromancer  Link back to this game
Ludlow the Munificent  Human Apprentice/Fashion Victim  Link back to this game


About Town:
JeanPaul  Human Bartender at the Wastrel's Hope  Link back to this game
Laurence "Low Rent" Cassile  Human Legitimate Business Agent  Link back to this game
Lepkur  Goblin Bookmaker  Link back to this game
Sergeant Lefleur  Human (Asshole) Sergeant of the Guard  Link back to this game
Guardsman  Human (Only Mildly Racist) Guard  Link back to this game
Acolyte Flavius  Human Junior Plutocrat  Link back to this game
Becquerell  Human Gambler  Link back to this game
Quinzel  Goblin Goodwife  Link back to this game
Muurfash  Orc Hooligan  Link back to this game


The Guild:
Aemon McCain  Human Doorman  Link back to this game


The Undercity
Ghula  Foul Creatures From Another Dimension  Link back to this game
Ghast  Fouler Creature From Another Dimension  Link back to this game
Yr-go  Servitor Construct From Another Dimension  Link back to this game
Ymid  Sorceror From Pnath (Another Dimension)  Link back to this game
Offspring  Doombrats, Boombabies, Implosions  Link back to this game
Tenament Dweller  Zombified  Link back to this game
Starving Dog  Scrawny Abused Dog  No Link
Saturnine Cultist Human Chumps  Link back to this game



I'll get "Trading With The Trolls" done tomorrow sometime 9or Sunday).
This message was last edited by the player at 23:07, Sun 27 Mar 2016.

I appreciate these efforts; my npc backlog is huge but I   store their stats and notes on many of them. The rest are on index cards...

Let me also thank you, Jareth, for your efforts in keeping things straight (even if you do insist I once had something to do with the Wastrel's Hope crowd).

I'm just noting everyone who shows up in a thread.


I deliberately skipped the mess of PCs and NPCs in Back Table At The Guild for the moment...

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 14):

Ah!  The light comes on -- I have the same player as Mario Crowfoot, one of the original Juniors; must have missed the name selection on a post.  Let me go back and see if I can still correct it...

Yep, there it is, Message #8, but it won't let me edit (thread is archived).  I'm surprised you didn't pick up Stringfellow Hill the same way, posting in place of Nodwin Zidequick.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:04, Sat 26 Mar 2016.

Aha!  Right then, I'll pull Ardenas from the Wastrel's Hope line up...  I thought that's where he got the quest plot line from...


In this case I knew Stringfellow was off in Shevnia so I reread that section enough to realize it was Nodwin's other character.  But Ardenas was on the Hunt for a Poet plot so I didn't realize he was a misspost.

Which I completely understand.  It feels like I do that every other non-Jareth post, I find myself looking at the finished post going "D'oh!" and having to edit them.


[EDIT]
Also I'm still not sure who is playing who...  I should make a list.

These are the ones I know about (pretty sure of):

Ardenas Barehand - Mario Corwfoot
Stringfellow Hill - Nodwin Zedqick
Huey Thumper - Grimbo
My three: Jareth - Jednesa - Ulo

Less sure of (mostly  strong suspicion):
Grend - Jin - Oren(?)
Jocelyn - Brodak(?) - Mellarill(?)

[/EDIT]
This message was last edited by the player at 15:43, Sat 26 Mar 2016.

Don't lump me in with those assholes.

Oh actually Oly- Jocelyn- Mellarill- Brodak- Johan- Syvanus  ... Oly is mine, the rest I picked up when players left in the middle of an adventure, along with a few more I have returned to the GM on termination of the adventure.

In reply to Oly (msg # 18):

You forgot Christine, Kirpich and Melchizedek, and I did not see Dareos or most of those trading with trolls...

Huh.  I could'a sworn I saw that those three characters were all played by the same person... and the strength of conviction and deep ethical/moral centrism being their character themes....




Copy.



Christine in listed with both A Day at the Dojo and Second Expedition to the Abandoned abbey, as is Dareos.

I haven't even begun to make the Trading With The Trolls list.  Not even begun.  Not sure if I should go back and do the previous quest they were on which has lead directly to their current endeavor or not and include it with it, or just get it when I go back and catalog the older quests.

Oren is weak. Jin's devotion to his master chains him. I am nothing like them. They lack a true killer instinct.

In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 19):

I don't play those, you do...

In reply to Grend (msg # 21):

You neglect Azrael

Azrael is just fine with that.

In reply to Azrael (msg # 24):

will be back on later

In reply to Oly (msg # 22):

As I understand Oly, you don't play many of those listed by Jareth...

I know... but you replied to me in Message #19, not Jareth

In reply to Oly (msg # 27):

I am going to try and resume tomorrow, might not get the rate back until Tuesday

In reply to Narrator (msg # 28):

I appreciate the quicker reply times in the threads.  I know you are busy, but sometimes, like a good story, you just want to know what happens next.  So, I would just like to say that I am sorry for seeming like I am trying to rush you in your responses.

Yeah, I figured as much.  Was just giving you a hard time... heh.

Both Jareth and Ulo are in the 'same boat', Jareth get's around it by hiring a Porter to carry his extra stuff (keeping him to Light which still drops him to Move 4) and Ulo by not owning more stuff than what takes her to Light.



But all kidding aside, there's a big difference between Move 6 and Move 3, if we can get you up to 6... and the rest of the party is also at 6:

Move 3 Travel Speed: 1.5miles/hour
Move 4 Travel Speed: 2m/hr
Move 5 Travel Speed: 2.5m/hr
Move 6 Travel Speed: 3m/hr

The above is without the possible +20% from Hiking (that ship has sailed sadly).


Not sure how far away the Abbey is.  If it's 3 days by Ox Cart that's about 30 miles, 3 days by Horse, probably closer to 75 miles.  3 days by normal human walking speed (Move 4 accounting for a Light Encumberance), probably about 60.  (Accounting for a Good Road the entire trip, no long stops, and 8 hours of travel per day)

Even if we can get Azrael (and everyone else) up to a minimum of Move 4, that's pretty useful.

Also keep in mind that Basic Move rounds down from Basic Speed, and rounds down again after Encumbrance.

Keep in mind, you're only carrying what 6 days worth of supplies?  If it takes 4 days to get there because Azrael is walking slow...

That's why I asked the GM how far the monastery was. I assumed he meant 3 days by the speed of our slowest member.

I hope so...  though he did say 3-4 days travel...

Oh well... we'll just have to make sure Christine sirvives long enough to get us there and back...  though we might want to consume only Created Food and Water for the trip there just in case.  ;)

[EDIT]
And Camilla mentioned 5-6 days travel (presumably there and back again) so we still be okay.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:08, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

Azrael is unwilling to treat Jednesa like a pack animal, and unwilling to treat Christine as a vending machines. In his estimation, it cheapens all of us.

Of course, if there's no other food... that's a different story. :D

Jednesa is fundamentally incapable of arguing that point or even understanding there is an argument being made.

But she made the offer as, well, that's the one thing she's really good at.  Carrying stuff.  And being large.

Okay the two things sge's really good at, carrying stuff, being large, and flagrant nudity...

Among the things she's really good at...  look can we just start over?



Rule number one is "Talking things are not food", so as long as Azrael can keep talking and Jednesa isn't so hungry she's willing to break the RULES...  everything is okay.  ;)

Well if she's somehow survived wandering the wilderness and eating things I'm sure we can find things for her to eat along the way.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 34):

Ummm, Chris cant talk, but he would not be very nutritious, either!

I'm at Move 4 with my pack.  I suspect we'll be ok at that pace since most of us are at or around that.

In reply to Dareos Madrigar (msg # 37):

5he calculation was for a donkey cart.

What's the Move of a donkey cart, and do we have one?
This message was last updated by the player at 14:02, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

African or European?

There are no listing for Donkey Cart (in the GURPS books I checked)... but extrapolating from Ox Cart and 2 Horse wagon in DF 16, I figure probably Move 2 or 3 (median between an Ox Cart's Move 1 and Horse Wagon's 4).


And no, we weren't issued a cart.  However should we find the last group's cart it's free loot.
This message was last updated by the player at 14:48, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

Okay, so we're still moving at slightly faster than "donkey cart speed."

That's good.

that's if the Narrator's Donkey Carts are Move 2 or 3... and not higher.  Donkey's can go up to Move 5.  ;)


Sorry, I was looking at the Stability Rating of a 2 horse wagon.  A horse drawn wagon's top speed is 8 (though I suspect that's an unladen wagon)...

That's an unladen wagon dragged by horses at top speed, which is only sustainable for short periods of time.

"Cruising speed" of animal drawn vehicles is 75% of max (speed 6 for a horse drawn wagon).

Given that a Donkey, unencumbered, not pulling a wagon, has a Move of 5, I don't think it's quite that fast!

In fact, looking it up, horses have a Move of 8.

So a donkey-drawn cart's cruising speed would be 75% of Move 5, or 3.75.

So Azrael's medium encumbrance walking speed is the same as the cruising speed of a donkey cart.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:55, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

Yup, you both crawl along at 3...  :P
This message was last updated by the player at 16:19, Mon 28 Mar 2016.

A perfectly reasonable speed. *folds arms*

It most certainly is.

(Stenet's at move 3, 4 if Jednesa carries his pack.)

"By Sethygg's will, we shall arrive as swiftly as we need to."


Sorry, sometimes Dareos' zealot preachings overwhelm the first O of OOC.

She's happy too, he'll just have to tie to the back of her harness (that's what all the buckles and small d-rings are for).  The big d-rings are for pulling the cart if we find it and no donkeys.



Or if we need to eat the donkeys.  Mmmmm...  fresh donkey...

In reply to Jednesa (msg # 49):

I believe there is a not so fresh donkey on the road to Shevia...

We better not need to go that far for a meal...

In reply to Jednesa (msg # 51):

Sorry about  that. It was a dqy. This is a new one.

Don't know if anyone of you read Critical Hits ( http://www.critical-hits.com/ ) or not, but I was just linked to it... the author multiplexer ( http://www.critical-hits.com/blog/author/multiplexer/ ) has a wicked cynical sense of humor and writing.  I'm definitely falling in love with her style.

And with this there are only two plot threads running (at current) that I haven't put up a Who's Who list for.  I'll get to them shortly.



PC - Current
PC - In Absentia
NPC


The Merchant's Quarter link to a message in this game
Trading With Trolls  link to a message in this game

A Pair in the Merchant's Quarter
Christine Bjorn  Mountian Elf Wizard  Link back to this game
Renolan  Half-Elf Torchbearer  Link back to this game

The Party In The Depths
Johan Stark  Human Knight with a taste for the exotic  Link back to this game
Melchizidek  Celestial Priest of Helios  Link back to this game
Sorsha  Red-haired(?) Elf Wizard  Link back to this game
Mischa  Shadow(?) Elf Sorsha's Cousin, a Cabinetmaker  Link back to this game
Gorgath  Ogre Deepguard  Link back to this game
Aoife  Leprechaun Priestess of Cerrunos  Link back to this game
Lifty  Human Laborer  Link back to this game

Rushagorn Brokadin  Orc Merchant  Link back to this game
Darg Wharten  Human Deepguard  Link back to this game

Joined in the Troll Warrens
Ulo  Trollwife Wizard  Link back to this game

About Town
Marc Sabon  Human Merchant  Link back to this game
Margosh  Orc Jugger  Link back to this game

The Guild
Mythos Songau  Human Artificier  Link back to this game
Xandalar  High Elf Enchanter  Link back to this game

The Troll Warrens
Something in the darkness  A Troll... this time  Link back to this game
Fenric  Troll Archer  Link back to this game
Mikulski  Troll Warrior, Brother to Svetlana  Link back to this game
Angrid  Troll Elder  Link back to this game
Hrunting  Troll Warrior  Link back to this game
Brunhilde  Trollwife  Link back to this game
Troll Champion  Troll Brute  Link back to this game
This message was last edited by the player at 19:45, Wed 30 Mar 2016.

Jareth, I think it's just a crowded bit of corridor.

Probably.  But I figured I should ask just in case.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 56):

Not sure if Celestials shed light, but his staff would be much brighter in any case. Narrator?

Unless you have a different write up Celestials are supposed to have:

Perks: Celestial Nimbus* [1]

* Celestial Nimbus: You’re engulfed in a constant glow. This is as bright as a torch, eliminates darkness penalties in a two yard radius, and can’t be concealed.




Which makes Celestials a really poor choice for Thief and other sneaksy Templates...






I suspect either the Narrator forgot you're playing a Celestial (it happens) or something is dampening your brightness.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:06, Thu 31 Mar 2016.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 58):

I am not as bright as I should be? Now you sound like my teachers...and wife!

Maybe your halo burned out.  I hear that can happen.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 54):

What about the 'In the palace of Sakemoko?'

He said:

Exactly.  The Palace of Sakihaki and On The Road Silver Shevnia I haven't done.

And depending on what direction Hitomi's "Over In Rigo's Office" jumps it could be a third(?), though I strongly doubt it.  That one seems to be a supplemental to the Trading With Trolls.  But it too will get a post if it takes on more PCs or an overload of NPC (or it'll get done when I start doing the archived quests).



Eventually I figure I'll have all the NPCs with links and then I'll make an NPC master list.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 63):

I appreciate some of this; there are over three years of npcs going on; I dislike when there
is a lot of posting without any kind of avatar, even if some of them don't work out well (case
in point, the weird thing I use for people of the pit, who look like angler aboleths)

  Yes, I forgot that Melchizidek glows. Also, a lot of the names are just translational jokes;
in trading with trolls there are troll archers named Üks,Kaks, Kolm and Neli, which are 1, 2,
3, and 4 in Estonian, the language I picked for trollish.  Likewise, Sakemoko is named for his
 oph - Saca Moco in Spansih is booger picking.  Mellarill is an antipsychotic I used to take, and with her personal disads, something she could use.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 64):

Yeah, coming up with names is one of the harder parts in GMing for me, I must say.

Can anyone convey to the management of RPoL that this morning's color scheme is working much better for me?  I can see what I've typed in the dice roller for the first time since I started playing here...

Oh ZOD it must be April 1st... I'd read about this terrible color scheme...  but never imagined the horribleness.

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 66):

My preferred setting is white text on black, with black marble as primary; my choices for color text is based on that (I hope anyone  using default   coloring can even see it.)

Your preferred setting is the default.  It's what I switched to as I can't figure out how to make the text highlighted which the default setting does, but my preferred setting doesn't do (I prefer black with no background pic, but that makes all the text boxes slate grey with no highlighting on the text).

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 69):

Heading out after work, might not be posting until tomorrow

I wonder if the Narrator is using the Banestorm Giants?  With their 'racial' hatred of Ogres and all...  ;)

In reply to Jednesa (msg # 71):

Nah. Just the ones from the latest pyramid

In reply to Narrator (msg # 72):

Any fireproof ones there?

In reply to Narrator (msg # 72):
I haven't read that one yet!  Nifty.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 74):

My next project will be for space opera stock art suitable
for White Star or GURPS Space. So I picked up a hardcopy of that at my flgs... and unlike the 3e Space I had, the damn thing is all fluff! I had to buy the PDF of Ultratech to get
all the tables that used to be there... all to draw sample
characters! Three pdfs on drivethru and three out and I still
 haven't made enough to do more than  pay for the copy of Space I bought.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 75):

Have you loked at Gurps: Traveller Interstellar Wars?

In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 76):

I haven't. Traveller never drew me.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 77):

I'll be posting shortly.  Hadn't realized you were ready for me.

In reply to Walter Goldman (msg # 78):

Thats ok you will be up probably tomorrow.  I will be back up tommorrow as well.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 79):

Sorry to hold everyone up.  At work... reading the thread while on break to get caught up.

In reply to Walter Goldman (msg # 80):
I take it then that the 'old sailor' has not been with the group from the beginning.
[EDIT]
Nevermind, answered my own question when I reread Backroom at the Guild.
[/EDIT]



And Az, you shouldn't curse old Men dispensing riddles!  They're the backbone of the Murder Hobo trade!
This message was last edited by the player at 22:00, Mon 04 Apr 2016.

Huh.  I missed Haskel when I was listing out the party for Return to the Abbey.  He's been added.  Is Szuzana along as well?





Also I noticed something in msg 216 by Camilla link to a message in this game .  PCs with good memory might to refresh themselves of that post as mentions a name we're (Return to the Abbey quest) about to encounter.  Jednesa was neither there to hear it nor capable of remembering it if she were...
This message was last edited by the player at 21:59, Mon 04 Apr 2016.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 82):

Good catch.

I started as an old timer just trying to make a few extra bucks to save up for a boat, but it seems I've been promoted to full time after the outcome of the previous adventure.

Do you guys (and gals) have a wagon or cart or anything like that?



I'm ready to move to the clearing, eat, and meet back up with Mal.  It's been a while since I've been active in the game, so I'm a little unsure of the etiquette the DM prefers for describing the scene.  I somewhat assume Mal is still seasoning the donkey or loading our departed onto the cart.

We have a Jednesa. But no cart, no pack animals, nothing but our packs and whatever constructs we've built to serve as pack animals.

Damn straight.  She could carry the donkey, pull the cart, and still make better time than half the party*.

Walter, you'd probably recognize (I presume the character has Teamster?) that her harness is designed to be hooked up to pull loads (and just tie or strap stuff to).  So a lack of donkey isn't much of a problem.






* Okay, I exaggerate.  Maybe.  Her Heavy Encumbrance is 1080 with a Move of 3... and Donkeys weigh 500 all by themselves.  But load it on the cart and just pull the cart?  No problem.

In reply to Jednesa (msg # 87):

I though you m7ght have spent the time burying the dead, after loading the cart with the saleable gear, bandits   weapons and the like.

Depends on how many there are. Cremation might be more efficient. Then again, I'm betting the ogres are fast diggers, so a mass grave might be faster.

I imagine that was done.

Mal is probably keeping an eye on cooking around the time others walk in.  He has both mundane and magical skill at preparing food.

Alternatively,  he might just now be burying Konrad.

[Private to GM: giving some options for the narrative as the others walk into the clearing]

In his stomach.

Pulled over to OOC...  Unless I miss my guess I think the expedition is over due by one and a half to two weeks?

So they left like just over 2 weeks ago?


I take this from the "on the road to the abandoned Monastery" quest starting February 2014 and "clearing the winecellars" starting July 2014.  The whole "Blue Haired Elf Winecellar Massacre*" happened two weeks ago in game time.





* ;)

Yeah, I want to hear their story about why they're still sitting here in the woods instead of reporting back. Shhh!
This message was last updated by the player at 15:40, Wed 06 Apr 2016.

OOC, the timeline got a little out of whack when some of the other players left the game.

I can edit my post if the 4 days count isn't accurate.

We can also just wait and see if the Narrator has an explanation for you...

That's where I got the "4 days."  :-)

AHA!

Then it's more than possible my math is a bit off.  In other words it might have been only a few days since the "Fire Elf Trollpocalyspe Under The Cellars".

I'm just trying to figure out how long the guild gave them before writing them off, and therefore, how long they've been sitting in the woods eating donkey.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:45, Wed 06 Apr 2016.

I would just like to point out as a Player something my character is too... dim... to realize directly:  Both Wlater and Malga'mar were already veted* for the mission... and still being alive they could continue on without us.

This would leave the current party (Azreal, Dareos, Christine, Jednesa, Haskel, and Stenet) in a bit of a legal pickle should they report back we stole their gear... gear we may very well need.




[EDIT]
* Ah good.  Azrael beat me to the post on this one.
[/EDIT]
This message was last edited by the player at 21:11, Wed 06 Apr 2016.

Nah, no legal pickle. The Guild and our patrons said we were entitled to what was given to the old group. Didn't say it was contingent on the other group being dead. I'm willing to believe the guild + church has more legal sway than Mal and Walter.

But getting them along too would be nice.

...may have said that believing the previous group was dead.  Note, also there is a bonus for bringing back the facts relating to what happened to the original group... this bonus would likely be lost if they report back themselves.


Jednesa may not care about the monies... but... the Player does.  ;)


Legal nitpick:  No one in our group (except possibly Stenet) has actually spoken to the Patron.


Technically true.


Absolutely.  However there is that small matter of "Thou Shalt Not Steal From Guild Members*" to contend with...  they were also given that gear and likewise tasked with the mission.  They have not been relieved of this duty.

My gut says we'd get penalized if we yoink the gear.  The Guild is run by a bunch of ex-Thieves Guilders after all...


I suspect that is the Narrator's intention.

Also... I'm hoping enough of the winery is intact that we can completely cover the minor loses of extending the split to 8 ways instead of 6 (though I suspect the 1200$ is meant to be the lion's share of our haul).  Also another stout 'second line fighter' type and Magus should prove useful.





* I think that's a rule?  It should be a rule.  I hope it's a rule...

I'd disagree only on the count that the guild isn't permitted to reassign resources allocated to the completion of a job from those who failed to complete a job.

I'm not saying they aren't permitted to.  I'm saying... it could get sticky if Walter and Mal are forced to walk home and decide to press the issue...

Again, I suspect the Guild currently believes them dead or in need of rescue.

Remember you were the one raising the specter of "How bloody long did the Guild wait before writing them off?!?!?!" which still hasn't been exactly answered.  I mean... if another group shows up in four days* just as we're getting to the Abbey and decides to requisition our gear because "We were written off"... I doubt any of us would be just peachy with it.

Okay, Jednesa wouldn't care.  But she also wouldn't turn back and head home.  There are demons to kill.  And even more enticing, a Metafor!



* Say if we get waylaid repeatedly, or the wagon breaks, or half the group suddenly develops a nasty case of broken leg.

From what I understand, the supplies were given them contingent on their acceptance of  the mission, not as an advance.

But who knows?

Who cares?

The reality is that the guild can basically do whatever it wants and unimportant individuals have no recourse. I'd think that it wouldn't even ever come to a civil court matter. The guild would handle it internally.

And given that they want these resources applied to this task, I'd think we would be in the clear.

/Shrug

Good chance.

Another bit of a notion for those arguing to kick them to the curb... if they join us we'll be pooling looty.  They already have bandit loot and whatever they didn't bury of their fallen comrades personal gear!

I'm sure the bandit weapons and crap armor alone will cover the $50 less we'll each be getting.

To be honest, neither the bandit loot nor the $50 is that big a deal. I'd jut rather have the help, and they've already been vetted.

I feel ya.  Not makin an argument against ya.

Hey Shevnia crew:  Your janky terrain sounds like a series of berms and ditches, possibly the remnant of abatis or sangar (medieval anti-charge, anti-cavalry defenses).

Though if they aren't long rises and dips... then yeah... cemetery.

We can't hear you from all the way over there.

LOTS of Cemetery it would seem...

I could speak up if it helps.



Hope it's consecrated ground...  ;)

Yeah, but do it in character. Just start screaming advice from your own thread. Thx.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:09, Thu 07 Apr 2016.

Our main issue is scarce food.

Eli had expressed not wanting to bring much because he had ways of getting or making food.

Konrad's gear was relatively good. In particular, his morningstar is (I'd guess) valuable.  I have a list of what he had.

I am unsure about the other characters.

While the mission reward would be split more ways, I imagine having extra help against demons is a good thing.   As I'm low on some basic supplies, I would be more than happy to split my share with Walter in exchange for your group helping with that.

Less money is better than no mission and no money.

I'm not much of a fighter, but I have other skills.

I'm cool with the bandit's loot as spoils of war, but let's not take the dead PCs' gear. If you're going to go through all the trouble of hand-digging them graves, bury them with their grave-goods. We're not in that much trouble that we need to rob the honored dead.

Yet.

Just wait until I get all the points to unlock the kewl Mentalist powers, then I will.

And it wasn't advice, I'd never give advice that wasn't asked for.  It was an observation.






Side note:  I figured out where the Two Weeks confusion came from:

The entire game* has been running for three weeks Game Time.  I was reading the old "Evil** Blue Haired Elven Harbinger Of Burning Trollmaggedon" threads and got confused thinking those were 'two-three weeks ago' game time.



* Which still astounds me.
** From a cerian point of view.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:57, Thu 07 Apr 2016.

Yeah... we have... we have the exact same issue.  A caster who swears Create Food and Create Water are great substitutes for actual supplies.

Though you have a roast donkey.  Bonus!

That's why I bring my own. Who wants to live off of bland-ass magefood? And if the mage dies? After you've eaten it, you're out of luck.

Of course, there's always hunting and gathering. A point in Survival goes a long way.

I have no food-gathering skills. Azrael is a city boy. He goes to the supermarket.

Jednesa's blanket cost 120$.  You do not want to know how much that big wedge of a mace cost.  Didn't end with much left for food...


Shhhh.  You'll spoil the surprise!


You haven't looked at the average Ogre's IQ have you?  One point doesn't go very far on that tank of gas.

And Survival 6 isn't even her lowest skill with points in it.  Kinda sad...


Jednesa is an army girl.  There was a cook tent for food.  And enemy combatants.  Or small allies that no one would miss like Orcs, Goblins, Hobs, Elves, jerkwad officers.

Makes you wonder how ogres survive in the wild if they can't hunt or gather.

In reply to Azrael (msg # 120):

Rule of 12 baby. That's how they survive in the wild.

I will be catching up tomorrow, been getting wrapped up in my WhiteStar  stock art project. This time I can't reuse
character illos from this game...

That's not one I'm familiar with... What is Rule of 12 precious?

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 122):

It was from beastiary in 3e and gave 12 as the number for perception  and sense rolls and innate skills like tracking and survival  without bothering to account for how it costed out.

Ah, right.  The old 3e Bestiary.  Man, it's been forever since I opened that up.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 124):

ogres will eat any meat they can kill/catch and they usually bully the smarter humanoids into setting traps around their lairs for them or to provide the food pilfered from nearby settlements.

In reply to Iskander (msg # 125):

Og hungry!! me smash puny goblins, if not bring Og... a chicken.. and Og think a sheep too. and Og want beer! or man-flesh... but Og want beer, most! go!!

Honestly I suspect they do a lot of sneaking up on unsuspecting berry bushes, ground tubers, and other such plants.  And carcasses of killed animals, like after another beast has had a successful hunt.

Having Resistance to Poison/Disease/Metabolic Hazards (as a power-up) means many Ogres can eat mildly poisonous or spoiled things without a lot of hassle.

In reply to Jednesa (msg # 127):

yeah, the cast iron stomach advantage, for sure

Also there are big tracking bonuses to following people or groups of people. +5 I think? Maybe they eat people because anything else is too hard to catch.

That's an amazing insight.  So Ogres are Humans natural predators...

Did Ales really just get smoked?  Whoa.

Maybe? I don't remember off-hand how death checks work, but I don't think you make them every round.

In reply to Jin (msg # 132):

you make the roll every round til you pass out

Consciousness checks, yes. You roll HT any round you want to do something other than sit there and bleed.

But death checks are rolled only once, as you hit each multiple of -hp (at cumulative penalties). If you pass multiple thresholds, you roll multiple times, but you don't roll again until you hit the next threshold.

If I have 11 hp and get taken down to -1, I roll HT every round until I pass out, unless i just lie there.

If I get taken down to -11, I need to roll HT or die. Along with the rolls to avoid passing out.

If I get taken to -22, I need to roll twice... once for -11, once for -22. The roll for -20 is rolled vs HT-1.

Etc.

But each threshold (multiple of -hp) is only rolled once, when you hit it. And then, at -5xhp, you die automatically as your body is essentially destroyed.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:26, Thu 07 Apr 2016.

In reply to Jin (msg # 134):

okay, well, at any rate he passed out and he's still bleeding out. -6 ht isnt a good way to be

In reply to Iskander (msg # 135):

getting hit by a ton of rubble and being stabbed

I don't know how injured he is, but -6 isn't going to kill you. No death checks required until you hit a negative multiple of your hp.

Of course, if the GM is using bleeding rules, you'll continue to deteriorate.

In reply to Jin (msg # 137):

thats what i told him lol

Wait.... does Ales think we only go to -10 HP like D&D?


Ales, you've got a lot more dying to do boy.  Get up and get to it!

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 139):

he's new to gurps period. i was explaining what i knew to him last night. but i'm stuck in 3e rules for that stuff.

In reply to Iskander (msg # 140):

Let's just chalk this one up to Ales being a bit melodramatic.

Though -6 is nothing to sneeze at.  If he had a 12 HP to start...  Jareth would totes be making actual Death Checks if he took 18 damage.



Hey Iksander, do you have the 4e rules?

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 141):

Especialy since he could have dodged the hard hit! Make a roll on that Ales! That attack came from your right flank, not behind you.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 141):

lol yeah melodrama much. uh... i have a pretty good pdf on some good 4e stuff. but i have all the old 3e compendiums.. so it's been like dogmatic for 20 yrs

In reply to Iskander (msg # 143):

are we using cinematic combat rules frommartial arts? if so, i could be making 3 attacks per round. one attack per 8 pts of skill, and then one additional attack for being ambidextrous. as normal attacks, not an all out attack. i think if i all out attacked i could make yet another attack, or make one at +4

Do you have Trained by a Master or Weapon Master?

There's cinematic, then there's CINEMATIC!

Ambidexterity does not give you extra attacks. It just lets you hold weapons in your off hand without penalty. If you want to make two attacks at once, that's a Dual Weapon Attack, and that gives -4 to skill with both attacks.

Rapid Strike:
Okay, for -6 you get 2 attacks. For -12 you get 3. For -18 you get 4. For -24 you get 5.

Making these using extra effort (flurry of blows) cuts these penalties in half.

If you have TBAM or Weapon Master, that cuts the penalties in half again. (Round up.)

Only ONE of these attacks can be a Dual Weapon Attack.

So if you TBAM or Weapon Master, and a skill of 16, you can make 4 attacks at skill 11. If one of them is a Dual Weapon Attack, then you can make 2 attacks at 7 and 3 at 11.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:30, Thu 07 Apr 2016.

Chambara rules are a bit more crazy than that.

If it's the GURPS Lite pdf, then you have most of the important rules.

If you want I can PM you the Manuevers from Martial Arts that open up some more attack maneuvers (Defensive Attack, half of AoD and regular Attack maneuver, Committed Attack, half of AoA and regular Attack)...


Hmmm.  Enough has changed that some old stuff is no longer applicable... for instance:

Yeah... that's gone.  Replaced with Rapid Strike*:  You can make one extra attack for each -6 you take to hit. So if you want to make 4 strikes each one is at -18.  If you perform an All Out Attack (Double) this replaces one of your two attacks, so you could make the 4 Rapid Strikes as one of your two attacks, getting one attack at skill and the other four at -18.

Unless you have Weapon Master (for the weapon you're using) or Trained By Master, then it's -3 per attack.  Having both gives no further bonuses.

"Ambidexterity extra attacks" are replaced with Dual Weapon Attack.  You can make two attacks (using two weapons, or fists, or weapon and fist, or foot, etc) at either one target for a penalty to their defense or at 2 separate foes that are within striking range without needing a Move or Step.  These attacks are at -4, plus any penalties for Off-Hand attack to the off-hand attack.  Shield, Cloak, and Main-Gauche do not give Off-Hand Attack penalties.


With either method of 'getting extra attacks' these can only replace one regular attack.  So no All OUt Attack (Double) and making a Dual Weapon Attack with the first regular attack and then multiple Rapid Strikes with the second.

This also applies if you have an Extra Attack advantage.  You can only expand one attack into a Dual Weapon attack or Rapid Strike per turn**.


* From Martial Arts 4e, pg 128.  Rapid Strike in teh Basic book only allows for one extra attack, period.
** Unless you can get Altered Time Rate somehow (Martial Artist Chi Power-up or Great Haste Spell), then for each extra 'turn' you can do this as those are full turns.  Which is a big change from 3e!




I felt the same way for awhile...  Like I had every book* for 3e, why did I need a new edition?

Then one of my group decided to run GURPS and picked up the new edition (he was missing a lot of the previous edition and mine were still packed in storage following a move).

I haven't gone back since.  The new rules took (take, I'm still finding small things that are different) some getting used to, but many of the changes are for the better.


* Almost every book.  I'm missing about 20 of them that have never been in reprint and I refuse to pay an arm and leg for on Ebay.  I also have most of the PDFs from Warehouse 23 just in case I decide to run a 3e game ever again.  Which is less and less likely every year.

Not very much. To be honest, Chambara isn't terribly impressive. Slightly better retreating parries, multiple retreats, acrobatic parries are all interesting, but most of the movement stuff only matters if you're using a hex grid, and we're not, so most of the cool Chambara stuff is irrelevant.

And ninjaed by Grend.  That's what I get for checking a page number...


Thanks for mentioning Flurry of Blows Extra Effort I missed it.

But you're wrong about combining Rapid Strike and Dual Weapon Attack:



It then lists Rapid Strike, Dual-Weapon Attack, and Combination (which I forgot about).


Combinations are kinda complex and kinda still work the way they did in 3e.  It's basically a Rapid Strike Technique, so you chain up to 3 attacks and then can buy off the attack penalty.

I was putting together a Spear Fencer and was still interested in unlimited retreats*...  I just haven't broached the subject with the Narrator as I had other characters I was more interested in making.



* The penalties eventually make it a bit 'limited'.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 149):

that would help, cos otherwise i'm not making the most of what i have.

Wow, OOC really moves fast.



Hey, a healthy reputation is hard to get! Many work for years to get that, and she managed it in two weeks!

Never really got into 3e, but I understand one area it was broken was in dealing with 2 1-handed weapons. Especially when they were automatic firearms... 4 does work better I have noticed.

And you did a great job getting it Marie!

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;)

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 155):

Yeah, Marie must be really copping some flak! Mistaken identity works two ways!!!

Only if she also has Mistaken Identity.  Otherwise everyone rightly recognizes Marie as Marie and mistakes Christine as Marie (the brazen town strumpet I'm gathering from the writing on several walls).

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 157):

If we were distinguishable from each other, neither of us could have mistaken identity. Anything that made the 2nd distinguishable from the first would by its lack make the 1st indistinguishable from the second.

I think it's also a luck thing, and how often being confused for the other people is actually a problem for you.

She's distinguishable by one thing:  When someone says "Hey Marie", Marie doesn't give them a dirty look or correct them.

If Marie had Mistaken identity, people would greet her with "Hey Christine!".  I doubt they do... because... Marie is more widely known.  ;)

I don't know her. Should I know her?

Does Mistaken Identity apply to PCs?

According to the writing on a few outhouse walls, everyone knows Marie.


Oh yes.  It's a minor Disad.  Not normally on the approved DF list, but this game takes place in The City and deals with Guild politics... both of which are somewhat "not a normal DF game".

Maybe there should be a thread that encompasses all the stuff we should know about each other. I would otherwise have no idea who Marie is or why I should mistake Christine for her.

Wait.  Rewind.  Now I see what you meant by "Does Mistaken Identity apply to PCs?".

Nevermind my answer.  I thought you were asking if it was takeable by PCs.

At least that Dodge worked.... not dead yet!

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 165):

*points and talks with deliberate slowness* you.....died.....

In reply to Iskander (msg # 166):

PSYCHE!!!! xD

This goes for everyone else too.  If you need a single rule or the extra maneuvers or something out of one of the books or Pyramids, I don't mind typing them out for ya in a PM.

There is so much awesome in most of the books, eventually you'll buy it.
This message was last updated by the player at 02:41, Fri 08 Apr 2016.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 168):

"I am not Christine! Call me that again and no one will know you!"

In reply to Marie (msg # 169):

Be back up tomorrow.

In reply to Marie (msg # 169):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSCv-P5-wgU lol

In reply to Marie (msg # 169):

"Fy hyfryd, I dinna even ken Christine!"

In reply to Iskander (msg # 171):

"Strawberry  girl my ass!"
She says melodiously

In reply to Marie (msg # 173):

Christine does like red stuff, but treat it like strawberry and you will never forget it!

In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 174):

*guffaws*

So I was right?  Damn.

Yeah... should'a been there...

"I'n a total city boy.  Couldn't pay me to go back into t'e woods."


Just a good guess.  Comes from years of playing whit little metal army mens.

The Engineering (Combat) skill would come in useful, I suppose. Maybe just Tactics.

Strategy possibly?

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 178):

In what scales and Periods? i have a few thousands myself...

That I personally own?  Mostly Warhammer (Fantasy and 40K - Dark Elves in both cases).

But that I've played?  All different scales.  The local group used to (not sure where they gather now after the FLGS we played at closed down in '05) have all sorts of guys who'd drag out there favorite games and we play different rules sets and scales for a few months here and there.


Have to admit I really liked the Napoleonic stuff.

I'm a historical gamer... Napoleonics, SYW, War of Spanish Succession (WSS), WW2 air land and sea... some WW1 naval.

Seekrieg...

/shudders

Oh Dear God ... NO! ... I know Rich Sartore distantly, but the game is not at all my cup of tea...  Generally stick to General Quarters 3 (or 1 & 2)

Any game that require advanced mathematics and a slide rule to proplery play... that's not a game anymore.

Agreed ... and not a good simulation either.

In reply to Oly (msg # 187):

that's how i always used to feel when i attempted space campaigns with gurps. esp when dealing with ships and dealing with space combat. i never really found a satisfactory way. i always ended up feeling like i was using a weak system and the whole thing was a farce.

Most of them were written some years ago and suffer with technology which out paced their imagination... and then there are those who love Star Wars... and don't have a clue to what's wrong with the physics shown. Games written for them are true fantasy.

In reply to Oly (msg # 189):

they used the force to create man-portable particle-acceleration devices, and the hyperdrive. lol

In reply to Iskander (msg # 190):

I get around that in the GURPs Interstellar Wars game by holding in 2d and estimating distances. In reality, we don't know the physics because we don't have the tech anyway, so I just try to keep it simple.

In reply to Christine Bjorn (msg # 191):

I had 3e space, buþ never really played it, recently bought 4e and had to get ultratech to go with, but the suppliment to Whitestar that came in I think the February Mythoard had a nice reductive mechanic thstignored the heck out of physics.
I think one has to look a the tropes of space opera the same way we look at spellcasters in fantasy games.

I've run space games and ignored the space aspect... just had the PCs fly to different worlds to do different things (with the occasional and something happens in space - but never actual ship vs ship combat).  But that was because either I had no Pilots (GURPS Star Wars) or the system (Fading Suns) had no real ship combat rules.

I've been in GURPS games that were very technical and highly "scientific" as well as games that were very high space opera.  I have no preference, I liked them both.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 193):

my best charactor was a scout pilot, so it was important for me

In reply to Narrator (msg # 192):

Any technology, if sufficiently advanced, is indistinguishable from magic. Large fleet engagements I am still struggling to keep interesting though.

Clarke's Third Law.  I prefer Niven's Corollary: Any technology you don't understand may as well be magic.

Are we waiting on something in "Palace of Sakemoko", "Against the Cult", and "Day at the Dojo"?

I finally picked up Pyramid 89...

Jednesa upon seeing the Giants:

"Hur, hur.  Weaklings."

Upon seeing the Titans:

"Wow.  Whole lot of man.  Have to climb like tree."

"Jednesa want titan kitty!  Will love it, and cuddle it, and call it George."

In reply to Jednesa (msg # 199):

or death by snu-snu!

In reply to Iskander (msg # 200):

Sorry, I   will catch up tomorrow  had a family thing.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 201):

no worries

In reply to Iskander (msg # 202):

i wanna be a part of another game... i bet i could make a charactor for that hexcrawl.... and win over the xzenophobic players...! :D*

What hexcrawl?

In reply to Oren (msg # 204):

...............

In reply to Iskander (msg # 205):

all i know is that it sounds awesome, but there's a group of players that form a core. they don't like outsiders
This message was last edited by the player at 02:13, Sun 10 Apr 2016.

In reply to Iskander (msg # 206):

i think its a mega dungeon.

What system? What game? Is it here on RPoL?

In reply to Oren (msg # 208):

yeah its here on rpol, and its gurps dungeon fantasy, if i'm right. it's very exclusive, but i think i got the right stuff!

In reply to Narrator (msg # 201):

Glad everything's ok.

In reply to Huey Thumper (msg # 210):

Work has been heavy, and I have had fewer opportunities to catch up. That game sounds awesome.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 211):

I will be back up in the morning, sorry I haven't been able to keep up lately. I am not forgetting  anyone.

In reply to Narrator (msg # 212):

:D

I'd rather you relax and post when you can, than you push out posts and get burnt out.  Relax.  We're all still here.

In reply to Gorgath (msg # 214):

*exaggerated austrailian accent* we're all still 'ere cap'n. eveythin' marked, everything 'membered!

Is Against the Cult just waiting for interpreting Brodak's gestures?

Glad your back, GM!

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 217):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmm3KTa601s

In reply to Iskander (msg # 218):

lol

In reply to Iskander (msg # 219):

Iskander,

I AM NOT a middle-aged Jewish high school teacher.  I AM a spellsword of utmost melodrama and will smite thee with an appropriate sized fireball when we get out of this dungeon.

With all due respect,

Ales Konstantin

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 220):

lol that was meant for our GM. and it was intended as situational humor xD

In reply to Iskander (msg # 221):

Sorry! Couldn't help it. :)

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 222):

oi vey... meshugga!

Ales, you are, however, a good and faithful coppertop -- if you can refrain from dying long enough to pass along your energy.  :)

In reply to Chou-Zhen Mou (msg # 224):

bwahahaha!

I do believe, someone has pushed one of Azrael's buttons.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...e=youtu.be&t=13s

Only replace "scientist" with "necromancer."

I'm always interested in more games.  Especially GURPS.  I'd even like to run one here, but I barely find time to post regularly with one character.  Tried three and it was too much.

If I ever do open one up, I'll post an invite here.

For now, I'm running a GURPS Fantasy game in real life face to face tabletop rpg!

And an intermittent ongoing Dungeon Fantasy game that I run at conventions and special gatherings.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:51, Wed 13 Apr 2016.

In reply to Gorgath (msg # 226):

Overconfidence, greed, selfishness, callous.... kinda fronts nicely against sense of duty:recently dead.

Agreed. :D

I resemble that remark!.... :p

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 231):

lol

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 231):

Just stay close to me and hopefully you will live :)

In reply to Airis Moonshadow (msg # 233):

Sure thing... ;)

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 234):

wooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooo!

That sounds like  train, not the spinning razor blade lady ...

In reply to Oly (msg # 236):
Who me? I am just a simple entertainer. I just entertain with swords really well.

Why do with one strike what you can accomplish with four?

Yes, you entertain so well, you have them falling over in stitches. :)

One should not get close to a cat woman with swirling sword.

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 239):

Or at least needing stitches...

In reply to Oly (msg # 241):

Even better.  Evil ninjas need to be taught a lesson (or two...)

Yes they do. Bad, bad ninja's.

Ales:

The Recover Energy spell doesn't recover energy instantly like that. You don't ever roll it or anything.

Instead, just knowing it at skill 15+ doubles the speed at which you recover FP. 1 every 5 minutes instead of 1 every 10 minutes.

That's literally all it does.

In reply to Oren (msg # 244):

it's kinda like having the fit advantage, which i have. you could stack the effects of being fit with the spell, for some impressive energy regain

In reply to Oren (msg # 244):

Ok, thank you.  Will revise in light of info...

Well, Fit explicitly says it doesn't help recover FP spent on spells or other powers.

In reply to Oren (msg # 247):

really?? that sort of doesn't make sense to me...
This message was last edited by the player at 01:55, Fri 15 Apr 2016.

In reply to Iskander (msg # 248):

it would seem fatigue is fatigue, and once regained, can be used for anything
This message was last edited by the player at 01:57, Fri 15 Apr 2016.

In reply to Iskander (msg # 249):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBaUcYqKoTs

The rule implies that Fit only covers cardiovascular exertion and not magical effects that draw on your energy to function.

Makes sense if you look at it that way, I guess.

No, but it'a great for recovering FP lost to Hiking, Extra Effort, post-combat FP loss, and other completely mundane expenditures.

Some GMs put some of the Heroic Abilities from some templates into "mundane" so the 'classes' like Barbarian, Knight, Scout, and Swashbuckler can recover them quickly post battle.  The fifth template that gets Fit (in DF1) is the Monk, and frankly in my opinion the Monk's Breath Control is superior (but see below).


But... even if it's subpar for you for FP recovery (Recover Energy is better as long as you are conscious) the bene's Fit brings to HT rolls is pretty sweet.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 252):

forces you to learn the spell, then pretty much as a railroading scheme... lol

In reply to Iskander (msg # 253):

oh well, it's the gateway to healing spells.

Fit also helps recover FP lost to enemy combat attacks, whether magical, Supernatural, Squidly, etc.  It's only your own expenditures on "psi or magic spells" that can't be regained with Fit.

If you're allowed to learn them.  Magical/Supernatural Healing tends to be the provenance of Clerics and Holy Warriors Battle Nuns.

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 255):

the +1 to all HT rolls is nice too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfzORpgStQg
This message was last edited by the player at 02:11, Fri 15 Apr 2016.

Tell me more about these Battle Nuns... do they have Holy Nunchucks and the Golden Ruler of Pain?

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 256):

wow... DF sure is rigid. i'm a maveric charactor-type, to be sure.

In reply to Ales Konstantin (msg # 258):

aye, and they fly as well!

Yup.

And Very Fit is pretty sweet if you have a heavy FP burning ability that isn't Psi or Magic.  Some GM allow the Healing Advantage, but so far the only Heroic abilities I've found that would apply are Great Rage (10FP cost, 5Fp maintenance) (Barbarian), Hand of Death (2FP) (Martial artists), Botte Segrete (1-2FP) (Swashbuckler), and the Barbarian Shouts out of DF Denizens Barbarians.

You mean the Two-Handed Ironwood Ruler of Hand Rapping?  Cripplingly painful.



It can be.  The game I run IRL is "by the book", our Narrator is a lot more lax... but I'm not sure of his stance of "Only Holy Templates Get Real Healing Spells".


I know my Troll Wizard can eventually get Lend Vitality... which is kinda like Healing.  And she has Steal Vitality which totally is "Lay On Hands, Heal Myself, Kill You Slowly".  ;)

In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 262):

when i grow up.. i wanna be a wraith!

I need more info on this "nice food" Christine is enjoying, because our priest can only make the kind of terrible bland shit that Create Food gives you.

In reply to Oren (msg # 264):

"we're tired of this manna! we want to go back to egypt!! figs, apples,grapes,pomegranates!"

Christine also prefer the company of her Golem.  It's likely bland is exactly what she wants.

Good point.

In reply to Oren (msg # 267):

Sorry I wasn't on today, might be on later.

You want healing? Wild talent, or (cheaper) power Investiture   all of my witches have PI1 and magery

In reply to Iskander (msg # 263):

Me too!  Maybe Mystra will grant me that honor in the next life...

In reply to Narrator (msg # 268):

wild talent? that sounds interesting.. power investiture might work too, but reins in charactor concept, a bit...

How far down the tree is Steal Vitality?  Sounds like a perfect spell for me to acquire in the future, especially if I come across another horde of evil ninjas, or Chou decides to become passive-aggressive and launches another avalanche on me.

Lend Energy -> Lend Vitality -> Minor healing -> Steal Energy -> Steal Vitality

In reply to Azrael (msg # 272):

looks like that tree shortened much since gurps magic 3e

Sigh!  Looks like it goes down in the long-term goal column....

Not quite.  Using Wizardry Refined (Pyramid 3-60) which fixes a lot of prereq chains for Wizards and Wizards only* (since everyone else gets their spells on a list) that particular chain goes:

			   - Share Energy
Magery 1 - Lend Energy <		     >  - Steal Energy - Steal Vitality
			   - Recover Energy

I know... same number of spells, but you don't have to jump through hoops to get the Healing spell which is supposed to be verboten.


Also, beware:  Steal Vitality is not a combat spell, like Steal Energy it takes 1m to steal the FP/HP.  Every minute your victim loses 3 FP and/or HP (depending on spell, why not cast both?) and you recover 1 FP and/or HP (also the time to cast is 1m/3 drained, so high skill reduces this**).



* For DF, so Wizards can't backdoor into Healing spells via Zombie.
* Which means at skill 20 it's a real nice after battle top up off of unconscious or bound foes (2FPand/or HP/m at skill 20).  In order to be able to use it on unconscious/bound foes in combat you probably want it up to skill 40 which is 1FP and/or HP/2s.  Skill 45 gets it to 1/s.
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In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 275):

it would be cool to create steal health as a combat missle spell, through spell research

I think it would work better* as a touch-based combat spell that grants a HT resist, costs 1-3, deals a straight 3 damage/1FP (heals you 1 HP if the target fails the Resist) takes 1s to cast.  This is based "sort of" on Deathtouch, which has no resistance, but also doesn't heal.

Both spells ignore armor.

You could then use Throw Spell to turn it into a Missile Spell.


(That's going to eventually be my proposal)


* IE, more likely to be approved.  But if you get a straight Missile version passed, let me know.

In reply to Ulo (msg # 277):

Christine combines Create Food to create basic ingredients with Cook to make the food tastier. She worked on a ship as ships cook before taking a more adventurous life.

So you cast create food then take the time to cook and have to bring supplies anyway? Why not just skip "Create food" and cook normally?

"Cook" is also a spell.

Kinda odd question I guess, but...

What's the amount of character discussion and info sharing that's allowed in this game?

I've played in some games where the DM frowned upon the players knowing what was on the character sheet of other characters.

With there being a somewhat large group on the way to the Abby, I'm trying to get a feel for what our party composition is, but I was unsure what questions I could ask OOC.

In reply to Oren (msg # 279):

Create food creates basic ingredients, cook makes a meal out of them.

In reply to Malga'Mar (msg # 281):

yeah, i can see why it'd be frowned on.

No it doesn't.



It turns whatever you cast it on into generic magic "food". Rocks and mud into boring magic ricecakes or whatever. Grass might become, idk kale or okra or other gross shit.

Then Cook turns it into ricecake and kale soup.

But you're still spending 3-5 fp on two skill rolls risking two critical failures, three times a day.

Just bring rations. Or cast Essential Food. That's the good one.
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In reply to Oren (msg # 284):

lolllll

In reply to Iskander (msg # 285):

Okra Winfrey!

Hey, even if you had both skills at 18+ you're still going to roll an 18 and critically fail .05% of the time. If you're casting Create Food + Cook 3 times a day, that's six chances to critically fail every day.

That's a 1% chance of it happening every day.

It WILL happen. Eventually. And then you summoned a food demon because you were too lazy to pack a sandwich.

So pack a sandwich. Don't summon food demons.

Me too.

I was unsure of the norm here.

Just ask IC.

Probably safer.

Interesting question.  I've been presuming sharing info is okay for the most part, but I'm interested if our Narrator has other notions!

In reply to Malga'Mar (msg # 288):

DM: you accidently summon the demon Alakbar snackbar. "Look upon me, mortals and despair... for i am alakbar snackbar...and ihunger for the flesh of sentients...bwahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaa!" DM: fright checks all around, roll!

Or, like my Troll Wizard down-below, use the Season spell* to make your food tastier.

Of course... as far as she's concerned everything organic and non-sentient is food... so that's one tasty stick!  Oh, sorry, I didn't know that fistful of tasty leaves I gave you were poisonous to you!  Man you pink skins sure have frail digestions!




* Which needs a Cooking skill make useful.  Which in this case is Troll cuisine...  Mmmmm, the best hoof, bones, lichen, and slug gumbo you ever did eat!

In reply to Iskander (msg # 291):

d-d-d-don't eat me, your corpulence!

In reply to Iskander (msg # 293):

Essential Food would be better, but she does not know it, and would have to learn too many other spells to learn it. Season is still another spell, with the same risk as cook. Yeah, she risks a critical failure, but such is the life of a wizard!

Now I'm stuck thinking about what the Burger King would be as a DF character.

Definitely a Thief.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o_lzS_O88k

In reply to Grend (msg # 296):

hahaha sneak-king

In reply to Iskander (msg # 297):

there's an unsual surplus of that game in all the used-game stores i frequent.
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In reply to Jareth Mooncalled (msg # 275):

still, it's better than shaq-fu.. that game has to be the all time worst

In reply to Ulo (msg # 277):

Generally, trolls know spell throwing  so they can throw
deathtouch missles, sadly a longer chain in 4e than curse
missle had back in 3e. It is a worthwhile stacking to pursue,
But a pount drain, much like spell archery.

Now, as to summoning food demons.... with cooking (monster) you could turn the tables on old snackbar...

In reply to troll mage (msg # 300):

Yeah, but "cooking (monster)" yields a pretty monotonous (if sweet) diet.