In reply to Rebecca O'Dell (msg # 247):

Your welcome Miss O'Dell. Just for any technical info, if you would like, the carbine had a 20" barrel as combared to the 24 of the rifle and the actual caliber is listed as .32-20.

In reply to Clementine McQueen (msg # 248):

Have a nice day off Clemintine.

It has come to my attention that some of you do not know that I am also Bumbleweed. Yep, that's me :)
I will also be playing my granfather Kristopher Biehn. The reason I am  letting you all know this is so that if you want to talk to Mav, or anyone else for that matter, in a PM and you don't want me to know what is said you would have to rMail them since I can read the PM's. Just thot I'd let you all know, have a nice day and Happy Gaming!!!

Okay, first I need to apologize for posting so much today, but this is the first day I've had to spend a good amount of time on the game. Also, not that it's a big deal and I'm sure no-one really cares but I have changed my name again. In my head and apparently in the head of some others, I thought the name Biehn was Scottish and pronounced 'Bane'
It is actually a German surname and pronounced 'Bean' So I am switching my surname to Bayne. Now, I just have to come up with a name for The Bayne Ranch.

Third time is hopefully the charm Taron Bein Biehn Bayne.

In reply to Temperance Peters (msg # 253):

Lol, thanks Temperance

In reply to Taron Bayne (msg # 252):

My Existence?

I don't understand....

Bane of My Existence?  :P


I shall try to post soon, just need to, ah, catch my breath.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:33, Sun 28 July 2013.

In reply to Lola Montoya Torres (msg # 257):

I knew I was gonna feel stupid when I said I didn't get it....  and I do.
Lol.

very cool beginning, Lola and Taron

Bayne of My Existence

Taron, ya gotta understand, i just couldn't help myself

i was drinkin' a really big margarita at the time

In reply to Molly Malone (msg # 259):

Lol, it's all good Molly, I reckon I asked for it....   Hope you enjoyed your drink :)

Thank you, Molly.  :)  Arriving late you have to make a good entrance, and...  Oh wait, crap.  :S


In reply to Taron Bayne (msg # 258):

I can feel stupid without saying that, so I got you beat.  Now to hope to get time to sit down to scribble and we shall see where it goes!

Is Ranger Battles new to town or has he been in town (perhaps off & on) for awhile?

He's new to town, but not to the territory.

Here's an interesting question about local law enforcement and jurisdiction... since Texas is a State (not a Territory; I believe Texas was readmitted into the Union in 1870), I imagine that the jurisdiction and authority of a U.S. Marshal is somewhat more limited than out in the truly unruly "Wild West".

Basically he's a servant/official of the Federal Government and his jurisdiction/authority only extends to enforcing Federal Laws.

So even though one sees a fair share of US Marshals in old TV shows seemingly acting like the "local sheriff" in keeping the peace, my understanding is that a US Marshal lacks the actual legal authority to enforce either local or state laws.

But then I'm not an expert in this area, so perhaps I'm mistaken?

No for the time, you are correct. Escondido, however, has no local law. The last Sheriff would have been Taron Bayne's father. It is a largely lawless town and the bad element want to keep it that way. That being said, with no local law a Marshal would indeed have authority, though he would be unable to do things such as post a no gun law, since as you said he has to enforce federal law, not local or state. He can't create city ordinance or anything of that fashion as a town sheriff with city council backing might do.

A side note. The real Matt Dillon for instance. He was indeed an appointed US Marshall, but he was also the local Marshall of Dodge City. He was sort of double dipping. He wasn't a gunfighter as the TV series. Not a "fast" gun. He preferred a shotgun to enforce crowd rule. He also only lasted a week or two. lol
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:00, Tue 30 July 2013.

I am not saying there were not jurisdiction questions, but in this period they were very blurred. The development of a strong federal Police Force like the FBI brought more restriction, but remember that heck the Pimkerton's until recently (1875)were a de facto police. Jurisdiction often was how far a man would take it. Law Enforcement was much different then. In a small town thee could be a Marshall, a county sheriff, and a town sheriff all vying for the same power. Each person technically defined, but in practice not so much

Much changed after the James gang debacle.

They thought the James gang was home and attacked. Used some type of incendiary devise (Not certain what Exactly) Killing younger non gang brother and severing mother's arm. Things change drastically from there.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:45, Tue 30 July 2013.

Edward you have a much inflated idea of what the Pinkerton's were. They were security guard's and thugs. Union busters for the most part. In the early west that we are playing they were no more than bounty hunter's who were more often than not wrong about who they brought in for bounty. The Pinkerton's tactics led to the death of Jesse James' 17 year old brother, an innocent, and the loss of his mother's arm. The Pinkerton Law was enacted for a reason. They were never a "police force". Did Pinkerton use some early investigative techniques that later became common place? Yes. Did he or his organization create any of those techniques? No.

And the Pinkerton's always worked in groups. They were cowards for the most part. Name me one Pinkerton agent who's name stands out in history. A single individual. You'll find that most of the notoriety of The Pinkerton's were self penned books of men who wrote about themselves, not history recorded by outside observer's.

The fact of the matter is, even Alan Pinkerton's claim of breaking up an assassination attempt on President Lincoln can't be corroborated.

As far as the blurred lines of legal jurisdiction of the time we play in, you are fairly right. They were blurred. A US Marshal has jurisdiction across the whole country though. Seldom did a US Marshal fight over perceived power like county and city officials did. And the Pinkerton act was enacted in 1893, so it isn't "Until recently".

Question: Is Cyrus's "title"... Deputy or Deputy Marshal or Marshal?

From my reading (mostly wikipedia, source of ALL knowledge), it isn't entirely clear how someone like Cyrus would be addressed.

Technically as "non-management" level, he is a Deputy US Marshal (I believe the actual US Marshal, no "deputy", assigned to the area tended to be more of a political appointment or at least a senior lawman who probably didn't ride out on his own for the most part).

That said, in everyday conversation I'm not sure if he would introduce himself and/or if others would address him as "Deputy Jericho" or "Deputy Marshal Jericho" (though that sounds like a mouthful) or just "Marshal Jericho" (with the "deputy" implied but unstated)?

As a member of the US Marshal service you would be addressed as Marshal, regardless of rank within the service. Those conscripted into service by a Marshal would be called Deputy. This stands to this day where the US Marshals have actual rank as in the military. Lieutenant, Captain, whatever, their rank does not reflect on the title. It is Marshal.

Maverick everything I have pretty everything I have said. As I said De Facto Lawmen which in itself says they were never a police force.  Like Bounty Hunters they relied on Contract and warrants issued by a judge. Almost always federal. They had jurisdiction by contract in many areas that the FBI and other Federal organizations now have. Basically, in 1870's with the James Gang Fiasco and the stepping away of Alan Pinkerton they become pretty grapy people, but prior to that they were much relied on by the Federal Government. Right or wrong.

Again, you are correct they were not original. Most of their organization said was due to copy catting England.

Two famous Pinkerton, one good, Charles Siringe, and Second, Tom Horn.

The first infiltrated by himself according to most lit into Butch Cassidy's Wild Bunch. Second, he stood against a lynch mob to protect Clarence Darrow.

Prior to all this From what I understand the Pinkerton's brought down the Reno Brothers. I am not saying historically I am a fan, but many were skilled men from the time.\

Finally, for the last time. I am not a fan of the Pinkerton's I simply thought playing counter to the Loveable image of the marshal or ranger. I would play some one who is good that is plagued by what he must do in his work. So, I please ask that you stop trying to think I am trying to make the Pinkerton's as heroes. That is not my goal. But, a man can be a hero though he be a Pinkerton.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:03, Tue 30 July 2013.

LMAO!!! Most people don't know Tom Horn worked briefly for the Pinkerton's. Well done on the study there. Tom Horn was an unparallelled tracker in his day. In the Wilderness. Pinkerton hired him for his name because he brought in Geronimo. Horn took the money and quit. He didn't like the Pinkerton politics. Tom Horn was never really a Pinkerton agent. he was a hired tracker because he was the best. And he had a name. They needed publicity.

As far as Siring0 is concerned? Another man who wrote a self penned false account of his exploits.

Stay away from Wikipedia when looking for your facts my friend. Siringo was a good cowboy at best. Not detective or hero. He never infiltrated the hole in the wall gang as he claimed. It was all self penned. All lies

As most dime novels of the time were. Look to historians for your facts. Not Wikipedia.

That did not come from Wikipedia


 If proven false now. Uncertain. I am simply quoting texas historical Association.

Funny thing is at the end the Pinkertons were his thorn stopping publishing of one of his books