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OOC Discussion.

Posted by DMFor group 0
DM
GM, 7 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 10 Sep 2013
at 14:11
  • msg #1

OOC Discussion

Rules questions or other comments that make more sense coming from the player than from the character go here.  I'll kick things off.

Everyone has been assigned a color for their character to use while speaking.  It follows this breakdown:

Mooks
Important NPCs (Red)
Important NPCs Controlled By A Guest/Not-the-DM (Blue)
Chris (Green)
Sarah (Dark Blue)
Ashley (Lavender)
Andrew (Aqua)
Jon (Yellow)

Normally, you'd be free to choose any color you wanted, but we have a colorblind player in the mix, and we determined through painstaking trial and error that this is the only setup that really works for him.

If you'd like to trade colors with another player, of course, you're welcome to do so.  Just limit the pool to the colors listed, and do not duplicate the color of another player.

Let me know if you have any questions or concerns!
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:57, Tue 17 Sept 2013.
Keef
player, 1 post
Thu 12 Sep 2013
at 20:21
  • [deleted]
  • msg #2

Re: OOC Discussion

This message was deleted by the player at 16:51, Mon 16 Sept 2013.
DM
GM, 19 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 16 Sep 2013
at 17:16
  • msg #3

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 1):

Worth mentioning: I'm going to describe things mostly assuming you "took 10" on your perception rolls, and most other rolls made when you're not in a hurry, unless you specifically say you're rolling it and then do so.
Keef
player, 3 posts
Hero in training
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 14:38
  • msg #4

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 3):

In addition to colored dialogue, I have found selecting a character image to be very useful in quickly remembering who is who.

Under the "Character Details" Tab you just click on "Change Portrait".
Boreas Highwind
player, 2 posts
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 14:44
  • msg #5

Re: OOC Discussion

Re: the "taking 10" on perception:

I'm fine with that for mundane stuff; for things like stealthy enemies, if they roll, I don't mind taking 10.  Just as long as it's not like "Oh, this trap is a DC 20 to spot, but you only have a +9 on your perception so you don't see it."
DM
GM, 20 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 14:47
  • msg #6

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 4):

I second this; the portrait is a huge help
Keef
player, 4 posts
Hero in training
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 16:22
  • msg #7

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 6):

on that note, fantastic picture for Baldwin.
DM
GM, 21 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 16:27
  • msg #8

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 7):

Thanks. It just seemed appropriate.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:28, Tue 17 Sept 2013.
DM
GM, 22 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 16:50
  • msg #9

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 8):

I'd also advise everyone to take a peek at the bio information for Baldwin of Blakehaven and Sir Giles Thistleworth in The Cast page.  Baldwin is an NPC, and Sir Giles is a (N)PC, controlled by another "player" who will be helping me from time to time by commanding important NPCs.  We'll be on the same page, never fear.  He will not be using DM Red, but another color.  Bright blue, I believe, will work for our colorblind friend.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:00, Tue 17 Sept 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1 post
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 19:16
  • msg #10

Re: OOC Discussion

I will use this portrait until I find one that is more suitable
DM
GM, 23 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 19:44
  • msg #11

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 10):

Works for me.  I'm going to leave DM blank, but Baldwin and Giles are both equipped with something workable.
DM
GM, 24 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 17 Sep 2013
at 22:22
  • msg #12

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 11):

I've added one to Chris and Sarah's characters as well.  I was testing whether or not they populate in reverse on the forums, but I learned what I set out to learn.  They do not.

Feel free to update your portraits as desired!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 3 posts
Wed 18 Sep 2013
at 17:21
  • msg #13

Re: OOC Discussion

Hey all, just updated my physical description finally. Character sheet inc. tonight, as well as another post when I have access to a keyboard that isn't an ipad.

And hopefully also something from the last member of our party...
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 1 post
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Thu 19 Sep 2013
at 01:06
  • msg #14

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 13):

Giles Thistleworth is done and ready for GM review and what have you. Very much enjoying the voyeuristic spectation so far.
DM
GM, 26 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 19 Sep 2013
at 01:27
  • msg #16

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 14):

fantabulous.

Your color is "blue".
DM
GM, 28 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 19 Sep 2013
at 16:48
  • msg #17

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 16):

Just wanted to remind folks to keep an eye on their Private Messages.  They can be overlooked sometimes due to RPOL's interface, but I'll often use them to send important details along to select people.
DM
GM, 35 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 20 Sep 2013
at 17:41
  • msg #18

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 1):

I have added a "loot list" to keep a running tally of the items found during your adventure.  It will not say who has what, however; that's up to you.  I recommend checking it from time to time, as it will not pop up as "new" every time I edit it.
DM
GM, 37 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 20 Sep 2013
at 21:03
  • msg #19

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 18):

The player controlling Keef will be entering "autofollow" for a little while as he deals with some family matters.  Fear not - all is well.  His life just got a little more complicated, is all, and he's ask that I help keep things moving along for a little bit.

This is a good time to mention "autofollow" mode, by the way.

If for any reason you have to leave the game for a few days/weeks/months/etc., just let me know and we'll put your character into a holding pattern.  I will do my best to represent the character's actions faithfully, according to how you've been playing him and the background information I possess.

Important: Autofollow characters are special in that they have very, very thick plot armor and they will not take part in combat in any way that risks damage.

Thanks for understanding!
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:04, Fri 20 Sept 2013.
DM
GM, 44 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 04:38
  • msg #20

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 19):

If you are a spell caster with prepared slots, please PM me your chosen spells at "dawn" each day.  Thanks!
Boreas Highwind
player, 18 posts
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 12:06
  • msg #21

Re: OOC Discussion

Might be a good idea for each prepared spellcaster to have a "standard list" and then PM you any deviations.  Saves a lot of bookkeeping on both ends.
Keef
player, 14 posts
Hero in training
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 15:43
  • msg #22

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 21):

I'm back, more or less!

My time and attendance might be spotty for a few weeks but I'm here!
DM
GM, 51 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 15:47
  • msg #23

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 22):

Excellent. I'll take you off autofollow for now.  You're currently top o' the initiative list, beginning next round.  Zuriel and Lyriel and the archers and Filbert have yet to act in the current round.  If they survive... you'll kick off the next one :)
DM
GM, 52 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 15:47
  • msg #24

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 23):

And I hope I did justice to your youthful exuberance.
Boreas Highwind
player, 22 posts
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 17:18
  • msg #25

Re: OOC Discussion

How did Zuriel cast Daylight?  It's a third-level spell.
Boreas Highwind
player, 23 posts
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 17:25
  • msg #26

Re: OOC Discussion

I have a feeling we'll be seeing a lot of tripping in the coming fights, so here's a quick rundown on how it works in 3.5.  This is, of course, particularly relevant to Sarah, but good that we all understand it.

A trip attempt takes place in two steps:

1. Melee touch attack against the opponent (provokes AoO unless you have Improved Trip or a tripping weapon; Maeve has both, so no AoO).

2. Strength check opposed by either Str or Dex.  Maeve currently rolls 1d20+7 on this check.

3. If the check fails, opponent can try to trip you back.  Maeve can drop her weapon to avoid being tripped in this way.

4. If Maeve trips an opponent, because she has Improved Trip, she gets a free immediate melee attack on that opponent.  This is at a +2 bonus because the opponent is prone.

You can try to use trip to pull a rider from his horse.  If you do, he can use a Ride check instead, if he so desires.  Creatures get +4 for each size category above medium that they are, -4 for each category below.  Also get +4 for having more than 2 legs.

Hope that's helpful
DM
GM, 55 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 17:47
  • msg #27

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas Highwind:
How did Zuriel cast Daylight?  It's a third-level spell.


In a legal way.  For now, that's all you need to know :)

The trip attack information is helpful to have posted here.  The man didn't stand a chance.
Boreas Highwind
player, 25 posts
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 18:09
  • msg #28

Re: OOC Discussion

The "pulling-down-a-rider" part is good to know.  I wasn't aware of that til I looked it up.
DM
GM, 57 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 23 Sep 2013
at 18:10
  • msg #29

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 28):

It is!

Side note: did anyone tie up the prisoner or what? It looks like he's been left in Keef's care...
Boreas Highwind
player, 29 posts
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 02:50
  • msg #30

Re: OOC Discussion

So let me make sure I have this right.

The bandits had time to meet up with their fallen comrades, calm the fleeing horses, remove the unconscious bodies from them, mount them, ready weapons, and saunter casually our way - in the six seconds it took us to complete a one-round bout with some archers.

Just checking.

Heh.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:04, Tue 24 Sept 2013.
DM
GM, 66 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 04:19
  • msg #31

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 30):

The bodies of the previous riders litter the road. The horses have been gone for some time. Especially the first one.  You had to run down the road and look at things.  The remaining bandits were not far away, and may be better at calming horses than you know.  Mount and ride back, and we are where we are.
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:23, Tue 24 Sept 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 30 posts
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 04:57
  • msg #32

Re: OOC Discussion

I won't begrudge you a few sprinkles of DM fiat here and there. ;)
DM
GM, 68 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 13:09
  • msg #33

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 32):

I should hope not!  It can be useful from time to time.
DM
GM, 69 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 13:15
  • msg #34

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 33):

I did a poor job making this clear; you don't HAVE to keep what all the items you gained do a secret if you don't want to.  If you'd like to have the information about them made public (as in, here, read the paper!), I will decode them on the loot list.  Currently the instructions on how to use each item are already on the Loot List thread, just tagged as "private" to whomever as read the paper.

I presume everyone is playing close to the chest on purpose, which is fine, but I wanted to make sure :)

Also, I think we should all take a moment to congratulate Keef for successfully completing an encounter without dying.  Go team!
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:19, Tue 24 Sept 2013.
Keef
player, 19 posts
Hero in training
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 14:32
  • msg #35

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 34):

Y'all killed an archer and a swordsman, right?  presumably then there's an 'un-owned' sword kicking around?
DM
GM, 70 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 14:38
  • msg #36

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 35):

Zuriel collected the swordsman's things and set them aside - ostensibly they are in the cabin somewhere, yes.
Boreas Highwind
player, 43 posts
Tue 24 Sep 2013
at 22:02
  • msg #37

Re: OOC Discussion

So, in the future, we should probably develop a defined watch order and use it every time unless we see the need to deviate.  That way we won't bog down the game.
DM
GM, 94 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 11:22
  • msg #38

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 37):

Loving the conversations and interactions at luchtime.  Awesome stuff! You guys and gals rock :)

We'll proceed soon as I know which path you're pursuing.
Maeve
player, 34 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 12:02
  • msg #39

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm still curious about the raciest stump, and how it is any more racy than any other stumps we've so far come across ;)
Keef
player, 26 posts
Hero in training
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 12:44
  • msg #40

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 39):

Didn't we also see a stump in a lacy nightgown?  That was pretty racy too...


...sorry
DM
GM, 95 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 13:30
  • msg #41

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 40):

Oh, take all the time you want exploring the clearing and enjoying each other's company before you leave. I just wanted to make sure everyone understood that this is a crossroads moment in terms of the path you take.

Carry on!
Keef
player, 28 posts
Hero in training
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 14:57
  • msg #42

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 41):

Guys, I feel like the GM is hinting at something, but I just can't figure out what...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 49 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 15:41
  • msg #43

Re: OOC Discussion

I thought there was only one path, the other being a spur that led up from the river?
DM
GM, 99 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 15:52
  • msg #44

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 43):

there are two paths: further into the woods, or down toward the river.

Also, I have removed some of the private tags from the loot thread, to correspond to the information shared by several party members.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 53 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 18:40
  • msg #45

Re: OOC Discussion

Do we want to keep a running tally of gold we accumulate as a party? That way we can have a common pool from which to pay for general expenses, and/or divide up the spoils easily at intervals so everybody doesn't have to be constantly micromanaging their wallets?
DM
GM, 103 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 19:02
  • msg #46

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 45):

Licking your lips at the prospect of more treasure, paladin? :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 57 posts
Thu 26 Sep 2013
at 19:11
  • msg #47

Re: OOC Discussion

Heh, actually not so much. I'm more interested in information at the moment. Ignati would approve ;-p
DM
GM, 108 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 27 Sep 2013
at 14:15
  • msg #48

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 47):

That's the spirit!

New update in the Games folder.  It might not have lit up properly since I just edited yetserday's micropost.
Boreas Highwind
player, 73 posts
Sat 28 Sep 2013
at 15:48
  • msg #49

Re: OOC Discussion

We need a little more info in combats in the future.  How many other combatants are there exactly, and of what type(s), and where are they in relation to us?  What kind of stuff is in the room and where is it?

And if something like that color spray happens, we need to know how many people it hit and what it did to them.

Excited to see how this turns out, though.
DM
GM, 118 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 28 Sep 2013
at 15:52
  • msg #50

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 49):

I thought it was pretty clear that the twin cones caught all 12 in the spray, and rendered them all unconscious.

The room I described before. Banquet hall, shitton of tables and chairs, silverware and food remnants laying around, head table perpendicular to the lot, you're at the far end of the Gold table, which is in the middle, Giles and Chief are near the head table, the jurors on the far right-end of the hall, at the Green table.

There are a total of 15 jurors, 3 from each sect, all currently down except for the 3 Bluebands.  The room also contains the Chief, 5 PCs, 1 heroic NPC, and a toad.

The doors you entered from are the only entrance or exit to the room. You are underground, so there are no windows.
DM
GM, 119 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 28 Sep 2013
at 16:17
  • msg #51

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 50):

Nice stuff so far!  I'll do a better job with distances and such in the future.

Two notes: 1) Despite the direct question, I'm going to wait for the chief's natural turn to respond.  2) I've uploaded a basic map of the world.  Hae'driel is point #5.  I'll put a key up soon.

More maps and such in the future, as well.  Loving things so far. :)
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 4 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 02:34
  • msg #52

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 51):

..I'm a womanizer?

I would assert "enviable lady's man" and "womanizer" are vastly different concepts.

It sounds to Giles Thistleworth like Maeve hates the player, and he would strongly suggest she should instead hate the game.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 79 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 16:10
  • msg #53

Re: OOC Discussion

Updated my held post!
DM
GM, 122 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 16:29
  • msg #54

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 53):

Noted :)
DM
GM, 124 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 17:54
  • msg #55

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 54):

I'm not clear on the breakdown at the moment.  Does this sound correct:

Maeve, Lyriel, and Boreas at the camp; Zuriel, Keef, and Giles down the path?

Or does Boreas go with Giles and Co. as well?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 81 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 17:56
  • msg #56

Re: OOC Discussion

I think the former is correct. Unless Boreas would like to come in spite of Giles' suggestion not to leave a group without a woodsman.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 9 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 18:00
  • msg #57

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 56):

To those who know me IRL, it figuratively kills me to have to be the voice of reason.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 82 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 18:13
  • msg #58

Re: OOC Discussion

Hehe, well I suppose that *is* your job as (N)PC
DM
GM, 125 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 18:15
  • msg #59

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 58):

Personally, I adore any plan that leaves two lovely young women alone in an enchanted forest.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 83 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 18:20
  • msg #60

Re: OOC Discussion

This isn't going to result in people having to make a Will save, is it? And by Will save I don't mean the saving throw associated with Wisdom.
DM
GM, 127 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 29 Sep 2013
at 23:33
  • msg #61

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 60):

quote:
18:21, Today: Boreas Highwind rolled 26 using 1d20+6. Perception.
16:45, Yesterday: Boreas Highwind rolled 20 using 1d20+1. Sleight of Hand.
16:33, Yesterday: Boreas Highwind rolled 24 using 1d20+5. Hide (Take Orb).
21:31, Fri 27 Sept: Boreas Highwind rolled 20 using 1d20+6. Perception (Watch for Threats).
21:31, Fri 27 Sept: Boreas Highwind rolled 21 using 1d20+2. Sense Motive (Read the Room).


I don't know what horrible deal you've made with the Dice Gods, Chris, but holy crap you can do no wrong.
Keef
player, 47 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:03
  • msg #62

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 61):

I'm certainly not insinuating anything, but in another game on rpol, I've noticed what seem like "sticky" rolls from the dice roller.

However, that was when I made a series of about 10 rolls so that's a little different.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 11 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:09
  • msg #63

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 61):

"Boreas" has also tossed the most dice far and away. All things tend to the norm fair GM. Believe in the power of statistics, and when the fails, believe in the power of SHUT THE FUCK UP GM INTERVENTION
Zuriel Silendril
player, 86 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:11
  • msg #64

Re: OOC Discussion

A wizard did it
Zuriel Silendril
player, 87 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:12
  • msg #65

Re: OOC Discussion

Tell me Boreas. What do you know about Witchaloks?
Keef
player, 49 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:21
  • msg #66

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 65):

safer than Witchelopes?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 88 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:39
  • msg #67

Re: OOC Discussion

Not quite. The triple wand claws will get you every time.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 89 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:42
  • msg #68

Re: OOC Discussion

But yeah, the dice roller has been pretty random for me. I think Chris is just lucky. He should enjoy it now while it lasts and bemoan his fate later when he inevitably crit fails six times in a row.
Maeve
player, 52 posts
Eastern Warrior
Big Fan of Tea
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:44
  • msg #69

Re: OOC Discussion

It would be nice if his luck held out a little longer since I'm 95% sure that terrible things are coming to eat us right about now.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 12 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:46
  • msg #70

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 69):

Good thing SOMEONE made sure you had a woodsman with you to detect such danger..
Boreas Highwind
player, 82 posts
Eye for an Eye
Leaves the World Dead
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 00:51
  • msg #71

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm sure this will bite me later in far more dire circumstances.

Also, @Keef: Don't forget that Chubbs gives you +2 Perception while he's nearby.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:56, Mon 30 Sept 2013.
Keef
player, 50 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 11:56
  • msg #72

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 71):

only if he feels like it
Maeve
player, 53 posts
Eastern Warrior
Big Fan of Tea
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 12:33
  • msg #73

Re: OOC Discussion

Really?  I thought toads only gave you three extra hit points.  Chubbs is AWESOME!
DM
GM, 128 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 12:49
  • msg #74

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 73):

The extra Perception has been rolled in to this point.  If you want Chubbs to be stingy with it, let me know.  Typically it works whenever they are close enough to you to grant the buff.

In other news, yes, Chubbs is awesome.  P.A.R.T.Y. MVP 2013?
Keef
player, 51 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 13:57
  • msg #75

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 74):

He's normally willing to help.
Keef
player, 52 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 14:52
  • msg #76

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 75):

Wow, arrows hurt!

DM, you can assume Chubbs is helping at most times.

As a rule, I'm not making any voluntary Perception checks besides those the DM is making automatically.

I feel Keef is normally too distracted to put much active effort into noticing much.
DM
GM, 132 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 14:58
  • msg #77

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 76):

Works for me!

Also, arrows typically deal 1d6 damage + str modifier, depending on the bow, and sometimes more with other feats.

This was just some piss-poor luck on the PCs part. I rolled two natural 20s and an 18, and one of the 20s confirmed for a crit.  The damage itself was less than it could have been given those odds, but still, very unlucky for two PCs with AC=17 each.

I guess those Chris-20s caused karma after all...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 91 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 15:02
  • msg #78

Re: OOC Discussion

Plus strength? If the bandits have compound bows we totally need to snag those after the fight, assuming you don't all die horribly. Pretty well equipped for bandits.
DM
GM, 134 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 15:19
  • msg #79

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 78):

I didn't say they were getting such a bonus.  I just said it could be added in some cases...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 92 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 15:21
  • msg #80

Re: OOC Discussion

I remember Agar loved hims some compound bows
Maeve
player, 56 posts
Eastern Warrior
Big Fan of Tea
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 15:35
  • msg #81

Re: OOC Discussion

Out of curiosity, what are the 3.5 rules for healing w/out magical aid?  I'm familiar with the rules for 4E (healing surges) and those for Savage Worlds (you're horribly crippled for life, sucks for you), but I've got no recollection what happens in the system we're using.  I feel like it's something like "you heal X points every Y hours" but maybe that's wrong.

This is of immediate interest as I think Lyriel is tapped out of healing stuff for the day, but would be good to know in general.
DM
GM, 135 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 15:41
  • msg #82

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 81):

You generally heal a certain amount per day, though the number is piddly at best.

Natural Healing
With a full night’s rest (8 hours of sleep or more), you recover 1 hit point per character level. Any significant interruption during your rest prevents you from healing that night.  Full day of bed rest will double the amount healed.
Keef
player, 53 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 15:43
  • msg #83

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 82):

no problem, just sleep for, what, 56 hours straight!
DM
GM, 136 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 15:45
  • msg #84

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 83):

Well, this is why most parties purchase healing potions and bring Clerics with them :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 93 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 16:31
  • msg #85

Re: OOC Discussion

Also I think Chris should be getting at least a 25% concealment from hiding behind the women.
DM
GM, 138 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 16:47
  • msg #86

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 85):

We'll see :P

Beginning in Chapter 02, we'll be using Minion Rules for bullshit mooks like the mi'driel troops.

That means, essentially, that they will deal nonvariable damage and have exactly 1 HP, with the ability to "save" vs AOE damage to avoid being harmed.

This makes it easier to track and easier to predict how dangerous they are.  Any objections?
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:48, Mon 30 Sept 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 85 posts
Eye for an Eye
Leaves the World Dead
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 16:47
  • msg #87

Re: OOC Discussion

Ha. Ha.  With all  nine of my hit points.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 94 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 16:51
  • msg #88

Re: OOC Discussion

Which is the same as Lyriel, iirc ;-p
DM
GM, 139 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 16:56
  • msg #89

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 88):

This DM has no problem with the DPS hiding being the healer.

None whatsoever.
Boreas Highwind
player, 86 posts
Eye for an Eye
Leaves the World Dead
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 16:56
  • msg #90

Re: OOC Discussion

Fair, still, needed a clear shot, for all the good it did.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 95 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 17:01
  • msg #91

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah, go snake eyes :-(
Keef
player, 54 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 18:26
  • msg #92

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 91):

This might be OOC knowledge... but any chance one of us notices the noises of battle and gives us a chance to charge to the rescue?

Naturally, and I apologize to our allies in combat, it won't be Keef who notices...
This message was last edited by the player at 18:27, Mon 30 Sept 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 96 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 18:30
  • msg #93

Re: OOC Discussion

They are like an hour away. So I would say no.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 97 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 18:31
  • msg #94

Re: OOC Discussion

They must face the gazebo alone
Keef
player, 55 posts
Hero in training
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 19:21
  • msg #95

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 94):

but... the Gazebo is too powerful!  Arrows have no effect!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 98 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 19:30
  • msg #96

Re: OOC Discussion

Don't worry, I think we get our own horrible demise to look forward to.
Maeve
player, 60 posts
Eastern Warrior
Big Fan of Tea
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 20:37
  • msg #97

Re: OOC Discussion

Hell, I'll be looking forward to any fight that doesn't involve myself.  I had to give a Powerpoint presentation on a report on the state of digital preservation in the UK and was a nervous wreck the entire time as I pondered the fate of my fictional character.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:37, Mon 30 Sept 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 90 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 22:59
  • msg #98

Re: OOC Discussion

Not that I'm complaining, but it just occurred to me.  How did Lyriel cast a Cure Light for 12?
DM
GM, 147 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 23:04
  • msg #99

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 98):

I was told 1d8+4, so that's what I rolled.  I can look into it more later if you'd like.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 100 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 30 Sep 2013
at 23:06
  • msg #100

Re: OOC Discussion

1d8 + 2 for her caster level (DM ruled that positive energy spells benefited from the Good domains +1 to caster level for good spells), +2 for her Augment healing feat. Now that she is level 2 it will be 1d8+5.
Boreas Highwind
player, 92 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 1 Oct 2013
at 02:18
  • msg #101

Re: OOC Discussion

If our illustrious DM wants to make that ruling, I'm certainly not going to argue.
DM
GM, 155 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 1 Oct 2013
at 16:45
  • msg #102

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 101):

House Rule concerning Dodge, just assume you're always dodging whoever is attacking you unless you've lost your dex bonus due to being flatfooted or ensnared.  It's much easier.  The Feat Dodge essentially grants +1AC unless disabled.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:18, Tue 01 Oct 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 94 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 1 Oct 2013
at 16:46
  • msg #103

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 102):

That's how Pathfinder does it, and I think they made the right call too.
Keef
player, 59 posts
Hero in training
Tue 1 Oct 2013
at 17:09
  • msg #104

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 103):

ok, fine by me.  thought the site said I need to 'designate' an opponent for it to give me a bonus against.
Keef
player, 60 posts
Hero in training
Tue 1 Oct 2013
at 17:12
  • msg #105

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 104):

nice Zuriel.  I'll totally do something useful here eventually...
Boreas Highwind
player, 95 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 1 Oct 2013
at 18:11
  • msg #106

Re: OOC Discussion

It did, but Fennell has wisely ruled otherwise.
Keef
player, 62 posts
Hero in training
Wed 2 Oct 2013
at 17:45
  • msg #107

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 106):

I'm liking the juxtaposition of combat and calm discussion.  Very cinematic!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 106 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 3 Oct 2013
at 02:53
  • msg #108

Re: OOC Discussion

I updated my latest post to point out that there are likely other inhabitants of the cave.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:53, Thu 03 Oct 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 107 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 3 Oct 2013
at 02:56
  • msg #109

Re: OOC Discussion

And re re updated for suggestion of smashing.
DM
GM, 175 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 3 Oct 2013
at 14:16
  • msg #110

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 109):

Beginning in Chapter 02, "minion rules" will be in effect for minor mooks that attack in large numbers.  Here's the basics on minion rules:

1) The deal non-variable damage (though you won't know what that number is until someone gets hit).

2) They have exactly 1 hp and cannot be incapacitated instead of killed unless you specifically state that's what you're doing

3) They have Evasion (that is, they get a Reflex save to avoid AOE spells and effects)

This should make tracking hp for large numbers of bandits (or whatever you face) much, much easier for everyone involved.  And will avoid glancing blows like Boreas's arrow through the archer's arm, etc., that just slowed down the story without adding much tension.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 14:16, Thu 03 Oct 2013.
DM
GM, 180 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 4 Oct 2013
at 16:29
  • msg #111

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 110):

Keep an eye out for the [Crossroads] tag at the end of certain posts.  Story won't proceed until everyone has posted at least once after such a tag.
Keef
player, 69 posts
Hero in training
Fri 4 Oct 2013
at 16:51
  • msg #112

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 111):

Hmmm, good idea...
Keef
player, 75 posts
Hero in training
Sat 5 Oct 2013
at 14:38
  • msg #113

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 112):

Lyriel, can you cast Detect Evil on the gazebo?  I'm pretty sure they're immune to arrows.
DM
GM, 190 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 5 Oct 2013
at 16:37
  • msg #114

Re: OOC Discussion

Gazebo golems are nothing to be triffled with...
Maeve
player, 82 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 5 Oct 2013
at 16:51
  • msg #115

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah, someone's going to need to explain to me what is so hilarious about gazebos.  I knew this story at one point but have since forgotten.
DM
GM, 214 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 8 Oct 2013
at 13:38
  • msg #116

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 115):

@Maeve: Gazebos are a Munchkin meme, among others. Fun fun fun!

@All: I can see someone shoving Chubbs in their pocket for the climb down, but Shep is a harder proposition.  Leaving him to guard the stump, or hoisting him down via the rope?

I don't mind either way, but should you want to leave the Vault in a hurry, you'll wish you didn't have to haul Shep back up hand-over-fist.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:38, Tue 08 Oct 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 151 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 8 Oct 2013
at 14:57
  • msg #117

Re: OOC Discussion

The tale of the Gazebo is far older than Munchkin.  Steve Jackson is paying an homage in-game.
Keef
player, 86 posts
Hero in training
Tue 8 Oct 2013
at 14:59
  • msg #118

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 117):

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_and_the_Dread_Gazebo
DM
GM, 226 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 9 Oct 2013
at 02:05
  • msg #119

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 118):

Sweet link, Keef!

As for the current plot: I don't care if you open the tomb or move along, but I'm willing let you sit there and argue about it for as long as it takes.  I'm very amused :)
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 45 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 9 Oct 2013
at 02:14
  • msg #120

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 119):

Shep's absolutely coming. The last time I left him alone he was kidnapped by an evil mephit and some sort of demon defiler. Sir Giles is a lot of things, but he's not leaving his faithful pup behind.
Boreas Highwind
player, 158 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 9 Oct 2013
at 02:43
  • msg #121

Re: OOC Discussion

He can come in through the fourth wall.
DM
GM, 239 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 9 Oct 2013
at 23:00
  • msg #122

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 121):

Ah, the good old days, when reckless adventures barged through doors without so much as a listen check...
Maeve
player, 111 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 12:02
  • msg #123

Re: OOC Discussion

Huzzah!  Another combat!

Please note that I will be in a midterm from 9:30-10:45 and so won't be taking my turn in a timely fashion if I come up in the initiative.  It would be nice to roll myself, but if everyone is really itching to continue the fight I give you permission to act on my behalf for a round or so :)
Keef
player, 97 posts
Hero in training
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 12:45
  • msg #124

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 123):

I'm generally in the camp that: unless it's going to be more than a day or so, there's no need for GM control unless the player wills it.
Maeve
player, 112 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 12:55
  • msg #125

Re: OOC Discussion

Fair enough. In that case everyone will just have to hold their collective horses until I'm finished answering short essay questions about management for information professionals.
Keef
player, 99 posts
Hero in training
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 13:50
  • msg #126

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 125):

Take d6 Administrative damage
DM
GM, 248 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 18:21
  • msg #127

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 126):

Apparently there's an archive button which, when pressed, will reveal all PMs in an entire thread.  I shall be hitting this periodically with completed chapters, once all the information contained within them that is no longer relevant or secret has been discovered or is... um... not important anymore.

So far I haven't activated this feature for anything, but I intend to do so in the future.  Should make reading through the archives quite enjoyable!  Because holy shit, you people require a LOT of private lines :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 187 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 18:35
  • msg #128

Re: OOC Discussion

Sweet! Now I can write my hard core PM erotica in full knowledge that everybody will be able to enjoy it!
DM
GM, 249 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 18:36
  • msg #129

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 128):

It's important to me that I'm not the only one who has to read it...
Keef
player, 101 posts
Hero in training
Thu 10 Oct 2013
at 18:37
  • msg #130

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 128):

PM erotica?  Now I'll have even MORE reading to catch up on...
DM
GM, 256 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 11 Oct 2013
at 13:04
  • msg #131

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 130):

The occasional OOC tags in the game itself are fine to clarify positioning and such, but I'd like to avoid including ones meant to provide IC context.  Use words, deeds, and thought bubbles for that.  I've purged a couple examples from recent posts because it made things flow less easily for me.  Many of those comments can live here in this thread, instead.

IMO, the fewer things in the Chapter threads that kick us out  of the flow of the story and the game, the better.

To answer one of the questions I purged, yes, we can certainly insert a retroactive conversation into the chain if we have to.

Thanks all!
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:07, Fri 11 Oct 2013.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 60 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Fri 11 Oct 2013
at 18:31
  • msg #132

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 131):

Sorry Zuriel! That's my fault. I read this half asleep this morning and saw it as party text.

Hand to Good God- Sir Giles is not a telepath. Your thoughts are safe. Player mistake!

I will now get the heck out of your head, but, it did make for an interesting point of dialogue between Boreas and Giles.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:32, Fri 11 Oct 2013.
Keef
player, 111 posts
Hero in training
Fri 11 Oct 2013
at 19:34
  • msg #133

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 132):

Boreas, how are you holding those dice? They're on fire!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 205 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Fri 11 Oct 2013
at 19:50
  • msg #134

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 132):

Hehehe no worries. And I agree, it was more interesting that way.
Boreas Highwind
player, 174 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 11 Oct 2013
at 19:52
  • msg #135

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 133):

I seem to roll plenty of ones, just not on important things. ;)
DM
GM, 265 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 11 Oct 2013
at 20:59
  • msg #136

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 135):

Out of town this weekend for a wedding, so posts will be more sporadic than usual.  I know, it's a bad time to engage in combat, but hell -- SOMEONE was being provocative and sticking to their values.

Lame. :P
Boreas Highwind
player, 176 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 12 Oct 2013
at 21:41
  • msg #137

Re: OOC Discussion

Cassie was flanked.  She can't 5-foot out of everyone's reach.
Maeve
player, 120 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 12 Oct 2013
at 21:46
  • msg #138

Re: OOC Discussion

Also, Giles is ahead of me according to the initiative order.  Zuriel seems to think that I'm up now,  but I'm not sure.  Just wanted to check that Giles putting on the crown didn't count as a turn!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 209 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Sat 12 Oct 2013
at 23:07
  • msg #139

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah I wasn't clear if Giles took his full turn or not.
Boreas Highwind
player, 177 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 13 Oct 2013
at 05:46
  • msg #140

Re: OOC Discussion

While Cass can't disengage fully from everyone, using a magic item doesn't provoke attacks of opportunity (unless it's a spell completion item, which this is not).  I think we can proceed as normal, though Fennell will need to announce which character(s) Cass is currently adjacent to, so we'll know.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 64 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Sun 13 Oct 2013
at 13:24
  • msg #141

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 140):

The first post was out of turn but it was text only to poke the GM about a conversation point I wanted to engage him with. I saved my attack for after Cassie's Action.

I didn't really think of putting on the crown as an action. Either or, I'm just readying a counter against attack to person. I can do it as a multi action penalty if the GM thinks it's an issue.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:27, Sun 13 Oct 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 178 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 13 Oct 2013
at 13:58
  • msg #142

Re: OOC Discussion

Multi-actions aren't really a thing in 3.5.  You just get your allotment for the turn.
Boreas Highwind
player, 181 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 00:23
  • msg #143

Re: OOC Discussion

The reason I OOC "called dibs" this time is because the last time I was investigating a chest of loot, I had part of it removed before I had a chance to post that I was taking some.  This resulted in a series of rolls.  Thus, I figured I would nip the problem in the bud, having discussed this particular piece of loot with 2/3 of the party already.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 214 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 03:35
  • msg #144

Re: OOC Discussion

So...whose turn is it to act currently?
Boreas Highwind
player, 184 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 04:03
  • msg #145

Re: OOC Discussion

From what I can see, Maeve's next, but Keef is on hold and can come in whenever.
DM
GM, 271 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 05:12
  • msg #146

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 145):

Maeve adjusted her position in order to threaten Giles. I assume she moved in some way or readied some action.  I'm not sure what Keef's doing.

I'd say Maeve has a standard action left, and Keef has his whole turn, and then we're back to the top of the order.
This message was last edited by the GM at 05:14, Mon 14 Oct 2013.
Maeve
player, 123 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 12:00
  • msg #147

Re: OOC Discussion

Is it my turn?  Man, I thought we were back to the top of the initiative order.

Just assume I'm on hold in case Giles does something else questionable.  I *will* stab him if he does.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 67 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 13:14
  • msg #148

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 147):

From an (N)PC perspective, you guys are a really complex group of people to travel with.

While I appreciate the consistency of Maeve's (and to an extent, Boreas's) opposition to Giles and his brand of heroism:

Zuriel is the same paladin who helped me defile and rob a hidden grave after taking vision inducing magic mushrooms, and NOW we're focused on being righteous do gooders?

I take no offense to you all taking just that with my "execution" of a villain, but as someone who is supposed to be on the fringe of the party's moral compass, you're an awfully hard group to nail down.

In DnD time, no less than 6 seconds ago this person was actively trying to murder you and buy my loyalty to assist her, sicking a giant death pet on you, and potentially having other ill fated arcana up her sleeve. While she may have surrendered in the short term, you have ZERO reason to trust her (and at least minor reasons to not COMPLETELY distrust Sir Giles), and, let's be clear- I didn't murder a girl scout in cold blood. I shot an evil druid who 6 seconds ago was trying to rend the flesh from your bodies.

Put another way- I anticipated ruffled feathers; I did not anticipate uniform opposition. Which I mean as a compliment, I guess. It's nice that even I'm not sure of who you are yet- it's interesting when DnD character's don't deal in absolutes, even if it's confusing for psuedovillains :p
This message was last edited by the player at 13:41, Mon 14 Oct 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 216 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 13:56
  • msg #149

Re: OOC Discussion

I can't speak for anybody else, but for Zuriel there is a huge gaping moral chasm between invading an evil tomb and repurposing / cleansing / confiscating evil items that have been and could be again used to hurt others, and executing a surrendering prisoner. Though you're absolutely correct, a typical paladin of the Emerald Flame would have no such qualms whatsoever about striking her down, and would never have offered terms of surrender. If for some reason they did allow an enemy to surrender however, they would still be honor bound to not harm the prisoner. So yeah, a paladin's opposition to executing a surrendering prisoner shouldn't be at all surprising, unexpected, or out of character.

Keep in mind, we did invade her home. I'm not playing Zuriel as the kind if paladin who thinks killing is justified simply because somebody returns an evil aura when I detect evil, and certainly not because it would be more convenient than taking a prisoner. At any rate, other than her trying to kill home invaders, she hasn't herself committed any evil acts other than trapping people temporarily in a cave.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 68 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 14:10
  • msg #150

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 149):

Play Zuriel however you want; I'm enjoying him as is.

I just wanted to underscore my surprise to the party at the way they have cast their bones, so to speak.

She did nothing evil..except trap us in a cave, attack all of us, and had the dice fallen differently, would ABSOLUTELY have tried to (and may still yet have save Giles's interference) kill you.

We are now chastising the "hero" for executing the villain who had just tried to kill ALL of his traveling companions and had confessed to multiple pagan desecrations (requested your assistance in performing a blood magic ritual!) of this tomb, experimentation on animals, and plans to reanimate the dead.

Sir Giles's turn is definitely coming. The tenuous alliance which underscored the brief bond the PARTY and Giles's had formed is beginning to falter, but I'm still having a hard time understanding the righteous indignation and revisionist history now quickly associated with trying to save the evil druid and pump for her information. Was the act of executing a surrendering prisoner truly out of line for the party, or was it because it was Giles who did it?

To all, and the rangers/naturists in the party in particular- I understand you are good aligned, but she is literally a defiling druid trying to ransack a fey tomb who confessed to you to assisting in alchemic animal experimentation to further her goals. How does she rate as more "noble" on the party scale than Sir Giles? Don't like his method all you want, but please try to put the reasons behind them in context.
Maeve
player, 125 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 14:22
  • msg #151

Re: OOC Discussion

As for me and my army, I would have been perfectly ok with us killing her in battle.  But since she did surrender, it seemed like as good a chance as any to milk her for information about A) what the heck is going on on the forest and B) your new crown and Keef's staff which HOLY CRAP ROLLED A 39 ATTACK CRAP HOW DID HE DO THAT.  As they say, knowledge is power.  Giles deprived us of that opportunity, I got angry, that's all she wrote.

 After we had that knowledge. . . I honestly would have probably been ok with us killing her then rather than schlepping her through the woods as a captive to face justice.  I'm trying to play Maeve with a militaristic mindset as opposed to Zuriel's paragon of righteousness, and I do hope that's coming across.

It's a wonder there aren't more psychology articles written about D&D.  The possibilities are fascinating.

Also Matt, nice to "meet" you.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 217 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 14:34
  • msg #152

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm just saying, you can't expect a paladin to be okay with you executing a prisoner after he offers the prisoner surrender and it is accepted. No doubt she is evil. She was trying to bring back an evil guy. We stopped it. She surrendered. Heroes win. Then you execute her.

/shrug.

At any rate, it is likewise good to meet/adventure with you, Matt. Giles, not so much ;-p
Boreas Highwind
player, 185 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 15:15
  • msg #153

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas is still torn on what to do with her eventually.  Had she not surrendered immediately on her action, dismissing her spell, removing her choker, and all that, he would have blasted her.  As it stands, he's likely only willing to allow one of two options - her redemption (via the Atonement spell) or her death.  She's too dangerous even without weapons, though binding her hands helps.  At the very least, we can get information from her.  Still, Boreas is probably the closest to agreeing with Giles' actions, even though he still doesn't quite approve.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 219 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 15:19
  • msg #154

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah, atonement is the way to go, IMO. More interesting than execution.
Boreas Highwind
player, 187 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 15:21
  • msg #155

Re: OOC Discussion

And a powerful ally, if she's willing.
Boreas Highwind
player, 188 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 15:41
  • msg #156

Re: OOC Discussion

Side note:  @Giles - we didn't actually mention atonement in character yet.  Minor oversight, of course, but we're getting to that.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 71 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 16:27
  • msg #157

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 156):

Honestly, I viewed that more as just a common sense deduction on Giles part. If we can't kill her, and you're unlikely to drag her out as prisoner..

It was as much a "metagame oversight" as it was me twisting the knife in Zuriel's sudden absolutism.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 221 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 16:35
  • msg #158

Re: OOC Discussion

Just pointing out, not wanting to execute an unarmed female prisoner is in no way sudden absolutism. Zuriel would very likely lose his paladin hood for such an act, and it is not at all unreasonable for him to hold his party members to similar moral standards. Having a line you won't cross is not absolutism, it's having certain principles. You've just managed to find one of those lines.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 73 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 16:44
  • msg #159

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 158):

I couldn't agree more. I'm not criticizing. I'm explaining how Giles perceives it, and why he is acting how he is acting.

Giles is a creature of reckless absolutes and he is ABSOLUTELY nettling you.

And honestly, Matt to Zuriel, I am really appreciating your responses, both in tone and in content.

To me as a somewhat outsider, Boreas has been the party lead. It's rather nice to see you as the paladin stepping up, drawing a line in the sand on principle, and not letting my brand of cocksure sensationalism and antiheroism get in the way, especially when Boreas is wavering somewhat (though is by no means on-board with Giles shennanigans)
This message was last edited by the player at 16:51, Mon 14 Oct 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 224 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 17:05
  • msg #160

Re: OOC Discussion

Hehe, I appreciate it. I'm very much enjoying this exchange myself. I am worried about Keef though. I'm trying to play Zuriel as struggling to find those lines for himself, and Giles is helping solidify what Zuriel doesn't ever want to become. And from a completely meta game perspective, there is only so far you can push a paladin before they are mechanically obligated to act a certain way or lose their class. I'm not saying Zuriel would act in any other way even if this wasn't a mechanical restriction, but given this specific scenario I doubt any other paladin would act differently once that offer of surrender had been extended.
Maeve
player, 131 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 21:16
  • msg #161

Re: OOC Discussion

So. . . .is Keef awake now or is he still catatonic?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 226 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 21:31
  • msg #162

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm not clear on that either. I don't want to move on before he posts and assume though.
Keef
player, 116 posts
Hero in training
Mon 14 Oct 2013
at 21:32
  • msg #163

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 161):

Awake now, just under the guidance of a busy player.  Sorry about the confusion, I try to log in routinely and check to at least see if people need an answer from me.

Additionally, I'm loving the interplay going on here... lots of fun to read even if, because of who he is, Keef has little to say on the topic most times.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:37, Mon 14 Oct 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 229 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 02:21
  • msg #164

Re: OOC Discussion

Hey, do we want to rest here underground, or go back up to the surface? I don't think we should take Cassie with us through the next part of the dungeon. I recommend we leave and go back to the gazebo field, experiment more with the gazebo, identify items, and figure out what to do with Cassie.
DM
GM, 281 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 02:40
  • msg #165

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 164):

It would seem you'll be having tea, at least, in the cavern-turned-stable.
Boreas Highwind
player, 198 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 14:09
  • msg #166

Re: OOC Discussion

Gazebo Field is a long way away.  And this place, oddly enough, is more secure, though it's Cassie's home turf.  She'll be re-gagged once we're done talking, though, to avoid shenanigans.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 80 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 15:39
  • msg #167

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 166):

Midway through a sassy reply about long stories and the thread locks. Worst. DM. Ever. :p
DM
GM, 291 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 15:50
  • msg #168

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 167):

Copy it and toss it into Chapter Three.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 238 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 19:05
  • msg #169

Re: OOC Discussion

Hey Keef, if you end up learning identify it might be a good idea to prepare that as many times as possible and spend a day figuring out what all our stuff does before moving on.
Keef
player, 123 posts
Hero in training
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 19:49
  • msg #170

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 169):

Yeah, I just grabbed that spell at level-up (our list of unidentified loot is long and tantalizing).

Whether or not Keef remembers to prep it multiple times though...
Boreas Highwind
player, 201 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 19:50
  • msg #171

Re: OOC Discussion

The other one you may want to consider grabbing, if you don't already have it, is Enlarge Person.  Just imagine casting that on Maeve.
Maeve
player, 136 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 20:34
  • msg #172

Re: OOC Discussion

MAEVE SMASH.
DM
GM, 295 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 20:45
  • msg #173

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 172):

I mean, sure, that spell's cool.  If you wanna be a buffbot instead of a hero... ;)
Boreas Highwind
player, 204 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 21:25
  • msg #174

Re: OOC Discussion

Haha when the DM doesn't want you to do something, you should probably do it.

One buff spell does not a "buffbot" make.
Keef
player, 125 posts
Hero in training
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 21:33
  • msg #175

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 174):

Fear not.  I have appropriately Keeflike priorities.
Boreas Highwind
player, 205 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 21:37
  • msg #176

Re: OOC Discussion

That's what scares me haha.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 241 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 22:07
  • msg #177

Re: OOC Discussion

Keef has a very rapt audience right now!
Keef
player, 127 posts
Hero in training
Tue 15 Oct 2013
at 22:38
  • msg #178

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 177):

Yeah!  I hope I used the time in the spotlight well!
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 83 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 16 Oct 2013
at 12:50
  • msg #179

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 178):

The first, last, and only monologue from Sir Giles Thistleworth. In an unrelated story, I had a lot of pumpkin beer last night..

I wanted to sneak in a "Without evil there could be no good so it must be good to be evil sometimes" from the South Park movie, but it felt forced.

Also, I know we likely have different plans, but Matt the PC so desperately wanted to just have Sir Giles sulk away in the night after his soliloquy..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4L1xYpedmk
This message was last edited by the player at 12:55, Wed 16 Oct 2013.
DM
GM, 297 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 16 Oct 2013
at 14:58
  • msg #180

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 178):

While you were sleeping, Zuriel held a conversation with Cassie that you may find interesting.  It has now been completed retroactively, and added to his post (which is above the post about the dreams).  I encourage everyone to give it a read, even though it will not be IC knowledge for anyone who slumbered.
DM
GM, 299 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 16 Oct 2013
at 19:48
  • msg #181

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 180):

The Identify spell is one of a handful that I do care about the reagents.  Choose your items wisely, as it will cost 100GP worth of gold each and every time the spell is cast.  The gold will be used as a focus, will dissolve, and will coat the item in question while information is imparted.  It will then fade away forever.

You may not have enough cash-money to just sit around IDing your pile of items.

If only there was a treasure trove nearby...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 249 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 16 Oct 2013
at 20:18
  • msg #182

Re: OOC Discussion

Well, we don't know what the mysterious treasure trove does until we've identified it, so it's a moot point ;-p

At any rate, how much gold does the party even have? Have we been keeping track?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 250 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 16 Oct 2013
at 20:19
  • msg #183

Re: OOC Discussion

If we do, I recommend we identify the orb, then the sword if we have spells/reagents. If not, let's get on with the show!
DM
GM, 300 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 16 Oct 2013
at 20:25
  • msg #184

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 183):

I have listed out the loot on a case by case basis.  It falls on the party to remember the total cash moneys they have accumulated, and how to split it.  Most of the money you've encountered thus far is petty cash from the Blackarms and whatever you had leftover from generation.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 251 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 16 Oct 2013
at 20:33
  • msg #185

Re: OOC Discussion

Somebody gon' have to read that all over again. I think it was all chapter one stuff...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 252 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 01:44
  • msg #186

Re: OOC Discussion

So I can only find reference to 70 gp that we have as a party. Unless somebody has a bunch leftover from chargen, we can't identify anything today, and should just move on.

Great Master DM, can we get a party loot thread that we can all edit for the junk and gold that is "community property" before being divvied up? I'd hate to lose track of valuable items just because nobody "claimed" an item outright. We should make a running list of party gold and items that haven't been claimed or assigned.
Boreas Highwind
player, 217 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 14:26
  • msg #187

Re: OOC Discussion

We should probably hold off on ID'ing more stuff right now.  Save that gold for after we get into the vault; there might be higher priority things in there.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 258 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 14:43
  • msg #188

Re: OOC Discussion

And also the gold with which to do it, according to our fearless DM's attempts to entice us into the vault. Let's ID something else, the gold isn't working for us any other way in the middle of the woods.
DM
GM, 305 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 14:47
  • msg #189

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 188):

Hang on for a moment. I need to do something completely unrelated to building a toll bridge blocking your path...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 260 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 15:02
  • msg #190

Re: OOC Discussion

Nah it's cool, we all signed up for EZ Passes. The bill goes to Baldwin. Build away!
Keef
player, 136 posts
Hero in training
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 15:15
  • msg #191

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 190):

And if we're adventuring over 60mph, there's a chance we pay nothing...
DM
GM, 306 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 15:24
  • msg #192

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 191):

I've added the sphere's details to the loot list.  I also purged the last series of OOC comments from the Chapter 03 thread; please use the OOC thread for things like that.  Zuriel's IC comment makes it clear that's what he's asking, even without the OOC tags.  Likewise for the others I removed.

Keef may incorporate what I've updated in the Loot List into his initial post if he desires.  If you have the cash money to use on the sword, he can post in reference to completing the ritual a second time.

Rock on!
Keef
player, 138 posts
Hero in training
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 16:34
  • msg #193

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 192):

Yeah, we're 10gp short.  If nobody can contribute that to the team coffers, we're done IDing for today.
DM
GM, 310 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 16:37
  • msg #194

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 193):

The party had 206gp.  You now have 6gp.  This is not counting any of Giles's personal wealth, which he has not deigned to share with the haters among him.
Boreas Highwind
player, 219 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 17:19
  • msg #195

Re: OOC Discussion

Side note for Keef and  Lyriel:  As of level 3, I can detect magic at will, so  you don't need to use up spell slots preparing it anymore if you don't want to.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 90 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 18:28
  • msg #196

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 195):

Wouldn't this be more appropriate to bring up in the context of character? This is like meta to the Nth degree.

"Dear spellcasters, I now have the ability to perform this utility spell as needed to support party objectives. Feel free to put something useful in that spot, like grease. Bitches love casters who throw grease"

I'm half teasing half serious, as I try to feel out what level of meta is actually endeared itself to the campaign. Giles has been inherently Meta, but that's somewhat by design. As the campaign matures and more (N)PCs come in, some hopefully not evil to the core, I'd like to understand what the game's player base is expecting and comfortable with in regards to info of this nature.

I'm designed to be a gamebreaking NPC and I don't even know what your classes/levels are, nevermind your now apparent ability to magically and freely detect magic.

My 2cp
Keef
player, 139 posts
Hero in training
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 18:35
  • msg #197

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 196):

Roger.

All 0 level slots are Detect Magic and all 1st Level slots are Detect Magic with "widen" Metamagic feat upgrade.
Boreas Highwind
player, 221 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 17 Oct 2013
at 18:40
  • msg #198

Re: OOC Discussion

I felt like mentioning it in context would be awkward and breaking the narrative, especially in such a tense character moment.  Later on, I'll describe myself actually using it, next time it comes up.

I performed detect magic on Cassie's gear, so everyone would've seen it, just didn't describe it for the reasons mentioned above.

Good call there, Keef.  Thinking like a champion.
DM
GM, 321 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 18 Oct 2013
at 15:39
  • msg #199

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 198):

I spend one morning afk at a funeral, and when I come back, what do I have to lift my sagging spirits?  PUMPMITION. I love and hate all of you.
DM
GM, 325 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 18 Oct 2013
at 18:17
  • msg #200

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 199):

Also, is this a reference to anything beyond "pumpkin"?  I ask because I didn't get the fox reference right away, and only knew part of the gazebo one.
Maeve
player, 152 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 18 Oct 2013
at 18:23
  • msg #201

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 200):

It is a reference, but you wouldn't have heard of it.  Chris can explain it the best.
DM
GM, 329 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 18 Oct 2013
at 22:50
  • msg #202

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 201):

I look forward to hearing it.

So, current split is maeve, boreas, lyriel and giles (and shep) to the cellar, leaving keef and zuriel in the garden with cassie and chubbs.  Is that correct?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 282 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Fri 18 Oct 2013
at 23:13
  • msg #203

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah unless Keef wants to go too. I figure whoever stays outside can be reinforcements if things get rough.
Maeve
player, 155 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 19 Oct 2013
at 02:42
  • msg #204

Re: OOC Discussion

Chris doesn't seem forthcoming, so here is the story of the pumpmition:

A few years ago Chris and I were at the birthday party of John Hall, whom several of you know.  At some point during the festivities, somebody (possibly John himself) dragged out one of John's elementary school journals--the sort of thing your teacher would make you write something pointless in every day.  I guess one of the prompts was about Halloween or carving pumpkins or something and John had written these verbatim instructions on how to carve a pumpkin:

"1. Get pumpmition

2. Carvinl eyesnoseteethmouth"

We're not sure if he meant to say "get pumpkin" or "get permission" or if he intentionally created a portmanteau out of the two.  Regardless, it was very funny at the time and we enjoyed mocking him for the pumpmitions.
DM
GM, 338 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 20 Oct 2013
at 22:44
  • msg #205

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 204):

Awesome. Pumpition it is.

Sorry about the slow updates this weekend. Been very busy and pretty sick.
Keef
player, 153 posts
Hero in training
Sun 20 Oct 2013
at 23:03
  • msg #206

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 205):

No worries!
Keef
player, 155 posts
Hero in training
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 13:08
  • msg #207

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 206):

Also:  Loving that we're all just rolling with the pumpmition thing.

As a player at least, this is probably the most fun group I've rolled with.

Cheers!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 294 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 16:14
  • msg #208

Re: OOC Discussion

Thanks Keef, I'm having a ton of fun too!
Boreas Highwind
player, 241 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 16:22
  • msg #209

Re: OOC Discussion

Likewise!  Good times so far.
DM
GM, 353 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 20:08
  • msg #210

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 209):

Who the )($*@# rolls two successive natural 20s on diplomacy checks like that! Gods dammit.  That's one way to resolve an encounter...
Maeve
player, 169 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 20:12
  • msg #211

Re: OOC Discussion

I think we should all take a quick moment of silence for Chomper.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 301 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 20:24
  • msg #212

Re: OOC Discussion

Don't worry, we're still going to fight them I think. I just wanted to save Cassie first.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 109 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 21:46
  • msg #213

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 212):

Is it just me, or are we kind of being business as usual about the fact that we yesterday learned Keef is cursed?

He's incapable of eating/drinking and we're about to run off on a revenge quest instead of getting him help.

As the party's moral compass, Sir Giles felt obligated to highlight the potential impact to Keef's well being and his genuine fear for it.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 303 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 21:52
  • msg #214

Re: OOC Discussion

Keef can eat and drink when he's wearing the crown (the same crown Giles put on him IIRC ;-p ) We're working on finding a solution, Wildheart should be able to tell us more.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 111 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:07
  • msg #215

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 214):

Sir Giles plays it fast, and he plays it loose, and sometimes, in the end, someone besides him gets burned. That's life. :p
Zuriel Silendril
player, 304 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:18
  • msg #216

Re: OOC Discussion

Let's kill our current characters and all reroll as various versions of Sterling Archer!
DM
GM, 355 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:31
  • msg #217

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 216):

Now, now. It's far more similar to Captain Hammer. By design.
Maeve
player, 172 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:38
  • msg #218

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 217):

I was thinking more Captain Harkness rather than Captain Hammer.  Captain Jack Harkness, of course. But with less of the charm and more of the arrogance.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 306 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:48
  • msg #219

Re: OOC Discussion

But I want to go adventuring into the DANGER ZOOOOOOOOOONE
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 113 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:52
  • msg #220

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 219):

I'm playing a Knife throwing Fey Rogue named Alveris Alderis in a savage world's campaign that Keef is running, and he is, assuredly, Sterling Archer. I'm also getting married next year, and we're getting introduced to Danger Zone.

I'll just leave this here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7HkG6OSo3E
Zuriel Silendril
player, 307 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:57
  • msg #221

Re: OOC Discussion

Haha, I haven't seen this one before. This is epic! Thanks for posting that little gem.
Boreas Highwind
player, 245 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 21 Oct 2013
at 23:58
  • msg #222

Re: OOC Discussion

Giles Thistleworth:
In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 219):

I'm playing a Knife throwing Fey Rogue named Alveris Alderis in a savage world's campaign that Keef is running, and he thinks he is, assuredly, Sterling Archer. I'm also getting married next year, and we're getting introduced to Danger Zone.

I'll just leave this here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7HkG6OSo3E


Fixed it for you.  Heh.
Maeve
player, 173 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 01:15
  • msg #223

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm waiting for Fennell to roll initiative for the Giles/Zuriel catfight.  Heck, I'll leave Boreas and come back to sit and watch.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 309 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 04:12
  • msg #224

Re: OOC Discussion

Eh, just killing time until we get an update
DM
GM, 356 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 12:39
  • msg #225

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 224):

Crossroads. Cannot update til I hear from Keef
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 115 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 13:10
  • msg #226

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 225):

Zuriel's just grasping at straws as he stalls for time while trying to overcome the unstoppable verbal riposte that is "I don't see why it can't be both?"

:)
Maeve
player, 174 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 13:21
  • msg #227

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 226):

It's only a matter of time before Zuriel and Giles give into the simmering sexual tension that's been building between them.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 116 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 13:23
  • msg #228

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 227):

"Take, these broken wings, and learn to fly again.."

Whatever, it's only because the two ladies in the party proved immune to the sultry charms of Sir Giles. I've had to set my sights a little more..holy.
DM
GM, 358 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 13:23
  • msg #229

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 227):

Cassie has a added her two cents to the scintillating drama before us.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 311 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 14:22
  • msg #230

Re: OOC Discussion

Excuse me, I've got some more erotica to write,
Keef
player, 160 posts
Hero in training
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 14:28
  • msg #231

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 230):

Sorry to hold you guys up!  Unfortunately, Keef doesn't have much to add in this particular philosophical battle.

Blank slate and all that...

The erotica though...
This message was last edited by the player at 14:28, Tue 22 Oct 2013.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 118 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 15:15
  • msg #232

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 231):

RPOL erotica, as written by a New Englander:

"Being a ranger on an adventure can be wicked hahd and exhausting. There's much action and unanticpated excitement that it's a pretty wicked experience.

Anyway, there I am and boom walks in this freaking Bronze statue of a Paladin. Hair whipping in the wind like a home run out of Fenway, a soft smile and attainable wisdom resting softly on his moist lips.

His stare begs me closer, but I'm wicked unsure if I should go for it or not.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 312 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 15:22
  • msg #233

Re: OOC Discussion

This gives me a good ideer for a story
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 120 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 15:28
  • msg #234

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 233):

Forbidden Love, or how I learned to stop worrying and become a Greyguard?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 314 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 15:30
  • msg #235

Re: OOC Discussion

"he gasped when he saw it was nearly a yahd long"
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 122 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 15:48
  • msg #236

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 235):

I continue to be genuinely frustrated and confused by this party, and it's honestly becoming hard to follow along in character.

So Boreas can sneak ahead, climb a tree, and try to laser someone in the head, potentially missing and igniting all the poison, without any request to surrender, stand trial, statement of warning, etc. Ah, but he reassured the horses! This person brought NO harm to ANY of our persons. Ah, but we'll decommission their equipment by force, which surely won't result in their harm, and if it does, they asked for it.

I shoot ONE druid who tried to bring IMMEDIATE harm to our persons and you all freak out. Boreas tries to execute someone in cold blood and I assume it's going to go completely unmentioned. To say nothing of Zuriel lying to someone, as a Paladin, when there was zero benefit to the "Greater good". That lie has now killed Chompers, and potentially will result in the deaths of the exterminators, to say nothing of the party and it's growing reputation as liars and enforcers of vigilante (ah, but it's faith based) justice.

It just feels like a lot of resentment and focus is applied to Sir Giles shall we say "ambiguous" moral compass, when the party continues to make decisions and take actions every bit as questionable, all while pretending they've never smelled their own farts. I'm here to try and nudge the party down a different path, and every time I try, you're all Puritan school children, and whenever I just blindly follow along, you're every bit as much bad idea and trouble as Sir Giles. Bare in mind he tried to talk you all OUT of going on a blood quest to kill or capture these people, instead internally pondering why we aren't concerned for the curse on our young wizard. Sir Giles was actively more of a moral compass than the party, distracted in response to the emotional trauma of a murdered animal who 24 hours ago was standing on top of a bloody corpse with her mistress trying to rend flesh from your bones.

What gives, and OOC, what role do you actually see me playing in the party, because I'm genuinely lost what you're looking for from me.
Boreas Highwind
player, 248 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 15:55
  • msg #237

Re: OOC Discussion

Giles Thistleworth:
In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 235):

I continue to be genuinely frustrated and confused by this party, and it's honestly becoming hard to follow along in character.

So Boreas can sneak ahead, climb a tree, and try to laser someone in the head, potentially missing and igniting all the poison, without any request to surrender, stand trial, statement of warning, etc. Ah, but he reassured the horses! This person brought NO harm to ANY of our persons. Ah, but we'll decommission their equipment by force, which surely won't result in their harm, and if it does, they asked for it.

...

What gives, and OOC, what role do you actually see me playing in the party, because I'm genuinely lost what you're looking for from me.


Boreas is acting in the exact opposite of cold blood.  Out of character, the gem is influencing him some too.  He rather liked Chomper and saw a spark of redemption in Cassie.  These men killed the wolverine and wantonly destroy the world around them.  Boreas didn't need to ask questions because he saw them doing it (the destruction bit, anyway).  Whether his chosen course of action is correct or justified is up for debate, certainly, but he is acting out of rage and passion here.  He's impulsive anyway, as a Chaotic Good character.


In response to your second question, I think the general consensus is that we all like you, but we don't like Giles.  This is not necessarily your fault, as Giles was not designed to be liked.  I, at least, want to continue playing with you in the party.  Giles, well, I'm still not sure.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 123 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:03
  • msg #238

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 237):

I understand that, but I guess what I'm trying to highlight is I don't expect anyone "in game" to give you any guff about what you did except Sir Giles (Edit- Zuriel Did after I called him out), when it had every bit as risk, perhaps more so, to the lives of the people involved as anything he's done. I couldn't even get Zuriel to admit he lied.

While I understand your character's fondness toward Chompers, you potentially could have murdered 3 men in cold blood because a wolverine died, who you have known less than a day, but you all threatened to ostracize me from the party for trying to put down a druid trying to perform a blood ritual? The continued life of that druid which is still causing the party problems, and will almost assuredly end in betrayal.

It's just a lack of consistency. Giles is doing things similar to what you are all doing, but you never give him the benefit of the doubt, but the party always finds ways to give themselves the benefit of the doubt.

Here, you "saw" the destruction, and due to your relationship with Chompers, knew all you needed to know. I "saw" an evil druid espousing blood magic with a violent animal primed to kill us, and determined I was less than thrilled with the notion of her surrender as we were continuing to investigate what was ostensibly her magical stronghold. What with Sir Giles years of adventuring, he actually had a pretty strong sample size for "Don't let bad guy up when they are down, or they will try to kill you again"

I think the reason Sir Giles is not liked is because he's a foil for the party's inconsistent application of their own morals. Giles is a man of fixed principles. He's out for his best interest generally independent of the cost of said interest to others, and you know where he stands moment to moment.

I have no idea where you/Zuriel/Maeve stand moment to moment unless it involves talking down to or threatening Sir Giles for being all the things you all are (well, not Maeve. She's been well behaved :p). It's almost as though there's a disconnect between how the party acts, and how it perceives itself. We are literally playing vigilante justice right now, because someone killed a wolverine, and we don't even know the whole circumstance of what happened.

As the person tasked with being the bad guy as it were, it's something that's hard for me not to see.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:06, Tue 22 Oct 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 249 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:34
  • msg #239

Re: OOC Discussion

Of course our characters' moral choices aren't consistent.  People aren't consistent.  No one is able to dispassionately analyze whether every decision is consistent with the moral code they have selected for themselves (if they're even aware of it), so it makes sense  that our characters, especially the non-lawful ones, act based on other factors.

You may be on to something about why we don't like Giles.  But I think it isn't the fact that he has consistent principles.  It's that those principles are the promotion of self-interest at the expense of everyone else.  It makes it hard to trust the guy.  There may be a subconscious element too, where Giles is directed somewhat by the DM, so we don't see him as "one of us."
Keef
player, 162 posts
Hero in training
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:36
  • msg #240

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 238):

I (OOC) am mostly miffed as to why we're trusting Cassie.  Attacking the exterminators too was unexpected.  Maybe Boreas is using a Rage feat, and Zuriel is trying to arrest them, which all makes some sense. The rest of the party is mostly just following along for mutual protection, right?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 316 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:38
  • msg #241

Re: OOC Discussion

Okay, lets clarify things here.

Zuriel was fine with Giles until you executed a prisoner who was surrendering. That's an issue, and Giles should have expected no other reaction.

As for Keef's curse, we *actively* on our way to get advice on it. This "revenge quest," as you put it, is along the path that leads to where we need to go to get answers. So its not like we're delaying things be dealing with the exterminators. Zuriel is just as concerned about Keef.

For his part, Zuriel is incredibly frustrated with this current turn of events, and is trying to act so character. The party was asked to take care of an infestation, we did it. Yes, we took somebody job. No, Zuriel never outright stated he was an exterminator or lied about who he was. If you'll recall, he asked a question about who the mushroom guy was expecting because he didn't know anything of it. The guy had a problem, party fixed it, and got paid.

This did *NOT* lead to Chompers death. Chomper was killed because the exterminators are dicks. They had no reason to assume that a wolverine was responsible for taking their work. They just killed him, sending Cassie into a rage because her familiar was killed (which is not the same thing as losing a pet, btw). This lead to a confrontation where mooks were killed, and Cassie would have been killed too. Zuriel is also upset by this, but its hard to fault Cassie as much given the circumstances.

Zuriel is also very, very angry with Boreas right now. There was no reason this couldn't have been solved without violence. True, it almost certainly would have ended up in a fight, but the way it comes to that makes a difference, and Zuriel will say as much in angry words and a wall of text that will make Giles and his pontification proud, never fear.

So Giles does bring up some valid points that Zuriel *is* taking into consideration. Giles is also an egotistical, narcissistic asshole who rubs everybody the wrong way, so its very human (though not necessarily *right*) to cut him less slack.

After this confrontation, provided we all survive, we can have a nice long chat about motivations and morals. I would advise this. Giles can have a chance to say his bit, and so can everybody else. I would like to get out in the open, IC, what people thoughts are on what went down. You can be sure that Zuriel is displeased with this whole clusterfuck, and does not want it repeated in the future. As far as he's concerned, we *all* should be holding ourselves to higher standards, Zuriel included.

For now though, we're going to fight this out, and Zuriel is going to try to keep as many people from dying as possible.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 317 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:40
  • msg #242

Re: OOC Discussion

The loss of a familiar under those circumstances would enrage somebody understandably. I can't really fault Cassie for that OOC. Zuriel is irritated by that, but hasn't brought it up yet, because Boreas has already charged off to force another confrontation. Zuriel feels strung along to try to do damage control, and is rationalizing as he goes. Self reflection will happen when the fighting dies down.
Maeve
player, 176 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:43
  • msg #243

Re: OOC Discussion

Wow, I don't check this thread for a while and this is what I return to.

Maeve is sad that they killed Chomper, because Chomper was awesome.  (Isn't it always the animals that we get attached to?)  And I'm wary of the poison they're using, but that's about it.  I don't intend to take part in this fight, assuming one erupts.  My goal is to keep your asses from being killed, and I *will* attack if you are hurt, particularly the more vulnerable members of the group and have no qualms about doing so.  I think that's reasonable for her?

It's going to be funny as hell though when Giles' obvious werewolf powers manifest and he tries to eat Zuriel.  Funny for me, at least.
Maeve
player, 177 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:45
  • msg #244

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 243):

Let me clarify.  Funny out of character. Maeve probably won't be too happy about Zuriel being eaten by a werewolf, even if he does drone on about justice and doing what's right :p

And of course I'm just assuming werewolf. What with the moon and all.  In character naturally, I know nothing of this.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 124 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:55
  • msg #245

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 244):

Giles "affliction" is part of the reason I'm so aggressively pressing this issue in and out of game, because he's trying to figure out how in the name of Gods you're going to respond when whatever IS wrong with him comes to light. It's not clear to Giles or Matt, which is why I'm asking.
Boreas Highwind
player, 250 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 16:58
  • msg #246

Re: OOC Discussion

That largely depends on how it comes to light, I imagine.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 318 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 17:03
  • msg #247

Re: OOC Discussion

Well, Zuriel certainly isn't going to judge somebody because of lycanthropy. If he ever has to fight an asshole werewolf, he'll fight it because of the asshole part, not the werewolf bit ;-p
This message was last edited by the player at 17:03, Tue 22 Oct 2013.
Keef
player, 163 posts
Hero in training
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 17:16
  • msg #248

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 247):

Keef is (would be) excited about the werewolf part!
Maeve
player, 178 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 17:20
  • msg #249

Re: OOC Discussion

Probably depends a bit on werewolf mechanics in this world as well.  If Giles is his usual asshole self but as a wolf, eh, no big deal.  If he goes batshit crazy when he transforms and tries to murder everyone, that's a bit more problematic.  Of course, we would all know that Giles is not in his right mind and has no control over his actions while in his wolf form, so I would assume that we'd maybe try to hold off on killing him?  Maybe?  It seems a bit unsporting to do so, unless he was gnawing on somebody's leg.
Boreas Highwind
player, 251 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 17:26
  • msg #250

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah, we'd probably try to calm him down unless he was actively attacking us, at which point we'd attempt subdual, depending on how threatening he is.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 319 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 17:35
  • msg #251

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah we would totally try to knock you out first if you weren't in control
Keef
player, 164 posts
Hero in training
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 17:46
  • msg #252

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 251):

Keef will cast Grease on you, with the Widen feat.

Also, HORAY!  Everyone is on hold!
This message was last edited by the player at 17:47, Tue 22 Oct 2013.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 112 posts
To Heal is Divine
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 17:49
  • msg #253

Re: OOC Discussion

Wow this all is crazy... Here are a few things I would like to weigh in on:

Okay so question to Matt/Giles why did you shoot Cassie when a few minutes before you were considering helping her/ accepting her help? Especially when right beforehand a few of the party members were asking her to surrender so that we didn't have to shed blood. From my perspective at least it seems like Giles as a character went from one extreme to the next without any real reason, especially since she had just surrendered and your party mates were actively trying to not kill her at least in order to get information from her.


As a general rule Lyriel is always going to try to shed the least amount of blood possible because she is a cleric and doesn't like to kill people/things unless absolutely necessary. As for her feelings on Cassie, she doesn't trust her, thinks her motives are wrong, but does think she has some redeemable qualities and is willing to give her a chance. If it gets to the point where it is necessary she also has a spell that she can cast on Cassie where she has to speak the truth.
DM
GM, 363 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 18:01
  • msg #254

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 253):

Giles shot Cassie because he wanted to join the winning side, and that is when it became clear that side was not going to Cassie.  He even said as much in his thought bubbles.

As for the rest of it, I'm finding this conversation extremely interesting, and I don't want to derail it by moderating it.  Carry on.

Oh, and we aren't all on hold.  Zuriel's up, then Clem & Co.  Have fun!
DM
GM, 366 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 19:32
  • msg #255

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 254):

Holy shit.

All hail Keef.

That was amazing.
Maeve
player, 179 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 19:34
  • msg #256

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 255):

I guess that's one word for it. . .
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 125 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 20:00
  • msg #257

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 253):

DM has ably outlined it. At some point, Giles is likely going to "turn". What that entails, how it plays out, what it means for you, and whether all parties involved survive (Giles included) is an unknown to all but the DM.

The DM made it clear to me Cassie attacking the party was an opportunity within the DM's vision for how my character functions/what his goals are to take a stance against you and potentially steal all your treasurez. I opted to not immediately do so to see what Cassie was made of (which turned out to be nothing), so I wasn't left holding the bag on a failed coup attempt.

So, out of context, it appeared Giles went from one extreme to the other. Let me be clear. I was in constant contact with the DM. Giles never wavered from his singular and defining trait- self preservation. He was all about listening to Cassie because she was clearly EVIL and had EVIL plans and as you've all astutely noticed, Giles is EVIL and is trying to make you all more EVIL by muddying the waters of what is EVIL by trying to get you to do EVIL things like taking EVIL advice from the EVIL druid and doing EVIL things like EVIL blood magic.

And I shot her once she proved to be a non ally because I'm flipping Sir Giles, and it makes for a great story to tell of the harrowing battle between Giles, the druid, and her noble hound Chompers, and Giles's faithful companion Shep. Sure, that's not what really happened, but if only I survive, or I go my own way from the party, who will correct the tale? It certainly hasn't happened so far in what you're accurately surmising to be Sir Giles somewhat dubious history.

I think if anything, the lesson here is that our motives aren't clear to each other. Because I am known (both meta and in game) to the party to be somewhat ill intentioned, it's easier to key in on the strange things I do, especially when you don't have the benefit of what I (Matt, the player) have been instructed to do with Sir Giles.

I'm struggling because my mandate is to pull you left of center and cause trouble, and you fight me at every turn, but then embrace trouble like a cheap hooker when she comes outside of the "Sir Giles package" of offerings.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 323 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 21:15
  • msg #258

Re: OOC Discussion

People are complicated, and are more willing to overlook and rationalize the shortcomings of those they like. That's only human. Giles has acted, for lack of a better phrase, like a complete and utter tool, so yes, we are obviously going to come down hard on him. The path of the asshole is long and lonely.

That being said, you do bring up good points about consistency, and I think we've moved towards fleshing that out. But it's not as if the party is "out to get/spite" Giles specifically. Giles' actions are very consistently self centered, and the other bad options we've taken have been altruistic if misguided. So that's the biggest difference there, as Chris alluded to earlier. Bad decisions can be made for a bevy of reasons, and it's not necessarily inconsistent to choose to shun bad decisions for one motivation yet embrace them for another.

Plus, at the beginning of a campaign, it takes a bit of time for people to settle in on what their character is, does, and stands for. So some of the inconsistency you're seeing is from that adjustment phase.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:17, Tue 22 Oct 2013.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 127 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Tue 22 Oct 2013
at 22:02
  • msg #259

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 258):

I agree, and it's not a complaint. It was an effort to legitimately seek calibration for the exact reasons you've outlined.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 329 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 16:23
  • msg #260

Re: OOC Discussion

Okay, I guess now it's my turn to be a bit confused. Zuriel at least is actively listing to Giles. He brought up a good point about Boreas, and he brought up a good point about having the rangers deal with the clean up, and he brought up a good point about the story looking bad. Zuriel has acknowledged all three of those points, but asking a Druid how to clean up nature pushes him over the edge?

I'm not saying he doesn't have reasons, but he's acting like he's being ignored despite that. Maybe some internal dialogue would clarify what he's thinking, but now it's Giles who seems inconsistent. Or at least, angry about something different than what he's claiming to be angry at.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 133 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 16:39
  • msg #261

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 260):

Not at all. It's the same OOC post from earlier.

1-2 in game days ago, Cassie was an EVIL druid performing EVIL defiling of a SACRED area for EVIL purposes who was in the process of performing an EVIL ritual to bring her EVIL master back to life.

She then proceeded to attack all of us, and only surrendered once it became apparent she would be defeated.

1-2 days later, she is now trusted by the party, unbound, allowed to cast magic, the cause of the murder of 3 somewhat innocent civilians, and an active part of party decision making?

Color Giles confused as to how he continues to be the bad guy for thinking we should have killed her, and not understanding why you are all so quick to trust this woman, follow her, commit murder for her, and take advice from her. Her, her dog, and her response are the direct reason we are in this mess (in addition to the party lying to the mushroom man).

Giles is a selfish dick who has stolen some minor treasure from you. This is a person who actively tried to kill you and has caused the party nothing but grief since she was assimilated, and she is consistently met at each turn with trust and compassion, while Giles is met with skepticism, sarcasm, and at best, begrudging acceptance.

Singing the same song Z.
Boreas Highwind
player, 264 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 17:13
  • msg #262

Re: OOC Discussion

Our characters are supposed to be human beings (or elven beings, or whatever).  They are not computers that input a ratio of helpfulness to transgression and come up with a value.  We treat Cassie better because she treats us better.  She has shown more humanity than Giles ever has.  Yes, she was evil, but through the miracle of character development, the party's relationship with her has changed.

Giles has offered up a couple of good suggestions, but in general his attempts to force the party into conflict with each other and further promote his own self-interest are transparent and grating.  If that's how you play the character, you can't be surprised when no one likes him.  We like you, so our characters have put up with Giles for longer than most regular people probably would.  However, he acts like a petulant child and makes the game less fun for everyone.

Perhaps if he showed some kind of character development or growth, we would be more inclined to include him more actively.  I understand that real people don't change as quickly as, say, Cassie has, even with the traumatic events she's suffered.  But that's where a bit of suspension of disbelief has to come into play.
Keef
player, 169 posts
Hero in training
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 17:19
  • msg #263

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 262):

All other considerations aside... I didn't really see Giles forcing us to do anything... he's been Deadpooling like crazy with the meta commentary but...
Boreas Highwind
player, 265 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 17:26
  • msg #264

Re: OOC Discussion

But the reason Deadpool and Archer are enjoyable is that you as the reader/viewer get to identify with Deadpool/Sterling.  You get to laugh as everyone else has to put up with their antics.

In the context of the show/comic, though, the only person having fun is Archer or Deadpool.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:26, Wed 23 Oct 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 331 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 17:47
  • msg #265

Re: OOC Discussion

So if that's how Giles sees the situation, that seems in keeping with an egotistical asshole. If that's how you, Matt, sees the situation, then I need to provide additional clarification to you. It seems like Cassie is a major sticking point for Giles, and since Zuriel started that whole character arc, let me take a moment to explain, OOC.

Zuriel offered Cassie the opportunity to surrender. In part because he felt guilty about charging into her home and essentially executing a woman. Yes, she was evil, and doing evil deeds, but she wasn't actively engaged in harming other people until the party started putting an end to the defiler's experimentation. Almost any other paladin wouldn't have an issue just striking her down, but for Zuriel, she didn't fit the mold of an inhuman villain who must be stopped at all costs. He didn't have complete information on the situation, and wanted to stop the fight before it resulted in her death needlessly. Chomper also humanized her to the point where killing her would have been very difficult for Zuriel, a young paladin fresh out into the real world for the first time. Death is (almost) final, and Zuriel would have felt even worse about the scenario had they not given her the chance to lay down arms.

So she does, and then Giles executes her, a surrendering prisoner. This absolutely infuriated Zuriel on a very deep level, because there was absolutely no need for that, and it actually would have made the fight go on longer by enraging Chomper. So on all fronts - moral and tactical - it made no sense to Zuriel other than that Giles was either a) cruel or b) so jaded that he would execute somebody rather than taking a prisoner just because it was simpler. Right here, Giles irrevocably pisses off Zuriel.

So then Zuriel gets to talking to Cassie, hoping she could be redeemed. It becomes apparent that Cassie is altruistic if completely misguided.

This is the difference that Zuriel sees between Cassie and Giles in a nutshell: Cassie does the wrong things for the right reasons, whereas Giles, even when he does the right thing, is doing it for the wrong reasons. Zuriel sees very quickly that Giles is at heart completely selfish, and that makes him, ironically, much harder for Zuriel trust and work with than Cassie, even though Cassie at the time is actively evil.

Zuriel, for his part, starts to project his hopes and ideals onto Cassie: that people can be redeemed, and somebody who was once good but started down the wrong path can find their way again. Now, I understand that this is inconsistent and that he should technically be extending the same benefit of a doubt to Giles, but Zuriel finds it much much harder because ideals are easier to relate to for Zuriel, even if they're wrong, than trying to redeem a core selfishness. Plus, Giles is an asshole and Cassie is pleasant. So there's that component too.

So I hope that explains the core of why Zuriel trusts Cassie more than Giles. It's not an absolute complete trust by any means, but he understands Cassie better than Giles.

Fast forward to the current clusterfuck. Zuriel (and myself) don't see any substantive link between us misrepresenting ourselves and the Exterminators killing Chomper. If that's how these guys dealt with disappointment over 150 gp, then these people are raging asshole dicks. Anyhow, Zuriel understands that losing Chomper was literally Cassie losing a part of herself, she would have taken the feedback when she died. So she gets a pass on being enraged and fighting. Does Zuriel like it? Hell no, but he can't really fault her for it or say that he would have reacted differently had he been in her shoes. Then Boreas goes all vigilante, and Zuriel follows, rationalizing as he goes, trying to keep things from getting put of hand and damage control. Then Boreas shoots first, which Zuriel *IS* pissed about and *WILL* bring up because it was bullshit. Giles didn't even need to point that out. I will stress though, that Zuriel does see Boreas' actions as less somewhat atrocious than murdering a prisoner, due to Boreas' motivations and the fact that the evil exterminator was still armed and dangerous. Boreas will probably be able to further mollify Zuriel if he explains that the gem is influencing his behavior to defend the forests. And make no mistake, these exterminators *were* breaking the law, and Clem *was* evil. Still, the whole situation is way messier than it should have been and Zuriel feels very badly about it. He (and I) hope to avoid anything similar in the future,

Sorry for the wall of text, but I hope that helps explain why Zuriel is acting differently towards Cassie than Giles, so that you, Matt, understand better where he's coming from.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 136 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 17:51
  • msg #266

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 264):

He's been tasked with trying to sow dissent and conflict. You're free to evolve, but the characters and to a lesser extent, the player, see it differently, and he's acting accordingly, in addition to fleshing out his background a bit with Maeve.

When you've shown him no inkling of trust, and you trust others over him more readily, what does someone with Sir Giles ego think besides you're never going to trust him, you're never going to like him, and when you find out his secret, you WILL turn on him.

You're asking why I haven't considered the party's interactions are shaped by Sir Giles character; I would ask the same question to you. What has the party done to endear Sir Giles?

To Z- If we never misrepresented ourselves to the mushroom man, we don't take the exterminators job/money, and they don't come out looking for us, which means they don't run into Chompers, which means he doesn't die, which means Cassie doesn't go nuts, which means Boreas doesn't go nuts, which means Keef doesn't evaporate them all. I see it as pretty clear causality.
Boreas Highwind
player, 266 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 17:55
  • msg #267

Re: OOC Discussion

For starters, take up arms to rescue him from almost certain death at the hands of the Chief, then help him rescue his faithful hound dog.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 137 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 18:02
  • msg #268

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 267):

That situation may not have been as it seemed. More to come once it's appropriate..
Zuriel Silendril
player, 332 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 18:06
  • msg #269

Re: OOC Discussion

You're trying really hard to pin all this death as a direct unavoidable consequence of doing a job before the contractors showed up, and I'm not really sure why you're hung up on that, of all things in that last wall of text post.

It's not clear that the exterminators were hunting us down, and even if they were, there is no excuse for killing nature on the way for the hell of it. Chomper is a casualty of the plot device, which is fine, but for Giles to be spending so much energy thinking about how a misrepresentation could have potentially led to the issues at hand seems waaaaaaaay the hell out of character for him. There is no way somebody who acts as consistently irresponsibly as Giles would be stressing over the possible butterfly effects of minor transgressions.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 138 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 18:10
  • msg #270

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 269):

This is me (Matt) seeing the connection.

Giles just doesn't trust Cassie, and thinks it's crazy you do. I'm trying to background it more for Maeve, but in character, Giles so inherently distrusts you and knows you don't trust him, there's no reason for him to be honest.

He actually kind of trusts Maeve because she's been consistent in her interactions with him- a known commodity?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 334 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 18:34
  • msg #271

Re: OOC Discussion

Fair point, but that connection is very, very meta, and you can't expect us to make that link in character.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 140 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 20:00
  • msg #272

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 271):

For those of you who can't see the PMs- I wrote Sir Giles out of the campaign.

The longevity of his departure will be somewhat determined by your actions, somewhat determined by what Matt the player does with him, and of course, the largest part- what the DM does!

Maeve may or may not tell you more at her discretion.

Once I get the ok from Aaron, I'll definitely share some other background stuff which I think will provide a bit more context.
Boreas Highwind
player, 267 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 20:09
  • msg #273

Re: OOC Discussion

It should be interesting to see how that develops.  I'm excited to see how you manifest next.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 336 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 20:31
  • msg #274

Re: OOC Discussion

Agreed. I'm looking forward to playing with you, Giles was just exceedingly hard to work with all around I think.
DM
GM, 375 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 20:49
  • msg #275

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 274):

By design!

Sir Giles Thistleworth began as a mashup of Captain Hammer and Sterling Archer, with a splash of Starscream and Strong Bad tossed in for good measure.  The result is apparent, but how did it come to this?

Giles was created with several goals in mind, chief among them to challenge your beliefs on what it means to be a hero.  Giles had the intended confusing effect on Keef, as well as the predictably rapid disillusionment on the part of the rest of the PARTY in terms of who he was and what he stood for.

Giles is an example of what you can become if you lose yourself in being a hero and stop paying attention to why you got into the business in the first place.

Deeper still is the idea that Giles wasn't always that way.  All of his stories are based at least loosely on true events, and until recently the allegations of honest-to-goodness heroism were not excessively exaggerated.  The lesson here is that adventuring is dangerous even if you survive, and can change a person in ways that are certainly not for the better.

Giles is akin to a fallen lawful/stupid paladin who doesn't know that he's been forsaken -- or how far from the ledge he really is.  This lack of knowledge is not through ignorance; some part of him is certainly aware of what he has lost, and what he now represents.  The intended message on this aspect is the very real notion that through unceasing self-rationalization, it's possible to convince yourself that anything is the right thing to do -- even if it's clearly not to a rational observer.

I will admit that I was surprised to see how swiftly and how harshly Giles was judged by the PARTY; I think that has more to do with him being an (N)PC than his actual behaviors, because it casts him as an outsider from the start.

Regardless, I'm overall quite happy with how his arc has played out thus far -- and I doubt it will be the last you've seen or heard from the living legend that is Sir Giles Thistleworth.

Side note: it's interesting to compare Giles to Cassandra, who is at her core a basically pleasant person who earnestly believes she is doing the right thing, even thought the results of that thing are terrible.  Perhaps she believes herself a martyr for the cause, forced into necessary evils, every bit as much as Giles views himself as a hero upon whom the world has shat.

I'm loving these conversations, and I hope this background provides some further context for them.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 337 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 21:09
  • msg #276

Re: OOC Discussion

My guess would be that, more than the fact that he was an (N)PC, it is genuinely un/anti fun to have to deal with a Sterling Archer for such a length of time, so I think we all quickly lost patience with him IC and OOC. It's hard to give somebody a chance when they are actively making suboptimal decisions to sow discontent and being a tool without much character context (that we knew of). For me at least, rather than Giles being an irritating element of the story that we had to deal with in character but was nonetheless compelling, it felt like we had to take time out of the story to deal with his antics. From that perspective, the party put up with him for just about as long as I would have expected.

Just my two cents.

I would like to reiterate that this is in no way targeted at Matt. I am genuinely looking forward to having you in the campaign. Just not as Giles ;-p
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 141 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 21:58
  • msg #277

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 276):

It's just divergent objectives. That you had to take time to deal with my antics means I was doing what I was supposed to be doing. And to be clear, Sir Giles was Aaron's idea. I did not request an Archer style antihero- but it fit the concept he wanted.

It's fine guys. Now Sir Giles can probably not recognize his true calling as your arch nemesis.

I think the one thing I regret is that, and I said this to Maeve, as much as Aaron and I never told you why Giles was how he was, you also never really asked. He was definitely an antihero at best, and an evil DB at worst, but we never really probed in character why. I guess that's partly my failing for not providing internal monologue sooner. It's why I started doing so when we were in the vault. After my monologue, Zuriel internaled it, and I was really hoping we'd finally go there.

I'll be clear- I can definitely see why he would have been a pain in the ass to deal with in character. To me, the moral is, you can have a party member who by design has ulterior motives, but you can't also ask him to be a fame mongering treasure hunting braggart with a horrible dark secret that makes him inherently evil, too.

You guys had formulated your final opinions on Sir Giles when he tried to start drawing contrasts between himself and Cassie, and it wasn't going to change. It made the most sense to not just keep hitting the nail with the hammer and move to the next portion of the story.

It also means I might get to roll someone whose whole objective isn't to torment you guys physically and emotionally. So we've got that going for us.

I'm playing around with a concept about a swordsage from the Book of the Nine Swords (http://www.feuros.com/D&D/Tome%20of%20Battle.pdf) who can only speak in one word sentences, is highly literal, and is predominantly based on nonverbal descriptions of body language. And Aaron willing, won't necessarily be trying to kill you :p
Maeve
player, 189 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 22:18
  • msg #278

Re: OOC Discussion

I sort of enjoyed having Giles around! (Let's reiterate the "sort of."  A lot of that enjoyment came from Magee constantly sending me messages during work and class about how we should kill Giles.)  It brought to mind the good old days of questing with Ghaleon.

I would like to counter Aaron and Matt's posts here by arguing that I don't think that our characters' reactions to Giles were *that* far off the mark.  Zuriel and Lyriel are basically paragons of righteousness so it makes sense that they were not too keen on Giles from the very start.  And Keef's reactions were spot-on as the youngster idealizing this figure from tales even though the rest of the gang didn't necessarily like him.  My antipathy toward Giles evolved somewhat as he grew from a fellow who was essentially Gaston in "Beauty and the Beast" to someone who was obviously rather more malevolent.

Thing is though. . . .I never had the impression that Giles was evil. Still don't. Very, very self-centered to the point of endangering the life and limb of other party members, maybe.  But not evil.  So y'alls' assertions in these posts that he is indeed evil is something of a surprise.

All well.  Godspeed, Giles.  Perhaps our paths may yet cross again.  On with the story!
Maeve
player, 190 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 23 Oct 2013
at 23:09
  • msg #279

Re: OOC Discussion

Ghaleon of course was the nobleman/warrior played by Pumpmition John in my first D&D campaign.  He started off the campaign as kind of a douche and by the time we reached the final session, he was a full-blown evil bastard.  Who carried in his inventory a monk's disguise, a peasant's disguise, and a full set of silverware.

I guess we should all be grateful that Giles didn't come with a toady, a la Mloclam.
Boreas Highwind
player, 269 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 07:31
  • msg #280

Re: OOC Discussion

Ghaleon, though, worked with the party to accomplish his goals, even if he subtly directed their objectives toward things he wanted.  He didn't actively hinder the progress of the story until the very end of the game, when he tried to bring his evil plans to fruition.

Giles was an interesting experiment that didn't work, but that's ok.  I'll be interested to see what Matt's new character will be like.
DM
GM, 376 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 12:42
  • msg #281

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 278):

Good and evil are tricky. I prefer to view it thusly: if a character is primarily motivated by altruisitic means, they are good. By selfish means, they are evil. Mixture of both? Neutral. Giles isn't necessarily burn-the-world evil, but his dedication to himself above all others, even if his gains would be significantly more trivial than the losses incurredby others during his efforts to procure them, makes him evil.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 338 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 12:45
  • msg #282

Re: OOC Discussion

If only we had had some way to Detect that he was a wolf in douche clothing...
Keef
player, 172 posts
Hero in training
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 12:47
  • msg #283

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 282):

If it were douche in wolf clothing we could just look for the Hot Topic tag on his shirt...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 340 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 13:11
  • msg #284

Re: OOC Discussion

Keef:
In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 282):

If it were douche in wolf clothing we could just look for the Hot Topic tag on his shirt...


This
DM
GM, 377 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 13:56
  • msg #285

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 284):

Boy howdy, I'm shocked -- shocked! -- that the great Sir Giles Thistleworth might have gone to extraordinary lengths to protect his reputation against something as predictably annoying as the Flame's omnipresent detection abilities.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:56, Thu 24 Oct 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 341 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 14:11
  • msg #286

Re: OOC Discussion

Greater Underwear of Obscure Alignment?
Keef
player, 174 posts
Hero in training
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 14:18
  • msg #287

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 286):

Lesser Girdle of Obscured Dimensions
Maeve
player, 193 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:01
  • msg #288

Re: OOC Discussion

So just to be sure I'm understanding this correctly: werewolves are evil just by virtue of the fact that they are werewolves?  So if someone who was good-aligned got bit by a werewolf, they would automatically become evil?  Seems a little weird.
Boreas Highwind
player, 273 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:05
  • msg #289

Re: OOC Discussion

I don't think it's automatic.  But the bestial drives that come with the disease influence a person in that direction, even if some people can resist it.  I always thought of lycanthropy as behaving a lot like rabies (which is, incidentally, why weresharks and weregators seem really dumb to me).
DM
GM, 379 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:08
  • msg #290

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 288):

Becoming a werewolf, or undead, or anything else that's inherently evil leads an individual down that path irrevocably (at least, while that condition persists).  It doesn't necessarily happen all at once, but it does happen eventually

If you found yourself unable to survive without draining the life force of others, for example, you would do be forced to do so at some point or perish.  Since nobody wants to end up in the special place in the Nine Hells associated with suicide, you'd do what you had to do.  In doing so, you would eventually become accustomed to it, and we're right back at the self-rationalization problem.

Even the most virtuous person will steal and even kill when they get hungry enough.

If it helps, think of it as a side effect of the dark energies courses through their minds and bodies, corrupting their thoughts.

Or you could just repeat after me: a wizard did it.
Maeve
player, 194 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:09
  • msg #291

Re: OOC Discussion

That makes a bit more sense.  Otherwise it's akin to saying something like "everyone with AIDS is evil"
Keef
player, 175 posts
Hero in training
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:10
  • msg #292

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 289):

A disease that allows you to change into another animal is fine but the fact that it might not be a mammal bugs you?
This message was last edited by the player at 16:11, Thu 24 Oct 2013.
DM
GM, 380 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:12
  • msg #293

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 292):

I like the rabies analogy.  I think weresharks are "ok" because sharks get that blood haze thing going. Were-peaceful-critters I don't particularly like.  ALL FEAR THE WERERABBITS!
Keef
player, 176 posts
Hero in training
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:12
  • msg #294

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 292):

Was our sleep sufficiently disturbed that we spellcasters didn't get our 8?
Keef
player, 177 posts
Hero in training
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:13
  • msg #295

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 293):

I'm more afraid of Werlawyers myself...
Boreas Highwind
player, 274 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:14
  • msg #296

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 293):

It's more that it only makes sense in warm-blooded things.  Because of the rabies analogy.

Lawyers are cold-blooded, so they're definitely out.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:15, Thu 24 Oct 2013.
DM
GM, 381 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:15
  • msg #297

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 295):

Nah.  Refresh your spells. Nobody's fatigued.

I want you all to die because you were beaten in combat/made terrible tactical choices, not because you tossed and turned for 20 minutes too few :)
Maeve
player, 195 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:15
  • msg #298

Re: OOC Discussion

In some African folklore, there exists such a thing as the werehippopotamus.  Not kidding.  Now THAT would be scary.
Keef
player, 178 posts
Hero in training
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:16
  • msg #299

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 298):

...especially if he had a law degree.
DM
GM, 382 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 24 Oct 2013
at 16:17
  • msg #300

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 299):

wereboars and wererhinos I like.

Rocksteady! Bebop! Charge!
DM
GM, 394 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 25 Oct 2013
at 18:09
  • msg #301

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 300):

When you say things like "The exterminators attacked a member of the party", you run the risk of needing a Bluff check instead of Diplomacy.

Chomper wasn't a member of the party. He was the familiar/pet/animal companion of a prisoner.  If you mean Boreas, that attack was most certainly precipitated by actions taken against the exterminators beforehand.

It's a half-truth at best.  I realize it's in your best interests to interpret the events the way you did during this presentation, but that's not really how a paladin is taught to deal with things.  Here's what I would expect a paladin to say:

quote:
"That situation got out of hand, and I have made arrangements with the offending parties to ensure it never happens again.  I'd be happy to explain that to the Wardens when they arrive, and accept their judgement on the matter."


Hell, a more righteous one (lawful/stupid) might say:

quote:
"Those were evil men, and they have only their wickedness to blame for the events that befell them.  Only the Goddess can judge my actions; don't presume to do so yourself."


I might further wonder if Clem owned BUZZKILL or was an employee.  If he or the others had families.  If there's a legal precedent/report that needs to be filed in these situations.  Paladins do dish out justice, but they are not Wardens.

You are of course welcome to do whatever you want. I'm enjoying the story either way.  I just wanted to point of that I'm reading some half-truths being presented as facts, and that kind of evasive justification for actions you know are at least in some way shady may have repercussions in the future.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:14, Fri 25 Oct 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 283 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 25 Oct 2013
at 18:20
  • msg #302

Re: OOC Discussion

Perhaps Zuriel was partly swayed by Boreas' view of Chomper as absolutely a member of the party.  He may also have meant Cassie, who was certainly attacked, though her "membership" in the party is debatable.  She is traveling with us, so it makes sense.

Zuriel, while he still has the requisite paladin ass-stick, seems to have one of a significantly smaller diameter than most.  That is to say, sometimes he doesn't do things the way "a typical paladin" would.  Regardless of whether Clem owned BUZZKILL, he was actively killing things in nature and directing his subordinates to do the same, not to mention he registered on Zuriel's evil-dar.  It doesn't seem to me like his representation is disingenuous.

Also, speculating on what characters, especially PCs "would have done" is quite the can of worms.  For example, we could start speculating on why anyone associated closely enough with Giles to use a fifth-level spell for him would voluntarily contact the Wardens and invite them into the woods.  Just saying :p
Zuriel Silendril
player, 353 posts
Emerald Flame
House Silendril
Fri 25 Oct 2013
at 18:22
  • msg #303

Re: OOC Discussion

That's fine, and a fair point. We can retroactively go back and make those adjustments if needed. Zuriel is not trying to be evasive here. He did see Cassie as a member of the party. At the very least, she was under his protection. So his description of the events are as he sees them, not him trying to obscure info. If you want him to add a bit about the situation having gotten out of hand, he certainly can.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:26, Fri 25 Oct 2013.
DM
GM, 395 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 25 Oct 2013
at 18:26
  • msg #304

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 303):

You misunderstand.  I do not think the response is out of character for Zuriel.  I'm just flashing hazard lights at the Paladin's Code.  It exists to keep things on an even keel, sure, but it also keeps people from become Fallen.

Not that Zuriel is anywhere near becoming Fallen.  I just want to have the conversation in mind moving forward.

I like the Zuriel isn't a typical stick-in-the-ass paladin, but he does need to be different from a lawful/good warrior who worships Tassada.  The code doesn't specifically say "no lies" but it does say a great deal about honor and telling it like it is, consequences be damned.

As for how Giles had access to Sending, that will become clearer shortly.  Suffice it to say the person who helped him has nothing to fear from the Empire.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:28, Fri 25 Oct 2013.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 142 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Fri 25 Oct 2013
at 18:46
  • msg #305

Re: OOC Discussion

As the person performing sinister actions, what is sending and how did I access it?
DM
GM, 396 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 25 Oct 2013
at 18:47
  • msg #306

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 305):

You already... it's in the thing I haven't posted yet.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:47, Fri 25 Oct 2013.
Maeve
player, 198 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 26 Oct 2013
at 16:48
  • msg #307

Re: OOC Discussion

Wouldn't it be hilarious/awesome if it turned out that Chubbs was the campaign's final villain?
Keef
player, 181 posts
Hero in training
Sat 26 Oct 2013
at 17:05
  • msg #308

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 307):

Well, tha twist is ruined...
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 143 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Essence of Awesomenes
Sat 26 Oct 2013
at 18:01
  • msg #309

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 308):

Chubbs is obviously the master, or was at least possessed by the spirit of whoever last held the everstaff. That explains Keef's affinity for and understanding of it.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 145 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Tue 29 Oct 2013
at 20:27
  • msg #310

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 309):

Wait so bringing the evil druid(s) to the good druid(s) was a bad idea?!

WHO COULD HAVE FORESEEN THIS LOATHSOME DEVELOPMENT? :p
Boreas Highwind
player, 297 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 29 Oct 2013
at 20:32
  • msg #311

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm not convinced it was a bad idea.  We might be done with Veilspire if this goes well.  At the least, we'll have diminished its power.

Unless we all die.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 377 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 29 Oct 2013
at 20:38
  • msg #312

Re: OOC Discussion

QUICKENED MAXIMIZED ENLARGED ICE STORM
DM
GM, 429 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 29 Oct 2013
at 21:15
  • msg #313

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 312):

Stop reading ahead...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 378 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 29 Oct 2013
at 21:35
  • msg #314

Re: OOC Discussion

Hehe.

Do want to point out briefly that Lyriel moving up to the front was not at all out of character. She's not a healbot, she's a cleric who channels positive energy with a side of burning holy fire. So her moving up to attack was exactly what she should have done. Granted, Veilspire attacking her in return is also exactly what he should have done.

In my mind, both characters were doing what they were supposed to. Veilspire just got super lucky that Lyriel missed by one on the attack and he didn't get himself doused with 24 holy damage ;-p
DM
GM, 430 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 29 Oct 2013
at 21:41
  • msg #315

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 314):

I didn't say it was out of character.  I said it was dangerous.  And I stand by that... :)
Boreas Highwind
player, 299 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 00:03
  • msg #316

Re: OOC Discussion

Spellcraft 22 to figure out what Keef cast on Zuriel.  The second roll was an error.  Did it on my phone.
DM
GM, 431 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 00:56
  • msg #317

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 316):
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 146 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 01:19
  • msg #318

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 317):

Sir Giles comes through and saves Lyriel life! Cmon now- that's good stuff.

Awesome fight guys!
Keef
player, 194 posts
Hero in training
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 01:50
  • msg #319

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 316):

A paranoid Ranger... that I buy but a ranger with Spellcraft?  Apparently I have much to learn about 3.5...
Boreas Highwind
player, 300 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 02:13
  • msg #320

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm a warlock.  Spellcraft's a class spell, and essential for Detect Magic, which I get as an at-will ability.  Actually makes sense for me to have it, don't worry :p
DM
GM, 432 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 13:14
  • msg #321

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 320):

Only his first level was a woodsman-related class, so far.  The whole glowing eye lasers thing was intended to be a hint :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 380 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 13:22
  • msg #322

Re: OOC Discussion

He's a warlock, he's a warlock, he's a warlock!

(A class you can trust!)
Keef
player, 195 posts
Hero in training
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 13:23
  • msg #323

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 322):

Ah, cool
Keef
player, 196 posts
Hero in training
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 13:24
  • msg #324

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 323):

Also... I wonder if Veilspire's offer to surrender was actually an offer or just villain monologue
Zuriel Silendril
player, 381 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 13:28
  • msg #325

Re: OOC Discussion

He was twirling his spectral mustache at the time soooooo...
DM
GM, 435 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 15:26
  • msg #326

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 325):

Let's try to stick to initiative order in combat, even if it's just a clump of PCs taking actions.  People are pinging me all day long confused about who's turn it is, and why so-and-so went out of order, etc.

If you want to hold your action, just make a post to that effect and then update again when the held condition is met.

Thanks!
Maeve
player, 211 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 15:42
  • msg #327

Re: OOC Discussion

Y'all are about to be very upset with me for not thinking of something very important much sooner.
Boreas Highwind
player, 302 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 30 Oct 2013
at 15:48
  • msg #328

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 326):

I am sticking to initiative order.  My initiative was reset to be immediately after Veilspire once that hold action went off.
DM
GM, 450 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 4 Nov 2013
at 22:49
  • msg #329

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 328):

I'm pausing here intentionally so each player can take a moment to decide how "learning to fly" will work for them. Have fun with it. Essentially you can move at half speed in any direction when levitating or flying.  You can also "land" on the appropriate terrain, at which point you gain normal movement speed.
Maeve
player, 220 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 5 Nov 2013
at 17:11
  • msg #330

Re: OOC Discussion

I keep thinking of this book's illustrations:

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_KXJ5...ogs+on+lillypads.jpg
Keef
player, 207 posts
Hero in training
Tue 5 Nov 2013
at 17:37
  • msg #331

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 330):

Aaaaaaaaand now that's all I can think of...
Keef
player, 210 posts
Hero in training
Thu 7 Nov 2013
at 13:45
  • msg #332

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 331):

damnit Giles!  You beat me to the line!
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 148 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 7 Nov 2013
at 14:22
  • msg #333

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 332):

Ray, when someone asks you if you're a god, you say "Yes!"
DM
GM, 457 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 7 Nov 2013
at 14:22
  • msg #334

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 333):

It's a great line, preserved above. But it shatters the fourth wall, so I had to move it out of the actual thread.

Laughed my ass off, btw.  Nice.
Maeve
player, 225 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 8 Nov 2013
at 20:38
  • msg #335

Re: OOC Discussion

By the way, y'all's engagement does NOT give Zuriel and Lyriel the excuse to behave even more insufferably than they already do. :p
DM
GM, 461 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 8 Nov 2013
at 21:33
  • msg #336

Re: OOC Discussion

What happens in not-Aeryis stays in not-Aeryis... you'll need to propose HERE to get the same sort of hero's welcome in-game :)
Boreas Highwind
player, 314 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 8 Nov 2013
at 21:48
  • msg #337

Re: OOC Discussion

Don't encourage them.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 389 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 8 Nov 2013
at 23:50
  • msg #338

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 337)

Haha, don't worry,  we're going to stay within the framework of the story.
Keef
player, 214 posts
Hero in training
Sat 9 Nov 2013
at 01:52
  • msg #339

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 338):

Although matrimony is certainly not 'within the framework', I presume some light snogging isn't?

Elves man...
DM
GM, 465 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 11 Nov 2013
at 14:50
  • msg #340

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 339):

We will now resume a more regular updating pace.  Sorry for the slowdown over the last few days.  Life has been absurdly busy.
Boreas Highwind
player, 317 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 11 Nov 2013
at 17:00
  • msg #341

Re: OOC Discussion

Good timing really.  I'm  moved in now - well at least the furniture, so I'll be posting more regularly too.

Also, is Purity Index something most humans would know?
DM
GM, 467 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 11 Nov 2013
at 17:05
  • msg #342

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 341):

Eh, depends.  Knowing your exact PI is like your normal blood pressure or blood sugar -- only a subset of the population bothers to remember it.  Knowing your rough % would be more common, like knowing your blood type.  Those who do not come from upper/middle-class or better probably don't even know that.

It does have practical applications, as higher PI values indicate more human-oriented medical care would work better, and lower PI values would indicate more elven-oriented medical care would be appropriate.  Higher PI values also reduces life expectancy, as the longevity comes from the elven lines.

Worth noting, there are two measures: EPI and HPI (for Elven Purity Index and Human Purity Index).  Neither are politically correct, and the vast majority of the population in Tris just refers to it as the E/H Ratio.

EPI is common among Drow and certain Highborn circles.  HPI is common in pure human families and those committed to their cause.  Academies and hospitals tend to use E/H Ratio.

Basically, if you have a high (90% or better) EPI or HPI, your family will make sure you know it, as it's rare and thus tends to be a source of pride.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:12, Mon 11 Nov 2013.
Keef
player, 222 posts
Hero in training
Fri 15 Nov 2013
at 02:39
  • msg #343

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 342):

so how would touching/hitting the collar work?  touch attack?
Boreas Highwind
player, 325 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 15 Nov 2013
at 04:16
  • msg #344

Re: OOC Discussion

I asked Fennell too.  It's an inanimate object, so there's no attack roll to hit it.  You just hit and roll damage.
DM
GM, 477 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 15 Nov 2013
at 14:32
  • msg #345

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 344):

I apologize for not clarifying this publicly.  I set up the NPC section for the collar just like I had for the gate ya'll smashed down earlier, but I should have also put a note somewhere.

You can't miss the choker.  You can, however, fail to damage it if you don't exceed its hardness (which is subtracted from your damage roll).
Boreas Highwind
player, 329 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 16 Nov 2013
at 04:09
  • msg #346

Re: OOC Discussion

And Wildheart wins the Least Valuable NPC award for that fight, which I hope is over.
DM
GM, 484 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 18 Nov 2013
at 04:39
  • msg #347

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 346):

MIA this weekend, sorry. Back in the saddle Monday morning.  Thanks all!
DM
GM, 489 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 18 Nov 2013
at 23:24
  • msg #348

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 347):

Resolving something behind-the-scenes at the moment, troops. We'll resume soon as I have the info I need to point you in the right direction :)
Boreas Highwind
player, 344 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 20 Nov 2013
at 22:03
  • msg #349

Re: OOC Discussion

2000th Post!  Wheeeee!
Keef
player, 240 posts
Hero in training
Thu 21 Nov 2013
at 00:41
  • msg #350

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 349):

REALLY debated handing him the magical berries... but Keef has some questions about the staff too I suppose...
DM
GM, 501 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 21 Nov 2013
at 14:44
  • msg #351

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 350):

You still have the morning for that if you want them ID'd.  I have updated the loot thread with juicy details, so you aren't stuck with the prose version :)
Keef
player, 243 posts
Hero in training
Thu 21 Nov 2013
at 20:40
  • msg #352

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 351):

With respect to IDing... who has the 'Tarnished Silver Ring' right now?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 401 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 21 Nov 2013
at 20:47
  • msg #353

Re: OOC Discussion

Pretty sure you do. But you're using my ID on,so you still get one more.
Keef
player, 244 posts
Hero in training
Thu 21 Nov 2013
at 21:14
  • msg #354

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 353):

Ok, great.  Thanks!
This message was last edited by the player at 21:15, Thu 21 Nov 2013.
Keef
player, 247 posts
Hero in training
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 15:29
  • msg #355

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 354):

Man, 2 enchanted cookies and a magical blueberry: a healer is me!

In combat, what's the DC for throwing a berry into someone's mouth?
DM
GM, 507 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 15:32
  • msg #356

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 355):

It's... um... so, ranged touch with an oppressive circumstance penalty.

You could forcefeed an ally if you're near them using potion rules, though!
DM
GM, 508 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 15:33
  • msg #357

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 356):

For those who got critted by the WALL OF TEXT in the "meanwhile (party split)" post, I've added some dividers and colors to make the reading easier.  It's a good story that has some important implications about midriel's state of affairs.  I won't make ya read it but I think it's worth a go :)
Keef
player, 248 posts
Hero in training
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 15:36
  • msg #358

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 356):

Fair enough.

Team: I think it's worthwhile to practice catching small objects in our mouths now so that we can be ready later.
Maeve
player, 249 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 20:31
  • msg #359

Re: OOC Discussion

Zuriel Silendril
player, 405 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 20:37
  • msg #360

Re: OOC Discussion

Insert joke about Winter Coming
Keef
player, 250 posts
Hero in training
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 20:41
  • msg #361

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 360):

Here it is:

http://theoatmeal.com/comics/winter_is_coming
Zuriel Silendril
player, 406 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 22 Nov 2013
at 20:48
  • msg #362

Re: OOC Discussion

Yup, there we go.
DM
GM, 512 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 24 Nov 2013
at 02:47
  • msg #363

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 362):

Sorry for the delay. Back in town on Sunday
DM
GM, 513 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 24 Nov 2013
at 22:38
  • msg #364

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 363):

And back!  But looks like action is currently on Keef at the xroads.
Keef
player, 251 posts
Hero in training
Mon 25 Nov 2013
at 00:54
  • msg #365

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 364):

Nope.  I think Boreas was going to try to hit the bell with his bow.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 408 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 25 Nov 2013
at 01:44
  • msg #366

Re: OOC Discussion

We all gotta check in first before Boreas tries that :-)
This message was last edited by the player at 02:23, Mon 25 Nov 2013.
Keef
player, 253 posts
Hero in training
Mon 25 Nov 2013
at 02:51
  • msg #367

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 366):

Whoops! Done
Zuriel Silendril
player, 409 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 25 Nov 2013
at 03:03
  • msg #368

Re: OOC Discussion

Hehe no worries. I think we were all off doing stuff this weekend anyway.
DM
GM, 518 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 26 Nov 2013
at 19:50
  • msg #369

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 368):

Anyone charging into the trees needs to send me a Reflex, Reflex, and Con check.  And yeah, that's CON and not Fort.

It's not a bad thing.  Probably.  But I need it :)
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 150 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 15:35
  • msg #370

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 369):

I'm admittedly behind on the game, but I just finished rereading, and I'm curious how the party knows that Giles is setting up in the vault, or really that he might be the source of any of your trouble?

At no point in his conversation does he make mention to Maeve that he runs Mi'Driel, was heading to the vault, etc, and while it is a somewhat logical conclusion, unless I have missed something, the party would have no grounds to assume Giles and Mi'driel were waiting for them at the vault. You spent weeks dicking around with Wildheart. For all you know, Giles immediately went back to the vault and cleaned it out.

Or maybe Giles is dead, gone to the wind, at the bottom of a pile of pussy in a seedy whorehouse, or just roaming the countryside talking about how great he is.

What I'd like to understand is how you knew, aside from my "while you were sleeping" that Giles and Mi'driel were one and the same, and they were coming for you at the vault.

As a player in this game, it's really a bummer to spend time working on the background, coming up with a story with the DM, and to come back to the story and essentially be presented with what looks like (based on my lack of knowledge) to be a complete metagame and disassembly of my arc.

Can you all clarify and tell me what I missed?
Boreas Highwind
player, 353 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 16:16
  • msg #371

Re: OOC Discussion

Book. of. Answers.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 419 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 16:50
  • msg #372

Re: OOC Discussion

^This

Final piece of the puzzle that made everything click together. I was very careful not to mix OOC and IC knowledge with regards to Giles.

Also, it hasn't been weeks since we parted company with Giles. By my count it has been less than 72 hours.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 151 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 17:05
  • msg #373

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 371):

Thank you for the in no way condescending response.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 420 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 17:32
  • msg #374

Re: OOC Discussion

I believe Boreas was just emphasizing the value of the Book of Answers as an item with his response.

The Book of Answers is pretty much the best thing ever.
Maeve
player, 255 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 18:25
  • msg #375

Re: OOC Discussion

To be fair, the Book of Answers did just say that someone we've met before would be at the Vault, but it does seem reasonably safe to assume that it's Giles.
DM
GM, 521 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 19:03
  • msg #376

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 375):

I am not certain that, in a vacuum, the book would have pointed directly at Giles as though there are no other answers to consider.

I would have thought Lukas would be more readily in mind or maybe even Binkles or Gregor or something. On the list, sure, but there wasn't even any discussion.

 I had zuriel fight a blueband for Pete's sake, after which he wondered why Lukas had a change of heart.  What about the book's answer caused you to deviate from that hypothesis?

I think in the future I will be playing twists and turns closer to the chest both ICly and OOCly, and explain the why and the how and the when afterward instead of using it as build up.

I have been looking forward to this place in the story since we first began, and I am sad to see so much friction associated with it. Matt has worked very hard on this part of the story - I expect his efforts to be given the same respect ad mine and your fellow PC's.

I will respond more fully soon when I have a computer and not a phone to type on.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 421 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 19:32
  • msg #377

Re: OOC Discussion

It was the "familiar face" line. Giles was the only familiar face who also knew that the vault had been opened. I don't think that was an unreasonable leap of intuition. So he was either there in the vault himself, or told somebody else about it, which is unlikely given his avowed avarice.

Zuriel does *not* know that Giles has taken over Mi'driel, though he suspects that Giles is somehow involved at least with the blackbands. He doesn't know the complexities, and doesn't even have an inkling that Giles would have infected others with Lycanthropy. He doesn't know that Giles informed the Wardens of the exterminator fiasco.

As a DM, if you felt that was an improper use of IC knowledge, I would have liked to know earlier when I could have changed my assumptions before it got too wrapped up in story. I really am trying my best to have Zuriel react to situations based only on the information he has and the assumptions and extrapolations he would reasonably make.
Boreas Highwind
player, 354 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 28 Nov 2013
at 19:57
  • msg #378

Re: OOC Discussion

Until the "While you were sleeping" post, I had assumed Giles formed his own group of Blackbands who had been expelled from Mi'driel.  Like Zuriel, Boreas has no idea of anything other than the fact that Giles is present, is a lycanthrope, and likely has some Blackarm friends.

With regards to the condescending response, I suppose I and possibly the others are tiring of having our play questioned and criticized constantly.
DM
GM, 522 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 29 Nov 2013
at 17:04
  • msg #379

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 378):

Slight pause in the action due to holidays... Will update tonight if I can.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 152 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Fri 29 Nov 2013
at 18:17
  • msg #380

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 378):

To be clear, I didn't criticize; I asked for clarification. I admitted it was likely I had missed something, and I had. I hadn't been in the game for a few weeks, and things had happened. Zuriel explained. Totally fine.

I gave you the background so you'd know why I was asking, in an attempt to avoid the appearance of criticism, and to explain why it was important to me. I didn't understand how you'd put the pieces together, I was bummed you had, and I asked how you'd done so.

I'm still bummed much of my arc is pre facto knowledge, but that's fine. It's still going to be awesome.

Onward!
Maeve
player, 256 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 29 Nov 2013
at 18:54
  • msg #381

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 380):

I have no doubt that Sir Giles still has some unpleasant tricks up his sleeve. . .
Zuriel Silendril
player, 422 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 29 Nov 2013
at 18:58
  • msg #382

Re: OOC Discussion

At least on my end, Giles still gets to do his big reveal of his plans, which I am really looking forward to. We've put some of the pieces together, but the big picture still eludes us.

I hope you have a good villain's monologue prepared ;-p
DM
GM, 523 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 2 Dec 2013
at 01:47
  • msg #383

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 382):

Sorry again for the delays. We'll start up again tonight or tomorrow morning with a long-awaited update.  Delays were due to the holidays combined with a lot of fine-tuning to make this the best encounter it can be.

In the words of Illidan Stormrage: You are not prepared.
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:47, Mon 02 Dec 2013.
DM
GM, 526 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 3 Dec 2013
at 03:39
  • msg #384

Re: OOC Discussion

DM
GM, 531 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 3 Dec 2013
at 21:14
  • msg #385

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 384):

You are free to resume your quest whenever you like.  With the maps and such you should have no trouble figuring out where to go, though you will need to stop when you encounter a room you've not explored during this encounter period so I can explain what has or hasn't changed -- or if a door is locked.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 431 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 03:52
  • msg #386

Re: OOC Discussion

I say we just go around cautiously room by room, ending with the Master's Chambers. Don't want any surprises.
Maeve
player, 261 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 14:19
  • msg #387

Re: OOC Discussion

So. . . . did we bring Wes with us?  I assume we did.  Chubbs is small, compact; but it seems like perhaps not such a good idea to have brought the livestock with us.  Ah well, nothing we can do to change that now.  Wes is a fine steed but if worst comes to worst, I would rather Giles eat him than us.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 432 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 14:20
  • msg #388

Re: OOC Discussion

I doubt we would have taken the time to lower him into the dungeon.
Keef
player, 263 posts
Hero in training
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 14:20
  • msg #389

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 387):

I wholeheartedly support sending our livestock in first to help us 'locate' traps.

A little known fact is that the most important piece of dungeoneering equipment is a small dog with a torch strapped to it...
DM
GM, 532 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 14:31
  • msg #390

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 389):

The dog comment is amazing.  I must remember this for later...

As for Wes, Chubbs rode him through the trees, if you'll recall, but I'm with Zuriel -- nobody in the party is strong enough (not even all of you put together) to lower a full-sized horse 50 meters or so without harming it, yourselves, the rope, and whatever the rope is anchored to.  So the horse is tethered to a sapling or something in the clearing above.
Maeve
player, 263 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 14:34
  • msg #391

Re: OOC Discussion

Ok.  Good executive decision, DM.

We'll probably just emerge to find that he's been devoured while we were dungeoneering. . . . .
Keef
player, 264 posts
Hero in training
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 14:44
  • msg #392

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 391):

Darn!  Shoulda left Chubbs to protect Wes...
Maeve
player, 266 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 19:52
  • msg #393

Re: OOC Discussion

This seems appropriate for the occasion:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avcS0aYJ2a8
DM
GM, 537 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 20:46
  • msg #394

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 393):

Many of the buffs you've just cast have limited durations.  I will extend their listed durations such that they do not begin to tick down until after the coming monologue.

You're welcome. :)
Boreas Highwind
player, 361 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 20:50
  • msg #395

Re: OOC Discussion

Jon, might want to let Maeve know what you cast on her guisarme, at least OOC, so Sarah knows what modifiers to add when attacking.
DM
GM, 538 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 20:50
  • msg #396

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 395):

I PM'd her with that knowledge, though I agree with the nature of the request.  Always useful to know what happened for roll modification purposes and such.
Maeve
player, 267 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 22:24
  • msg #397

Re: OOC Discussion

Chris just ruined Matt's dramatic scene by singing "Werewolf Bar Mitzvah."
Keef
player, 269 posts
Hero in training
Wed 4 Dec 2013
at 22:33
  • msg #398

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 397):

Yup, I meant to PM her but I got called away.  Done now.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 154 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 01:26
  • msg #399

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 397):

Spooky Scary. Boys becoming men. Men becoming werewolves!
Maeve
player, 269 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 01:56
  • msg #400

Re: OOC Discussion

Awesome!  I get an invitation to join the werewolf club!

Also, did Giles just quote a somewhat-amended Gandhi?
This message was last edited by the player at 03:41, Thu 05 Dec 2013.
DM
GM, 540 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 04:11
  • msg #401

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 400):

I go afk for one evening and the world goes to a delightfully anguished place. I love it. Kudos to all involved. I am looking forward to seeing how this resolves.

In blood, of course.  But whose?
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:12, Thu 05 Dec 2013.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 162 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 12:09
  • msg #402

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 400):

If I did, it was strictly coincidental. All of this is straight from the hip.
Maeve
player, 271 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 19:02
  • msg #403

Re: OOC Discussion

Well. . . . wasn't expecting *that.*  Well-played.  *Claps.*
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 163 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 19:52
  • msg #404

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 403):

Thank you! It happened pretty organically over the past few days.

I hope you can see that I really tried to feedback from you guys seriously about not just being black and white, and actually trying to use real, personal situations to drive the internal character development and moral quandaries.

I cannot tell you how much more I have enjoyed the current run of Giles in one day than I did the previous. That's a testament to you as a group of players helping both Aaron and I find what it was he needed to work, and me actually getting off my high horse and doing some creative writing.

I also thought it really, really humanized Giles and helped explain his erratic personality and general "how did you go from being Gaston to a violent sociopath" vibe by showing that he wasn't the puppet master, but was as so many of us are, just a man on strings.

On with the show, and thanks for the feedback :)
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 168 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 21:49
  • msg #405

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 404):

I'm going to stop teasing you guys, as we're just kinda filling time waiting for an understandably busy Jon :p
Zuriel Silendril
player, 449 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 21:56
  • msg #406

Re: OOC Discussion

Aww, but this is the only thing we can out of turn! I'm expecting Aaron to make a DM thunderclap happen so we're all deaf.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 169 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:02
  • msg #407

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 406):

I mean, we can keep going, but I just had a discussion about the semantics of semantics. That's "Community" level meta right there; we were just missing Abed.
DM
GM, 548 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:03
  • msg #408

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 407):

Rocks fall.  Everyone dies.
Maeve
player, 272 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:16
  • msg #409

Re: OOC Discussion

Maeve takes a short nap.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 450 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:19
  • msg #410

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah I'm thinking some of this silliness might have to get left on the editing room floor.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 451 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:19
  • msg #411

Re: OOC Discussion

I am enjoying it exceedingly though
Zuriel Silendril
player, 452 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:20
  • msg #412

Re: OOC Discussion

Giles if you like we can just take turns posting 'Nuh-uh!' and 'Yeah-huh!' Or alternatively, duck season, rabbit season.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 170 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:21
  • msg #413

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 409):

An impromptu battle of the bands breaks out, as the werewolves procure banjos from seemingly thin air, playing a demonically inspired version of "Werewolves went down to Georgia"

To your surprise, the guttural sound of Giles's werewolf voice adds an additional layer of depth to Charlie Daniels classic hit.

I actually deleted my own response about semantics. It was silly.
Maeve
player, 273 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:24
  • msg #414

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 413):

. . . . .please can that happen?
DM
GM, 549 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:28
  • msg #415

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 414):

Fun fact: the DM can still see posts after they have been deleted.  They just glow with a "deleted" aura.  You have been warned.

Fun fact #2: the DM is about two minutes away from having Wildheart shimmer into existence to bet a fiddle of gold against your soul that he's a better musician than you.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 453 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:32
  • msg #416

Re: OOC Discussion

Goddammit Aaron, isn't there *ANYWHERE* I can post my erotica on this site without you breathing over my shoulder?
Boreas Highwind
player, 366 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:38
  • msg #417

Re: OOC Discussion

Should've played a bard.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 171 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:38
  • msg #418

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 416):

Which is a highly sexualized part of said erotica..
Zuriel Silendril
player, 454 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:43
  • msg #419

Re: OOC Discussion

Right, having him actually figuratively breathing over my shoulder is too meta.
DM
GM, 550 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 5 Dec 2013
at 22:47
  • msg #420

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 419):

Quick, take cover behind the pile of dead bards!
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:48, Thu 05 Dec 2013.
Keef
player, 273 posts
Hero in training
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 00:16
  • msg #421

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 420):

...how many spare sheets do you have?
Keef
player, 275 posts
Hero in training
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 13:41
  • msg #422

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 421):

Again, very excited by the way the game has been shaking out re: philosophical dissertations on justifiable means and shades of morality.

Without a doubt, this is the most 'adult' game I've had the good fortune to participate in.

I regret that Keef, being Keef, has very little to espouse on these topics in-game, but rest assured that he's very much wrestling with these issues (largely internal with GM).
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 173 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 14:46
  • msg #423

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 422):

We're uber short at work today, so I'm going to be largely AFK.

Aaron and I have discussed Giles/Shep priorities, and he will be representing my hatred for all of you.

I will pop in and flavor text as possible.

(Sorry Lyriel, but you always go for the squishies first)
Maeve
player, 275 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 15:02
  • msg #424

Re: OOC Discussion

Ah, the occupational hazards of being a cleric.
DM
GM, 552 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 15:12
  • msg #425

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 424):

She'll be less squishy as a werewolf!  #silverLining
Maeve
player, 276 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 15:17
  • msg #426

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 425):

He has a point.  Hey Ashley, are you *sure* that you want us to try and find a cure for you?. . . .
Zuriel Silendril
player, 455 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 16:28
  • msg #427

Re: OOC Discussion

In this case, silver lining would be a bad thing....

Also, Keef, glad you're enjoying our sometimes over-verbose philosophical discussions. I'm having a lot of fun.

Giles, looks like you're stuck with internal monologue for a bit. Sorry about that ;-p
Boreas Highwind
player, 367 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 16:30
  • msg #428

Re: OOC Discussion

Somehow I don't think you are...

But yes, the game is a lot more fun now.  Though the long-winded conversations in the heat of battle are a little silly, it's definitely entertaining.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 174 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 17:02
  • msg #429

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 424):

It's a little deeper than that.

Let me give you the background so you don't all feel like "WTF WHY ME THIS IS LAME".

This is all obvious OOC knowledge

Giles and Shep hate Boreas, for reasons before this fight (obvious), and as a result of his "completely legitimate fits in with the flavor of his character definitely fun for everyone" ability to almost one shot a boss.

So he's definitely priority #1. The Bluebands are also interested in the magic gem in his eye, and what it might do for them if it were forcibly removed from his decapitated head. So he's priority #1 for the bluebands as well.

Priority #2 is always the squishy healer who has the ability to lengthen the fight, and potential, as an emissary of the Flame, to do some sort of holy crap that's bad for the werewolves. That's why Giles went right for her.

Priority #3 is Maeve because she swings a giant guisarme and also is a brick craphouse of damage. The Blackarms are coming for her because she attacked the Master.

Priority #4 is Zuriel, because Giles wants Zuriel to survive and be TORMENTED by the events of today. His inability to save Trisha, and now his inability to protect Lyriel, the member of the group he most closely identifies with will haunt and shape his character for chapters to come, which is exactly what the Giles Thistleworth arc was intended to do.

Priority - 1 million is Keef. Giles. Loves. Keef.
Maeve
player, 277 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 17:07
  • msg #430

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 429):

Actually I have no qualms with y'all's battle strategy thus far.  Everything you've done seems quite legit.
DM
GM, 554 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 17:08
  • msg #431

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 429):

Freaking warriors.  I should never have sent a pack of nameless wolves to do a mage's job.  Let's goooooo, Lukas! :p
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:13, Fri 06 Dec 2013.
Boreas Highwind
player, 368 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 17:10
  • msg #432

Re: OOC Discussion

Makes sense for Giles' motivations, though in my defense, I debated with Mr. Fennell, encouraging him to tone down the orb because I found it to be just as broken as you do.

The orb is actually pretty weak in the hands of literally anyone else, as it requires both a ranged touch attack and allows a reflex save, which generally nothing does.  The consensus Aaron and I reached was "it works this time, and we'll figure something out for the future."

I don't want his cool villains to all get one-shotted any more than you do.  Worse, I don't want him to design encounters balanced around that one item.

But I have no complaints about the strategy pursued by Giles and friends so far, all seems tactically sound and in character.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 175 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 18:57
  • msg #433

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 432):

I know it's not the Party's fault, but I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to watch a boss get one round KO'd.

Absolutely insane how burst damagey you guys are. I honestly don't envy Aaron. I have no idea how to balance an encounter against you.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 457 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 19:09
  • msg #434

Re: OOC Discussion

I would tend to agree. The lightning orb is fine, except with Boreas wielding it. We probably need to take a look at that mechanic for the future, otherwise it's an I-win button. Maeve is just built to do her thing, which is really disgustingly nasty. Zuriel got stupidly lucky with his rolling. He's not supposed to put out much damage, just take it.

It's hard to know what the right answer is. I don't envy Aaron his job either. If he metas specifically against the party, it feels contrived. If he doesn't, sometimes our mechanics break encounters. I think part of that is the nature of the 3.5 system.

Perhaps the best option would be to introduce encounters that force us to act in tactically sub-optimal ways for role playing purposes. I'm trying to do that with Zuriel, for example, charging and wasting a smite on Shep rather than walking up and poking him with Combat Expertise on, or better yet charging to deal with the Bluebands. Or coup de gracing the helpless Giles with a silver smite evil.

I had Zuriel charge jump smite the horrible evil monster but almost dead anyway monster in a tactically less than sound manner, because *of course Zuriel would.*

I hope it was suitably dramatic.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 176 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 19:30
  • msg #435

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 434):

Seriously Boreas. How big is your backpack, and how do you climb across the ceiling without checks?

And if you're still on the ceiling, how did Shep get pulled to the ground and killed? If you're on the wall, Shep was on the wall.

Let me clarify with an edit further- I'm not asking because i'm WTF this is unfair. I'm asking because I legitimately don't understand current positioning.

Edit again, apparently you can spider climb at will, because what can't Boreas do?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:35, Fri 06 Dec 2013.
DM
GM, 556 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 19:31
  • msg #436

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 434):

I'm actually of the opinion that if everyone thinks everyone else is too strong, we're approaching balance.  So there's that.

I'll continue to try new and interesting ways to deal with the party, and I hope they will continue to challenge you in different ways. Some will be brute force smackdowns, some will be puzzles, some will be RP-tinged, etc.

At the end of the day, I hope you would trust me to create an encounter that will be satisfying for everyone involved -- even if it doesn't go exactly the way anyone planned it.

I know the orb was frustrating to Matt and myself.  I know the Blueband's crop of disabling spells is (and will be) frustrating to the players.  But I hope this will introduce some challenges (how do I stop Maeve without hurting her?) that will be more interesting than trading fireballs until someone dies.

I also hope it encourages lateral thinking.  Can I stop Maeve by resuming diplomacy with the Bluebands?  Can we dispel it? Can we tie her up with the suppression sphere so nobody hurts anybody?  Do we have other utility items at our disposal?

It's all a lot more interesting than Ice Storm, IMO, so I hope you'll agree that the encounter has improved over the last boss fight -- and I hope you'll assume they will continue to grow as the game goes on.

Thanks for playing, as always.  For all the collective rules lawyering, DM goofs, and arguments over power levels, I'm having a really good time.  I hope you are, too.
Boreas Highwind
player, 370 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 19:33
  • msg #437

Re: OOC Discussion

Absolutely.  Interested to see what Giles does now that he's free of Shep.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:36, Fri 06 Dec 2013.
Maeve
player, 278 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 19:46
  • msg #438

Re: OOC Discussion

Good use of the suppression sphere.  I would probably have fucked you up otherwise.

Out of curiosity, how long does this spell last? If I can't do anything for the rest of the fight, that's acceptable.  It's going to be kind of boring not making decisions or conversing or, you know, not doing anything for several days, assuming it lasts that long.

And hey, I resent the implication that Maeve is mentally feeble.  Not cool, Lukas.  Not cool. :p

Oh well.  On to Keef!  Who I guess will stand there and not do a whole lot.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:49, Fri 06 Dec 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 458 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 19:47
  • msg #439

Re: OOC Discussion

Yes, I'm having an absolute blast. Literally have been having a hard time thinking about anything else today.

Matt, to clarify, in order to attack Shep I had to make either a jump check or a climb check to reach him. I opted for a running charge jump, because Rule of Cool, and rolled a 17 (I suck at jumping, another reason that actually was probably tactically the least useful thing for me to do).
DM
GM, 557 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 20:07
  • msg #440

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 439):

We're errata-ing Skirmish after this fight in order to avoid this problem in the future. Chris is correct in saying it would suck if I had to balance encounters around that burst damage.

Live and learn.  At least it's only Act 1.
Keef
player, 277 posts
Hero in training
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 20:14
  • msg #441

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 440):

Agree, hella fun!
Lyriel Vesper
player, 139 posts
To Heal is Divine
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 20:37
  • msg #442

Re: OOC Discussion

Not sure if I want to be a werewolf...but if I can be a werewolf doing the work of the LAWD (read Tassada) then I might be okay with it, but then there is the whole evil thing...not sure how that works.

Also contrary to popular belief I'm not that squishy, I actually have pretty high AC with the buffs I have.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:37, Fri 06 Dec 2013.
Maeve
player, 280 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 20:37
  • msg #443

Re: OOC Discussion

I <3 Chubbs
Zuriel Silendril
player, 459 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 6 Dec 2013
at 20:43
  • msg #444

Re: OOC Discussion

Can we *please* do a Mouseguard spinoff campaign starring Chubbs?
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 178 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Sat 7 Dec 2013
at 17:06
  • msg #445

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 444):

So ends the ballad of Sir Giles Thistleworth. Thanks for helping him devolve into madness, and for reminding him what it meant to be a hero. It was the only way his story could end.

I hope the trials here help shape your characters and their experiences in purposeful ways, as they did both the character and the man playing him. In his death, the curse of the Lycan is broken, and the disease is freed from this mortal plane.

What you do with Lukas and Shaw will be entirely up to you.

I look forward to the next (N)PC who wanders into your life, and the possibility that he might not inherently be harboring a terrible secret.
Maeve
player, 281 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 7 Dec 2013
at 17:23
  • msg #446

Re: OOC Discussion

Wow!  What an exit!
Boreas Highwind
player, 371 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 7 Dec 2013
at 18:03
  • msg #447

Re: OOC Discussion

Definitely a dramatic end for Sir Giles.  Well played.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 460 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 7 Dec 2013
at 20:06
  • msg #448

Re: OOC Discussion

Helluva exit. Well played Matt.
Maeve
player, 282 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 7 Dec 2013
at 23:00
  • msg #449

Re: OOC Discussion

Ugh, please kill him.  I'm bored. . . . .
Keef
player, 280 posts
Hero in training
Sat 7 Dec 2013
at 23:33
  • msg #450

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 449):

Agreed, great way to go out
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 179 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Sun 8 Dec 2013
at 16:28
  • msg #451

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 450):

I like that I killed Giles and we found a way to get even more absolutist in our philosophical diatribes.

I am honestly on pins and needles to see how this plays out. Those blue bands are not pussies..
Maeve
player, 288 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 8 Dec 2013
at 16:48
  • msg #452

Re: OOC Discussion

Well, I am all for any resolution that does not involve me continuing to describe things I can see around me.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 180 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Sun 8 Dec 2013
at 19:17
  • msg #453

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 452):

"Maeve's log, stardate 19356.7.."
Maeve
player, 294 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 8 Dec 2013
at 23:41
  • msg #454

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 453):

Heh, basically.

Sorry (but ultimately not *too* sorry) about that, everyone.  Those little gimmicks designed to remove a character from play are tolerable during a tabletop session but are really, *really* boring during a play-by-post campaign during which a single fight can last several days, depending.
DM
GM, 566 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 9 Dec 2013
at 14:28
  • msg #455

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 454):

Normally I would not respond at all after a Crossroads moment until everyone else has posted, but in this case I'll continue to respond to dialogue while we wait for Keef to catch up (poor guy's had a busy week, both in and out of character).

The removal from play, I'll agree, is not ideal.  But it was just for one round. You have a very low Will save and that is your only real weakness, so I cannot promise you will not become ensorcelled in the future.  I will keep the domination to an absolute minimum, however :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:29, Mon 09 Dec 2013.
Maeve
player, 297 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 9 Dec 2013
at 15:44
  • msg #456

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 455):

I still stand by my whining.  However, I think we all know that the situation was Boreas' fault.  If he hadn't sphere-d me, I could have had lots of fun killing everyone in the P.A.R.T.Y. :p
Boreas Highwind
player, 379 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 9 Dec 2013
at 15:48
  • msg #457

Re: OOC Discussion

Heh, heh.


In all seriousness, though, spells that take players out of the action indefinitely, that require almost a natural 20 to resist, and can only be cast by characters at least twice our level.  Might need to cut back on those.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 470 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 9 Dec 2013
at 15:52
  • msg #458

Re: OOC Discussion

Well if we want to split hairs, she wasn't out of the action. I'm sure she could have happily mowed us down if we hadn't bound her to take her out of the action ;-p
DM
GM, 568 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 9 Dec 2013
at 16:51
  • msg #459

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 458):

This is as good a time as any to bring this up, since it's become a theme: boss NPCs will use spells, items, and abilities that are better than yours sometimes.  They are bosses. They are supposed to make you quiver with fear, not roll your eyes and say "Now THIS is a knife..."

Keep in mind that you have an optimized, balanced party of five.  I have yet to throw an optimized group of five equal-level dudes at you, but you have my word that, on the day that happens, they will have appropriate-level magics and abilities -- because then that will be a fair fight.

Your enemies are often one or two strong people and a bunch of mooks.  Through the magic of AOE (AOO?) and focus fire, the "strong" people have to be durable indeed to survive the first round.  Often even this is not enough.  Case in point: Shep was a level 6 Barbarian Werewolf with DR/10, Fast Healing, and mid-high initiative order, and you overkilled him by about 15 points of damage in the first round.  I could have boosted his health by 2 HD without changing the fight's outcome in the slightest.

Another example is Ice Storm.  I didn't give Veilspire any mooks because I felt that wasn't appropriate, and instead decided he could have a single fifth-level AOE to soften up party a little bit and put the fear of the gods into them.  Seeing as nobody died, I think it worked -- but yes, it was risky, and I'd probably do that differently if I could do it again.  Learning experiences all around.

Now, onto Domination.  I understand the frustration on a philosophical level, and will likely not use that spell again because of it, but... I mean, you missed a single round of combat.  Action stopped for everyone, not just Maeve, because of Giles's self-destruction, which happened immediately thereafter.

Had that not happened, the Bluebands would have freed Maeve (since it was their orb in the first place, so of course they can work it), and then she could have gone back to slice-and-dicing (the party...).  So there would have been plenty to do if not for the (very IC) story break, which affected everyone. It was never intended to make a player sit on their hands for any length of time, which is why she was not ordered not to speak -- the idea being she'd at least have something she could do, push came to shove.

Now, Keef being stunned was slightly different, because I expected him to make his Will save and he didn't.  Then I decided having him forced to drop the Everstaff would be an interesting enough development to allow the stun.  And we got the Chubbs post out of it, so I think it went rather well!

TL;DR?
Trust me.  I'm trying to make encounters fun, challenging, and unique.  I appreciate feedback, of course, and will always work with you to create events that are satisfying for everyone :)
Boreas Highwind
player, 381 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 9 Dec 2013
at 17:03
  • msg #460

Re: OOC Discussion

I get that enemies will sometimes have stronger abilities than us, which is fine.  The ones you used, though, made the encounters feel artificially inflated.  In this particular case, Maeve missed one round of combat, but "dominated for X days" vs. "stunned for 2 rounds" has a lot more impact on a player's enjoyment, even if it's functionally the same.

In general, I've been having a great time this campaign, but things like the dominate person spell made the game less fun, so I'm letting you know.  That way, you can avoid the un-fun things in the future.
Keef
player, 281 posts
Hero in training
Mon 9 Dec 2013
at 20:15
  • msg #461

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 460):

No complaints from me!
Maeve
player, 300 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 10 Dec 2013
at 16:37
  • msg #462

Re: OOC Discussion

Cold, rainy day. . . nothing much to do outside. . . .perfect conditions for a dungeon crawl!
Maeve
player, 303 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 11 Dec 2013
at 14:13
  • msg #463

Re: OOC Discussion

And now all I can hear in my head is the music from the Bowser levels of Super Mario 64.
Maeve
player, 313 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 12 Dec 2013
at 00:38
  • msg #464

Re: OOC Discussion

I apologize for the last line of my latest post.  It had to be done though.
Giles Thistleworth
NPC, 181 posts
Infuriatingly Heroic
Totally Not A Werewolf
Thu 12 Dec 2013
at 01:56
  • msg #465

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 464):

*Crosses fingers for Falcon Punch Trial*
Keef
player, 295 posts
Hero in training
Thu 12 Dec 2013
at 20:16
  • msg #466

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Giles Thistleworth (msg # 465):

Paladin of the Flame: now with law degree!
This message was last edited by the player at 20:16, Thu 12 Dec 2013.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 490 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 12 Dec 2013
at 20:20
  • msg #467

Re: OOC Discussion

I *AM* the Lawyer!!!
Maeve
player, 319 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 12 Dec 2013
at 20:21
  • msg #468

Re: OOC Discussion

I too want to know more about this Benedict character.  His surname, for instance.  Was it Crinklecut?  Cabbagepatch?  Capricorn?
DM
GM, 585 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 13 Dec 2013
at 15:17
  • msg #469

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 468):

The world may never know.

Updated for real; sorry about the fake-out earlier!
Maeve
player, 321 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 13 Dec 2013
at 16:27
  • msg #470

Re: OOC Discussion

At least the voices wanted to know "what is justice" and "what is injustice" as opposed to, say "what is love."
Zuriel Silendril
player, 492 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 13 Dec 2013
at 16:38
  • msg #471

Re: OOC Discussion

And on today's episode of Hae'driel Legal....
DM
GM, 591 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 15 Dec 2013
at 05:45
  • msg #472

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 471):

The second trial is complete.  I wanted to take a moment to thank everyone for being patient with this part; it was a lot of bursty walls of text, but I think the result was entertaining.  Great work!
Maeve
player, 327 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 16 Dec 2013
at 14:18
  • msg #473

Re: OOC Discussion

Seeing as it's Chris's birthday, does Boreas get birthday immunity for the day?
DM
GM, 592 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 16 Dec 2013
at 14:28
  • msg #474

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 473):

Maybe there will be a cake.

It may or may not be a lie.
Keef
player, 303 posts
Hero in training
Tue 17 Dec 2013
at 15:26
  • msg #475

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 474):

Dream, but do not linger,
let not your nightmares consume you,
they ever hunger,
to gorge themselves on regrets passed,
until the morning comes,
and we forgive ourselves.
DM
GM, 599 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 17 Dec 2013
at 15:46
  • msg #476

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 475):

No, no, no.  These are not learning experiences.  They are meant to hobble you with a lifetime of guilt and self-doubt, until the P.A.R.T.Y. ultimate succumbs to absolute despair and self-loathing.

Also, awesome poem!
Maeve
player, 330 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 17 Dec 2013
at 15:50
  • msg #477

Re: OOC Discussion

The number of enemies I have to face that have wicked vs. trip bonuses seems *unusually* suspect :p
DM
GM, 600 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 17 Dec 2013
at 15:59
  • msg #478

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 477):

That was due to the bear-thing.  He's dismounted now. My bad.

And just wait until you get strong enough to handle a wider variety of things that can fly... :P
DM
GM, 605 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 18 Dec 2013
at 05:40
  • msg #479

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 478):

I have not forgotten about Lyriel's vision, but I'm exhausted and need to get to bed. I'll update her story in the morning, then check in on anything I might have messed up in my sleep-deprived state.  So far, I'm loving everyone's reactions. Spot-on.  Thanks for helping make this a reality!
Maeve
player, 332 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 18 Dec 2013
at 13:16
  • msg #480

Re: OOC Discussion

A few quick questions regarding my combat:

1. My attack op missed so it's a moot point anyway, but please explain the mechanics of tumble when you get a chance.

2. Is the General dealing legit damage or nonlethal?  If it's the former, well shit.

3. I kind of assumed dad was in his mid-fifties.  Hardly decrepit.  Also, HE'S RIDING A FUCKING BEAR.  You will not make me feel bad about knocking around someone who is riding a bear and wielding some sort of super-awesome spear.  And speaking of that:

4. Spear of the Sands?  Where can I get one?. . . . .
This message was last edited by the player at 13:34, Wed 18 Dec 2013.
DM
GM, 622 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 20 Dec 2013
at 17:19
  • msg #481

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve (msg # 480):

So... somehow I missed this series of questions.

1) Tumble allows you to move at half speed, ignoring attack ops while doing so, provided you make your check. You cannot normally stand up and then move using Tumble, but the General can.  Cinematics? Obscure feat? Dream-world power?  You decide...

2) Nonlethal, never fear

3) He's not "old" but he's past his prime.  mid-50s is about right.  That's old for a military commander who still engages in melee combat!  And his bear-beast is awesome.

4) It's the sort of thing that's earned or inherited... so temper that wish wisely :)
Keef
player, 313 posts
Hero in training
Fri 20 Dec 2013
at 20:24
  • msg #482

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 481):

Fire... water... burn...

we don't need no water let the mother fucker burn....
Boreas Highwind
player, 421 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 22 Dec 2013
at 21:07
  • msg #483

Re: OOC Discussion

Side note: upon closer reading of the Shatter spell, I discovered that it can't break magical items.  So, I suppose we'll chalk the use in my vision up to theatrics, much like Maeve's father's tumbling antics, and I'll use it correctly in the future (once I get it).
Keef
player, 316 posts
Hero in training
Mon 23 Dec 2013
at 14:12
  • msg #484

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 483):

In case any of you haven't seen this:

http://www.escapistmagazine.co...rse-For-Gen-Con-Show

This might be the greatest movie of all time...
Keef
player, 318 posts
Hero in training
Tue 24 Dec 2013
at 20:00
  • msg #485

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 484):

When someone asks you if you're a God you say...
Boreas Highwind
player, 425 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 27 Dec 2013
at 22:13
  • msg #486

Re: OOC Discussion

Ohh you gotta pay the troll toll if you wanna get into this boy's hole...

...it's boy's soul...
Maeve Hassan
player, 353 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 28 Dec 2013
at 00:42
  • msg #487

Re: OOC Discussion

Zuriel of course did not divulge how Maeve and Lyriel took turns kicking Nikos in the face until he gave up the ring.
DM
GM, 633 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 28 Dec 2013
at 16:53
  • msg #488

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 487):

In response to Maeve's comment, I wanted to clarify that you can all see but not hear
DM
GM, 638 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 1 Jan 2014
at 18:16
  • msg #489

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 488):

Happy new year everyone! Driving home today and will be resuming regular updates tomorrow morning. Thanks for your patience throughout the holiday season, and here's to another year of experience points!
Boreas Highwind
player, 430 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 2 Jan 2014
at 18:06
  • msg #490

Re: OOC Discussion

Ah yes, Cedrik, god of dance and theatre.  He's referred to by his followers as "the Entertainer."
DM
GM, 646 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 2 Jan 2014
at 18:26
  • msg #491

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 490):

Minus all the experience :P
Maeve Hassan
player, 360 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 14:06
  • msg #492

Re: OOC Discussion

As I recall, weren't we doing some sort of tribute to our fallen friends after we finish up with the vault business?  Everyone start thinking of your most favorite Giles memories!
DM
GM, 652 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 15:00
  • msg #493

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 492):

Yes, you did promise Keef you'd do a memorial.  But now that he has a new toy to play with, it's possible he's forgotten.
Keef
player, 325 posts
Hero in training
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 15:12
  • msg #494

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 493):

...possible but not guarenteed
Keef
player, 328 posts
Hero in training
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 16:17
  • msg #495

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 494):

Last post updated for flavor but here:

Maeve's Breastplate
This is a +2 breastplate that seems almost translucent in appearance. Both its enhancement bonus and its armor bonus count against the attacks of incorporeal creatures. It can be picked up, moved, and worn by incorporeal creatures at any time. Incorporeal creatures gain the armor or shield’s enhancement bonus against both corporeal and incorporeal attacks, and they can still pass freely through solid objects.

Lyriel's Dress
This is a +1 chain shirt that has been glammered to look like a formfitting dress. Upon command, the armor changes shape and form to assume the appearance of a normal set of clothing. The armor retains all its properties (including weight) when glamered. Only a true seeing spell or similar magic reveals the true nature of the armor when disguised.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:18, Fri 03 Jan 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 549 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 16:32
  • msg #496

Re: OOC Discussion

Awesome! Is Keef able to keep identifying things?
Keef
player, 329 posts
Hero in training
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 16:34
  • msg #497

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 496):

A couple more for now.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 550 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 16:36
  • msg #498

Re: OOC Discussion

Ok. As soon as we figure out what's what we can give them a token item and start the memorial services.
Maeve Hassan
player, 364 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 16:37
  • msg #499

Re: OOC Discussion

Then Lyriel and I can go try on our pretty new clothes.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 551 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 16:41
  • msg #500

Re: OOC Discussion

I think the only things we have left to identify is the chalice, the charm bracelet, and the linen.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 167 posts
To Heal is Divine
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 17:00
  • msg #501

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 500):

Hooray pretty new dress thingy! Does it twirl? That is the most important part.
Boreas Highwind
player, 435 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 17:02
  • msg #502

Re: OOC Discussion

Women be shoppin!

Amirite?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 552 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 17:07
  • msg #503

Re: OOC Discussion

I dunno, Boreas has a pretty long shopping list of his own here...
Keef
player, 330 posts
Hero in training
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 17:24
  • msg #504

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 503):

Not only does it twirl, but it matches with the other pieces!
Lyriel Vesper
player, 168 posts
To Heal is Divine
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 17:37
  • msg #505

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 504):

YESSSSS!!!!
Keef
player, 333 posts
Hero in training
Fri 3 Jan 2014
at 20:17
  • msg #506

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 505):

This bracelet contains a variety of charms carved from ivory that each possess special abilities.  There are two of each of the following on this bracelet, and each can be used by removing the charm from the bracelet and dropping it to the ground:

Anchor
A token useful to moor a craft in water so as to render it immobile for up to one day.

Bird
A token that can be used to deliver a small written message unerringly to a designated target as would a carrier pigeon. The token lasts as long as it takes to carry the message.

Fan
A token that forms a huge flapping fan, causing a breeze of sufficient strength to propel one ship (about 25 mph). This wind is not cumulative with existing wind speed. The token can, however, be used to lessen existing winds, creating an area of relative calm or lighter winds (but wave size in a storm is not affected). The fan can be used for up to 8 hours. It does not function on land.

Swan Boat
A token that forms a swan-like boat capable of moving on water at a speed of 60 feet. It can carry eight horses and gear or thirty-two Medium characters or any equivalent combination. The boat lasts for one day.

Tree
A token that causes a great oak to spring into being (5-foot diameter trunk, 60-foot height, 40-foot top diameter). This is an instantaneous effect.

Whip
A token that forms into a huge leather whip and wields itself against any opponent desired just like a dancing weapon. The weapon has a +10 base attack bonus, does 1d6+1 points of damage, has a +1 enhancement bonus on attack and damage rolls, and a makes a free grapple attack (with a +15 attack bonus) if it hits. The whip lasts no longer than 1 hour.
Keef
player, 335 posts
Hero in training
Sat 4 Jan 2014
at 01:43
  • msg #507

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 506):

This Chalice can be used five times per day to summon any mundane liquid, which fills the mug to the brim.  You can only use this item to summon nonmagical liquids that are liquid at room temperature. Attempting to summon something the Chalice cannot conjure still consumes one of the day's charges.  In addition, the first time each day a person drinks from the Chalice, they will enjoy +2 Wisdom for the next hour.
DM
GM, 657 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 5 Jan 2014
at 02:52
  • msg #508

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 507):

Beautiful post on the memorial for Trish, Zuriel. I'm going to let everyone comment on it before we move on to Giles's memorial, at which point the plot will proceed.
Keef
player, 336 posts
Hero in training
Sun 5 Jan 2014
at 20:41
  • msg #509

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 508):

Very nice writing!

Keef has little to add for Trish, but I'll have apost for Giles.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 559 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 5 Jan 2014
at 23:57
  • msg #510

Re: OOC Discussion

Thanks! I think we'll just go ahead and wrap up Trish's and move on with Giles. Keef, do you want to lead that one, or would you like somebody else to start it?
Keef
player, 337 posts
Hero in training
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 00:10
  • msg #511

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 510):

likely won't get to a proper computer 'till morning so go ahead and I'll post then.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 560 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 00:27
  • msg #512

Re: OOC Discussion

Sure thing. I edited my last post so that whoever wants to can start it.
Maeve Hassan
player, 372 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 13:35
  • msg #513

Re: OOC Discussion

Boy. . .I hate to see how Zuriel reacts if someone we actually know well dies.
Keef
player, 339 posts
Hero in training
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 14:23
  • msg #514

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 513):

Ha!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 563 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 15:12
  • msg #515

Re: OOC Discussion

http://youtu.be/FPxY8lpYAUM

I would imagine that would depend a lot on whether or not Zuriel feels responsible for their death. Sorry for trying to explore the psychological implications of being a tank and having the people I'm supposed to protect die on me ;-p

You had better to hell hope nobody in the party dies on my watch or Zuriel will start dressing in black, listing to Fall Out Orc and My Alchemical Romance, and start writing shitty emo poetry.
DM
GM, 658 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 15:34
  • msg #516

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 515):

If anyone in the P.A.R.T.Y. dies, you can rest assured it will be in a way that Zuriel could have prevented, but didn't.

"If only I'd made more Diplomacy checks," you'll lament.  But it will be too late.
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:36, Mon 06 Jan 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 564 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 15:43
  • msg #517

Re: OOC Discussion

Villain: If only you had talked more, your friend would still be alive! MWUHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Boreas Highwind
player, 439 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 15:46
  • msg #518

Re: OOC Discussion

If only I hadn't taken so many pointless sidequests, the world wouldn't have ended before we could recover the godstones... or something.
DM
GM, 659 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 15:47
  • msg #519

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 517):

"My power grows with every word you speak.  Even now, your chance of survival looks grim."

"Your nefarious plot will never succeed, base villain!  The Light of Justice shall prevail!"

"...exquisite."
Keef
player, 340 posts
Hero in training
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 16:25
  • msg #520

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 519):

If only I'd stopped to pick up and then sell EVERY rusted sword and tattered shield dropped by an NPC....
Boreas Highwind
player, 441 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 6 Jan 2014
at 16:26
  • msg #521

Re: OOC Discussion

If only I'd had the carrying capacity...
Maeve Hassan
player, 381 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 7 Jan 2014
at 14:40
  • msg #522

Re: OOC Discussion

I like how everyone except for Keef began their initial post for part 6 with "_____ nods."
Zuriel Silendril
player, 579 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 7 Jan 2014
at 14:54
  • msg #523

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah every once in a while we get a phrase or word that is iterated out through people's responses. It's kind of cool to watch.
Keef
player, 347 posts
Hero in training
Tue 7 Jan 2014
at 15:00
  • msg #524

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 523):

Keef can't nod.

Old injury.

Also, did you know that dogs can't look up?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 580 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 7 Jan 2014
at 15:02
  • msg #525

Re: OOC Discussion

Let's discuss this further over a pint at the Winchester.
Maeve Hassan
player, 388 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 7 Jan 2014
at 22:24
  • msg #526

Re: OOC Discussion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJQPpD4EN00

Seemed necessary.

And one does wonder what Boreas was doing "not tarrying" while he took a bath. . . .

(The answer of course is "jerking off."  In case that was too subtle.)
This message was last edited by the player at 23:02, Tue 07 Jan 2014.
Maeve Hassan
player, 390 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 8 Jan 2014
at 13:36
  • msg #527

Re: OOC Discussion

Chris and I have consulted, and neither Boreas nor Maeve has anything they particularly wish to RP during the night's watch.  By all means, please continue with the inevitable bloodletting.
DM
GM, 680 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 8 Jan 2014
at 14:45
  • msg #528

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 527):

I've fast-forwarded us to morning.
Boreas Highwind
player, 457 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 8 Jan 2014
at 18:42
  • msg #529

Re: OOC Discussion

How does the road go East AND West?!
DM
GM, 684 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 8 Jan 2014
at 19:52
  • msg #530

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 529):

Shocking, isn't it?  I've even heard that some roads go both north AND south, at the traveler's discretion.
Keef
player, 354 posts
Hero in training
Wed 8 Jan 2014
at 20:18
  • msg #531

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 530):

WITCHCRAFT!  BURN IT!
DM
GM, 693 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 9 Jan 2014
at 18:06
  • msg #532

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 531):

Amusing to me: Keef declares that there are maidens in the farmhouse.  Is he including Filbert in this calculation? :P
DM
GM, 703 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 10 Jan 2014
at 06:07
  • msg #533

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 532):

I'm so very eager to see what horrible decision our hero decides to take.  I am confident of only two things: 1) that it will be glorious and 2) Chubbs will not approve.
Maeve Hassan
player, 413 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 10 Jan 2014
at 13:27
  • msg #534

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 533):

I think you should change the name of this campaign from "The Aeryis Shuffle" to "Goddamnit, Keef."  Because at least one character thinks that at least once a day.
Keef
player, 366 posts
Hero in training
Fri 10 Jan 2014
at 13:33
  • msg #535

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 534):

But THIS time Keef has advice to follow...
Maeve Hassan
player, 414 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 10 Jan 2014
at 13:38
  • msg #536

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 535):

Goddamnit, Keef.

Also, this is especially hilarious to me because my (autistic) younger brother did something almost identical to this once.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:50, Fri 10 Jan 2014.
Keef
player, 371 posts
Hero in training
Sat 11 Jan 2014
at 02:20
  • msg #537

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 536):

...must...resist....jokes about.... buying a hole for my special someone.....
DM
GM, 714 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 12 Jan 2014
at 02:20
  • msg #538

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 537):

Chuck knew a bit about Hae'driel, and Honest Bob does not.

There's just no pleasing some enchanted woodsmen. :P
Boreas Highwind
player, 478 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 12 Jan 2014
at 02:39
  • msg #539

Re: OOC Discussion

I was referring to Ikuabai.  No one seems to know anything about it.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 624 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 12 Jan 2014
at 03:15
  • msg #540

Re: OOC Discussion

To be fair we haven't asked anything specific other than whether or not the general was there. It would be like us going around I-95 and asking passing motorists "Hey, what news do you have from Boston!"

"Um.... It's still a city? "
DM
GM, 715 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 12 Jan 2014
at 04:44
  • msg #541

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 540):

Exactly. Chuck said it was busy this time of the year and that ships get harder to come by shortly. He had a ckntact to go to when you get thete. What more do you want in terms of people knowing stuff about the city who do not live there ?

I like zuriel's example a lot
Maeve Hassan
player, 425 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 12 Jan 2014
at 15:22
  • msg #542

Re: OOC Discussion

So presumably nobody else has anything to ask of/purchase from Honest Bob?  In that case, shall we press on?
DM
GM, 716 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 12 Jan 2014
at 15:44
  • msg #543

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 542):

Yeah you will as soon as I have time to advance you properly. Transition posts take longer than usual.
DM
GM, 718 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 13 Jan 2014
at 15:07
  • msg #544

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 543):

You need to travel about 700 miles, all told, to get to Ikuabai from Chuck's ranch.  Horses can travel 30 miles/day easily, and 100 miles/day if you're willing to kill them over the course of the week.

I have you pushing them at about 80 miles/day, which isn't good for them but probably won't make them keel over dead unless you keep it up for two or three weeks.  If you want to adjust the pace, let me know.  You've currently covered 240 miles in three days.
Maeve Hassan
player, 430 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 13 Jan 2014
at 19:33
  • msg #545

Re: OOC Discussion

It's funnier to think that this game is occurring in real time:

"Over two hours of stunned, contemplative silence later, Boreas speaks. . . "
Boreas Highwind
player, 484 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 13 Jan 2014
at 19:35
  • msg #546

Re: OOC Discussion

POST 3000!

Couldn't resist.
Keef
player, 376 posts
Hero in training
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 12:26
  • msg #547

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 546):

Wait... if Boreas always keeps one eye on our mounts and gear... and only has one eye... how can he see what he's doing?
Maeve Hassan
player, 435 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 12:49
  • msg #548

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 547):

I think he can see through his weird-ass eye as well?. . . .but if he always wears an eye patch. . . .
This message was last edited by the player at 12:51, Tue 14 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 733 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 16:33
  • msg #549

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 548):

I am using custom negative level rules, as pertains to their duration:

A Note on Negative Levels
These suck, but at least they're temporary.  For each negative level gained, you suffer the following penalties:

    -1 on all skill checks and ability checks.
    -1 on attack rolls and saving throws.
    -5 hit points.
    -1 effective level

Most importantly, casters loses access to one spell as if she had cast her highest-level, currently available spell. (If she has more than one spell at her highest level, she chooses which she loses.) In addition, when she next prepares spells or regains spell slots, she gets one less spell slot at her highest spell level for as long as the negative levels persist.

Negative levels remain until 24 hours have passed or until they are removed with a spell, such as restoration. If a negative level is not removed before 24 hours have passed, the affected creature must attempt a Fortitude save (DC 15 in this case).

On a success, the negative level goes away with no harm to the creature. On a failure, the negative level persists for another 24 hours, at which point you can try again.  Repeat this process until success is achieved.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:40, Tue 14 Jan 2014.
Keef
player, 379 posts
Hero in training
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 17:19
  • msg #550

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 549):

Woo-Hoo!  I'm immune!
Keef
player, 382 posts
Hero in training
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 19:49
  • msg #551

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 550):

LOL... dangit Zuriel!  That's the last time I cast an enhancement on you!

j/k
Maeve Hassan
player, 441 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 19:49
  • msg #552

Re: OOC Discussion

I want to know who the "smelly hairy one" is.
Boreas Highwind
player, 494 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 19:50
  • msg #553

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 552):

I think it's supposed to be Boreas.  Don't know why everyone keeps calling him smelly, though.  He bathes as often as the rest of you.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 641 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 19:56
  • msg #554

Re: OOC Discussion

You are a human male. Ergo you smell worse than we prissy highborn. It's not that you stink, per se. It's just that I doubt Boreas takes the same care with his scents soaps and perfumes as Lyriel and I.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 642 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 19:57
  • msg #555

Re: OOC Discussion

I wear "Eau de Chevallier" by Chanel. Cologne in a world that has no Köln. Whatever you want to call that.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:58, Tue 14 Jan 2014.
Maeve Hassan
player, 442 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 19:58
  • msg #556

Re: OOC Discussion

Zuriel wears perfume?
Keef
player, 383 posts
Hero in training
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 19:58
  • msg #557

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 554):

I think it's the avatar picture... he LOOKS smelly.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 643 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 20:13
  • msg #558

Re: OOC Discussion

He does look smelly. It is known. Also, sorry the haste was wasted Keef :-(
This message was last edited by the player at 20:13, Tue 14 Jan 2014.
Keef
player, 384 posts
Hero in training
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 20:22
  • msg #559

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 558):

That's fine.  I'll just go back to casting heightened Grease on Zuriel...
Keef
player, 385 posts
Hero in training
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 20:23
  • msg #560

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 559):

Slams the door shut... while on the inside or on the outside?

Really like the parallel story "reveal in one location action in another" thing though!
This message was last edited by the player at 20:24, Tue 14 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 740 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 20:28
  • msg #561

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 560):

Simon was kind enough to let himself out before shutting the door. And thank you!
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:28, Tue 14 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 741 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 20:44
  • msg #562

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 561):

Shahara's about 5 minutes away.  Boreas, Maeve, Yuri, Wes, and Droop IV are up to 10 minutes away, depending on how long it takes them to head back and how carefully they ride while one steed is doubled-up.

Either way, it's a lot of rounds.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 208 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 21:19
  • msg #563

Re: OOC Discussion

Ugh. Negative levels suck.back to you Keef.
Maeve Hassan
player, 445 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 21:24
  • msg #564

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 563):

Pending ride checks and the DM's mercy, we'll be there as soon as we can.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 650 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 22:38
  • msg #565

Re: OOC Discussion

ZOMBIE GOASTS...
DM
GM, 748 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 14 Jan 2014
at 22:43
  • msg #566

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 565):

Did someone say "zombie goats"?

Because I could arrange that.
Maeve Hassan
player, 449 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 13:26
  • msg #567

Re: OOC Discussion

Still kicking myself for revealing to the DM my deep-rooted fear of animated scarecrows. . . .
DM
GM, 749 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 14:27
  • msg #568

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 567):

Zombie Goats Gruff and the Clockwork Goatherd™

Coming soon to a campaign near you!
Maeve Hassan
player, 456 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 19:08
  • msg #569

Re: OOC Discussion

I dunno.  A sunset worship service run by a murderous priest known to have dealings with evil supernatural creatures doesn't sound *too* bad. . .
Zuriel Silendril
player, 659 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 19:09
  • msg #570

Re: OOC Discussion

Totally legit
Zuriel Silendril
player, 664 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 20:31
  • msg #571

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas did you intend to ignore our plan to get the Sheriff first before forcing the lock so we don't get  the cops called on us, or did you just not read back? If it's the second, you might want to change it. If it's the first one, we need to have words ;-p
DM
GM, 762 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 20:38
  • msg #572

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 571):

I, for one, love the idea that he bids you goodbye with an innocent smile, then immediately turns to burst down the door and continue his investigation without your dratted "morals" in the way...
Boreas Highwind
player, 504 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 20:42
  • msg #573

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 572):

Rules, not morals.  Boreas is plenty moral.  He just doesn't like rules that get in the way of doing what's right.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 666 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 20:49
  • msg #574

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah if we weren't worried about attracting too much attention from the law Zuriel would just say I AM THE LAW  and claim jurisdiction and bust the door down. It sucks but without the proper paperwork, this is our best bet for resolving this without getting ourselves exposed to people who might be wanting to arrest us.

Sometimes I wish paladins could be neutral good...
Maeve Hassan
player, 458 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 20:53
  • msg #575

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas is also plenty smelly.  Bah-dum sssshhhhhhh.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 667 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 20:55
  • msg #576

Re: OOC Discussion

Yo mama's BO is so rank she gets a -5 circumstance penalty on her hide check!
Maeve Hassan
player, 461 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 15 Jan 2014
at 22:25
  • msg #577

Re: OOC Discussion

This tumblr reminds me of Chubbs.  Wonder why?

http://maggiesmithsdisapprovinglooks.tumblr.com/
Keef
player, 388 posts
Hero in training
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 16:24
  • msg #578

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 577):

ha, like it!

Awww... I was hoping we'd get to roll reflex saves vs "Angry Mob".
DM
GM, 771 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 16:26
  • msg #579

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 578):

Give it time!
Keef
player, 389 posts
Hero in training
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 17:39
  • msg #580

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 579):

Woo-hooo!

Let me get my anti-pitchfork armor...
Keef
player, 394 posts
Hero in training
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 19:32
  • msg #581

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 580):

Did the sheriff really just twirl his mustache?  Clearly a villain then, is that grounds for attacking him?
Maeve Hassan
player, 466 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 20:17
  • msg #582

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm inclined to agree, Keef.  Let's kill him on grounds of "sinister mustache behavior" and be on our way.  Before Lyriel ends up tied to the railroad tracks or something.  (Has to be Lyriel; she's the blonde one.)
This message was last edited by the player at 20:18, Thu 16 Jan 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 683 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 20:23
  • msg #583

Re: OOC Discussion

Of course it does
Maeve Hassan
player, 467 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 20:30
  • msg #584

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm sorry: the "honey-blonde" one.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 684 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 16 Jan 2014
at 22:18
  • msg #585

Re: OOC Discussion

Close enough. At any rate, I'm sure Lyriel's next quest will be to find the Wig of Infinity, which is a plate mail helmet enchanted to look like a wig, which can take on any style or color at will.
Maeve Hassan
player, 470 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 17 Jan 2014
at 02:01
  • msg #586

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm starting to realize that we almost always split up along the same lines: Zuriel & Lyriel doing one thing, Maeve & Boreas doing another, and Keef doing god knows what.  It's like in "Scooby-Doo" how Fred, Velma, and Daphne would always go in one direction and Shaggy and Scooby would investigate in another.

Not that I'm comparing our P.A.R.T.Y to the Scooby-Doo gang.  Except that Lyriel is totally Daphne.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 686 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 17 Jan 2014
at 02:29
  • msg #587

Re: OOC Discussion

Weeeelp. Better get an ascot.
Maeve Hassan
player, 471 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 17 Jan 2014
at 02:32
  • msg #588

Re: OOC Discussion

And I think we all know that Keef is Scooby.
Keef
player, 396 posts
Hero in training
Fri 17 Jan 2014
at 13:43
  • msg #589

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 588):

Ruh-ro rorge!
Maeve Hassan
player, 472 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 17 Jan 2014
at 13:55
  • msg #590

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas is the chaotic one of the group, so I would say that he is the most like Shaggy, who was constantly stoned and therefore unpredictable.  Which I guess leaves Maeve as Velma.  That's cool, though.  Velma was smart and really knew how to rock those knee socks and baggy sweater.
Maeve Hassan
player, 481 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 18 Jan 2014
at 15:57
  • msg #591

Re: OOC Discussion

A quick word to the P.A.R.T.Y: I'm in my friend's wedding this weekend, meaning that today I am going to be terribly busy with rehearsal related things and tomorrow I am going to be terribly busy with the wedding itself.  Given that it's the weekend, probably not a huge deal--I know Boreas is going to be playing cards for much of it.

Still, if combat happens and everyone is getting really antsy waiting for me, I give either Boreas or Zuriel permission to decide my action.
DM
GM, 795 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 18 Jan 2014
at 16:00
  • msg #592

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 591):

I cannot typically post much during the weekend, but I'm going to attempt to set the stage for the coming week, which should be a lot of fun. For me.  Maybe less so for you.

Evil laugh. Etc.
Maeve Hassan
player, 482 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 18 Jan 2014
at 16:03
  • msg #593

Re: OOC Discussion

Oh good.

Also worth noting that Boreas has been roped into attending the rehearsal dinner with me tonight. He, as well as Zuriel and Lyriel will also be at the wedding tomorrow, so it's likely that the weekend nights at least will be very quiet indeed.

I like to use characters' names in reference to ourselves, mostly because it's funny to think of our epic heroes doing mundane things.  Like Maeve having to be somebody's bridesmaid.
DM
GM, 796 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 18 Jan 2014
at 16:11
  • msg #594

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 593):

Oooh! Can Lyriel help you with your hair? :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 701 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 18 Jan 2014
at 16:31
  • msg #595

Re: OOC Discussion

Lyriel still hasn't decided what she is wearing or how she is doing her own hair. Or how she is going to dress and accessorize me...
Maeve Hassan
player, 483 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 18 Jan 2014
at 16:32
  • msg #596

Re: OOC Discussion

Maeve is getting her hair professionally done because Maeve does not know the first thing about hair styling. . .
Zuriel Silendril
player, 708 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 20 Jan 2014
at 05:43
  • msg #597

Re: OOC Discussion

I would like to note that Maeve rolled a Nat 20 on her Diplomacy check this evening. She gave by far the best toast at the reception.

In terms of the story - I've edited my held post. I figure if the creatures followed Simon down, we should send Sheriff and Rachel to the most defensible building in the village (possibly the tavern, which is possibly named the Winchester) to wait for the mess to blow over. If the monsters took off and are roaming the countryside, we might want to have the two NPCs lock themselves up the belltower or something. Either way we should arm them with our extra short swords of whatever else we have, and maybe a sunrod.
Maeve Hassan
player, 486 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 20 Jan 2014
at 13:18
  • msg #598

Re: OOC Discussion

Maeve did not keep count, but she probably pulled at least 25 bobby pins from her scalp while driving home.

Psst.  Hey, Keef.  Two words for you: Agic-may eapon-way.
Boreas Highwind
player, 516 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 20 Jan 2014
at 16:00
  • msg #599

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 598):

While Boreas drove her home.  She did not extract bobby pins while driving.  Don't worry.
DM
GM, 805 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 20 Jan 2014
at 17:44
  • msg #600

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 599):

The main event Simon referred to is just an entertaining rendition of Oedipus Rex in an elaborate basement theatre (a man-cave, if you will).

I don't know why everyone's so jittery.
DM
GM, 806 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 20 Jan 2014
at 17:53
  • msg #601

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 600):

We'll begin the thrilling chase scene after Keef, Longshanks, and Chubbs weigh in :)
Keef
player, 401 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 02:07
  • msg #602

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 601):

Sorry all, don't really have much time to check or update on weekends.

Lets go kill some stuff!

@Maeve/Boreas, don't have Magic Weapon prepped but I'll give ya somethin' good once we get closer.
Boreas Highwind
player, 520 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:02
  • msg #603

Re: OOC Discussion

Wait, so despite noticing the skeletons by sound earlier and having light sources, we walk out into the middle of the room before combat starts, in single file, to provide easy flank access?
DM
GM, 811 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:10
  • msg #604

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 603):

What part of supernatural darkness was difficult to understand? None of you could see anything, at all.

The enemies were standing still around the room's perimeter until everyone entered, then they "rattled", then the lights came on, then initiative was rolled. It's not like I gave them a surprise round, it just feels that way because they aced their initiative compared to you guys.

I'd like to have combat, just once, that is spent fighting instead of debating this kind of crap.  We all know they're going to be Turned in one round, so what's the problem?
Boreas Highwind
player, 521 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:15
  • msg #605

Re: OOC Discussion

Ah, I see it now.  I read it as us leaving the radius of the darkness, then finding the chamber.  A second reading reveals that the spell ended.  All good.
DM
GM, 812 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:19
  • msg #606

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 605):

Ah.  Thanks for that response.  I need to try to remember that sometimes things aren't as clear as I want them to be in text format.  Sorry for the confusion.
Keef
player, 404 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:22
  • msg #607

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 606):

I feel ya.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 715 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:23
  • msg #608

Re: OOC Discussion

DM loses 5 honor for the Ambush though, and can't assign any additional personalities to the battlefield.

WE SHALL WIN THIS FIGHT THROUGH HONORING OUT POLITICALLY
This message was last edited by the player at 16:24, Tue 21 Jan 2014.
Boreas Highwind
player, 522 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:24
  • msg #609

Re: OOC Discussion

Just make sure he doesn't get Earth off it.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 716 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:29
  • msg #610

Re: OOC Discussion

Oh you bastard. You didn't tell me these were *enlightenment* zombies. I call shenanigans!!!
Maeve Hassan
player, 494 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 16:30
  • msg #611

Re: OOC Discussion

Maeve has procured Girl Scout cookies in the Pit and is now prepared for anything these fuckers can dish out.
Keef
player, 406 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 17:36
  • msg #612

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 611):

ATTENTION P.A.R.T.Y.:

The following underground evil lair chambers have been scheduled for EXTERMINATUS:

The one you are in.

If you could evacuate, that would be nice.
Keef
player, 407 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:00
  • msg #613

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 612):

"Some may question your right to destroy ten billion people. Those who understand know that you have no right to let them live."
— Exterminatus Extremis


Gotta love the writers at Games Workshop!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 718 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:08
  • msg #614

Re: OOC Discussion

FOR THE EMPRAH!!!

In before Boreas bitches about Warhammer not meeting his exacting standards for games ;-p
Boreas Highwind
player, 524 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:09
  • msg #615

Re: OOC Discussion

On the contrary, Warhammer's fluff is fantastic.  I fully approve of quotes from it.

The game, however, is trash.

... also @Keef, if you shoot a fireball or something like that into a room full of your own party members, we will have words.
Keef
player, 408 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:17
  • msg #616

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 615):

"The game, however, is trash."

For THAT we will have words...

I'm a recovering 40k player.  The game has its issues, largely due to revisions and certain armies... but I had fun when I was riding that pony.

"a fireball or something"... I swear I have NO idea what you're referring to.

...y'all should really run though...
Keef
player, 409 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:18
  • msg #617

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 616):

...or nevermind... apparently Tassada has this in hand.
Maeve Hassan
player, 496 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:21
  • msg #618

Re: OOC Discussion

Thank goodness, seeing as I *can't* move because I full attacked.

Maeve likes Keef.  If Keef had exploded her, her positive feelings might have been a bit strained.
Boreas Highwind
player, 526 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:26
  • msg #619

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 616):

I commend your wisdom there.  Thanks for not blowing up the party.

Re: Warhammer:  Fantasy has a better ruleset than 40K, but the game lives on its fluff, the quality of its miniatures (even though they're overpriced), and the fact that so many people play it because, for a long time, it was the most accessible minis game around.  You're right about the rules revisions, though.

The fact that the most powerful army is usually the one with the most recent codex is a big issue to me.

Blood Bowl, on the other hand...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 719 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 18:29
  • msg #620

Re: OOC Discussion

Part of it is that people don't know how to deal with the most recent codexes. Once the tricks are known, meta against it starts happening. It's not that the rules themselves are necessarily unbalanced. The most recent few 40k codexes didnt seem too overpowering, based on what I've seen.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:40, Tue 21 Jan 2014.
Boreas Highwind
player, 527 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 19:33
  • msg #621

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 620):

They might have improved.  It's not entirely that the rules are unbalanced, though they still are.
Keef
player, 410 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 19:41
  • msg #622

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 621):

And I don't disagree with any of that.  It falls into much the same category as Magic: TG.  The game is fun, but the entire system is geared around sales pushed by the fact that you MUST update (buy more) or perish.

On that front we agree, that never sat well with me.
Boreas Highwind
player, 528 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 19:48
  • msg #623

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 622):

True.  Magic handles it a bit better, though.
DM
GM, 814 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 20:14
  • msg #624

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 623):

Magic handles it by banning entire playsets.  Does Warhammer? I've never gotten into the figures.
Keef
player, 411 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 20:21
  • msg #625

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 624):

For my money, Magic is more harsh.

I went to a tournament with my brother once and we couldn't use a single card we owned.

Never done Warhammer tournaments, but I don't think they ban models, just old rules lists.
Boreas Highwind
player, 531 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 20:23
  • msg #626

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 624):

Banning isn't entirely correct.  Magic has different tournament formats, all of which are officially supported, and each of which allows different subsets of cards.

Standard: Everything from the past 2 years or so.
Modern: Everything since 8th Edition (around 2002)
Legacy: Everything since Alpha, with a significant ban list (stuff like the Power 9)
Vintage: Damn near everything; most cards banned in Legacy are restricted 1-per-deck in vintage.
Commander: EDH.  The best format that isn't draft.

In Warhammer, sometimes certain figures will be dropped, or, more commonly, made useless in the new codex.  They're still technically playable, but they're largely worthless.  This is more devastating in Warhammer, though, because of the increased cost along with the time and effort put into painting and personalizing the minis.
Keef
player, 413 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 20:33
  • msg #627

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 626):

Even tournaments aside, Magic keeps coming out with more powerful versions of old cards.

The last time I bought a pack (for my brother 2 years ago), I drew a common green 3/2 Trample that cost 2 mana.

When I quit playing, a 3/2 trample would have cost a lot more...
Boreas Highwind
player, 532 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 21:01
  • msg #628

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 627):

That was a conscious decision to increase the power level of creatures relative to the rest of the cards.  Too many decks were winning with zero creatures, and since creature combat is at the core of the game, the developers wanted creatures to play a larger role.  So now, typically, creatures are stronger than they used to be and noncreature spells are often weaker than they once were.
Keef
player, 414 posts
Hero in training
Tue 21 Jan 2014
at 21:27
  • msg #629

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 628):

Interesting, I did not know that.

I guess it comes down to: is it worse to be allowed to use old models that are nerfed (but you can still use them) or for your old cards to be outright banned so you have to get cards commensurate with what everyone else has.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:40, Tue 21 Jan 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 731 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 22 Jan 2014
at 20:59
  • msg #630

Re: OOC Discussion

Heh, lots of failing going around this turn. We need to have an intervention with Keef about insisting on wearing armor as arcane caster.
Maeve Hassan
player, 505 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 22 Jan 2014
at 22:32
  • msg #631

Re: OOC Discussion

Never fear, Maeve has a plan!  It might even work!
Sazed
NPC, 1 post
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 01:38
  • msg #632

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 631):

Please survive this fight so I can rejoin the party.

Sidebar- You're likely going to encounter me again on your next arc. Because of how Giles went down, and who he was, I wanted to put up a pretty public disclaimer:

1. My next character (Sazed) is designed to be a PC, and not an (N)PC
a. He is not inherently evil
b. He's not evil at all!
c. He's not secretly a werewolf
d. He's not wearing a metric fuckton of DM plot armor
e. I cannot emphasize the lack of lycanthropy enough!
f. He's a homebrew based on a concept I developed, and Aaron fleshed out into 3.5
g. He's literally designed to do NOTHING except benefit the party he's with and actively/negatively impact opposing forces
h. HE'S ABSOLUTELY NOT A SECRET WEREWOLF
i. He's going to be terrified of Keef.
j. He's intimiately familiar with planes and "gods", and should dovetail nicely into your overarching story.

From a perpetually enthusiastic reader and supporter of the shennanigans the P.A.R.T.Y. that gets into, please survive, or Sazed will have been for not!

Yours in not being a recurring werewolf,

Matt (aka Giles the Werewolf)
Maeve Hassan
player, 506 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 01:48
  • msg #633

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Sazed (msg # 632):

Welcome, Sazed!

Your new character sounds like a lot of fun, especially his interactions with Keef.  I am looking forward to encountering him--probably in Ikuabai judging from the pseudo-Arabic sounding name.  We will do our very best to survive this encounter so that we can get into more shenanigans.

. . .if Boreas will ever do his thing.  I'm like 90% sure all he's going to do is hold his turn.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 732 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 02:11
  • msg #634

Re: OOC Discussion

Funny...that's exactly what a secret werewolf would say.

Joking aside, very glad to have you back in the game Matt!!!
Maeve Hassan
player, 508 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 02:31
  • msg #635

Re: OOC Discussion

Most Revered DM, please could you clarify Gort's DR?  Magee has indicated that I ought to change my damage roll to reflect this; however, Gort's stats say nothing about any sort of damage reduction.  Any light you could shed upon the situation would be much appreciated.
Keef
player, 417 posts
Hero in training
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 02:37
  • msg #636

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 635):

Horay!  Matt is back!

It's good that you're not a werewolf.  I"M not a werewolf either ::nudge, nudge, wink wink::
Boreas Highwind
player, 540 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 04:05
  • msg #637

Re: OOC Discussion

Nice!  Excited to see how Sazed turns out.  Welcome back!
DM
GM, 829 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 04:10
  • msg #638

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 637):

I've adjusted the damage total to account for DR, which is DR 5/Adamantine
Keef
player, 419 posts
Hero in training
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 12:38
  • msg #639

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 638):

That was a 4 to hit on a d20+3.... I should really find a class that isn't based on using dice...
Maeve Hassan
player, 509 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 12:49
  • msg #640

Re: OOC Discussion

I just facepalmed and laughed in the middle of class upon reading Keef's latest post.  Thankfully class hasn't actually started yet.
Keef
player, 420 posts
Hero in training
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 13:14
  • msg #641

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 640):

Yeah... it's a thing I do apparently...  To this day I hold the record for "most successive failed Terminator Armor checks" of anyone I know.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 734 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 14:19
  • msg #642

Re: OOC Discussion

FOR THE EMPRAAAARRRRRRGGGHTHFHGH splortch
Keef
player, 421 posts
Hero in training
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 14:35
  • msg #643

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 642):

We are the Emperor's Arthritic Kneecaps!
Maeve Hassan
player, 510 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 14:44
  • msg #644

Re: OOC Discussion

I know this is supposed to be a dramatic fight, but all I can hear is "Yackety Sax."  All "Yackety Sax," all the time.
Maeve Hassan
player, 512 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 15:40
  • msg #645

Re: OOC Discussion

"When danger reared its ugly head, he bravely turned his tail and fled. . ."
DM
GM, 833 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 16:02
  • msg #646

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 645):

Any DM worth his or her salt counts "make the party run away" in the W column.  My first "win"!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 739 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 16:25
  • msg #647

Re: OOC Discussion

We aren't running away...we are retreating forward. Totally different thing!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 740 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 16:52
  • msg #648

Re: OOC Discussion

So Keef...wanna play 40k sometime? Go ahead, you can have 2 up invul saves and 2 up feels no pain on all your guys. I'm not worried at all.
Keef
player, 425 posts
Hero in training
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 16:58
  • msg #649

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 648):

SWEET MERCIFUL F***!


Yeah, might as well assume all my marines have dual-linked lascannons too..
Keef
player, 426 posts
Hero in training
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 16:59
  • msg #650

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 649):

For those keeping score at home, that is my full day's load of 3rd level spells and 3/5 of my 2nd... to no effect other than make Maeve hit a little harder, and allow Boreas to open windows faster.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 742 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 17:05
  • msg #651

Re: OOC Discussion

We are going to stage an intervention about that armor. *takes out a handwritten note* "Keef. When we are fighting the forces of darkness, and you as an arcane caster fail all of your armor checks from a piece of equipment that only provided +1 AC, it makes me feel unloved. We only want what's best for you. It kills me to see you struggling so futilely against the vagaries of fate. Please, let us help you.

In the words of Oscar Wilde: To fail one arcane spell failure check may be regarded as a misfortune; to fail two or more looks like carelessness.
Keef
player, 427 posts
Hero in training
Thu 23 Jan 2014
at 17:12
  • msg #652

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 651):

I'm certainly open to the idea, we just need to convince Keef...
Maeve Hassan
player, 518 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 24 Jan 2014
at 16:23
  • msg #653

Re: OOC Discussion

Hi everyone!  Just got to Charlotte, and am ready to rumble.  I even prepared a playlist for the drive to get me pumped for the fight.  Lots of AC/DC, Guns n' Roses, Eminem.  Angry stuff.  "Jolene" inexplicably crept on there, but meh.
Keef
player, 432 posts
Hero in training
Fri 24 Jan 2014
at 16:39
  • msg #654

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 653):

Take out Eminem, throw in Rammstein and Alestorm and you've got my workout playlist... 'Jolene' included...
Boreas Highwind
player, 549 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 24 Jan 2014
at 19:53
  • msg #655

Re: OOC Discussion

Heading to New Bern.  Probably can't post until late tonight.
Keef
player, 434 posts
Hero in training
Fri 24 Jan 2014
at 19:59
  • msg #656

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 655):

Making the assumption that "pouring all efforts into defending themselves" means the Skeletons are taking the 'total cover' option, so I cannot target them.
Boreas Highwind
player, 550 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 24 Jan 2014
at 20:05
  • msg #657

Re: OOC Discussion

The SRD notes that the tower shield doesn't provide cover against targeted spells.  this is a specific exception to the total cover option.
Keef
player, 436 posts
Hero in training
Fri 24 Jan 2014
at 20:13
  • msg #658

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 657):

I saw that, but it said that the reason is because the spell can just hit the shield... maybe I read too much into that but my assumption was that hitting a shield with magic missile would just result in a damaged shield... am I misunderstanding?

Anyhow, I think I found a more fun route...
Maeve Hassan
player, 521 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 03:12
  • msg #659

Re: OOC Discussion

In the interest of time (but mostly because I am super, SUPER psyched for my next turn), I have gone ahead and rolled my turn and shall post the results once Gort has done his thing.  Normally I would wait but because whatever Gort does will in no way affect what I choose to do, it doesn't seem like a huge deal.

A little unorthodox to jump the gun, but I hope that the DM does not mind.  Chalk it up to Aaron crafting a super nail-biting fight.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:21, Sat 25 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 847 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 05:29
  • msg #660

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 659):

No objections here!!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 749 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 05:34
  • msg #661

Re: OOC Discussion

Go Maeve Go!
Keef
player, 438 posts
Hero in training
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 05:36
  • msg #662

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 661):

go Easterners!
Maeve Hassan
player, 523 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 14:24
  • msg #663

Re: OOC Discussion

Chris suggests (and I agree) that we might wish to consider house-ruling it that critical hits only multiply your weapon itself and not any mods attached to it.  The SRD says that this is legit, but rolling 6d4 plus 51 is absolutely horrifying.

Oh well.  Even if you were to decree that this instant, I still would have dealt Simon a total of 58 damage that turn.
Boreas Highwind
player, 554 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 14:28
  • msg #664

Re: OOC Discussion

I agree.  It's way too volatile.

Also fyi, the ready was Boreas' action this turn.  Top of the order!
DM
GM, 848 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 14:54
  • msg #665

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 664):

I will ponder the crit rules. That was very impressive! I do not want to be a buzz kill, but I don't think you can move and then full attack (that is, move close to simon to get in range and then swing twice). If I am right about that, only the first attack can count :(
Zuriel Silendril
player, 750 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 15:02
  • msg #666

Re: OOC Discussion

She was within 10 feet of Simon because she was standing next to the guardian skeletons. So with reach she wouldn't have had to move.
DM
GM, 849 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 15:03
  • msg #667

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 666):

She was within 10 feet of the skeletons but not within 5 feet, and simon was beyond the skeletons.  The post even begins with "Maeve moves closer to Simon"...
Maeve Hassan
player, 525 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 15:03
  • msg #668

Re: OOC Discussion

Good point.  *Turns large pleading eyes on the DM*
Zuriel Silendril
player, 751 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 15:16
  • msg #669

Re: OOC Discussion

To clarify, to get both guardians with the torch she would have had to be next to one of them, and thus, within 10 feet of Simon, which was the plan the whole time.
Keef
player, 439 posts
Hero in training
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 15:18
  • msg #670

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 669):

Omigosh!  The Reverend was just a pawn!  It was the straw hat the whole time!  And it's a were-hat!
Maeve Hassan
player, 526 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 15:20
  • msg #671

Re: OOC Discussion

Good call Keef!  Let's take it and put it on the Everstaff.  Then it can have a hat to go with its scarf.
DM
GM, 851 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 15:35
  • msg #672

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 671):

There should be a figure-based version of this game to alleviate confusion.

Good hit, all. Even with mod crit rules, that's a big enough one-two punch to drop him when you factor in the lightning too.

Ah well.  Good work!
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:54, Sat 25 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 853 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 20:37
  • msg #673

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 672):

Eating a biscuit is a move action, like taking a potion would be. This means that Maeve cannot eat, move, and attack. Which two of the three would you prefer?
Keef
player, 442 posts
Hero in training
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 20:44
  • msg #674

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 673):

weird... I'd have guessed it's easier to eat a cookie while walking than eat a cookie while fighting...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 755 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 20:48
  • msg #675

Re: OOC Discussion

If she attacks and moves can she get out of the radius of the explosion before it goes off?
Boreas Highwind
player, 556 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 20:55
  • msg #676

Re: OOC Discussion

I recommend eating and moving.  I'll handle the skellington since I can't hurt Gort.
Maeve Hassan
player, 529 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 21:25
  • msg #677

Re: OOC Discussion

Ugh, sorry for the clusterfuck of a turn.  I had only my phone with me for the majority of the day and had both Boreas and Zuriel giving me contrary advice.

I've un-deleted my initial post to reflect that I am eating/moving as my action.  Boreas can deal with the skeleton, as he has very astutely pointed out.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:26, Sat 25 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 855 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 25 Jan 2014
at 23:20
  • msg #678

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 677):

It's all good. It's been a clusterfuck of a day. No hard feelings :)
DM
GM, 857 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 02:08
  • msg #679

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 678):

This is how I think the disposition looks right now

https://docs.google.com/spread...;usp=drive_web#gid=0
DM
GM, 858 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 18:58
  • msg #680

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 679):

Lots of people posting outside of initiative order this time around.  Gort still gets a turn, troops... :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 758 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 19:46
  • msg #681

Re: OOC Discussion

Wasn't Maeve's action to move ande at the cookie? So we should be good to go on round 5?
DM
GM, 860 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 20:00
  • msg #682

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 681):

Looks like she did that in Round 3
Boreas Highwind
player, 559 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 20:04
  • msg #683

Re: OOC Discussion

When you ready action or delay, your init changes to where you entered, which is why i went when I did.
Maeve Hassan
player, 531 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 21:25
  • msg #684

Re: OOC Discussion

I am very confused as to whether or not it's my turn.  Any clarification would be appreciated.
DM
GM, 861 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 21:39
  • msg #685

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 684):

It's Maeve's turn because she hasn't done anything this Round yet, and everyone else has.
Maeve Hassan
player, 533 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 21:46
  • msg #686

Re: OOC Discussion

Excellent.  Commence round 5!  And cue the scantily-clad women to strut by carrying signs saying as much.
Keef
player, 445 posts
Hero in training
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 22:54
  • msg #687

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 686):

Bull's Strength lasts 6 rounds... so assuming Keef timed it properly to the start of combat, it lasts to the end of round 6.
Maeve Hassan
player, 534 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 23:06
  • msg #688

Re: OOC Discussion

There is a scene near the very end of "The Princess Bride" in which Fezzik shows up, having found horses upon which the heroes can escape Prince Humperdinck's castle.  Inigo Montoya looks at his friend and says, in a tone of pleasant bewilderment:

"Fezzik.  You did something right."

That.  That line is how I feel about Keef in this fight.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 759 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 26 Jan 2014
at 23:27
  • msg #689

Re: OOC Discussion

Keef it actually lasts 6 minutes, not six rounds. A minute is 10 rounds. And bulls strength is a minute / caster level.
Keef
player, 446 posts
Hero in training
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 00:01
  • msg #690

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 689):

Even better!
Keef
player, 448 posts
Hero in training
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 00:44
  • msg #691

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 690):

Is it possible for a Random Number Generator to run out of '1's?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 761 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 01:42
  • msg #692

Re: OOC Discussion

My hit dice certainly don't seem to think so.
Maeve Hassan
player, 535 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 01:43
  • msg #693

Re: OOC Discussion

You *do* seem to have rolled a hilarious number of ones. . .
DM
GM, 864 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 14:30
  • msg #694

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 693):

Gort will enter Maeve's strike range before he enters Zuriel's.  Are you intending to ignore the first opportunity to strike?  Or are you standing 10 feet away from the doorway?
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:30, Mon 27 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 866 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 15:35
  • msg #695

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 694):

Ok, once Keef goes, Gort will shamble forward, then Maeve can move, then on to the next round.

I know it's a lot of waiting, but it's not my fault you people keep slowing him down :P
Maeve Hassan
player, 544 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 21:53
  • msg #696

Re: OOC Discussion

The correct response to "I haven't got a _______ bone in my body" is always "Would you like there to be?"  You missed a golden opportunity here, fellas.
DM
GM, 876 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 21:55
  • msg #697

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 696):

Gort almost gurgled his revulsion to the mushyness going on between the Highborn, but then Lyriel walked away... :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 770 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 22:00
  • msg #698

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas dropped the balls on that zinger. Shame on you Chris.
DM
GM, 879 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 22:41
  • msg #699

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 698):

So... what are you doing with the body? Are you bringing it inside, or what?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 773 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 22:45
  • msg #700

Re: OOC Discussion

Let's find something to cover it with first.
DM
GM, 880 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 27 Jan 2014
at 22:54
  • msg #701

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 700):

[Crossroads] retroactively. FYI.
Sazed
NPC, 2 posts
Notary Public
Seriously. Not a Werewolf
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:01
  • msg #702

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 701):

I am all about Keef continuing to wear leather, because, he's Keef!

He's learning how to be a hero, and in his mind, part of it involves the leather and the concept of who he thinks a hero is and how they should look. Sir Giles, pre-werewolf! It's such a part of his character concept, this childlike adherence to the allegorical concept of a hero.

I hope Jon lets Keef grow his way out of this as a character, rather than outfit himself out of it for practicality. I rather like the idea of Keef taking a feat like battle caster because he's earned it through progression and his development. The stubborn mage who refused to take off his leather is no longer impeded by it.

Just my 2cp.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:03, Tue 28 Jan 2014.
DM
GM, 881 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:22
  • msg #703

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Sazed (msg # 702):

What did you do with your horses, gear, and Simon's body?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 774 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:24
  • msg #704

Re: OOC Discussion

Horses are tied up outside the tavern. The gear is there as well, currently, and we are all standing either in the entrance to the tavern or in the doorway. If we decide to stay the night at the tavern we'll bring the gear inside and find somewhere safer for the horses. Simons body is currently out of immediate sight next to the door, I think. Until we can find a sheet or blanket or something.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:25, Tue 28 Jan 2014.
Keef
player, 456 posts
Hero in training
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:25
  • msg #705

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 703):

For Keef's part, absolutely nothing.  He'll carry home any magical stuff we found (Boreas took the maille) but that's it.
Maeve Hassan
player, 547 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:28
  • msg #706

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 705):

I was under the impression that there was not enough left of the body aside from the skull and jawbone.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 775 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:30
  • msg #707

Re: OOC Discussion

I think either way Jon chooses to take it would make sense for Keef in terms of RP. It doesn't have to be yielding to practicality over character development; Keef could just as easily come to relinquish the external trappings of his conception of what a hero looks like to focus on the internal aspects of what a hero is. In shedding his leather armor, he could be shedding these preconceptions and defining heroism for himself.

I'm not saying that Matt's suggestion is in any way incorrect; I quite like it as well. I'm just pointing out that there can be character development significance to that choice either way. Choosing not to use the armor isn't simply choosing mechanical practicality over 'proper role-playing'.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 776 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:32
  • msg #708

Re: OOC Discussion

Also Jon, was that 'no more' line a reference to John Hurt's War Doctor?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BTcxQQf_O0
This message was last edited by the player at 01:33, Tue 28 Jan 2014.
Keef
player, 457 posts
Hero in training
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:33
  • msg #709

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 706):

Yeah, I really went back and forth over this one.  I really wanted Keef to keep the armor on one level, but half of what Keef is revolves around evolution and adoption of what's around him.

At some point I'll get into greater detail on what I'm going for with Keef.  For the moment, the right voices suggested that he doesn't need armor to be a hero.

Given a future opportunity to wear it without affecting his ability to cast, he'll be all over it.

Also, kept the helmet...
This message was last edited by the player at 01:33, Tue 28 Jan 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 777 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 01:36
  • msg #710

Re: OOC Discussion

No More. No More No More No More No More. No More.
DM
GM, 882 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 03:19
  • msg #711

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 710):

Fullmetal Keef, the Platemail Wizard
Maeve Hassan
player, 554 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 28 Jan 2014
at 16:15
  • msg #712

Re: OOC Discussion

Aw, that's nice.  Maeve gets a cake from Lyriel and a weird, vaguely-sexual sounding promise to "make it memorable in a good way" from Boreas.  Thanks guys!
Keef
player, 463 posts
Hero in training
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 13:07
  • msg #713

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 712):

All: home w/ kids today so if much happens in game I'll have to be auto-follow-y.
DM
GM, 903 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 13:57
  • msg #714

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 713):

Ready to advance to watch cycle if you guys are; not sure yet if everyone's done all they want to do.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 794 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 15:10
  • msg #715

Re: OOC Discussion

Ready here
DM
GM, 914 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 18:58
  • msg #716

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 715):

What's being ID'd?
Boreas Highwind
player, 582 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 18:59
  • msg #717

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas is paying for the chain shirt and the hat.  Whoever wants the mace can cover its cost.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 803 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:00
  • msg #718

Re: OOC Discussion

I think Lyriel is paying for the mace and the bolts of magical linen, as she will probably end up using both.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:00, Wed 29 Jan 2014.
Maeve Hassan
player, 573 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:00
  • msg #719

Re: OOC Discussion

Of *course* she wants the magical linen.  So she can make even more magical dresses. :p
Zuriel Silendril
player, 804 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:02
  • msg #720

Re: OOC Discussion

Well that is her personal loot, so...Sewing Baking Cleric Barbie!

Coming soon to a campaign near you!
This message was last edited by the player at 19:02, Wed 29 Jan 2014.
Keef
player, 466 posts
Hero in training
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:33
  • msg #721

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 720):

Only got two IDs prepped
Boreas Highwind
player, 583 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:35
  • msg #722

Re: OOC Discussion

We can assume you do the other two on the next game day, if you're amenable.
Keef
player, 467 posts
Hero in training
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:36
  • msg #723

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 722):

sure
Maeve Hassan
player, 574 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:40
  • msg #724

Re: OOC Discussion

Cleric Barbie comes with her very own holy symbol and Pretty Pink Potion (c) of healing.  Temple of the Gods Dreamhouse sold separately.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 806 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 29 Jan 2014
at 19:51
  • msg #725

Re: OOC Discussion

Accessorize with Paladin Ken for extra mouth-throwing-up!
Boreas Highwind
player, 587 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 30 Jan 2014
at 06:31
  • msg #726

Re: OOC Discussion

Oliver should probably have Profession (Farmer) rather than Knowledge (Agriculture), not that I expect it to come up.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 809 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 30 Jan 2014
at 06:34
  • msg #727

Re: OOC Discussion

No, Profession (Farmer) is totally OP and broken. I think Oliver needed nerfing, or it would have been game-breaking. Knowledge (Agriculture) is a much better compromise.
Keef
player, 468 posts
Hero in training
Thu 30 Jan 2014
at 12:28
  • msg #728

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 727):

You're both wrong.  Oliver is more of a 'hometown academic'.  He has a lot of knowledge and understanding of Agriculture, but not as much hands-on experience with the actual everyday process of Farming as most commoners of his age/status.

Thus Knowledge (Agriculture) is more fitting.
DM
GM, 924 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 30 Jan 2014
at 23:12
  • msg #729

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 728):

Let me know when you want to go to bed. At the moment, you haven't eaten or secured rooms.
Sazed
NPC, 3 posts
Notary Public
Seriously. Not a Werewolf
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 01:13
  • msg #730

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 729):

Squee. It's almost time for Sazed.

What if Matt Smith's Dr. Who was a 3.5 DnD character.

I look forward to meeting all of you :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 833 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 04:35
  • msg #731

Re: OOC Discussion

Oh look, I survived. I love it when that happens.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 835 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 17:33
  • msg #732

Re: OOC Discussion

Awwww cute! Boreas and Maeve have the exact same number of posts. It's like that elderly couple that always wears matching outfits in the retirement community.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:34, Sat 01 Feb 2014.
Maeve Hassan
player, 602 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 17:36
  • msg #733

Re: OOC Discussion

Hey, look at that; we do.  Totally unplanned (because that would be really weird and anal-retentive) but. . . . go us?

Looking forward to meeting your acquaintance, Sazed!
Boreas Highwind
player, 602 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 17:54
  • msg #734

Re: OOC Discussion

Hooray!

Yeah, looking forward to meeting Sazed.
DM
GM, 943 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 20:22
  • msg #735

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 734):

"upwards" confuses me. You are going to take the stairwell upward instead of opening any of the doors on this floor?

You're welcome to do that but I want to be sure.
Maeve Hassan
player, 603 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 20:30
  • msg #736

Re: OOC Discussion

I was under the impression that we were busting open whichever door we happen to be standing in front of right now.  But that's just me.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 836 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 1 Feb 2014
at 20:54
  • msg #737

Re: OOC Discussion

I didn't realize there were doors on the main level. Let's open them before moving up or down. I don't care which we do first. Edited to reflect. I understand the combat grid now.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:57, Sat 01 Feb 2014.
Keef
player, 484 posts
Hero in training
Mon 3 Feb 2014
at 12:51
  • msg #738

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 737):

I tried to figure out of there's a way Keef could have run over to flank the Butcher, but if he didn't move and Zuriel is right in front of him, then I wasn't sure it could be done so I didn't take any bonuses for that.
DM
GM, 949 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 3 Feb 2014
at 16:30
  • msg #739

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 738):

Simon and Shep want the Butcher's dice karma.
Keef
player, 486 posts
Hero in training
Mon 3 Feb 2014
at 16:36
  • msg #740

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 739):

...as do we all
DM
GM, 964 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 3 Feb 2014
at 22:57
  • msg #741

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 740):

4000+ posts!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 857 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 02:50
  • msg #742

Re: OOC Discussion

I guess we continue going up? I figure anybody else can respond while walking.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:50, Tue 04 Feb 2014.
DM
GM, 967 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 03:06
  • msg #743

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 742):

Three floors is where it tops out. The only floor you haven't explored is the basement.
Maeve Hassan
player, 612 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 03:23
  • msg #744

Re: OOC Discussion

*Shrug.*  To the basement!
Keef
player, 492 posts
Hero in training
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 20:19
  • msg #745

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 744):

Ha, 7d6 and I roll 3 1's... my luck continues!
Maeve Hassan
player, 619 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 20:20
  • msg #746

Re: OOC Discussion

Still, well done!  Go Keef!
Keef
player, 493 posts
Hero in training
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 20:22
  • msg #747

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 746):

As I was rolling my dice and checking what saves the enemy have, THAT's when I noticed the "immune to flames"... whoops.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 868 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 20:30
  • msg #748

Re: OOC Discussion

Still probably the right call to use fireball
Sazed
NPC, 16 posts
Arcane Shaman
Renegade of the Order
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 23:11
  • msg #749

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 748):

Maeve- As a function of haste, you get a second attack with the weapon you're holding if you make a full round attack action, which you did. It doesn't say anything about having to hit.

I think you get another swing at your max BAB + modifiers. He's got to watch out for the backhand.

http://www.d20srd.org/srd/spells/haste.htm

DM?
Boreas Highwind
player, 614 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 23:12
  • msg #750

Re: OOC Discussion

Maeve made a standard attack that round, because she moved.  Next round, she will be able to make a full attack, granting her a total of three attacks.
Sazed
NPC, 17 posts
Arcane Shaman
Renegade of the Order
Tue 4 Feb 2014
at 23:14
  • msg #751

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 750):

Ya, I just reread the post. Bummer.

I tried Maeve! :)
Boreas Highwind
player, 615 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 03:32
  • msg #752

Re: OOC Discussion

Also, if possible, can you (and Keef) post what spell you're casting?  I help Sarah with a lot of her combat math, and it's easier to keep track of stuff if I can see it on my end too.
Maeve Hassan
player, 621 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 12:08
  • msg #753

Re: OOC Discussion

Yes, please do.  Also, I was up until like a quarter to one fretting over/strategizing for this damn fight.  I awoke at 4:30 to find that our upstairs toilet had dumped about a half inch of standing water on the floor and was up til 5 mopping that up.

For God's sake, give me something good here today.
DM
GM, 983 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 12:35
  • msg #754

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 753):

Ew, that's the worst. Sorry :(

If it helps, I'm pretty sure you'll win this fight today.  Maybe.
Sazed
NPC, 18 posts
Arcane Shaman
Renegade of the Order
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 13:16
  • msg #755

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 754):

Your day probably won't get shittier?

#PunsRFun
Maeve Hassan
player, 622 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 13:17
  • msg #756

Re: OOC Discussion

Ha. Ha. Ha.

But no, turned out to be something with the tank, which I believe I have now fixed.  No poop water.
Keef
player, 494 posts
Hero in training
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 13:51
  • msg #757

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 756):

Mmmmmm poop water... no better topic to start off the day...

Whenever Keef casts a spell, I normally PM the GM with which one it is and whenever it's a buff spell I include whichever ally is being buffed so you can do all your maths.  I'll also publicize the damage and effects to enemies for tactical purposes.

However, barring that I'd rather not post the name of each spell.  It feels more thematic to me to just describe the effects.  It also maintains the mystique of magic to those characters who don't know anything about it (I haven't a clue what Zuriel/Boreas/Lyriel are casting either in or out of game).

Finally, Keef is casting a combination of standard and non-standard spells and is also invoking powers from some other sources.  Knowledge of which is which and how he's doing what he's doing is very much a roleplaying thing to me and is best addressed in-game.
Boreas Highwind
player, 617 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 14:10
  • msg #758

Re: OOC Discussion

If t's a spell we are familiar with (e.g. Bull's Strength), any character with ranks in Spellcraft should be able to recognize it anyway.  We can all go about rolling our checks to ID each new spell, and if it's something nonstandard, it makes sense not to reveal it right away.  Still, knowing the mechanical impact helps streamline the game.

Even if you don't want to post the name, maybe just post what it does then.  I guess if it's cast on you only it's fine though.
Keef
player, 496 posts
Hero in training
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 14:13
  • msg #759

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 758):

Right, and that's what I've been trying to do.  When I case Haste or Bull's Strengh on someone, I let that person know.
Maeve Hassan
player, 623 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 14:16
  • msg #760

Re: OOC Discussion

That's fine.  What *would* be helpful is if you could maybe also through in a private line about what benefit the spell provides and for how long.  Sazed did that yesterday, and it was a nice touch.
Keef
player, 497 posts
Hero in training
Wed 5 Feb 2014
at 14:23
  • msg #761

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 760):

Certainly!

Normally whenever I post (except on my phone) I have Hypertext D20 SRD open in another pane.  I can just send a link to the spell or copy/paste from there so there isn't any confusion.... god knows I can't keep track of what all my spells do...
Keef
player, 503 posts
Hero in training
Thu 6 Feb 2014
at 12:34
  • msg #762

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 761):

Ha!  Lots of reading to catch up on from when I logged off yesterday!

Keef is not with P.A.R.T.Y. and did not return to the Inn yet.
Maeve Hassan
player, 646 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 13:43
  • msg #763

Re: OOC Discussion

So here's an idea: in combat, both Zuriel and Lyriel can each take a full round action to make out with each other.  All enemies w/in a certain radius are sickened for 1d4 rounds.
Sazed
NPC, 31 posts
Arcane Shaman
Renegade of the Order
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 13:47
  • msg #764

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 763):

Their love is like rain! It flows pure and eternal from the heavens!

..As long as the clothes stay on, it's all (regrettably saccharine) character development.

Just wait until Sazed, with his well traveled, planar based conceptions of love and marriage, begins flirting with Keef.

Oh he'll make a real mage out of Keef. A real mage..
Keef
player, 507 posts
Hero in training
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 13:52
  • msg #765

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Sazed (msg # 764):

Chubbs is not impressed by your feeble human emotions.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 889 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 14:25
  • msg #766

Re: OOC Discussion

May I just point out Maeve, that you lost your right to complain when you compelled us to do that most recent bit on the open forum instead of via PM as was the original plan ;-p

We've tried to isolate you all from the most saccharine parts, but Maeve couldn't get enough. I bet she secretly has a copy of Twilight hidden the hollowed out shell of Anna Karenina on her bedside table...
Maeve Hassan
player, 647 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 14:30
  • msg #767

Re: OOC Discussion

I have never read Twilight. Nor Anna Karenina, for that matter.
Keef
player, 509 posts
Hero in training
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 14:34
  • msg #768

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 767):

Fifty Shades then?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 890 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 14:40
  • msg #769

Re: OOC Discussion

Fifty shades of gray elves
DM
GM, 1011 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 14:59
  • msg #770

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 769):

Everyone but Keef has been reduced to level 1.
Keef
player, 510 posts
Hero in training
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 16:04
  • msg #771

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 770):

Fireball.

I win.
DM
GM, 1014 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 7 Feb 2014
at 16:06
  • msg #772

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 771):

IIRC, there's a 10% chance you don't... :)
Zuriel Silendril
player, 903 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 8 Feb 2014
at 20:32
  • msg #773

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas: 500 gold? There's an information broker just up the road with the same info for only 300!
DM
GM, 1024 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 8 Feb 2014
at 20:39
  • msg #774

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 773):

He's onto you, Chris...
Boreas Highwind
player, 637 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 8 Feb 2014
at 22:42
  • msg #775

Re: OOC Discussion

Zuriel:

"It is imperative that you tell us the information that we seek.  We must rescue these people for justice and good," Zuriel exclaimed handsomely, the scent of lavender and sandalwood wafting around him.  All of the women in the room, especially Lyriel, admired his handsome frame because he is so handsome and dashing.  "Certainly we can find some kind of solution that makes everyone happy all of the time.

[Diplomacy 89]

"According to the code of Tassada, I am obligated to arrest the people responsible for this travesty, and I become most cross whenever anyone disagrees.  Then, we will fill out lots of exciting paperwork!  Isn't that right, Shahara?

Oh yes, Zuriel.  I am so magical and pretty.  Let me reinforce how amazing and handsome you are, you paragon of justice.

Zuriel strikes a heroic pose, and you hear triumphant music in the background.

[OOOOC]Sorry, it should be longer, but I didn't have all night ;)[/OOOOC]
This message was last edited by the player at 22:43, Sat 08 Feb 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 908 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 8 Feb 2014
at 23:58
  • msg #776

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 775):

I ain't even mad
Lyriel Vesper
player, 323 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 01:54
  • msg #777

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas:

Aaaaarooooon how is Zuriel rolling an 89 on his diplomacy?! We're only level seeeveeeen this is stupid and broken and not fun! :-(
Boreas Highwind
player, 638 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 01:55
  • msg #778

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas only complains about NPCs doing stupid, broken things.

Also, Lyriel:

As her delicate hands dance over the teacups like porcelain mannequins, a wry smile crosses her face.  "Zuriel, you smell especially strongly of sandalwood today."  She bats her eyes, leaf-green and glistening, as she casts longing gazes at the paladin.  Her flawless skin is touched with a rose hue, as though kissed by a thousand tiny unicorns.

She focuses for a moment, and her dress transforms into a sheer, crimson fabric, perfectly matched to her honey-blonde hair.  It is form-fitting in just the right places, but in a totally classy, but still provocative, but entirely classy way.

"You know, Zuriel, I think I would associate with you even if you only held a modest estate.  I'm not one to get hung up on class like a filthy, stinking peasant.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:00, Sun 09 Feb 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 909 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 01:57
  • msg #779

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas Highwind:
How did Zuriel cast Daylight?  It's a third-level spell.


ahem ;-p
This message was last edited by the player at 02:00, Sun 09 Feb 2014.
Boreas Highwind
player, 639 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:01
  • msg #780

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 779):

Boreas doesn't currently do so.  He may or may not have in the past.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 910 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:01
  • msg #781

Re: OOC Discussion

You should do one of those for all of us!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 911 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:03
  • msg #782

Re: OOC Discussion

Zuriel:

Verbosity
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
"Expatiation" redirects here. It is not to be confused with Expatriation or Expiation.
Verbosity is speech or writing which is deemed to use an excess of words. The opposite of verbosity is succinctness, which can be found in plain language (including Plain English), and laconism.
Some teachers, including the author of The Elements of Style, warn writers not to be verbose. Similarly, some authors, including Mark Twain and Ernest Hemingway, use a succinct style and avoid verbosity.
Synonyms for verbosity include wordiness, prolixity, grandiloquence, garrulousness, expatiation, and logorrhea. Corresponding adjectival forms are verbose, wordy, prolix, grandiloquent, garrulous, and logorrheic.
Examples of verbosity are common in political speech, academic prose, and other genres.
Contents  [hide]
1 Style advice
2 Other labels
3 Examples
4 See also
5 References
Style advice[edit]



Roman general Julius Caesar spoke concisely of one of his military successes, Veni, Vidi, Vici, that is, "I came, I saw, I conquered."
William Strunk, and American professor of English, wrote about the balance between being clear and being concise in 1918. He advised "Use the active voice: Put statements in positive form; Omit needless words."[1]
In A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (1926) Henry Watson Fowler says, "It is the second-rate writers, those intent rather on expressing themselves prettily than on conveying their meaning clearly, & still more those whose notions of style are based on a few misleading rules of thumb, that are chiefly open to the allurements of elegant variation," Fowler's term for the over-use of synonyms.[2]
Where Fowler thought the use of multiple words to name the same thing in English prose was excessive, in some other languages, including French,[3][4] it might be thought to be a good writing style.
Mark Twain (1835–1910) wrote "generally, the fewer the words that fully communicate or evoke the intended ideas and feelings, the more effective the communication."[5]
Ernest Hemingway (1899–1961), the 1954 Nobel prizewinner for literature, defended his concise style against a charge by William Faulkner that he "had never been known to use a word that might send the reader to the dictionary."[6] Hemingway responded by saying, "Poor Faulkner. Does he really think big emotions come from big words? He thinks I don't know the ten-dollar words. I know them all right. But there are older and simpler and better words, and those are the ones I use."[7]
An inquiry into the 2005 London bombings found that verbosity can be dangerous if used by emergency services. It can lead to delay that could cost lives.[8]
A 2005 study from the psychology department of Princeton University found that using long and obscure words does not make people seem more intelligent. Dr. Daniel M. Oppenheimer did research which showed that students rated short, concise texts as being written by the most intelligent authors. But those who used long words or complex font types were seen as less intelligent.[9]
In William Shakespeare's Hamlet, one of Polonius's many sententious maxims reads
Therefore, since brevity is the soul of wit,
And tediousness the limbs and outward flourishes, I will be brief.
However, despite this line becoming proverbial over time, Shakespeare's audiences were not necessarily inclined to read Polonius as someone who is perfectly wise; his sentences, like that of much early modern drama, can easily be seen as part of a comic trope.[citation needed]
Other labels[edit]

The word verbosity comes from Latin verbosus, "word". There are many other English words that also refer to the use of excessive words.
Prolixity comes from Latin prolixus, "extended". Prolixity can also be used to refer to the length of a monologue or speech, especially a formal address such as a lawyer's oral argument.[10]
Grandiloquence is complex speech or writing judged to be pompous or bombastic diction. It is a combination of the Latin words grandis ("great") and loqui ("to speak").[11]
Logorrhea or logorrhoea (from Greek λογόρροια, logorrhoia, "word-flux") is an excessive flow of words. It is often used pejoratively to describe prose that is hard to understand because it is needlessly complicated or uses excessive jargon. The term is also sometimes applied[by whom?] to unnecessarily wordy speech in general.[citation needed]
Sesquipedalianism is a linguistic style that involves the use of long words. Roman poet Horace coined the phrase sesquipedalia verba in his Ars Poetica.[12][non-primary source needed] It is a compound of sesqui, "one and a half", and pes, "foot", a reference to meter. The earliest recorded usage in English of sesquipedalian is in 1656, and of sesquipedalianism, 1863.[13]
Garrulous comes from Latin garrulus, "talkative", a form of the verb garrīre, "to chatter". The adjective may describe a person who is excessively talkative, especially about trivial matters, or a speech that is excessively wordy or diffuse[14]
Elegant variation is a phrase coined by Henry Fowler referring to the unnecessary use of synonyms to denote a single thing. In the 1920s, when Fowler coined the term "elegant variation", the word elegant had a since-lost pejorative connotation of "precious over-refinement". In The Oxford Dictionary of American Usage and Style, Bryan Garner unambiguously recast the term as "inelegant variation".[full citation needed]
The noun expatiation and the verb expatiate come from Latin expatiātus, past participle from spatiārī, "to wander". They refer to to enlarging a discourse, text, or description.[15]
Examples[edit]

Warren G. Harding, the 29th President of the United States, was noted[by whom?] as a grandiloquent speaker, with a florid style unusual even in his era.[citation needed] A Democrat leader, William Gibbs McAdoo described Harding's speeches as "an army of pompous phrases moving across the landscape in search of an idea."[16]
Senator Robert C. Byrd (Democrat, of West Virginia) lost his position as Majority Leader in 1989 because his colleagues felt his grandiloquent speeches, often employing obscure allusions to ancient Rome and Greece, were not an asset to the party base.[17] This trait has been exemplified by oratory quoting Shakespeare in reference to the stock market.[18]
The Michigan Law Review published a 229-page parody of postmodern writing titled "Pomobabble: Postmodern Newspeak and Constitutional 'Meaning' for the Uninitiated". The article consists of extremely complicated and highly context sensitive self-referencing narratives about the article itself. The text is peppered with an absolutely excessive number of parenthetical citations and asides, which is supposed to mock the cluttered postmodernist style of writing.[19]
In The King's English, Fowler gives as one of his examples this passage from The Times: "The Emperor received yesterday and to-day General Baron von Beck.... It may therefore be assumed with some confidence that the terms of a feasible solution are maturing themselves in His Majesty's mind and may form the basis of further negotiations with Hungarian party leaders when the Monarch goes again to Budapest."[20] Fowler objected to this passage because The Emperor, His Majesty, and the Monarch all refer to the same person: "the effect", he pointed out in Modern English Usage, "is to set readers wondering what the significance of the change is, only to conclude that there is none."
The physicist and storyteller Richard Feynman describes a time when he took part in a conference discussing "the ethics of equality". Feynman was at first apprehensive, having read none of the books which the conference organizers had recommended. A sociologist brought a paper which he had written beforehand to the committee where Feynman served, asking everyone to read it. Feynman found it completely incomprehensible, and feared that he was out of his depth — until he decided to pick one sentence at random and parse it until he understood. The sentence he chose (to the best of his recollection) was, "The individual member of the social community often receives his information via visual, symbolic channels." Feynman "translated" the sentence and discovered it meant, "People read". The rest of the paper soon made sense in the same fashion.[citation needed]
An example of logorrhea in politics comes from the essay "Politics and the English Language" by George Orwell (1946). He took the following verse (9:11) from the book of Ecclesiastes in the Bible:
"I returned and saw under the sun, that the race is not to the swift, nor the battle to the strong, neither yet bread to the wise, nor yet riches to men of understanding, nor yet favour to men of skill; but time and chance happeneth to them all."
He rewrote it like this:
"Objective considerations of contemporary phenomena compel the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account."
Orwell’s deliberate usage of unnecessary words only serves to further complicate the statement. For instance, the words "objective", "contemporary" and "invariably" could be cut, with virtually no loss of meaning.[citation needed]
See also[edit]

Cantinflas
Demagoguery
Gift of the gab
Gobbledygook
List of Germanic and Latinate equivalents in English
List of plain English words and phrases
Logorrhea (psychology)
Nominalization
Nonscience (book)
Obfuscation
Pleonasm
Readability
Redundancy
Sokal Affair
Tautology (rhetoric)
Volubility
References[edit]

Look up verbose in Wiktionary, the free dictionary.
Jump up ^ Strunk, William (1918). The Elements of Style. Paris: Feedbooks.
Jump up ^ Fowler, Henry Watson (1994) [1926]. A Dictionary of Modern English Usage. Wordsworth Editions. ISBN 978-1-85326-318-7.
Jump up ^ Paterson, Ann (2006). "Painting with words". In Eugenia Loffredo, Manuela Perteghella. Translation And Creativity: Perspectives on Creative Writing And Translation Studies. Continuum. p. 88. ISBN 0-8264-8793-9. ". . . the rule of elegant variation (that is, using synonyms wherever possible), which purists consider to be essential for good style in French."
Jump up ^ Fuller, Frederick (1984). The Translator's Handbook: (with special reference to conference translation from French and Spanish). Penn State University Press. p. 35. ISBN 0-271-00368-5. "Elegant variation French tends to avoid repetition of proper names, with a description of the person, at second reference."
Jump up ^ "Reference for Prolixity". Search.com.[dead link]
Jump up ^ Rovit, Earl; Waldhorn, Arthur (2006). Hemingway and Faulkner in Their Time. Continuum. p. 162. ISBN 978-0-8264-1825-8. Retrieved 28 February 2011.
Jump up ^ Shapiro, Fred R. (2006). The Yale Book of Quotations. Yale University Press. p. 354. ISBN 0-300-10798-6. Retrieved 28 February 2011.
Jump up ^ "7/7 inquests: emergency services should use plain English". Telegraph. Retrieved 11 March 2011.
Jump up ^ Oppenheimer, Daniel M. (2005). "Consequences of Erudite Vernacular Utilized Irrespective of Necessity: Problems with using long words needlessly" (PDF). Applied Cognitive Psychology 20: 139–15. doi:10.1002/acp.1178.
Jump up ^ Percy, Sholto; Reuben Percy (1826). The Percy Anecdotes. London: T. Boys. p. 9.
Jump up ^ "Dictionary.com - Grandiloquence". Dictionary.reference.com. Retrieved 2013-01-21.
Jump up ^ "Ars Poetica, l.97". Perseus Project. Retrieved 2 February 2011.
Jump up ^ Simpson, J. A.; Weiner, E. S. C. (1989). The Oxford English Dictionary (Second Edition). Oxford University Press.
Jump up ^ "Dictionary.com - Garrulous". Dictionary.reference.com. Retrieved 2013-01-23.
Jump up ^ "Dictionary.com - expatiation". Dictionary.reference.com. Retrieved 2013-01-23.
Jump up ^ "Warren G. Harding". The White House. Retrieved 2013-01-23.
Jump up ^ "At 87, Byrd Faces Re-election Battle of His Career". 2005-05-22. Retrieved 2014-01-23.
Jump up ^ "Byrd speech from LOC". Thomas.loc.gov. 2001-03-20. Retrieved 2013-01-21.
Jump up ^ Arrow, Dennis W. (December 1997). "Pomobabble: Postmodern Newspeak and Constitutional "Meaning" for the Uninitiated". Michigan Law Review 96 (3): 461–690. doi:10.2307/1290146. JSTOR 1290146.
Jump up ^ Fowler, Henry Watson; Fowler, Francis George (1908). The King's English. Clarendon Press.

Boreas Highwind
player, 640 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:04
  • msg #783

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas:

Boreas nods and scratches his beard.  Then, his eye glints.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 912 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:06
  • msg #784

Re: OOC Discussion

Zuriel Silendril
player, 913 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:07
  • msg #785

Re: OOC Discussion

Keef's eventual character development:

http://www.amikelife.com/wp-co...09/03/calvin_add.jpg
Maeve Hassan
player, 655 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:08
  • msg #786

Re: OOC Discussion

The lady in question is not bearing cookies.  Ergo, not entirely accurate.
Maeve Hassan
player, 656 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 02:48
  • msg #787

Re: OOC Discussion

Also, seeing as everyone else is doing it:

"Maeve drinks some tea and then messily kills something.  Then, she cock-blocks a meaningful conversation."
DM
GM, 1028 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 03:43
  • msg #788

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 787):

Chubbs disapproves of this thread.  Keef would, too, except he's too busy chasing a butterfly that reminds him of this one time Sir Greenheart...
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:50, Tue 11 Feb 2014.
Keef
player, 512 posts
Hero in training
Sun 9 Feb 2014
at 12:28
  • msg #789

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 788):

did you say 'Sir Greenheart'?  This one time he was in the land of the undead bunnies...
Maeve Hassan
player, 665 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 10 Feb 2014
at 23:17
  • msg #790

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 789):

Ceiling Boreas is watching you masturbate.
Keef
player, 514 posts
Hero in training
Mon 10 Feb 2014
at 23:53
  • msg #791

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 790):

thank god!  I knew I dressed up for a reason.
DM
GM, 1042 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 11 Feb 2014
at 14:50
  • msg #792

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 791):

rocks and lava.  whichever it takes to make that vision go away.
DM
GM, 1056 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 11 Feb 2014
at 17:05
  • msg #793

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 792):

Soon as I know how Sazed and Keef want to spend their night, we'll be set.
DM
GM, 1068 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 12:24
  • msg #794

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 793):

Big props to Maeve for her work regarding Ikuabai's description.  The bulk of the text came from her :)
DM
GM, 1071 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 14:24
  • msg #795

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 794):

Also along the road, the following things happen:

1) Lyriel finds a new flower -- often tinged with slime -- on her pillow each night, though Zuriel remains adamant that it isn't from him.

2) Maeve is able to make strides with Wes, turning him into a more competent steed.  She also instructs Oliver in the basics of combat archery and how to work with melee allies -- something he's never had to do while hunting.

3) Boreas's eye has taken to glowing faintly just before dawn and just after dusk, at which point he seems less focused than usual .  He also peruses Filbert's notebook, which has remained blank, and his compass, which points weakly in a variety of directions throughout the journey, never fixating on a single point for long.  You must be far away from most places of power while along the road.

4) Zuriel divides his time among training Rachel in the art of swordsmanship, wooing Lyriel so discreetly that everyone knows he's doing it, and pampering his horse.  More than once, you can hear him whispering "Who's a good horsie? YOU ARE!" when he thinks no one is close enough to hear.  He also spends plenty of time with the book of answers.  The slimy flowers, however, draw a cloud over his features whenever they are mentioned.

5) Sazed, for his part, tells tales of the various planes and tries to get to know his companions better -- particularly their moral compass.

6) Keef spends his time researching his spells, reading the stolen spellbooks, telling stories, and talking to Chubbs and Longshanks.  )
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:25, Wed 12 Feb 2014.
DM
GM, 1075 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 18:09
  • msg #796

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 795):

Also... you're not getting your mages back. They are gone forever in the Bazaar.
DM
GM, 1076 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 18:25
  • msg #797

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 796):

Can hand-wave the trip to the bazaar and to deliver the horses.  Post that it happened, and so be it.  Let me know what you want to buy and I'll price it out.
Maeve Hassan
player, 679 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 18:34
  • msg #798

Re: OOC Discussion

Sounds like Zuriel has a list of stuff to buy, most of which he's already posted.  Lyriel and I of course need to acquire slutty dresses (oh if I had a nickel for every time I had to do this in a D&D campaign. . . .) I don't have anything in particular that I need. It sounds as though Boreas is not coming with, so if he has anything else he wants (not sure if he's acquired everything off his list) I can pick it up and he can get me back.




No way in hell are you hand-waving Kah'Ribu's Tea & Coffee Emporium though.  Magee and I have been waiting for this since literally the first week of the campaign.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:37, Wed 12 Feb 2014.
DM
GM, 1077 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 18:45
  • msg #799

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 798):

The coffee & tea hut will happen, but maybe after Baldwin's briefing...
Maeve Hassan
player, 680 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 18:46
  • msg #800

Re: OOC Discussion

On the other hand, these cloaks of resistance seem to come highly recommended. If they are available, I will pick up a +1 one.  Also a composite longbow.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:49, Wed 12 Feb 2014.
DM
GM, 1079 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 19:07
  • msg #801

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 800):

Silversheen costs $250/vial.  Cloaks of +2 Resistance cost $4,000 apiece. Tanglefoot bags are $50/each.  Standard composite longbows run $100 each. Please deduct from your purses accordingly.
Boreas Highwind
player, 671 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 19:48
  • msg #802

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 801):

Looking for a composite longbow (str +4), book price 500.  Maeve is just buying a cloak of resistance +1, book price 1000.  Those prices work for you?
DM
GM, 1081 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 20:20
  • msg #803

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 802):

Those prices are fine.
DM
GM, 1083 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Feb 2014
at 21:04
  • msg #804

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 803):

Waiting on our errand mages before advancing the Baldwin plotline. Unless, of course, they take all (in-game) day.
Keef
player, 533 posts
Hero in training
Thu 13 Feb 2014
at 03:49
  • msg #805

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 804):

Awesome Maeve!  I will now always picture Zuriel with his cape blowing dramatically...
Boreas Highwind
player, 680 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 14 Feb 2014
at 03:02
  • msg #806

Re: OOC Discussion

Ah what a difference a typo can make.

In my last post, I almost typed: "... he brushes the crumbs from his bears."
Maeve Hassan
player, 687 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 14 Feb 2014
at 03:09
  • msg #807

Re: OOC Discussion

And I've been giggling since then picturing the PARTY being followed about by a herd of bears.  As well as other beard/bears typos:

"Boreas decides that it's about time that he shaved his bears."
"Boreas contemplatively strokes his bears."
Keef
player, 539 posts
Hero in training
Fri 14 Feb 2014
at 03:28
  • msg #808

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 807):

I move that we sell all Droopies and replace them with bears immdeiately.

The same goes for replacing all beards.
DM
GM, 1096 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 17 Feb 2014
at 18:19
  • msg #809

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 808):

Further conversations that you want to have happen that evening can occur in the PM table; for now, on with the show!
DM
GM, 1100 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 01:33
  • msg #810

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 809):

I'm not sure why everyone wanted to meet at the coffee shop, but there you have it. Sarah has threatened to drive up here and kill me if I hand-wave it so... attend.
Maeve Hassan
player, 704 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 01:34
  • msg #811

Re: OOC Discussion

A lot of it has to do with the fact that Zuriel and I want to give Keef copious amounts of espresso and sit back to enjoy the results.
Keef
player, 546 posts
Hero in training
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 03:19
  • msg #812

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 811):

Hmmmmm, self-target Haste at will?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 961 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 04:20
  • msg #813

Re: OOC Discussion

We aren't leaving this place until you drink your goddamn coffee Keef. We have been plotting this for literally months.
This message was last edited by the player at 04:20, Tue 18 Feb 2014.
DM
GM, 1101 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 04:23
  • msg #814

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 813):

The mages have their loot. I'm sure they'll meander in eventually.  Or blow it off to look at the fire-breathing hooka hookers.  Those ladies can DANCE.
Keef
player, 548 posts
Hero in training
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 13:10
  • msg #815

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 814):

Wait, do the hookers breathe fire or the hookas?

With the right accent, they're the same thing right?
Maeve Hassan
player, 709 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 15:09
  • msg #816

Re: OOC Discussion

In retrospect, wasn't Yuri the name of Oliver's now-dead sibling?  Oops.  It was the first vaguely-Russian sounding name that popped into my head.  Probably for that reason.

My bad.

Which brings up the interesting question of why in fantasy realms nobody has the same name as anyone else.  Hell, Lyriel could have been such a common name that all the little girls in her class had to go by Lyriel V., Lyriel B., etc. etc.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 348 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 15:13
  • msg #817

Re: OOC Discussion

Don't be silly Maeve. This is the Highborn we're talking about.

There could be a class full of Lyriels, but they would all have different pretentious misspellings. Lyriel, Lyrielle, Lyrael, Lyriell, Llerael, etc.

And the stripper version of course: Lyrii
DM
GM, 1106 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 15:39
  • msg #818

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 817):

I have updated his name to one we haven't used yet.  Go team.
DM
GM, 1108 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 15:55
  • msg #819

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 818):

MUCH LATER...

The P.A.R.T.Y. sits in the Wench's pallid interior, so jittery then can barely sit still.  Every few minutes, one of them excuses themselves to go pee.
Maeve Hassan
player, 714 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 17:52
  • msg #820

Re: OOC Discussion

You know the really ironic part about all this?  I don't actually like coffee very much at all.

I *was* able to get a gyro and a square of baklava for lunch though, seeing as Med Deli now has a franchise in bottom of Lenoir.
Boreas Highwind
player, 693 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 18:57
  • msg #821

Re: OOC Discussion

That's right, ladies and gentlemen.  Chris made a *sports* joke.
Keef
player, 553 posts
Hero in training
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 19:18
  • msg #822

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 821):

In Boston that's technically a religious joke.
Maeve Hassan
player, 718 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 21:11
  • msg #823

Re: OOC Discussion

I don't get it.
Maeve Hassan
player, 719 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 21:15
  • msg #824

Re: OOC Discussion

Oh!  I see.  I thought the joke had something to do with having an interview with a death cultist.  Got it now.
Darris
NPC, 3 posts
The Underhand
Not Ominous At All
Tue 18 Feb 2014
at 21:36
  • msg #825

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 824):

Death cultist?! You wound me, madam.  I'm merely a cog in a greater machine.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:36, Tue 18 Feb 2014.
Keef
player, 555 posts
Hero in training
Wed 19 Feb 2014
at 00:49
  • msg #826

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Darris (msg # 825):

A "Frozen" joke Zuriel?


.... right on!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 972 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 19 Feb 2014
at 01:05
  • msg #827

Re: OOC Discussion

I don't care what they're going to say!
This message had punctuation tweaked by the player at 01:06, Wed 19 Feb 2014.
Boreas Highwind
player, 703 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 19 Feb 2014
at 02:06
  • msg #828

Re: OOC Discussion

I don't know.  The reference was kind of forced.  You should probably just Let It Go.
Maeve Hassan
player, 724 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 19 Feb 2014
at 13:53
  • msg #829

Re: OOC Discussion

Speaking of references, I am really looking forward to seeing how many Simon & Garfunkel song references we can throw in during our rendezvous on the docks.  I'm sure that Darris began to grow concerned when he stopped receiving Simon's Sends and instead just got the sound of silence.  I only wonder how we can build a bridge over this troubled water.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 975 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 19 Feb 2014
at 13:58
  • msg #830

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm not sure Darris would really get the references. I doubt he has much of a musical background. When he left his home and his family, he was no more than a boy.
Maeve Hassan
player, 725 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 19 Feb 2014
at 14:04
  • msg #831

Re: OOC Discussion

You'll note that one of Simon's other associates was named Alvin.  God only knows what happened to Theodore. . . .
DM
GM, 1117 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 19 Feb 2014
at 16:18
  • msg #832

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 831):

He goes by Teddy now.  Maybe you'll meet him some day...
Maeve Hassan
player, 738 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 20 Feb 2014
at 15:38
  • msg #833

Re: OOC Discussion

In other news, Zuriel and I have decided that Tassada should have a shitty praise band, probably based wherever her main temple is.  Anyone up for several dozen renditions of "Our Goddess is an Awesome Goddess?"
DM
GM, 1128 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 20 Feb 2014
at 15:59
  • msg #834

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 833):

Snippet:

Holy Is Her Name

1. My soul is filled with joy
as I sing praises to the Goddess:
for her light shines on her people,
she delivers them from evil

Refrain
And holy is your name through all generations!
Everlasting is your justice to the wicked you have smitten,
and holy is your name.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 991 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 15:49
  • msg #835

Re: OOC Discussion

How much money do we have as a party, currently? We'll need enough for wands and also to hire a crew. I have something like 60 gp :-/

I think Lyriel has around 900gp.
Maeve Hassan
player, 748 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 15:50
  • msg #836

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 835):

I'm sitting at 990, deducting whatever amount I owe Chuck's buddy to whip Wes into shape while we're gone.
Keef
player, 565 posts
Hero in training
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 16:09
  • msg #837

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 836):

Keef has 1,580...1,579... 1,578... oops!  Kofee!
Sazed
NPC, 61 posts
Arcane Shaman
Renegade of the Order
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 16:42
  • msg #838

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 837):

Sazed has 4000 in planar equivalent currency, and another 3000 or so from what you split him?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 994 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 16:45
  • msg #839

Re: OOC Discussion

Okay. So we will need probably two wands, at 2.4k total.

We should probably set aside another 1.5 k for the crew in case Darris doesn't foot the bill. Or doesn't foot the full amount.

So let's go ahead and take care of that. We'll figure out what comes from whose share later.
Boreas Highwind
player, 726 posts
Eye for an Eye
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 16:48
  • msg #840

Re: OOC Discussion

Works for me.
DM
GM, 1138 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 17:46
  • msg #841

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 840):

The good news is that you don't have to pay for crewmen who die along the way.  Bonus!
Keef
player, 567 posts
Hero in training
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 17:51
  • msg #842

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 841):

Bonus?  Or insurance policy...
DM
GM, 1140 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 18:03
  • msg #843

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 842):

"Why does the bulk of the crew always seem to fall overboard on the last day of the voyage?"
Maeve Hassan
player, 749 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 18:26
  • msg #844

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 843):

Hey, it's just like Carolina's laptop policy!
Zuriel Silendril
player, 996 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 18:28
  • msg #845

Re: OOC Discussion

Except we don't get the dead crew replaced with newer, better crew of the most recent model year. Or do we?
DM
GM, 1141 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 18:29
  • msg #846

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 845):

That depends entirely on your opinion of zombie sailors.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 997 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 18:32
  • msg #847

Re: OOC Discussion

They float, so that's a plus.
Keef
player, 568 posts
Hero in training
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 20:10
  • msg #848

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 847):

And they burn decent enough if we get cold...
Maeve Hassan
player, 752 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 20:13
  • msg #849

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 848):

And you don't have to feed them.
DM
GM, 1142 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 21 Feb 2014
at 20:24
  • msg #850

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 849):

All benefits worth having. Be sure to pick up your union necromancer before you leave the dock!
Sazed
NPC, 65 posts
Arcane Shaman
Renegade of the Order
Sat 22 Feb 2014
at 00:46
  • msg #851

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 850):

I hope you all enjoy that I intentionally gave Keef a book on Sea Shanties and Pirate Poems just to force Jon to write it into Keef's ramblings.
Keef
player, 571 posts
Hero in training
Sat 22 Feb 2014
at 02:10
  • msg #852

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Sazed (msg # 851):

...and I intend to...

also, very excited to find a use for my favorite preposition.
Keef
player, 572 posts
Hero in training
Sat 22 Feb 2014
at 03:24
  • msg #853

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 852):

good thing we didn't hire Captain Kerck.  Lyriel would SURELY have been bedded then...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1002 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 22 Feb 2014
at 03:30
  • msg #854

Re: OOC Discussion

Nah, she's not an alien. She's safe from Kerck's charms.
Maeve Hassan
player, 758 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 22 Feb 2014
at 03:33
  • msg #855

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 854):

Not to mention Kerck has a pretty poor track record of keeping his crew alive and well.
Maeve Hassan
player, 759 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 22 Feb 2014
at 15:07
  • msg #856

Re: OOC Discussion

"Boreas" extends his regards to the rest of the P.A.R.T.Y and would like to inform everyone that he'll be on auto-follow today as he's playing in a Netrunner tournament in Cary.  Seems pretty irresponsible to do so given that he's heading up a super-secret undercover mission, but meh.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1004 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 22 Feb 2014
at 15:19
  • msg #857

Re: OOC Discussion

Indeed. I'm sure we won't run into pirates, hurricanes, sea monsters, mutiny, scurvy, or any other disasters while at sea.

RELEASE THE KRAKEN
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1008 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 23 Feb 2014
at 15:58
  • msg #858

Re: OOC Discussion

This game needs at least five times as many sea chanties
Maeve Hassan
player, 764 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 23 Feb 2014
at 16:00
  • msg #859

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 858):

I'm curious, Jon: did you make that one up yourself or did you just Google "sea shanties?"
DM
GM, 1149 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 23 Feb 2014
at 19:47
  • msg #860

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 859):

I promise to you there will not be a kraken or giant squid monster of any kind.

I can't vouch for more exotic sea critters though...
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:16, Mon 24 Feb 2014.
Keef
player, 576 posts
Hero in training
Sun 23 Feb 2014
at 22:44
  • msg #861

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 860):

Yes, made it up.  Will do better in the future.

And if asked, Keef will be totally oblivious that it's likely about the slave trade...
Maeve Hassan
player, 771 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 24 Feb 2014
at 17:21
  • msg #862

Re: OOC Discussion

Theme song for today:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfSLuEj99d0

Lyriel is obviously Ginger.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1012 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 24 Feb 2014
at 17:24
  • msg #863

Re: OOC Discussion

Of course she is.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 387 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Mon 24 Feb 2014
at 18:49
  • msg #864

Re: OOC Discussion

Let the storm raaaaage ooooooooooooon!
DM
GM, 1155 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 24 Feb 2014
at 19:32
  • msg #865

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 864):

If the rain turns to vomit, you have no one to blame but Zuriel and Lyriel...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1016 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 24 Feb 2014
at 19:35
  • msg #866

Re: OOC Discussion

Good thing we're belowdecks then, I'd say.
DM
GM, 1156 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 24 Feb 2014
at 19:42
  • msg #867

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 866):

Careful.

That's a nice game of chess relationship you have there. It would a shame if something were to happen to it...
Boreas Highwind
player, 738 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 24 Feb 2014
at 21:55
  • msg #868

Re: OOC Discussion

Dragon turtle: called it!
Maeve Hassan
player, 778 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 25 Feb 2014
at 14:56
  • msg #869

Re: OOC Discussion

Sorry, Jon.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1023 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 25 Feb 2014
at 16:15
  • msg #870

Re: OOC Discussion

That. Was. Awesome.
DM
GM, 1172 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 25 Feb 2014
at 18:49
  • msg #871

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 870):

It was!

If you have more things you want to do while on the ship, now's a decent time to do them. Also, if you have things that should have gotten down in the last few days.
Boreas Highwind
player, 742 posts
Eye for an Eye
Tue 25 Feb 2014
at 19:33
  • msg #872

Re: OOC Discussion

Also, when you level up, don't forget to increase one of your stats by 1 point.
Keef
player, 590 posts
Hero in training
Tue 25 Feb 2014
at 20:06
  • msg #873

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 872):

Perfect, was about to ask that!
DM
GM, 1175 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:11
  • msg #874

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 873):

Looks like a lot of the portrait avatars are broken. This is not my fault.

Hopefully they'll come back on their own, but if they don't, I'd encourage everyone to pick a new one that actually displays to avoid confusion.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1028 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:13
  • msg #875

Re: OOC Discussion

Portrait check
Maeve Hassan
player, 782 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:13
  • msg #876

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 875):

What he said.
Keef
player, 591 posts
Hero in training
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:17
  • msg #877

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 876):

heeeeeeeer's KEEF!
Boreas Highwind
player, 745 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:20
  • msg #878

Re: OOC Discussion

Go Go Boreas!
Lyriel Vesper
player, 401 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:37
  • msg #879

Re: OOC Discussion

Cleric Barbie reporting in
DM
GM, 1178 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:49
  • msg #880

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 879):

Only Lyriel and Maeve are showing up for me. Do the rest of you see the same thing as I do?
Maeve Hassan
player, 784 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 15:56
  • msg #881

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 880):

I see everybody.
DM
GM, 1179 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 16:02
  • msg #882

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 881):

Minus all the XP to those traitorous portraits.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1029 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 16:05
  • msg #883

Re: OOC Discussion

I also see everybody
Keef
player, 592 posts
Hero in training
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 16:28
  • msg #884

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 883):

I see dead people.
Maeve Hassan
player, 785 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 17:47
  • msg #885

Re: OOC Discussion

Maeve will contribute $500 to the "hire a ship and crew" fund.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1031 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 17:55
  • msg #886

Re: OOC Discussion

I figure it almost doesn't matter who pays for what. I figure whoever actually pays it gets their money back first once we get paid the 10k (provided, of course, that we actually get paid).

Then, whatever else is left over gets split six ways, once those who funded the expedition, and the supplies for the expedition, are paid back.
Boreas Highwind
player, 749 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 26 Feb 2014
at 18:13
  • msg #887

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah, assuming we get our cash from A'tril's posse, it won't really matter.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1033 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:00
  • msg #888

Re: OOC Discussion

Okay, so first thing we do is pay back whomever paid for the wands and the gold for the crew (mostly Sazed, I think.) Then we split the rest 6 ways?

I think that ends up being 925 gold a person?
DM
GM, 1185 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:05
  • msg #889

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 888):

Imbraer's big enough you can find pretty much any quality of inn you could want, in terms of price per night. None of you know enough about the place to know which quarters are what, however, so you'll be rolling the dice or exploring a bit to determine "facts" about the city.

Tell me your price range and I'll give you a few places to scout out.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1035 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:11
  • msg #890

Re: OOC Discussion

Not super concerned about the price, just somewhere discreet where we aren't likely to be robbed or have our throats slit in our sleep.
DM
GM, 1186 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:23
  • msg #891

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 890):

How well do you trust yourselves to secure such a place?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1036 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:26
  • msg #892

Re: OOC Discussion

Depends on the checks involved. I think our go to guys will be Sazed and Boreas.
Maeve Hassan
player, 790 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:27
  • msg #893

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 891):

We would prefer not to stay at the establishment called "The Slaughtered Inn-guests."  No matter how good their rates are.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:28, Thu 27 Feb 2014.
DM
GM, 1187 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:28
  • msg #894

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 892):

Just so we're clear, you just divided yourselves into three groups of 2, as follows:

Sazed/Keef
Boreas/Maeve
Lyriel/Zuriel

With no idea of where to meet up later?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1037 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:28
  • msg #895

Re: OOC Discussion

Let's also try to avoid resorting to staying at the "Don't Go Inn"
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1038 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:29
  • msg #896

Re: OOC Discussion

No, the intention is to pick a place first.
Maeve Hassan
player, 791 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:29
  • msg #897

Re: OOC Discussion

Oh look!  The Bates Motel has rooms for cheap.  Rooms for bathing too!. . . . .
DM
GM, 1188 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:30
  • msg #898

Re: OOC Discussion

Zuriel Silendril:
No, the intention is to pick a place first.


Funny, I only see someone talking about that being something worth doing. The next post is Keef wandering away with Sazed, Bob's your uncle, and here we are...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1039 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:32
  • msg #899

Re: OOC Discussion

I don't know that Sazed and Keef actually left, Maeve just kind of added that for flavor.
Boreas Highwind
player, 754 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:33
  • msg #900

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah, I'm sure we decide on a meeting place first.  They didn't actually choose to do that.
Maeve Hassan
player, 792 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:34
  • msg #901

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 899):

Quite.  It *did* seem like something they'd do.  I suppose I can always chase them down before they manage to well and truly escape and instruct them to meet us all in front of the Handsome Ox at sundown.
Boreas Highwind
player, 755 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:34
  • msg #902

Re: OOC Discussion

Edited my post to establish a meeting place, so I don't have to double post.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1040 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:35
  • msg #903

Re: OOC Discussion

I feel like we should find a reputable inn well before sundown. Not sure this is a city we want to be wandering around at night.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1041 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:36
  • msg #904

Re: OOC Discussion

Maybe Maeve and Boreas find a place to stay, then we all meet at the Handsome Ox at sundown, and then go to the inn Maeve and Boreas found earlier?
Boreas Highwind
player, 756 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:37
  • msg #905

Re: OOC Discussion

Yep, pretty much the plan.  Everyone find an inn.  We'll meet back where we are now and then go to the best one.
Maeve Hassan
player, 793 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:45
  • msg #906

Re: OOC Discussion

Welp, looks like the Scooby gang has split up as per usual.  Ruh roh.
DM
GM, 1189 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 19:47
  • msg #907

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 906):

Yay, more balls in the air. A juggler is me.
Keef
player, 597 posts
Hero in training
Thu 27 Feb 2014
at 20:16
  • msg #908

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 907):

Quit whining and spin us epic yarns of might and magic!
Maeve Hassan
player, 802 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 28 Feb 2014
at 23:26
  • msg #909

Re: OOC Discussion

Sorry again, Jon.  The dice have spoken.

[In case anyone could not figure that out, we were drawing straws to see who would have to take the room adjacent to Lyriel and Zuriel's.]
This message was last edited by the player at 00:04, Sat 01 Mar 2014.
Sazed
NPC, 86 posts
Arcane Shaman
Renegade of the Order
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 17:38
  • msg #910

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 909):

This is ABSOLUTELY happening.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1051 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 18:04
  • msg #911

Re: OOC Discussion

#AwkwardBreakfastConversations

Was...Lyriel having a nightmare last night? She kept yelling a lot...

"So..uh... Keef, do you remember the Adventure of Sir Greenheart and the Grateful Forest Nymph?"
Maeve Hassan
player, 809 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 18:15
  • msg #912

Re: OOC Discussion

"I dunno, Keef.  She sounded kinda bored.  . . . ."
Boreas Highwind
player, 766 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 18:16
  • msg #913

Re: OOC Discussion

Right, the tale of Sir Greenheart and the Grateful Forest Nymph?  Yeah this was nothing like that.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1052 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 18:54
  • msg #914

Re: OOC Discussion

That would be a pretty good perception check from four rooms away, Maeve ;-p
Maeve Hassan
player, 810 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 19:14
  • msg #915

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 914):

Whatever.  I hope that Chubbs watches you and disapproves throughout the duration of the deed just to make it extra awkward for you.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 416 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 19:17
  • msg #916

Re: OOC Discussion

I'm sure you'll be able to see for yourself from your place at the keyhole...
Maeve Hassan
player, 811 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 20:50
  • msg #917

Re: OOC Discussion

Unrelated, but you all will be pleased to know that I have mentioned the "Aeryis crew" in the acknowledgements section of my master's thesis.  Seemed only fitting to include a shout-out to the RPG in which I've been participating while writing a thesis on RPGs.
Keef
player, 605 posts
Hero in training
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 22:26
  • msg #918

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 917):

A waste of a good keyhole:  Chubbs doesn't even need to see the act to disapprove thoroughly.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1053 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 23:12
  • msg #919

Re: OOC Discussion

No, I think it was Maeve who was at the keyhole. It is as you say; Chubbs doesn't need to see to know.
Maeve Hassan
player, 812 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sun 2 Mar 2014
at 23:13
  • msg #920

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 919):

Nah, Maeve's gonna leave y'all to your thing.
DM
GM, 1204 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 01:57
  • msg #921

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 920):

We're famous!

Unrelated, clearly I've gotta do something to increase the ratio of fighting:kissing scenes.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 417 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 02:44
  • msg #922

Re: OOC Discussion

Well, the last kissing scene was also a fighting scene...
Maeve Hassan
player, 814 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 13:11
  • msg #923

Re: OOC Discussion

Of course the real question is: should my acknowledgements read "thanks also to Aaron, Chris, Magee, Ashley, Jon, and Matt" OR "thanks also to our esteemed DM and to Boreas, Zuriel, Lyriel, Keef, and Sazed?"

Right now, I'm leaning toward the latter.  Nobody cares about or reads the acknowledgements anyway.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1055 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 14:47
  • msg #924

Re: OOC Discussion

I vote for the character names. I'm also so excited that D&D characters are getting acknowledged in a master's thesis.
DM
GM, 1207 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 14:48
  • msg #925

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 924):

I think Chubbs deserves a mention as well.
Maeve Hassan
player, 815 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 14:49
  • msg #926

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 925):

Chubbs absolutely will get a mention, even though he'll think my paper is shit.
Keef
player, 606 posts
Hero in training
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 15:24
  • msg #927

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 926):

I think character names makes my sense but, YOU did the work and wrote the paper so...

What's that Chubbs?  You say you read the paper and it stinks?  Oh, you didn't BOTHER to read the paper because you KNOW it's rubbish.  Gotcha.

Seriously though, very cool, congrats on finishing!
DM
GM, 1212 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 22:49
  • msg #928

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 927):

I appreciate how much you guys like diving into the world around you. That said, anybody want to do anything else of note before you head back to Ptolmy and accept or decline a quest or two?

It sounds like Ogdoven's got the most votes atm, but Sazed, Keef, and Lyriel haven't really weighed in.
Lyriel Vesper
player, 427 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Mon 3 Mar 2014
at 23:11
  • msg #929

Re: OOC Discussion

Lyriel votes we hear more about each option before making a decision. So let's go talk to Ptolmy.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:11, Mon 03 Mar 2014.
Maeve Hassan
player, 822 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 01:27
  • msg #930

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 927):

Haha, it's funny that you think it's finished.  In reality I have a draft ready to go, and it will probably be heavily revised by the time I turn the beast in.

Anyway, here's how y'all's dedication reads:

"Further thanks goes out to the “Aeryis” crew for many excellent adventures had over the course of writing and researching this paper crew—Boreas, Zuriel, Lyriel, Keef, Sazed, our esteemed DM and, of course, Chubbs, even though he probably thinks this paper is rubbish. You all truly represent the spirit of RPGs! With love, "Maeve.""

Look for the entire paper "Role-playing games in special collections: identifying reasons for underrepresentation and potential value for researchers" coming soon to a freely available download near you!
Keef
player, 610 posts
Hero in training
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 03:35
  • msg #931

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 930):

So if Lyriel and Zuriel were 'playing chess' and then Maeve 'plays chess by herself'....
Maeve Hassan
player, 826 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 03:37
  • msg #932

Re: OOC Discussion

YES, Zuriel already made the joke.  Ha ha ha ha ha.

Oh! So speaking of Zuriel, here's a question we thought of last week.  So it's roughly early December, yes?  Does this world have a Christmas equivalent?  Some sort of mid-winter festival?  And, if so, is gift giving normally associated with it?

I guess what I'm asking is if we have to go Christmas shopping in game.
DM
GM, 1217 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 14:20
  • msg #933

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 932):

Depends where you are. There is a Winter Solstice celebration in most cultures, but the way in which it is celebrated differs greatly from place to place.
Maeve Hassan
player, 828 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 14:23
  • msg #934

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 933):

In Gaelia, we celebrate with the Feats of Strength and by putting up the customary aluminum pole.
DM
GM, 1218 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 14:41
  • msg #935

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 934):

In Drynn, it's more common to celebrate with the Grand Winter Pilfering.

Since the darkest night of the year is perfect for subterfuge, it's traditional for everyone to attempt to steal something of value from their friends and family. This is to be done subtly, and must occur after sundown on the Solstice itself.

Partying and merrymaking is had during this time, as well. The goal is to slip away from the festivities to conduct your business, and later return with no one being the wiser.

On the morning after the Solstice, "presents" consisting of the things that were stolen are distributed. These MUST be items that were stolen last night, and they MUST be revealed at the same time.

The presents are labeled in reverse, with the person who stole the gift attempting to "give" it to themselves "from" the person they stole it from.

For example, if I snuck off and stole Boreas's eye gem, I'd have to put it in a box. I'd then label it "To: DM, From: Boreas".  The unwitting gift-giver is given one chance to guess what's in the present before it's opened. If they are right, they get the item back. If they are wrong, the item now rightfully belongs to the pilfering/gift-receiving party.

No guesses are allowed if there is no matching present from the other party. For example, if Boreas failed to slip away and secure something of mine to put in a box labeled "To: Boreas, From: DM", he would forfeit the right to take a stab at reclaiming his property come morning. For this reason, it's in everyone's best interest to involve as many of their friends as possible, if only to cover their bases.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:08, Tue 04 Mar 2014.
Keef
player, 613 posts
Hero in training
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 15:33
  • msg #936

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 935):

On an unrelated note: how hard WOULD it be to steal Boreas' gem?
DM
GM, 1219 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 15:34
  • msg #937

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 936):

Extremely difficult, while he's alive.
Maeve Hassan
player, 829 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:04
  • msg #938

Re: OOC Discussion

To Maeve, from Keef.  Aw, you shouldn't have!

That box is croaking--

Shut up Keef, you still have to guess.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1064 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:11
  • msg #939

Re: OOC Discussion

Step two: Make her open the box!
DM
GM, 1222 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:12
  • msg #940

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 938):

hahaha love it.

In terms of progression, I'm willing to hand-wave through tomorrow morning once you're done piddling about the Shoppe. That said, there's no clear consensus on what the P.A.R.T.Y. does next.

Looks like the following:

Boreas: Let's go to Ogdoven and maybe do the job and maybe not.
Maeve: Let's go to Ogdoven and not do the job, and instead subvert the mission.
Keef: Let's find the other towers. The ones already built. But giants are cool, too.
Sazed: Let's think about the expected returns before we commit to an evil mission.
Zuriel: Sabotage the mission and GTFO. Sazed's right. Anyone for chess?
Lyriel: Let's buy shoes and go dancing at the Pampering Lion.

Which means I don't know how the P.A.R.T.Y. wants to proceed.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:26, Tue 04 Mar 2014.
Maeve Hassan
player, 830 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:12
  • msg #941

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 939):

That's step *three.*  Idiot.

Not to mention it'd be pretty difficult to steal that particular item. . . .
This message was last edited by the player at 16:14, Tue 04 Mar 2014.
DM
GM, 1223 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:16
  • msg #942

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 941):

Interesting thought exercise: If you were given those responses (above), no information about the characters that said them as individuals, and a prompt that said "The good-aligned party has been offered an undercover job for a probably evil organization with ulterior. Here's what they said:", what class/ethos/alignment would you assign to each?
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1066 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:18
  • msg #943

Re: OOC Discussion

That's not at all what Zuriel said! He said "let's subvert the mission immediately if we don't have a long-term plan on how to do more damage that far outweighs the aid we are rendering it undercover. This money makes me feel dirty. If we have a long-term plan, I'm alright with that as long as we don't end up helping them more than we hinder them."
This message was last edited by the player at 16:19, Tue 04 Mar 2014.
Keef
player, 615 posts
Hero in training
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:22
  • msg #944

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 943):

I agree with Zuriel, the DM is oversimplifying our arguments!

Keef also said "There's giants?" followed (probably) by "Can I see the giants?  That sounds great, have you ever seen a giant?"

Lots of subtlety there that's being cast aside methinks.
DM
GM, 1224 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:24
  • msg #945

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 944):

This is the spark notes version. Some of the subtleties will be lost.
Keef
player, 617 posts
Hero in training
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:25
  • msg #946

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 945):

More like, the whole point...





Giants
DM
GM, 1225 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 16:26
  • msg #947

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 946):

Fine.

I have edited some points.
Keef
player, 621 posts
Hero in training
Tue 4 Mar 2014
at 19:11
  • msg #948

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 947):

Further boy and toad-related activity moved to PM.

Everyone else: continue with your "plot".
Keef
player, 623 posts
Hero in training
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 03:55
  • msg #949

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 948):

holy hell!  we changed the sufferable/insufferable/mage grouping dynamic!
DM
GM, 1236 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 15:24
  • msg #950

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 949):

However temporarily :)

You've had plenty of time on the road to discuss whatever kinds of planning you might have wanted to discus. The Dominion troops mostly kept to themselves, leaving the P.A.R.T.Y. more or less alone. A'tril doesn't seem to fit in with either group, and spends most of his time by himself.
Boreas Highwind
player, 788 posts
Eye for an Eye
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 16:36
  • msg #951

Re: OOC Discussion

Looks like we've got a plan.  At least, Maeve, Zuriel, and I have come up with an idea.  Assume we discussed it in private moments along the trip, so we all know about it IC.  We'd likely fill in the rest of the party as well, which I'll let Maeve or Zuriel do, assuming they have no objections.
Maeve Hassan
player, 837 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 16:46
  • msg #952

Re: OOC Discussion

I would never want to deprive Zuriel of the opportunity to talk with others.  He can do it.
DM
GM, 1237 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 16:50
  • msg #953

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 952):

I recommend completing your mission meekly and then reporting to Mt. Salt as ordered.

Side note: I'll have to start OOC #2 soon, looks like.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:50, Wed 05 Mar 2014.
Keef
player, 630 posts
Hero in training
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 17:34
  • msg #954

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 953):

For my part, I though the posts in gibberish were wonderfully thematic and kept me from reading stuff Keef wouldn't know.  I like it from an imperfect knowledge and character-perspective standpoint too.

I liked it.

Not a complaint, just comment.
DM
GM, 1247 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 19:16
  • msg #955

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 954):

I don't intend to do away with gibberish entirely, but I have no intention of trying to translate a 1,000 word essay into Klingon, which is what Giant is.

Gotta balance theme with practicality. And what was happening is that the people who could read it did so, then said something like "Soandso explains this to the PARTY".  And then they would tell the others in person (since Maeve, Boreas, Zuriel, and Lyriel interact in person quite a bit) and leave Sazed and Keef utterly without a clue what was going on.

That was not the intention. People should be (and have been) translating and explaining.
Maeve Hassan
player, 845 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 21:57
  • msg #956

Re: OOC Discussion

http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriam...to-archives-for-pict

In so much as we have human doppelgangers, the young woman posed with a rifle on her shoulder is how I picture Maeve.  Except with a big-ass guisarme instead of a machine gun.  And not wearing camo.  And with different-colored eyes.  The hair, at least, is right.
Keef
player, 633 posts
Hero in training
Mon 10 Mar 2014
at 14:21
  • msg #957

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 956):

Oh no!  Zuriel is failing at diplomacy!

Billow cape, billow!
DM
GM, 1257 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 10 Mar 2014
at 15:41
  • msg #958

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 957):

That stupid cape... always billowing where it doesn't belong.
DM
GM, 1261 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 10 Mar 2014
at 20:38
  • msg #959

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 958):

I'm going to assume the party's good to go and move on toward happy fun times.
Keef
player, 635 posts
Hero in training
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 11:23
  • msg #960

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 959):

I think Zuriel wanted something identified?

I had the spell prepped if you want that to go off on our first day of travel.
DM
GM, 1266 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 12:18
  • msg #961

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 960):

Let me know if the disposition I've outlined is not what was intended. It might be important.
Maeve Hassan
player, 852 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 12:19
  • msg #962

Re: OOC Discussion

"It might be important."  Nice.

The disposition is, to the best of my knowledge, correct.

Keef, Zuriel wanted you to cast identify on his shield spike.  Which incidentally I'm pretty sure he purchased only because if he can't ride on a unicorn, he wants to resemble one as much as possible.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:21, Tue 11 Mar 2014.
Keef
player, 637 posts
Hero in training
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 12:59
  • msg #963

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 962):

That's what I had in mind.

So identified.

Oh wise and benevolent GM?
DM
GM, 1268 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 13:14
  • msg #964

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 963):

I'm confused. Is Keef with Zuriel or not?

As for the ID, I've sent Zuriel the specs a while back assuming you'd ID it. I hope he can post them, as I've forgotten them :P
Maeve Hassan
player, 853 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 13:20
  • msg #965

Re: OOC Discussion

Regardless of who Keef goes with, Zuriel is presumably with us given that he wouldn't let Lyriel wander off into the swamps unprotected.
Keef
player, 639 posts
Hero in training
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 17:54
  • msg #966

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 965):

Keef is with Sazed.   Had a typo in one of my posts.  Fixed now.

Also, if we're going to do a scene where there's a three-way including a horse...
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1091 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 18:03
  • msg #967

Re: OOC Discussion

Not practical, we're missing a sex ladder
Lyriel Vesper
player, 440 posts
To Heal is Divine
House Vesper
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 18:04
  • msg #968

Re: OOC Discussion

eww
Keef
player, 640 posts
Hero in training
Tue 11 Mar 2014
at 18:41
  • msg #969

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Lyriel Vesper (msg # 968):

Hmmmmm... Animate Rope, Minor Creation....

Yes, we can fix that!
DM
GM, 1270 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 01:53
  • msg #970

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 969):

I leave for one day and this is what happens?

Impressive!
Maeve Hassan
player, 857 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 13:13
  • msg #971

Re: OOC Discussion

I have thought of two scenarios for what's inside the boxes that would piss me off, and I can't tell which one would do so to a greater degree.

A) The boxes contain nothing but poisonous snakes.

B) The boxes contain nothing but magical makeup and hair accessories.
Keef
player, 641 posts
Hero in training
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 13:15
  • msg #972

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 971):

They've been sunken for a little while.

By now the snakes have applied the makeup, so it will be poisonous but ravishing snakes.
DM
GM, 1272 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 13:42
  • msg #973

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 972):

It's a DIY medusa kit.

I have every faith in you.
Keef
player, 642 posts
Hero in training
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 14:46
  • msg #974

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 973):

Woo-hoo!

The elbow snake connects to the... arm snake!
The arm snake connects to the... body snake!
DM
GM, 1276 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 15:39
  • msg #975

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Keef (msg # 974):

My impression of Team East:

"Man, where are the mages?"

"I don't know! Let's search a mile of vast swampland for them and totally not use our two-way sending magic, our one-way sending magic, or our gChat ink to ask."

"Yes, let's!"
DM
GM, 1277 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 15:41
  • msg #976

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 975):

There it is. Paladin to the rescue.
DM
GM, 1283 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 12 Mar 2014
at 19:49
  • msg #977

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 976):

To the players in the Pampered Lion side-arc: Keef, what did you do with the Everstaff before this outing?
Keef
player, 645 posts
Hero in training
Thu 13 Mar 2014
at 01:26
  • msg #978

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 977):

That's a good question...
DM
GM, 1297 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 13 Mar 2014
at 17:38
  • msg #979

Re: OOC Discussion

What stuff did you take from the mired wagon Team East found, and what stuff are you leaving behind?
Maeve Hassan
player, 871 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Thu 13 Mar 2014
at 17:39
  • msg #980

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 979):

I believe we took with us maggots (now eaten), the bearskin, and the horseshoes.  Boreas may or may not have grabbed one of the bottles.
Boreas Highwind
player, 828 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 13 Mar 2014
at 17:42
  • msg #981

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 980):

Sure, let's say Boreas wrapped one of the bottles in cloth and took it along.  Be good to see what it is.
DM
GM, 1298 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Thu 13 Mar 2014
at 17:45
  • msg #982

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 981):

Sweet. Pick a stopper material, tell me what it is, and that'll be the bottle you rescued.
Boreas Highwind
player, 831 posts
Eye for an Eye
Thu 13 Mar 2014
at 18:28
  • msg #983

Re: OOC Discussion

I'll take the copper stopper, for purposes of rhyme.
Keef
player, 657 posts
Hero in training
Fri 14 Mar 2014
at 15:41
  • msg #984

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 983):

Will be on Autofollow for the afternoon.  GM knows what Keef is up to.

But NOBODY knows what Chubbs will be up to... (hint: he disapproves).
Maeve Hassan
player, 883 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 15 Mar 2014
at 00:32
  • msg #985

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas tells me that I ought to stop calling Zuriel handsome, as it further inflates his already oversized head.  Personally, I think somebody is just jealous that we don't constantly tell him how pretty he is.
Boreas Highwind
player, 837 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 15 Mar 2014
at 00:48
  • msg #986

Re: OOC Discussion

You should.
DM
GM, 1312 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sat 15 Mar 2014
at 12:17
  • msg #987

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 986):

Everyone should be referenced in terms of the where they fall on the Chubbs Scale. Chubbs = 1 CS. Everyone else = < 1 CS.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1108 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Sat 15 Mar 2014
at 12:39
  • msg #988

Re: OOC Discussion

Boreas, you are the handsomest, prettiest, best, most rugged woodsman in the entire PARTY.

Also, Lyriel and I will be on autofollow today, as we are down in Atlanta for the L5R kotei.
Boreas Highwind
player, 838 posts
Eye for an Eye
Sat 15 Mar 2014
at 16:06
  • msg #989

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 988):

Finally, someone talking some sense around here.

Also, good luck.

Utz!
Maeve Hassan
player, 884 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Sat 15 Mar 2014
at 16:49
  • msg #990

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Boreas Highwind (msg # 989):

Maybe it's just the avatar Chris picked, but I always pictures Boreas looking like a younger Viggo Mortensen from LOTR. And Aragorn was hawt.
DM
GM, 1313 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Sun 16 Mar 2014
at 01:30
  • msg #991

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Maeve Hassan (msg # 990):

I've been on autofollow myself today. Sorry 'bout that. Tomorrow I'll be slightly more active, but as always, Monday's when the next massive update is likely to occur.
DM
GM, 1314 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 13:15
  • msg #992

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 991):

Awaiting Lyriel's response to Maeve's question before moving on.
Maeve Hassan
player, 886 posts
Eastern Warrior
Trippy Trip, Stabby Stab
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 14:18
  • msg #993

Re: OOC Discussion

If Lyriel would like to heal me, oh. . . . .29 hit points or so in addition to discoursing on elf prejudice, that would be nice too.
DM
GM, 1318 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 17:35
  • msg #994

Re: OOC Discussion

I heartily endorse interrupting Zuriel, Sazed, and Keef's period of sleep, inhibiting their spell refreshment, before being certain you'll need them.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1110 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 17:44
  • msg #995

Re: OOC Discussion

Spell refreshment happens at dawn, I don't think interrupted sleep matters, though if humans don't get 8 and elves 4, fatigue is an issue. IIRC
DM
GM, 1319 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 18:22
  • msg #996

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 995):

Drowsy Keef only prepares Magic Missile 27 times.
Boreas Highwind
player, 842 posts
Eye for an Eye
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 19:13
  • msg #997

Re: OOC Discussion

Yeah, the SRD just says "a good night's sleep" for wizards, which I wouldn't necessarily interpret as "uninterrupted."  Clerics and paladins don't care about rest to prepare their spells, according to the SRD.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1111 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 19:17
  • msg #998

Re: OOC Discussion

I mean, technically anybody on middle watch would have interrupted sleep.

Or if Wizards had to get up in the middle of the night to pee, do they still get to cast spells the next day?

Perhaps Keef should have researched Otiluke's Resilient Bladder... ;-p
DM
GM, 1320 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Mon 17 Mar 2014
at 19:40
  • msg #999

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to Zuriel Silendril (msg # 998):

Congratulations, that's next on the list of spells to research.

But yeah, seriously, wake people up or don't, then hop to the whole "investigation" bit
DM
GM, 1331 posts
Narrator
Destroyer of Worlds
Wed 19 Mar 2014
at 15:00
  • msg #1000

Re: OOC Discussion

In reply to DM (msg # 999):

Since the Large Troll is within 5 feet of Maeve, I don't think she can get two attacks off with the reach weapon. Doesn't she have to move first to be at 10 feet, thus limiting her to one attack?

Edit: make this last response good, since it'll be the last of this thread... :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:01, Wed 19 Mar 2014.
Zuriel Silendril
player, 1117 posts
Flamebringer
House Silendril
Wed 19 Mar 2014
at 15:02
  • msg #1001

Re: OOC Discussion

You can five foot step and still full attack. I think she can also attack at 5 feet anyway.
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