This thread is to discussion characters and start creation on your character. All players are asked to help with any new player joining us. Players should not discuss the setting in detail or the current campaign unless its directly part of the creation process.

Once a firm decision is made on a character it should be moved to the character sheet. I will need the name chosen so I can give you the rest of the access of RPoL's wonderful hosting tools available to us here.

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Once you have chosen a Region, House and Character Name your Discussions will be moved to that Group and you will be able to discuss more about your ideas in the House Planning thread, - So that the information can stay within your chosen group.

YOU CAN NOT PLAY EVIL CHARCTERS

 The character you create most be able to join the group as a whole or in some way. At some point players may choice to venture off for a solo or separate into more then one group. This is completely OK.

 Evil for now will be defined as characters with social disorders that they can not control their actions or loyal servants of some type to darkness or the underworld.

 I understand this is a tuff topic so we can use the open discuss thread to work on this more and I will change this post to reflex the same.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:24, Tue 01 July 2014.

So... character concepts.

I'm thinking a Hedge Knight or possible Sell Sword, depending on the nature of the group.

I know the OP in the GM's Wanted thread mentioned setting the game in the time of Ser Duncan the Tall, is that the era you're thinking of Caladin?

Also the OP mentioned more of a wandering band of "knight errants" rather than the more typical established Noble House style of ASOIAF gameplay.  Is that the direction you are thinking of running this game Caladin?

One idea I did have for the "roaming band" concept was what if we were part of or trying to form our own "Free Company" (like a budding 2nd Sons or forming the nucleus of what will develop into our own version of the Golden Company).  Of course depending on the Era, Free Companies may be more limited in their existence on Westeros (since they're more commonly encountered across the Sea among the Free Cities).

Another take on this idea (though it might move away from the typical "knight" concept) would be if we played Ironborn who were all members of the same ship's crew (Iron Island raiders... or "pirates" from the perspective of those we raid).

I will leave this up to the Player's - My ideas are not set on anyone timeline or person. BUT once we as a group have chosen then I can add the details.

I will differently be using the Noble House style, I think that what separates it for other RPGs - other then the storyline.

With the "knight errants" again that will need to be discussed as a group :)

I like both ideas, I will start to read up on both and give a few ideas of my known.

Aloha.

So, heres a basic barebones sketch of a character.

The character that springs would, in D&D, probably be of the Bard or Savant class(which I say just to help convey my intent). She's an incessant wanderer, who pokes and pries into thing. Bottomless curiosity and itchy feet. Would walk into Mordor the ruins of Valyria just to see whats there. Jack of all trades, silver tongue, knows a bit about almost everything. Pokes into ancient legends, current events, interestingly shaped trees.. Strong resonance with the trickster sage archetype. I'd also like to start with a little magic and/or the Warg thing. Lady always has a trick up her sleeve and some of them are real magic.

I'm thinking she might be one of Robert's bastards, through a camp follower during the war.

Happily, she could work in almost any sort of style of SoIaF game. When you're more trouble than a bag full of cats, all sorts of potential doors open for you. Admittedly, usually someone is trying throw you out through those doors but the point remains!

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 6):

Well I'm somewhat flexible regarding my character concept, I can adapt to whatever style of game people have in mind (and whichever Era).

I have played PCs in different Eras, so I have a variety of backgrounds/concepts I could go with (or try something new).

Usually I play knights of some type (though I have played a Braavosi dance master and a Maester before).

So AstroTurtle, any preferences on location?

Of the 7 Kingdoms, I have to admit that I'm partial towards Dorne.

I suppose The North could be interesting (though perhaps a better setting for a Night's Watch oriented game).

Another idea would be if we didn't start out on Westeros... what if we were from the Free Cities across the Sea (though I will admit that some sort of "tweaking" would be needed regarding Languages because as the standard ASOIAF RPG rules go, it is prohibitively expensive to learn even the very basics of a 2nd language).

Obviously once a location/region/kingdom is picked, then discussions about Houses will be easier (as the Region will narrow down the available Houses).

I do like Dorne. Lots of sand in Dorne. Good shorelines.

We could be a pirate crew!

Oh dude if we do a pirate crew I'm so being a drowned priest from the iron islands.

I'd prefer to be in Westeros to Essos, I just feel there is so much more background in Westeros.

We could sail the high seas, pirating and smuggling and performing exquisitely choreographed musical numbers!

I would say that most of my knowledge is Westeros, BUT I enjoy this setting so such it's not a problem for me to buckle down and read up on the rest of the world.

Also the game can start in Westeros and end up anywhere. The adventures and storyline is still very rough - all ideas so far is wonderful, I hope to incorporate into the game as we go.

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 10):

An Ironborn House would be very interesting, we could sail all over and the politics of the Isles are pretty interesting when they are at home. But the GM requested no evil characters, and since the Ironborn seem to revere pillaging and raping I think they might qualify as evil by default unless our characters were very exceptional Ironborn like Baelor Blacktyde or Rodrick Harlaw.

I would like Dorne. It seems to be the most unique region, and has the added benefit of being more accepting of women, allowing for more diverse female characters if that's what we want.

But I could certainly go with any other region.

Not sure how I feel about being "pirates," unless we're an Iron Islands house doing some reaving.

We could try smuggling? Davos did well with that.

Of course, there's going to be a fight over who ends up as Chewbacca.

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 16):

I could be Leia! Though, I think all the Seven Kingdom's princesses are accounted for.

Question for discussing eras we might play: Has everyone here read all the books?

In reply to FPSMC (msg # 14):

That's not what I exactly meant as 'evil' - but if everyone agrees to the Ironborn then I can work with it.

I'm just not interest in a detailed posting of sexually content with deep description of a rape or those types of topics.

Hmm... yeah that's true.

I generally view the Ironborn as "bad guys"... though to be fair, I'm not sure who the "good guys" are in ASOIAF.  ;)

I suppose there's really no more raping, pillaging, raiding going on with the Ironborn than there are among the other Houses (they just use "knights" like how Tywin uses The Mountain for his dirty work).


Alternatively... what if the game was set either just after or shortly after the Greyjoy Rebellion?  We could be a crew of Ironborn who refused to "bend the knee" to Robert even after Lord Greyjoy surrendered.

We would be "fugitives" (although secretly some of the Ironborn might support us) who are basically carrying on our own private guerrilla war against the Iron Throne (sort of like "The Undefeated") through raids and such.  Of course all we would own would be the clothes on our backs, the weapons in our hands, and a share of the ship we sail upon.  But perhaps when things got too hot around Westeros, we would travel across the sea to sell our "swords" as a mercenary ship (basically the nautical equivalent of a Free Company).

In reply to FPSMC (msg # 17):

I have only read the wikis and RPG books not the George R. R. Martin stuff - A Song of Ice and Fire.

Yeah that is part of the reason why I tend to be partial towards Dorne (but I too can roll with whatever region people prefer).  ;)

I've read the series.

I favor Dorne too, though a northern setting could be fine. Zombies!

Don't forget that not everyone has to be Ironborn if that's what some like. As long as you can weave a story that fits we can form a group.

 If I wanted a maritime-focused game, I'd probably try for a game/system designed with explicitly that in mind. Not that I'd mind an Ironborn house or a house of Blackwater Bay (i.e. the Velaryons), but swashbuckling adventures on the high seas aren't really what I'm after. The politicking and intrigue and dynastic conflicts are more what I'm after.

And we could certainly play ironborn who aren't raping and murdering types. An interesting option might be an ironborn house trying to repair the Islands' reputation and forge a new path for the ironborn after Harren's death, Balon's defeat or Dagon's rebellion.

But my vote is for Dorne, but I'm flexible as long as it's not a pirate/maritime game. If people want to go for Pirates of the Carribean in Westeros, you can count me out.

I'd prefer the North to Dorne, but I'm okay with either.

The problem with Ironborne politics is that Ironborn are forbidden to kill other Ironborn, so if they stay in the Iron Islands any combat-based characters are going to be really bored.

I have read the first 4 books and part of the 5th book.  I have ready the ASOIAF Wikis pretty extensively.  I am familiar with but have not actually read the "Prequels" (the Duncan the Tall & Egg stories).


That's cool with me Mustard Tiger... I have to admit that I have a small prejudice against the Ironborn (they strike me as real bastards with few redeeming qualities).  So my heart is far from "set" on playing Ironborn or pirates/raiders.

And I'm not really sure ASOIAF RPG really handles sea voyages or sea battles all that well either.

So I guess my vote joins yours (and AstroTurtle) in being in favor of Dorne.  ;)

In reply to Mustard Tiger (msg # 24):

I would agree that some game like 7th Sea would be a better pick for a swashbuckling campaign.

but I can have an adventure that takes the PCs for a short time in that direction - maybe :)

Here are some of the key ideas so far;
Knight Errants
Free Company
Iron Island raiders
Pirates
Westeros
Dorne
Fugitives of the crown
northern setting

Well there is always the possibility of being a Ward (or marrying into) Dorne from The North.

Yes iron born can't kill iron born..... Just like murder is illegal in this world but it still happens. Since Dorne is somewhat of a desert/Arabic feel to it, I may play something along the lines of a desert knight but we will need a lord and such

Hmm, given Vasuvik's early mentions of Essos, a possible campaign could be supporters of the Blackfyres in the aftermath of the First Blackfyre revolt. That could take us from mercenary fighting with Bittersteel and the Golden Company to scheming in Westeros.

let try to break this down so we can narrow this setting.

I think the comment before about which lands the players will start from should be the first question answered. unless you already have character in mind.

My character ideas can work in any of the regions, but my first vote is for Dorne, tied with the North.

Edit: I like the idea of being Blackfyre supporters, scheming to put a Blackfyre on the throne. That cause would give us a lot of focus, and could bring various characters from various regions together. Or could be Targaryen supporters after Robert's Rebellion.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:20, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

I too vote for Dorne

Check glossary and if anyone feel the description is off let me know.

Westeros

Beyond the Wall
The North
The Iron Islands
The Riverlands
The Vale of Arryn
The Westerlands
The Crownlands
The Reach
The Stormlands
Dorne

Hi all, I'll be co-DMing the mechanics side of things to begin with while Calidan finds his stride then I'll be stepping back a bit.

You will need to read and become familar with at least the quickstart rules. They also have an excel spreadsheet available on their website that makes character creation a breeze. http://greenronin.com/sifrp/20...frp_character_sh.php

As for ideas for this ruleset there are a number of different ways it can be played.

Game of Thrones: Everyone runs their own House (this is super complicated and probably doesn't lend well to our situation)

Player House: All players work together as parts of a single player created house. Not all players will be house members but vassals, sworn swords and household knights are common as well as courtiers etc. Has a good balance of Combat, Intrigue and Warfare. This is what the book suggests is the intended style of game.

Sellsword Company: This style tends to be more on the Warfare scale rather than individual charcater combat etc but can be made to work. Much less intrigue likely in these sorts of games.

Travelling Band style: Most like traditional DnD parties, go around adventuring and doing stuff except in this particular setting.

I have created a mock up of a player House that I will put into the relevant thread as well as an example of a formatted character sheet. Neither of these are concrete and are merely suggestions for the time being.

Also I should note, if we do go with the player house option, the book handles house creation as mostly random. We could specifically decide we want to be in Dorne or the North for example but mostly random generation leads to interesting innovation.

Likewise, consider that different locations in Westeros will lend themselves to different playstyles. The North have to deal with cold and wildlings and bandits whileDorne has to deal with the heat and are a mostly independent kingdom.

In reply to Mustard Tiger (msg # 33):

Well, it's a bit silly of me to raise concerns since I suggested it, but the problem with a Blackfyre/Targaryean exiles campaign is that it doesn't leave us with a lot of intermediate goals between the start of the campaign and overturning the entire government of the Seven Kingdoms. A noble House that secretly supports the Blackfyres/Targaryeans might work better.

I favor a player House. The House rules seem very interesting and I think it works best with the setting.

I guess I'd favor the North, or failing that the Riverlands (The Blackwood-Bracken feud has the convenience of being a potentially useful plot hook in any era.) But anywhere is good with me!

In reply to Caladin (msg # 32):

I usually play noble ladies. It's the roleplaying and intrigue that appeals to me the most.

If we went Dorne, the majority of the Dornish Houses (including House Martell) actually supported the Targaryens over the Blackfyre (one of the key elements of the Blackfyre rebels was that there was too much Dornish influence over the Iron Throne).

Although there was at least 1 Dornish House who (despite anti-Dorne prejudice by the rebels) ended up supporting the Blackfyres (but this was as much about defying House Martell as supporting the Blackfyres).

That said... being Targaryen supporters after Robert's Rebellion would be very much in line with Dorne (considering that House Martell blames Robert for not punishing Tywin after the Princess and her children were killed by The Mountain).

My style of GMing is heavy on the same :) the roleplaying and intrigue that appeals to me as well.

In reply to Vasuvik (msg # 40):

Yes, the Yronwoods. I admit I'm partial to them, as one of my favorite characters in a SOIAF game I'm in now is a Yronwood, but that's neither here nor there. :)

Although that brings to mind: what is the GMs' stance on canon events and characters? I'm not really a fan of canon events of characters unless they're far removed from our story, in the background, or aren't central to our story. Nothing ruins a SOIAF game like a poor rendition of a well-developed canon character.

Well FPSMC raises a good point, if we really want to delve into the intricacies of Westeros politics/scheming/intrigue... we sort of need to have a House (and one that is in "good standing").

A Free Company or band of Sell Swords may have opportunities to be a "pawn" in these games of thrones (a "tool of statecraft") but are unlikely to be allowed into the "inner circle" of noble politics.

And it should be noted that technically the Golden Company was formed after the defeat of the 1st Blackfyre Rebellion... and they have been waiting ever since for their opportunity to regain the Iron Throne.  They last got involved (historically speaking) in Westeros politics by fighting on the side of the Ninepenny Kings.

So they have had years (and generations) of working towards a goal.

And yes, my vote is also for a "Player House," with the condition that we allow characters from other regions/houses to be supporters, retainers or advisers. For example, if we're a Dornish house, I'd like to have the opportunity for people to be knights, maester, ladies, wards, etc from other regions.

I think that is fair.

Certainly there are enough ways to weave someone non-Dornish into a Dornish House.

That said, if people really want to play a different region, I'm sure there are ways to weave a Dornish character into another region's House.

The one nice thing about Dorne though is that it really does give female characters a lot more freedom.

I'm more of a hack and slash kinda guy but I appreciate the roleplay and intrigue as well. For the record, as a player I prefer the idea of a player House style game, though I would want to play as a combatant dominant character rather than an intrigue style player. FPSMC would probably want to play the first-born daughter of the player House if we went down that road.

As far as canon goes, I really think that we should steer clear of canon characters being played by players. Original characters tend to flow a lot smoother in roleplay and are easier to play without having to go and reference something all the time to make sure you are portraying them correctly. It also means that with the introduction of non-canon players things won't proceed along canon paths and be super predictable all the time.

One way to avoid dealing with "canon characters" is to set the game in a time other than what is covered in the main books.  While there are "canon historical characters", except for the Dunk & Egg prequels most of the historical canon characters have not really been fleshed out by Martin.

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 46):

There will be fighting so no worries :0

can we put to a vote some of the issues on hand?

Looks to me like the following issues need decided:

-Starting Region
-Game type (player house, free company, etc, etc)
-Starting time period

I'd recommend creating a new thread for these votes, or letting people just PM it straight to the GMs. The votes may get lost in the midst of other discussion.

-Starting Region

As GM I'm open - my vote is based on the discussion and I like the ideas for Dorne

Please use the reply to manage this vote I will keep track.
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:56, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

In reply to Caladin (msg # 50):

The setting set out in the Green Ronin Book is probably what would make most sense to me if we were to go with a House style game is:

Bran never saw Cersei/Jaime and never fell from tower. Eddard returned with Robert to King's Landing and is now Hand of the King. There is not the same level of friction between Stark and Lannister yet but this may eventually happen when Eddard learns about the 3 million dragon debt to House Lannister. If we went with this we could start play at the time of (or attending) the Hand's Tournament.

My vote as a player:
Starting Region: Randomly generated as in book
Game Type: Player House
Starting time period: As above
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:59, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

In reply to Caladin (msg # 50):

My vote...to summarize my earlier posts.

Region: Dorne
Game Type: Player house, with options for players from other houses and regions
Starting Time Period: After the reign of Aegon III (when the last dragon died), anytime up until Robert's Rebellion. I'd rather avoid events/characters from the books, and don't want the prospect of dragons looming over the story.
This message was last edited by the player at 03:00, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

Votes in Caladin, Rosslington, Mustard Tiger


Votes: 2 Region: Dorne
Votes: 1 Starting Region: Randomly generated as in book

Votes: 2 Game Type: Player house, with options for players from other houses and regions
Votes: 1 Game Type: Player House

Votes: 1 Starting Time Period: After the reign of Aegon III (when the last dragon died), anytime up until Robert's Rebellion. I'd rather avoid events/characters from the books, and don't want the prospect of dragons looming over the story.
Votes: 1 Starting time period: Based on RPG
Vote: 1 Starting time period: Open at this time
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:17, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

Hello everyone :)  I will throw up my vote, and then go about on why in a moment.

Region: Depends on the time frame.
Game Type: Player house.  The rules are more set up for everyone to be of the same house.  Another type I like and has worked before in the past with a few games I was in, was everyone was their own house, under the bannership of another.  In the case of the most successful game I played, we were banners of a House in the Westernlands.


Starting Time Period: Just before Roberts Rebellion, or Just after the Greyjoy Rebellion.



Alright, for region, I think the Stormlands, or Kings landing would be good.  Dorne would be a sound choice, however they are very... seperate, from the rest of the kingdoms.  Very independent, and while this could go for some good RP and Intrigue, very few people go to Dorne.  Kings Landing has people from everywhere, and a house from the regions surronding kings landing would be interesting.  Stormlands because so much happens there through the history.

Time period: Just before Roberts Rebellion, because it would be a time of possible turmoil.  It allows the use of the characters from the book, and gives a plotline, while allowing the group freedom to change/alter/ignore the course of history, as they struggle themselves.

Just after Greyjoys Rebellion, because it was a time of calm, but still had region squabbaling, vieing for power.  ALlot fo political manuvering happened during this time.  Again, allows the book to have little influence unless it is wanted, as it takes place well before hand.

Type: Again, I liked my games where each player has their own house, and RP's one or two characters from within that household.  This would be my prefered vote.

However, if no one is interested, all of us being of one house, would be my next vote.  That way, we all have common goals built in already, and we would need to discuss who would be head of house, and if there would be heirs, ect.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 04:17, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

Just to give the example of the style I would vote for, I will describe the RP I was in using it.


Each player made their own house, and their own lord.  I had myself and my heir.  My house was actually in ruins, as the roller was unkind to me at the time.  However, I rolled that into the story, as my house had it's lands taken, as punishment for being a dragon supporter during the Rebellion.

The plot of it, was our Lord, had died, and he had no heirs.  As such, the Lannisters took control of his lands and titles, and offered a tournament to the banner houses to see who would take it over.

So, we were all there for that purpose, each with their own reasons for wishing the lands of their former lord, each swearing fealty to their new liege Tywin.

Many things happened in the game... some battles, as it was a tournament.  But LOTS of intrigue was spread around, some made by the players some by plot.  THe diverse nature of the characters was also interesting, and how they responded and reacted to one another while being equals was also quite something to read.
This message was lightly edited by the GM at 04:17, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

In reply to Rinthor_Skymoore (msg # 55):

I like the ideas but as a vote it needs to be a little bit more clear.

so far looks like your vote is -

Region: Kings landing
Game Type: Player House
Starting Time Period: After the reign of Aegon III (when the last dragon died), anytime up until Robert's Rebellion. I'd rather avoid events/characters from the books, and don't want the prospect of dragons looming over the story.
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:09, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

Votes in (4 out of 8) Caladin, Rosslington, Mustard Tiger, Rinthor_Skymoore


Votes: 2 Starting Region: Dorne
Votes: 1 Starting Region: Randomly generated as in book
Votes: 1 Starting Region: Kings Landing

Votes: 2 Game Type: Player house, with options for players from other houses and regions
Votes: 1 Game Type: Player House
Votes: 1 Game Type: Player House Each with their own

Votes: 1 Starting Time Period: After the reign of Aegon III (when the last dragon died), anytime up until Robert's Rebellion. I'd rather avoid events/characters from the books, and don't want the prospect of dragons looming over the story.
Votes: 1 Starting time period: Based on RPG
Votes: 2 Starting time period: Just after Greyjoys Rebellion & Just before Roberts Rebellion


A vote can be changed if needed
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:25, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

Region: Kings landing
Game Type: Player House Each with their own
Starting Time Period: Could be a good one to use.

In reply to Rinthor_Skymoore (msg # 58):

updated in post # 57

MT's Votes are pretty much what I'm in favor of as well...

Dorne

Player House (with options for PCs to be from other regions as long as they're somehow connected to the main PC House)

Time Period between the death of the last Dragon and before the start of the books (Game of Thrones).  While this would allow for the Greyjoy Rebellion and Robert's Rebellion, I am also cool with excluding any time starting with Robert's Rebellion and beyond (as MT suggested).

I'm cool with mustard tigers vote.

The North

Player House (with options for PCs to be from other regions as long as they're somehow connected to the main PC House)

Time Period: Sometime with some turmoil and chaos in the realm. Near the Blackfyre revolts or relatively close to the events of the books would work well.

Votes in (7 out of 8) Caladin, Rosslington, Mustard Tiger, Rinthor_Skymoore, Vasuvik, WarynJasra, FPSMC


Votes: 4 Starting Region: Dorne
Votes: 1 Starting Region: Kings Landing
Votes: 2 Starting Region: The North

Votes: 6 Game Type: Player house, with options for players from other houses and regions (somehow connected)
Votes: 1 Game Type: Player House Each with their own

Votes: 4 Starting Time Period: After the reign of Aegon III (when the last dragon died), anytime up until Robert's Rebellion. I'd rather avoid events/characters from the books, and don't want the prospect of dragons looming over the story.
Votes: 2 Starting time period: Just after Greyjoys Rebellion & Just before Roberts Rebellion
Votes 1: Any turmoil/choatic time eg Blackfyre rebellion or near events of books

Rosslington changes vote to: The North, Player House with options for outsiders (connected somehow) and setting after AegonIII up to Robert's rebellion
A vote can be changed if needed

Unless people change their votes looks like the majority is:
Votes: 4 Starting Region: Dorne
Votes: 6 Game Type: Player house, with options for players from other houses and regions (somehow connected)
Votes: 4 Starting Time Period: After the reign of Aegon III (when the last dragon died), anytime up until Robert's Rebellion. I'd rather avoid events/characters from the books, and don't want the prospect of dragons looming over the story.

AstroTurtle to vote and people to have chance to change vote before all finalised.

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Just to clarify roles I personally feel will need to be filled in the house:

Core House
Lord: Narrator Character
Lady: Narrator Character (or dead?)
Heir: Male player character (female if in Dorne?)
Second heir?: male player character or  Narrator Character (female if in Dorne?)
Firstborn daughter?: female player character

Other House (can be sworn to or from within house)
Maester: if can afford it probably Narrator Character, could be player
Master-at-Arms: either, knightly sort of character
Master-of-the-Hunt: either, archery/huntery sort of character
Master-of-hounds: either, high animal handling, probably master of horse as well
master of horse: either, high animal handling
Other sworn swords/household knights

Outsiders
Courtiers
Suitors
Cohorts/Companions/Paramours
Petitioners
Bannermen
Wards/Hostages
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:15, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

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Using Rosslington list from post #64 player can now work on and discuss Character Concepts.

With regards to the "Player House" it will be a mix of random from the books and set by DM & Co-DM so it works with the Character Creations.

My votes!


Done,player house, any time period with zom- wights.

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 68):

The creature collection will be there so it's all good :)

Well I had an idea of being banner house, taking the landed merit and maybe running a house, or knightly order that is pledged to the main house

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 70):

If 2 players back you with character ideas then you can follow the head of house course.

The knightly order pledged to the main house you can do as well
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:04, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

Any one want to do either of those two?

Do I also need two supporting players to do the knight order?

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 73):

NO not for the knighthood.

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 72):

I would also be willing to make an NPC to fill in the gap if you get one to add to your house.

BUT it will depends on the others and what they create as I will only make one NPC that will be active with players. It has to be created last to fill in the blanks that might be needed.

This sounds cool... I like the knightly order (and/or banner house) idea.

Of course I could also play one of the "lesser" children of the main house (2nd or 3rd son, but I don't think I want to play the Heir).

Alternatively I was think maybe Master-at-Arms or Captain of the Guard or just Sworn Sword... but if WarynJasra goes with his Knightly Order idea, I would probably go with that instead.

I will probably be making a mostly martial/warrior type character with some limited intrigue abilities (most likely a knight, Ser somebody).


Note: since we're going with Dorne, it should be noted that Dorne was conquered for a short time under King Daeron I (the "young dragon") but when Daeron died Dorne went independent again.  Dorne did not really become a part of the 7 Kingdoms/Iron Throne again until Daeron II (who married a Martell Princess and who arranged for his sister to marry the Martell Prince, this Targaryen Princess was rumored to be in love with Daemon Blackfyre and vice-versa which some say was the final spark for the Blackfyre Rebellion).

So unless we go for the brief period during Daeron I's successful conquest, likely the time period we're talking about is between the original Blackfyre Rebellion (or just before it) and before Robert's Rebellion (the early reign of Aerys II, when Tywin was still the Hand?).

Hmmm.  Dorne huh?  Interesting.

Would it be possible to make my own house, and play the heir, possibly looking for a marriage alliance to the player house?  (Assuming there are daughters).

I was thinking of having a worldly type of character.

Also, just curious, are languages gonna work as they do in the core, or can we make it a bit more.. relevent?

Could we make languages free? Because in almost every game I've played or GM'd, the only time 'Do you have X language' become important was... was..

...

Gimme a few minutes to think on this.

Well, one of the methods that I had used in the past

Buy up your rank in your primary language.  FOr every dot above two, add one language. That language proficency is one dot less then the previous.

So, if you had Westrosi 5, You could have High Valerian 4, Old Tounge 3, and Pentoshi 2.

Or, the other way it was done in a game, was If you buy up your ranks, ever rank past 2, gave you another language at your language skill.  So, a person with Language 7, would be fluent in 6 languages, at skill level 7.

I mean, in order to read and write, you need a language skill of 3.  But to be highly fluent you need your languge at a 5 really, if you want to be a statesment type (At least based on the way the system seems to work).

No GM I've had ever paid attention to it

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 64):

Well, I'd probably play the firstborn daughter. In Dorne, I could  be the heir; I'm okay with being heir or not being heir.
On the other hand, if Rinthor wants to marry into the house, it would probably be best if I wasn't the heir, since marrying heir to heir would wipe out one of our houses.

As far as being an heir I ask that no one be 1st in line to a house. Other then that players are free to "Go for it".

Keep in mind that I want to keep the houses down to a max of 3 so players will need to work together and it would work best if we have 2 player houses. OR one player/lessor and one main/greater house.

The knightly order is completely open to any amount.
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:15, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

So, what're we naming our two houses? 'cause I wanna be a royal bastard!

In the legal sense, that is.

Rosslington will work with me later tonight on the player houses. The more character concepts given then more we can develop that into the house(s).

I will take name ideas now for the houses.

Either we will pick our own or go with the ideas that are given. If interested in naming the house please just submit the ideas.

FYI-reminder to change the heading of your posting - so it will be easier later to look up the stuff we are posting. Keep in mind we are already up to 112 posts and we haven't even started play. We will clean up the threads later but we are moving pretty fast so the headings will help.

BY the way I would to thank everyone's consistent interest and motivation on this and would like to say good work so far :)

Landed quality will be fun to do, Vis lets start working on that.

FYI-to manage PM's please only use your request to join for PM contact.

When we play use the private line or secret line in the treads - again to keep track of the events and actions later during the game.

In reply to Caladin (msg # 82):

Is the actual heir not played, then?

In reply to Caladin (msg # 84):

I'd like to play a bastard, either a cousin or a brother to the heir. Probably a warrior type

In reply to FPSMC (msg # 88):

The heir will be an NPC. He or She will be involved but not necessarily part of the group.

I have reason for this :)

In reply to Mustard Tiger (msg # 89):

If later you maybe interested in a seat to a house I would recommend a son not cousin.

**Of course anything is possible
This message was last edited by the GM at 19:48, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

Ok, so you're going to play a Landed Knight (a sort of banner house to the main PC house)?

I am away from my books right now so I may be limited in what I can work up (I will have more time tonight when I get home from work).

Yeah the idea is a Landed knight who uses his tower or what ever he will have as a head quarters for a knightly order.

If anyone ends up with a Maester slot in their house creation process I will be making one such Maester to add to the group as a fully functional PC.

So it sounds like so far we have:

Firstborn daughter

Bastard son

Member of another house

Maester

2 knights of a knightly order

Bastard daughter actually. And endless font of trouble.

Just to possibly tie things in even more, my knight (a member of WJ's knightly order) may be a relative (cousin?) of RS's "other House".

Or possibly a bastard of RS's Other House.

I'm not sure yet if I want to play a Bastard or not just yet.

I meant Mustard Tiger as the bastard son.

Hmm, trouble how? It gives me some ideas for the connection between our characters.

So far we have:

Firstborn daughter

Bastard son

Bastard daughter

Member of another house

Maester

Head of a knightly order

Knight in said knightly order, possibly a relative of one house.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:18, Wed 26 Feb 2014.

I am also going for the skinwalker traits. Beyond that, an emphasis on social and rogue traits.

However mighty the knight, a knife in the spine will seriously cramp his style.

King in said knightly order? What?

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 100):

I meant knight, sorry.

I don't necessarily want control of the house. Just want to play an interesting supporting character.

I just need some wiggle room on the 1st born. It's an important part of what I have in mind for the setting.

So far every thing I read looks good.

Question: Do we need to create brand new Houses from the ground up (or top down)... or can we use existing Houses from the books?  Especially if the game is set in an Era that is relatively outside the canon of the published books?

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 99):

I usually focus on social traits, though I might get stewardship and a couple of other things to help with managing the House.

In reply to Vasuvik (msg # 104):

Player house from ground up. Custom characters are less rigid and we don't have to worry about them following canon or how that character has been portrayed in the books.

In reply to FPSMC (msg # 105):

We can be social together! Makes it easier to set up backstabs.

Okay so Main House:
Lord: NPC
Lady: NPC
Heir: NPC
Firstborn Daughter: PC
Bastardborn daughter: PC
Maester: PC

Alternate house:
Lord: NPC
Heir: PC looking to marry into main House, or banner house?

Knights of the Oblong Table
Head of order: PC
Knight : PC, possible relative to Main House
Knight: PC or NPC

Others that may find ties to Main House
Skinchanger (possible Master of Horse with high animal handling??)
Wizardy type?


Does this look about right? I will begin rolling up the main House soon so I may be incommunicado.

Does anyone have any particular preferences for the Names of the House?

Can our house have beach front property? Maybe a nice harbor?

As for names, I'm open. Though you should probably make a list for us to vote on.

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 109):

I'll be rolling up the mechanics of it then we can decide what to spend stats on.

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 109):

Like that idea as well leave open the sailor type for those that expressed interest in playing ironborn

Rosslington incorporate this into the house when ready.

Just finished rolling up the stats for the player House so go check those out.

I have filled in what I think we should spend the stats on whoever these are up for discussion. If we bump Influence up enough (to 41) the status for our lord, heirs etc bumps up by one.

Each of the player who are in the House get to roll 1d6 and add to any stat they like. If we add 1 wealth we could afford a mine for +5 to house fortunes or get an Artisan for castleforged steel weapons.

There are some expenditures that are mandatory for the characters we want to play eg we have someone who wanted to play a Maester so we need to invest for that.

I rolled a five and I'm putting it in Wealth!

Hang on!

We'll all do that at the same time when we decide who is definitely in the House as what role. Otherwise I have to remember everyone's rolls and update a bajillion times.

Okie dokie lokie.

Ross, when did you want to start working on the Landed Knight House/ Order House.

WarynJasra - Banner House/Knightly Order leader.
Vasuvik - Knight in the Knightly Order

Rinthor_Skymoore second heir of minor House wants to marry into Main House (possible combo with FPSMC or another younger daughter if that is undesirable)

FPSMC -  Firstborn daughter (second heir as Caladin is NPCing the Heir)
AstroTurtle - Wants to be royal bastard, skinchanger style (could work well with master of horse/hounds/both)

Mustard Tiger - Warrior type cousin/brother/bastard brother to heir of main house
Hendell - Maester for main house

Rosslington: Will probably fill the gaps. Looks like I'd be running a hunter/archer style character as the Master-of-the-hunt for the main house.

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Are these the roles people wanted to play? If yes then we can finalize the Main house and roll their extra stats and move to character creation.

I could then work with Waryn, Vasuvik and Rinthor on their Houses/Order or if they want to amalgamate that somehow. There are some rules specifically for banner houses they need to be aware of.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 00:14, Thu 27 Feb 2014.

Once we've finalized who is where I will work with you on creating the alternate House/Order.

It might be quick and easy just to use what I've already posted for House Lenn and adjust it to suit. As a banner House there are a few things like you cannot have more influence than your Liege House and you don't roll House fortunes. The Main House rolls them and can pass on a benefit or catastrophe to the banner house however.

Those bastards!

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 117):

Yes, that role should work. Combo with Rinthor should also work.

Can I be master of ravens?

That does look like the role I had in mind.

Not entirely sure we are going to need a second Maester but there is often a spot for a 'bird friendly' person to assist in their feeding and care.  Although if the house is big enough to warrant it, or the banner house has a Maester slot I do not expect to be heavily invested in the Ravens side so there may not be to much redundancy if you specialize heavily in it.

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 114):

I've changed my mind a bit. I'd like to be the younger, trueborn brother of the current lord. So he'd be at a minimum third in line as far as succession goes, since the children have priority. It that's okay.

I'm terrible at deciding house names.

Using a random generator for house names, and came up with these:

Kolwyn
Rue
Wendane
Marstyn
Tongate
Ravenhowe

Reply to msg #119: Huzzah!?

Reply to msg #120: Awesome, will wait for Rinthor to confirm

Reply to msg #121: Sure if you meet the criteria to take it though if you go skinchanger you'll likely run out of qualities

Reply to msg #122: I doubt the banner house will need a maester but it could happen

Reply to msg #123: someone would need to add at least 2 to Influence with their 1d6 roll in order for a 3rd trueborn son to be available, should be easy enough.

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Kolwyn: 1
Rue:
Wendane:
Marstyn:
Tongate:
Ravenhowe:

Pick a house name from the list you would like for the Main House or suggest your own. My vote is for Kolwyn.

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 124):



All right. If the rolls don't work out that way I'm also cool with a bastard. Certainly not a priority for my character to be trueborn anyways.

My vote is also for Kolwyn.

I vote Rue

Heir of another house, looking to gain an alliance.

He will be a spider type character.  With some combat ability's.

Will this be acceptable?

I like Ravenhowe


For qualities since we are going to be a knight House/Order, my qualities were going to be so.

Sponsor,

Landed,

Leader of Men

Inspiring

Defensive Engineer

Draw Backs

Honor Bound,

Flaw Stealth (Like me my character will be heavy footed as all hell)

Marked

Trying to think of others. I may swap out Defensive engineer for something else.

Potential mottos for the knightly order.

"Fail with honor, than succeed by fraud."

"Brothers in arms are brothers for life."

"Without honor, victory is hollow."

"The strong survive, the noble overcome."

"Courage begins by trusting oneself."

What do you think?

Calidan has stated that he doesn't want anyone to be the heir to a house so I imagine that's a no-no. I see no reason you couldn't be second or third in line however.

Are you interested in the suggested combo with FPSMC's character or would you prefer to be chasing after a younger sibling or cousin NPC instead?

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 128):

You will need to ensure you meet the pre-requisites for the qualities but I see no problem from the outset. Will have a closer look soon.

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 129): I like "Without Honor, Victory is Hollow"

Very knightly sounding.

Voted: Rosslington, Mustard, Astro, Waryn, Vasuvik

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Kolwyn: 2
Rue: 1
Wendane:
Marstyn:
Tongate:
Ravenhowe: 2
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:32, Thu 27 Feb 2014.

Vote for House name: Ravenhowe (my second choice would be: Kolwyn)

As for Knightly mottos:

I like: "Without honor, victory is hollow." and I like: "The strong survive, the noble overcome."

Oh, that is fine then.  I could play a second son looking for a political marriage to up my house.

Kolwyn sounds like a house from dorne, so I will have to vote for that one.

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 129):

I like "Brothers in arms are brothers for life."

Need Astro and Rinthor to confirm and then we can begin character creation phase.

Waryn and Vasuvik, I will PM you about building a House/Order for you and the requirements you'll have to meet.

Rinthor I'll PM you about setting up a House.

Mustard, Hendell, FPSMC and I need to roll 1d6 to add to various stats.
I personally suggest we try to add 1 to wealth to try get a mine.

If we increase influence by at least 2 we can have Mustard be trueborn, if at least 8 we raise the statuses in the House.

As for names it looks like Kolwyn is going to win for main House so far and that RavenHowe might be favored for the Knightly Order/House?

In reply to Rinthor_Skymoore (msg # 134):

this will work and is OK - a second son looking for a political marriage to up my house.

As for names Kolwyn is a win for main House.

Knightly Order/House can be agreed upon by those in the house - RavenHowe is fine.

21:43, Today: Mustard Tiger rolled 3 using 1d6. House Roll!

That can go for Influence or Wealth as needed.

21:49, Today: FPSMC rolled 3 using 1d6. House Roll.

13:48, Today: Rosslington rolled 1 using 1d6. House roll.

If I add my 1 to wealth and you and Astro add your cumulative +8 to Influenece we meet both objectives.

FPSMC and Hendell could then add theirs where they like. I would suggest power for more troops or Lands for more lands...

New Houserule for Status has been listed in the Character Creation Thread, please read it and let me know if it makes sense to you. The reason for this houserule is to counterbalance the potential status nerf imposed by Heirs not being available as player characters.

Alright.  I got my house started I believe.  I will start to work on a character.

Did the GM's ever come up with an answer to languages?  Is it just the core?

In reply to Rinthor_Skymoore (msg # 143):

Yes, the answer for languages is:


So use the core rules for this.

Ok, sorry I missed that one.

Getting to work on my character :)

FYI - When you do character descriptions I recommend list the one you want to be known for Virtue and/or Vice, But in the character sheet list both.

If you want to be known for both that's fine as well.

05:06, Today: Hendell rolled 1 using 1d6. House roll

While an unimpressive roll it is sufficient to upgrade the cavalry to a much more useful unit of personal guard if added to power.

If there is any particular land feature that we want that 1 point can get that works too, either choice is acceptable to me.

Do houses have scribes or is it all on the Master?

Man, I just looked up House Kolwyn.  Those were amazing History Rolls (I wanted to try for another 1 or 2.. dice only gave me 2 history rolls.)

Wish I had a castle... or a hall.  I wanted an Artisan.  Oh well.  Amazing rolls good job :)

Hey house kolwyn you want to toss some of those history things your banner houses way, we could use a little push.

Who's playing the Maester? Want an assistant?


Oh, and I suppose if we need my 5 for the Influence, thats fine.

I am not entirely sure any single minor house is really big enough for two Maesters, but if you are not a full Maester and have some writing skills I imagine you could find a place, although you would likely need to have other capabilities and take on other roles as that is hardly a full time job in a minor house.

Not sure if WJ is cool with this idea (but he may be)... however the Knightly Banner House of Ravenhowe will have a Sept.

So technically our House is entitled to either a Septa or Septon.

Septas/Septons, while not Maesters, are still fairly learned and well education (often serving as tutors)... or at least that's how they strike me.

If WJ was cool with the idea, I think it could be interesting to have a PC play the Septa/Septon of House Ravenhowe.

I'm in Kolwyn, actually.

Also, the idea of me playing a Septa would be.. hilarious. I'd probably be defrocked for blasphemy 100 posts in.

My back up character idea was actually to play the main Houses Septon, who was a retired knight. Some times the shepard must defend his flock. heh.

The difference between a Measter and a normal learned man, is if they took their vows or not.

Lord Bolton didn't have a measter, but one who was trained to be one, but refused to take his vows, or lost his chain i forget which.

My house has a Sept

Some questions:
Have we decided what time period exactly we are playing?

Can Dornish use the Blood of the Andals benefit, or only Blood of the Rhoyne? They are descended from both Andals and Rhoynar...

Also, AstroTurtle, what's your relationship to the members of House Kolwyn? Because I was thinking we might have a sort of sisterly relationship.

Mother was probably a cousin of the main family. Ended up knocking boots with <insert unknown royalty>. Currently deceased.

So, a sisterly relationship is possible!

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 158):

*Hugs* Sister!

Is my lady mother still alive?

Have we decided what time period exactly we are playing?
Calidan has not yet specified (I believe he is working hard in the background) but the vote reulted in sometime between Aegon III and before Robert's rebellion

Can Dornish use the Blood of the Andals benefit, or only Blood of the Rhoyne? They are descended from both Andals and Rhoynar...You may use blood of the wildilings if you wanted, if you can roleplay a reason why that's in your family tree you can do it. Blood of Andals, Rhoynar, Valyria etc all fine

I have had more than one person be confused at charcater reation by my apparant poor explanation of the House rules regarding starting ability scores at rank 1 as well as how many qualities you will be allowed.

I am currently flat chat and about to go to a meeting so this will have to serve as a temporary explanation until I can update the Houserules to be easier to understand:

A) You may take 1 ability score at rank 1 without GM preapproval
B) You will be allowed an extra 1 on top of that with preapproval.
C) Houserule has been put in place such that you get your default quality choices as per your age and in addition you may choose to take up to 3 extra flaws/drawbacks to gain up to 3 additional destiny points which you may invest in extra qualities at character creation. These will go past the 'hard cap' laid out in the book.

Mustard Tiger, are you going to be investing in Stewardship? If not, I'm going to; as the two with the highest status, we'll probably be rolling House Fortune for Kolwyn.

Probably not. I was imagining my character more as an irresponsible, black sheep member of the family.

In reply to FPSMC (msg # 162):

You may want to see if Caladin plans for the Lord or Heir to roll house fortunes on your behalf, I don't know what road he's taking us down.

Before you roll up your character FPSMC we need to know if the influence of the House will be boosting your starting status. Likewise Mustard Tiger's Status may improve also.

I'm going to do a trawl through the posts and see who has confirmed they are spending their bonus house points on what.

AstroTurtle      5 influence confirmed
FPSMC          3 unstated
Hendell          1 power to upgrade cavalry unit to personal guard
Mustard Tiger    3 influence
Rosslington      1 wealth confirmed

Use wealth to buy mine
Use influence to make Mustard trueborn (third in line)
Lord status goes up to 6, Heir + FPSMC up to 5, Mustard up to 4.
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:45, Fri 28 Feb 2014.

5 to Influence works for me.

How do people feel about an owl for our house banner?

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 164):

I prefer that players roll stuff that directly effects their characters and leave the rest to me.

If it effect not only your character but others then I should roll.

let me know what you need.

A house must roll for a House Fortune at least one month of every three, but no more than one House Fortune roll can take place for each month

The house fortune roll affects the entire house. The lord would roll his status d6s (6d6) plus any bonus dice from stewardship specialty (then drop lowest dice = to stewardship) then finally add the house fortune modifier (currently +12)

This is then compared to the table on page 118 of the rulebook. Good fortunes are clustered more towards the high roll end and poor fortunes more closely clustered towards the low roll end.

Possible results are Disaster, Curse, Decline, Growth, Boon and Blessing.

A Boon is a fortune of considerable benefit and value to the house. Its occurrence might signify favor from a lord or the king, a windfall, a beneficial alliance, a business opportunity, or a profitable marriage. A boon should always improve one of a house’s resources by 1–6 points or two of a house’s resources by 1–3 points.

A Blessing is a minor benefit, an upturn in events that improves the house in some way. Blessings might be useful alliances, receiving an invitation to participate in a notable tournament, a visit from a powerful lord, and so on. Blessings improve one resource by 1–3 points or two resources by 1 point each.

A Growth result reflects the improvement of one or more of the house’s resources. It might result in a gift of land, a sudden swell in population, an upturn in the economy, and so on. Growth should improve one resource by 1 point.

Decline reflects a diminishing of one or more of the house’s resources. Decline reveals a shift in the house’s fortunes, such as the loss of land, the weakening of defenses, an outbreak of sickness, and other minor but unfortunate developments. Decline should reduce one resource by 1 point.

A Curse is an unfortunate downturn in events that could weaken the house in some way. Curses are significant setbacks, and they can include brigands, bad weather, blights, desertion, lawlessness, and other effects. A Curse reduces one resource by 1–3 points or two resources by 1 point.

A Disaster is an event of catastrophic proportions and sets the house back in a significant way. Examples include the outbreak of plague, the disfavor of a lord or king, the disgrace of a staunch ally, widespread lawlessness, or a combination of any of these dire events. Disaster reduces a single resource by 1–6 points or two resources by 1–3 points.

so you need a roll 6d6+12 right?

So, relative to other houses(other than the big ones like the Lannisters/Starks/Martells), we're pretty awesome yes?

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 170):

from what I see you guys are pretty diesel as a Player House

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 166):

Ooh, high status.
An owl should work well.

In reply to Caladin (msg # 169):
If he takes no specialties in stewardship: Yes

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 1):
Pretty damn boss, yes. about 10 influence away from being considered a Major House like them.

In reply to Caladin (msg # 171):
Pretty diesel? Is that an Americanism I don't get (I'm Aussie btw everyone :P) or did you autocorrect from 'decent'?

In reply to FPSMC (msg # 171):
I likey the owl. Silver owl, displayed on an tawny (orange) field?

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 173):

diesel American slag •strong, displaying physical power.

Orange works. Sort of a setting sun motif there maybe?

Its Dorne! Its a very sun centric place!


And here I thought that diesel comment was related to Vin Diesel.

Saying was actually for the Hemi Diesal Engines which were tough and strong.


Yes, you seem to have a pretty awesome player house.  Much better then mine :(

If one of the GM's would take a look at my character that I have so far, and comment/reply would be great :)  it's in the PM

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 175):

Perhaps an image of an owl swooping down (as if for a kill), backlit by a Dornish setting sun?

In reply to Mustard Tiger (msg # 177):

Works for me!

And what are the rules on starting equipment for noble members of a house? Do they still have to pay out of pocket for a sword, armor, horse, etc? Because as it stands now I won't even be able to afford a horse, which seems rather silly.

And sticking with the swooping owl motif, a few random ideas for the house motto:

"Swift and True"

"On the Hunt"

"Swift and True"
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:36, Fri 28 Feb 2014.

You most certainly do!

13:18, Today: Mustard Tiger rolled 6 using 3d6. Status Test, money.

You only rooled 3d6s but your status is now 4 due to us boosting the influence of the house. You can roll and additional 1d6 and add that to your starting coinage!

In reply to Caladin (msg # 181):

Later we can edit the colors

In reply to Caladin (msg # 181):

Ooooh pretty...

I like "Swift and True" as well, it is far more open to interpretation.

I doubt I will have anything meaningful to spend my starting wealth on so I may very well just buy multiple horses so we can have a spare or two, depending on exactly how a 10 shakes out on the wealth system.

In reply to Hendell (msg # 185):

10 gold dragons is 2100 silver stages. A fully kitted out maester's kit will cost you 1000ss and a sand steed is about 1200ss from memory. You'll obviously want nice clothes and some doodads as well.

Given that a Roundsey (lesser war trained horse) is only 50ss, Mustard will be able to afford one.

I'd have to spend an additional 40 starting XP to get to status 4, which I didn't want to do. Went with Status 3 instead, to free up those points for other abilities.

And yes, I like that emblem! With a gold/yellow/orange background I think it'd be perfect.

Character Sheets are up

Yes by 'horse' I was thinking several of the 50ss ones not the 20 times cost one for armored knights to use as extra weapons.

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 165):

Have applied all the bonus dice to house stats except for FPSMC who has a +3 yet to allocate. Can that please be a priority for you FPSMC?

I've updated some additional non-player House sneak previews in the Houses & Lands for those who are interested.

Calidan hopes to get us rolling on Sunday so I will need you all to fill in your character sheets soonish, if you haven't already, so I can double check they are in line with the houserules.

From what little Calidan has leaked to me we're in for a good time :)

the official start date is 169 - after carful reach I find this fits best for the house creation and storyline I am working on.

I request all - any and all events that happen within the timeline can be sent to me to add to the timeline. If you can try to word it as closely as you can in the style already there. Its not meant to be a complete history of the events just basic info to track the groups important events, births, deaths, and etc.

did you make this so cool can you make the others?

Yes I did make it. And sure. It took me about 30 minutes.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:50, Fri 28 Feb 2014.

OK - so let's get some Descriptions, Select Portraits, and sheets started ;)

In reply to WarynJasra (msg # 194):

excellent stuff!

Caladin, just post me a description of the houses you need them for, and I'll cook something up.

(Send it in a seperate pm so I can continuously reference it)

Btw. I'm a drafting and design major so this is actually fun and good practice.

I have already moved your sigil to the house thread 1st thing everyone will see

Coat of Arms: White sunrise upon an amaranth field.
Words: "The Night is Dark and Full of Terrors"

Coat of Arms: A yellow sun grasped in a grey gauntlet, ablaze on a crimson field
Words: "Power, Glory, Destiny"

Coat of Arms: A red crab, guardant on a field of azure.
Words: "Heed not the Omens"

when you have time :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:03, Fri 28 Feb 2014.

Some of those I may not be able to do, but I'll see what I can whip up. I did this one a little quick. not sure about the water yet. I need to fix it up a bit but I thought I'd post what I have.

Isn't that the religious refrain popular with the worshippers of the Lord of Light (R'hllor)?

In reply to Vasuvik (msg # 201):

MAY BE :)

Hmm... interesting.  ;)

Maybe now would be a good time to mention that in a prior ASOIAF game both WarynJasra and I played worshippers of the Lord of Light (he was a Red Priest of R'hllor and I was a Fiery Hand bodyguard).  ;)

In reply to Vasuvik (msg # 203):

that's pretty cool

Hey? Can I declare an entire religion as a nemesis?

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 205):

Which one?

Faith of the Seven!


I've been very naughty.

Clearly someone needs to have a nice chat with the Septa of Ravenhowe.

May the Mother offer guidance back to the path towards redemption.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:18, Fri 28 Feb 2014.

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 207):

*Gasp!* Troublesome child! Father ought to give you a spanking.

A couple questions: Is my lady mother still alive?

Have I met Rinthor's character before the events of the game?

In reply to Ashara Kolwyn (msg # 210):

it's up to you and anyone else that it matters too.

I can play it either way

 you can doesn't mean anyone will agree with you, then again you may start a following

Well, considering that they'd burn me at the stake if they ever found out what I was doing..

Then yes! They qualify as a drawback Nemesis! I'll have to come up with 95 Theses to nail to a Sept door.
This message was last edited by the player at 22:32, Fri 28 Feb 2014.

In reply to AstroTurtle (msg # 213):

Daaaad, Jadis is trying to start a religious schism again!

Bio spot 1 & 2 should be for title and position

sample
Biography pt 1  :  Master of the Hunt
Biography pt 2  :  Marked Retainer
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:47, Fri 28 Feb 2014.

Could we get a brief background/personality/bio on the current Lord Kolwyn? That might affect some of my character's background.

And is it okay if Ronan is either the Master at Arms or Master of Horse for House Kolwyn? Not sure what other position a younger brother might have at court.

Resident roguish "troublemaker" and serial marriage avoider!?  ;)

Or at least that's the role I'm considering for Ser Godfrey (younger brother of WJ's Ser Hassan Ravenhowe).  ;)

Yeah I need my name changed to Ser Hassan Ravenhowe.

In reply to Ser Godfrey Ravenhowe (msg # 217):

My, it seems we have several troublemakers for me to keep an eye on. This should be interesting.

I'LL HAVE YOU WED YET YOU SCOUNDREL!!!!

Given my choices in character creation I have a fairly wide range of actual age available for the character, much of which can be devoted to past service to House Kolwyn.

With that in mind I will ask how old the various Scions of House Kolwyn ended up and if you as their players have any particular preference for how long the Maester has been there.  Do you prefer something of a constant figure in your whole life, or something more like the younger friendlier Master who is filling in for the now departed Master with whom you were familiar as children?

Jadis is an adult and probably would've been bothering you for practical lessons constantly. Also, stealing your books.

Over my (multiple!) paramour(s)' dead body(s)!  ;)

Ashara is 19 or 20 and would be a careful, studious pupil. She wants to know about anything that would help her with running a household or House Kolwyn should it pass to her; she has a good head for numbers.

I could see good opportunities for storylines with a new or old maester. I supposed I'd prefer a Maester who'd been with the House for at least a few years.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:20, Sat 01 Mar 2014.

Mardax Kaldor, who I will become, is a pious follower of the Seven :)  Fear me :P

In reply to Ashara Kolwyn (msg # 219):

Don't worry, your overly noble, unecessarily truthful master-of-the-hunt will help you keep an eye on them. Or track them down if we lose them :S

In reply to Archibald Sand (msg # 221):

My character was gored by a boar when he was young and the House Maester healed him. He's 24 now so if you've been around that long you would have healed my character and he will probably hold you in the greatest of respect.

I can work with that.  Something like 21 years ago the then young Maester Archibald had just replaced the previous and ailing Maester.

Helps usher Ashara into the world within the first year of his service to the house, and two or three years after that fixes up the young local boy who would one day grow into the house's service as Master of the Hunt.

That puts me somewhere in the early to mid 40s, now we need a few more recent timeline features.
This message was last edited by the player at 09:38, Sat 01 Mar 2014.

Archibald Sand: Need to flesh out character sheet. Looks like you have one allocated specialty and one destiny point the could be turned into a quality (unless you intend to keep one handy which is a good idea too.)

Brindal: Needs formatting, mechanically seems sound.
Mardax Kaldor: As talked about via PM

Jadis Sand: I'm assuming you aren't middle aged so you need to remove one specialty. Your charcater sheet needs more fleshing out/fixing details but else looks mechanically sound. I don't know that there are "bigass desert wolves" in the setting. PM Calidan and sort out something appropriate. I'll stat it out after he's decided if it's not a creature from the rulebook.

Ser Godfrey Ravenhowe: Good god that is a nice looking character sheet. You need to go through and do a budget and see if you can actually afford all that impressive gear. Also, I would think you'd have a horse yes?

Everyone else: You need to get on top of your character build/sheet ASAP. Calidan wants to start on Sunday so we need you slackers (:P) to pick up the pace.

Most of you also haven't posted anything in your character descriptions either. Even if you don't know the ins and outs of your backstory yet, you should post things like gender, age, height, weight and other physical characteristics.

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 228):

"bigass desert wolves" NO that's the north, "desert dogs" YES

I'm gonna try to get my character done tonight but my debit card information was stolen and my account was swiped clean so I'm dealing with trying to get my money back and I jut got paid yesterday

In reply to Ser Hassan Ravenhowe (msg # 230):

That really sucks. I had that happen x2 and I stopped having a debit card all together just credit cards and I pay before interest. If stolen it's the banks problem :)

My Pay is required to be by check, and I do all my banking even payments online at the bank in person. all on line purchases by credit card

8+ years strong not a problem on any account.

In reply to Ser Hassan Ravenhowe (msg # 230):

Oh no! I hope things get sorted out all right!

15:22, Today: Ashara Kolwyn rolled 10 using 5d6 with rolls of 1,3,2,3,1. Status for Money.

Wow, I certain hope my luck improves during gameplay.

Clearly you need to learn to shop less, or at least more efficiently, I will add that to the list of classes.

In reply to Archibald Sand (msg # 234):

N-no shopping? But, Maester Archibald, I'll cry!

Should I get a Sand Steed, or are those only for people who need fighting mounts?

Actually Destrier's make far better fighting mounts.

The Sand Steed is a light weight high endurance mount and something of a status symbol so it would work quite well for you, although it is rather costly and not particularly worth the increased cost.

In reply to Archibald Sand (msg # 236):

That's what I'm debating. Since I rolled so terribly 6 Dragons is more than half of my money, and a palfrey is much less expensive. On the other hand, I don't really have much else to spend it on but clothing once I've bought my hunting bow and a few other minor things.

Any advice on what I should use my +3 House bonus on? Wealth could use it, as we've spent all our wealth. We could get another land holding if I spend it there (Plains, either with or without a stream), or I could use it on power to either upgrade an existing unit's training or buy a green quality unit of either Garrison, Guerrillas or Scouts.

I ride a courser with scale barding and  I myself wear scale.

I decided to be a smith, and that when he was young and working for the order he had duties other then being a squire and that was doing armor repairs along side the smith. Now he continues to smith, it is a vent for his creativity and his frustration.

That sucks hard. Real life comes first, and this is pretty major. If you don't get time to finish off your character we'll just roll with it for a little while.

I got it done except for listing my equipment and passives and all that, I bought everythig it's just written in my scratchpad.

A palfray or sand steed would be suitable, you may want to go the cheaper and have money to spend on shopping sprees.

If you add it to Power you don't need to immediately spend it. It takes power to hire mercenaries if your House wants to do some under handed things...

It would need to be more recent than that as I was gored while on my first hunt. 3 years old may be a bit young for that. How about 16 or 17 years ago? Then I'd have been 6 or 7 years old. (My father was the previous master of the hunt so I would be out there that early)

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 241):

We need money and power to get mercenaries, and I can only get one.

Should I buy a tent, or is that the sort of thing our House would provided if I go anywhere?

In reply to Ashara Kolwyn (msg # 243):

If you want a bright pink tent for yourself and your ladies in waiting you'd want to buy a pavilion. This might be good if you want to be able to slip out unnoticed to 'keep Jadis out of trouble'.

Generally I would expect that as the second-heir to the House you would be put up in suitable accommodation, possibly sharing with your sister or other noble ladies present.

I have a feeling that since Hassan is a metal smith, he probably made something to the equivalent of wedding rings for him and his wife. He's probably made little gifts for Ashara. And Probably made swords for his nephews when they came of age to begin training.

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 241):

Well, I suppose if I save the money I can always buy a Sand Steed later...  or have one bought for me as a gift *Bats her eyelashes at Mardax*

We'd need money and power to get mercenaries, and I can only add to one. Our land seems pretty small given out houses' power. On the other hand, I don't think having zero wealth on hand is a good idea. We don't want to end up borrowing a bunch of money from the Lannisters, that never ends well.

In reply to Ser Hassan Ravenhowe (msg # 245):

Oh, that's sweet.

I was always debating on say having a family that has Valyrian steel armor. I always thought that would be a cool heirloom.

In reply to Ashara Kolwyn (msg # 246):

Stick it in wealth then :D

Was just pointing out that the power doesn't need to be used right away.

I was thinking does anyone need character sheets for retainers or anyone who will be sticking around as npcs? if so I want to have full character sheets for those and PCs. This does not include any positions in the house or hiers etc. etc.

Enough Valyrian steel to make even moderate metal armor is more than a cool heirloom it is an almost unprecedented fortune in a portable format and a huge target.

Quick note I was checking sheets I noticed that not everyone has started them don't forget looking to start the opening post on Sunday night

In reply to Caladin (msg # 249):

I NEED ONE!

In reply to Caladin (msg # 251):

I'm working, I'm working!

Ok, I *think* I have all the numbers and stats entered properly. I admit to guestimatig the costs but doing all the nitpicky number crunching makes me want to stab something.

I will be doing various updates as I go.

Today has been a very busy/hectic day for me in RL, but I will try to wrap up Ser Godfrey's character sheet as soon as possible (including dealing with the cost of equipment and "balancing the books").

In reply to Brindal (msg # 252):

I'm in my country house and don't have full access to the web I will put up the sheet tomorrow when I get a chance

In reply to Jadis Sand (msg # 254):

Guesstimating is a crime punishable by death! All the information is there for you in the rulebook. Open an excel spread sheet, put in all the prices, one column for silver stags one for copper pennies. Use the =SUM(startcell:endcell) function and hey presto!

I suck with Excel :(

In reply to Brindal (msg # 259):

I gave you the formula to use at the end, all you have to do is put numbers into lists >.<

I converted my Dragons to SS for ease of use.

I just did the math in my head, excel is for complex stuff.

This made me cry with laughter. I'm a maths/IT guy so I use spreadsheets a lot. I guess for some people it's hard because they aren't used to it so I shouldn't judge. But like anything, once you know how life becomes so much simpler.

Well there are a lot of tricks and features (especially for the newer versions) for Excel but I am reasonably comfortable with the basic functions (summing up numbers and some basic formulas).

I will admit that I began creating PCs for RPGs on Excel several years ago, after I got tired of using up reams of paper to put things together (my first Excel PCs were from Shadowrun and between adding up Nuyen for gear and adding up Essence for Cyber... and then if I had to change the numbers... what a headache to do on paper).

There is actually a decent Excel character generator for ASOIAF out there on the net, although sadly it does not add up gear/equipment prices for you (though again if you use just a basic Excel spreadsheet, it really does make adding things up much easier and it easily allows one to make changes to the numbers with the calculations automatically updating to reflect the new data).

This is exactly what I mean. Anyways, gnight all.

House Kolwyn not sure if you have posted ideas for family but we will need this so I can use the right NPCs to interact with.

If you have not started who is your closest family Mother Father Brothers etc.) you should once your sheets and descriptions are done.

So I finally decided on my fighting style, I specialize in spears like many Dornishmen, but I favor the Trident and Net. My Trident will be flavored to look like the Claws/Talons of a Raven.

Oooh that trident looks pretty in my mind. Kind of all hooked and evil looking.

Which is better for smiting no believers.

But we shouldn't smite people! We must shun the nonbelievers... shunnnnnnnnnnn....

We're not magical unicorns who steal kidneys... we're smitin' men.

In reply to Ser Hassan Ravenhowe (msg # 271):

But but but, knights are kind of like unicorns right? Horsey things with something pointy sticking out in front of them?

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 272):

LOL well that depends on what's doing the pointing.

For those in house Kolwyn I need a quick list of the house hold can you please list father mother brothers and sister etc asap. I would like to have some present during intros and to greet those arriving.

Should my status be 4 or 3, because the book contradicts it's self for landed knights.

In reply to Ser Hassan Ravenhowe (msg # 275):

Rosslington can you take a look at this for me.

Your status should be 3 as you are the head of your order and their influence is rather low. As your influence increases it will increase too which is nice. Or was Ser Godfrey the head? Doesn't matter either way really, you'd both start with 3.

The rulebook is confusing at the best of times, and our houserules probably don't help :P.

*Thumbs up*

Ser Hassan Ravenhowe how's that description coming?

Completely forgotten. On it now.

For those Kaldors, just so you know. My mother was lady Rowena Kaldor younger sister of the lord. Thus making his sons my direct cousins.

Also Brindal what is your position in the house?

That would go for Ser Godfrey Ravenhowe as well (and for Ser Ahmed Ravenhowe) as Rowena would be Godfrey's (and Ahmed's) mother as well.

Our mother is still alive (sort of a dowager) but I imagine she remained behind at Raven's Roost (unless she came with Ser Hassan?).

In reply to Ser Hassan Ravenhowe (msg # 282):

I am the Bodyguard of Lord Mardax.  I am always at his side.  Also, I will be putting up my description shortly.  I forgot as well..

Sort of like a "sworn shield" (ie like the Hound's position in relation to Joffrey).

Or like Ser Pyrros's position relative to Siegfried.  ;)

More like the Hound.  Originally, I was gonna make him an Unsullied, but... the GM's didn't want me having slaves :P

Godfrey, you just asked who our cousin is bro.

Just because he's our cousin does not mean we have actually met him... or possibly we met him many years ago when he (and Godfrey) were still young.

Fair enough.

See, here I thought it was him nodding his head to Hassan, and was asking me for my name...

Or maybe Ser Godfrey got hit on the head harder by a bandit than he realized!?  ;)

But in all honesty, I was actually thinking that perhaps Godfrey (and perhaps Hassan as well) have either not seen Mardax before or it has been many years (back when they were still kids).

I suppose I should have asked first here in the OOC.


As an alternative... maybe Hassan has met Mardax before (perhaps even recently) but the last time Godfrey may have met Mardax was when Godfrey was till a very young boy (I think Mardax is younger than Godfrey).  Thus while Hassan may recognize our cousin, Godfrey would not.

Never realized I was your guys cousin....

How are we related?

You got that right, I was nodding to Hassan (acknowledging him as the "Knight of Raven's Roost") and then asking Mardax for his name (because Godfrey does recognize Mardax, it having been so long since he last saw his cousin).

Our mother, is your father's sister, 1st cousins.

Hey, that's news to me.  I wasn't aware.  Here I thought you were related to House Kolwyn through marriage.

I am all kinds of confused :(

No problem... it is something we developed with the GMs nod but it was an oversight of mine not to have mentioned it earlier.

The Mother (still alive) of Ser Hassan & Ser Godfrey (and Ser Ahmed) is the younger sister of Lord Kaldor.  So technically our mother is your aunt (thus making Mardax a 1st cousin to the 3 Ravenhowe brothers).

Our mother is Lady Rowena Ravenhowe nee Kaldor (so born Lady Rowena Kaldor).

We're both... Our Mother is a former Kaldor.

Hassan's Wife is a former Kolwyn (she is a younger sister of Lord Kolwyn, thus making her Ashara's aunt and technically making Hassan Ashara's uncle).
This message was last edited by the player at 20:06, Tue 04 Mar 2014.

Yep, totally was not aware.  Thanks for the clarification.

Now I need to somewhat change how I act to you guys :P

And I see.  So, Hassan is currently married to Kolwyn, where as your Mother is my Aunt.  Ok.  That is coming together.

I should try to write up a history of my house and post it.  Just haven't had the time.  Ill try to have one up by the weekend.

Sorry about the confusion Mardax.  The "our mother was a Kaldor" is something that just kind of evolved/developed in the House Ravenhowe PM (and the GMs did approve the idea).

But it slipped my mind that we really should have mentioned it to you as well (I do apologize, for some reason I thought you knew or maybe that the GMs had mentioned it to you).

I hope you don't feel we're stepping on your toes, we just thought it would be interesting to have a connection to House Kaldor.

I suppose I should also take this time to mention (and I was going to mention it IC in my next Godfrey post) that 1 of the members of the Raven's Claws is also a cousin to Mardax (he's actually a Kaldor):


I'm thinking Armand is a 2nd or 3rd son of one of Mardax's uncles (younger brother of Lord Kaldor).

If it was put up here, then I missed it and it was my fault.

And no harm done.  I think it is pretty cool.  Makes me less of an outsider, even though based on the map, I am way far away from you guys.

Cool, I realize we ended up springing this on you by surprise (not our intention) but I do think it will make for some interesting RP connections.

As for the distance, that would actually go a long way to explaining why perhaps we have not met more regularly before now.

Speaking of which... how old is Mardax?  Godfrey is 28.


I hope to get a new IC post up for Godfrey later today (may have to wait until I get home from work).

Mardax is 25.  Brindal is 31.

True, that could explain it.  I had worked with Ashara to have met her at a feast one time a few years ago.

Oh, as I said, no harm done.  I am sitting here thinking... of plans.  What happens if two heirs Marry?  DO the houses join, do they split their time between the houses?

In reply to Mardax Kaldor (msg # 302):

It's a tricky thing because we're in Dorne and an heir can be female. It isn't something that generally happens as marrying heir to heir isn't generally advantageous. Typically either the larger house absorbs to Smaller House or the lesser House passes to a second heir so that it doesn't get 'wiped out' so to speak. If it were to be a scenario here I would have Calidan make the call.

Marrying Heirs is almost unheard of in ASOIAF.

Yes, though I can think of a few situations where it could happen.

The lord of a powerful house marries his son/daughter to the last heir of a lesser House instead of taking to the battlefield to conquer it. The lesser House accepts because they have no hope of succeeding in all out war. This pleases people at court because no blood was shed and the problem was solved 'peacefully'.

Likewise a landed knight might marry the female heir to a lesser House so his Family holdings become a part of the House's territory.


I don't see it being something that pops up in this campaign, at least not any time soon.

Edit: I really need more sleep. My spelling and grammar is terribad today.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:49, Tue 04 Mar 2014.

Well I would think this scenario would be a distinctly Dornish problem in any case since Dorne is the only region where a legit female can be Heir.

As for what happens in Dorne, probably depends on which House is more powerful, I could see the 2nd child of the Lesser House becoming the new Heir (perhaps the Heir willing to be subsumed by her or his spouse's House willingly abdicates?).

In reply to Ser Godfrey Ravenhowe (msg # 306):

In the rest of the Seven Kingdoms a girl can be heir if a Lord or King has no sons; Stannis' is Shireen, for example.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:04, Tue 04 Mar 2014.

I was just curious because we are in Dorne.  I don't really expect it to come up since none of us are Heirs.

And I just realized... I am going to be offended at Dinner...

In reply to Mardax Kaldor (msg # 309):

Why would that be?

Im Haughty.  If Jadis Sand is seated at the table.... she is a bastard, and so... her presence will offend me.

In reply to Mardax Kaldor (msg # 311):

I thought Haughty only applied for people of a lower status than you. You're both status 3.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:04, Wed 05 Mar 2014.

You take a –1D on all Awareness tests involving Empathy. When dealing with someone beneath your station or who breaches proper conduct (such as a woman in armor, a bastard, and so on), your starting disposition must be Dislike or worse.

So, even at the same Status, I am a proper born.  She is a bastard.  To be considered equal would be a breech of proper conduct.  I don't think the women thing applies... we are Dornish.  I only made the exception for my bodyguard.. cause he is my bodyguard.  But, I would just as easily have him stand behind me the whole meal, then have him sit at the same table.

On that note, what would be a few other things that might effect that?

In reply to Mardax Kaldor (msg # 313):

Bastards aren't as poorly looked upon in Dorne either so I'd say you'd have the choice to be offended by bastards or not and then just stick to your guns.

Yup I did not because I was waiting for the list from each thinking they all agreed and know.

My error :(
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:05, Wed 05 Mar 2014.

In reply to Mardax Kaldor (msg # 300):



Yes it does make you far away but there are reason for this and there are other reason DM knowledge for the distance.

In reply to Rosslington (msg # 303):



There are 2 reason for the above not to happen 'True Love' and the heir release the title and slides into the other house. Another good reason for the distance being the land and holding are so far away the main larger house couldn't possibly defend that great distance.

This thread is to discussion characters and start creation on your character. All players are asked to help with any new player joining us. Players should not discuss the setting in detail or the current campaign unless its directly part of the creation process.

Once a firm decision is made on a character it should be moved to the character sheet. I will need the name chosen so I can give you the rest of the access of RPoL's wonderful hosting tools available to us here.

I have a HTML sheet that will be used. If you are not familiar with this I can simply do this for you (when done with your creation) and also help show you how to use HTML. Once this is done it will become finial for the duration of the character.

YOU CAN NOT PLAY EVIL CHARCTERS

The character you create most be able to join the group as a whole or in some way. At some point players may choice to venture off for a solo or separate into more then one group. This is completely OK.

Evil for now will be defined as characters with social disorders that they can not control their actions or loyal servants of some type to darkness or the underworld.

I understand this is a tuff topic so we can use the open discuss thread to work on this more and I will change this post to reflex the same.
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 01:36, Fri 02 May 2014.

Hi guys, one of the new players here.  Looking forward to gaming with you all.

Now, to the other new player(/s), are you interested in working up a new house north of Dorne to allow our GM's to flex their story-telling muscles or do you want us to just add a few chapters to the current stories?

shryke:

I'm open to either. Opening up a new house and storyline north of Dorne would work better if there's at least three or four players.

Well mate, from a look at the cast, it appears there may be one or two other new players (or perhaps they will be adding a few more).  Would you like to discuss the possibility of creating a new house and IF it is decided that we end up with not enough players to fill it, we can always create characters for the current story arcs?!

If we do create a new house, where would you like to place the house (perhaps a few comments on why you'd prefer that) OR, is there a particular region that you do not want to explore?  I am pretty much open to any area although I'd consider the North slightly more than others.  Not for the usual reasons people might have but because I have an interesting character concept that could fit in that area.

Also, what role in the new house do you think you'd prefer to play?  My initial concept (which can be adapted to almost any region) is either a bastard or low-born character who gets noticed at a young age and raised within the family holdings.  It is a loose concept which can allow me to adapt skills and such based on everyone else's roles.

Well the good news is we have 4 in less then 12 hrs and I was looking for about 6-8 players and if you guys & gals come from north of Dorne then maybe I will need another CO-DM.

Remember there is the Stormlands, The Reach etc. when I say the north it doesn't have to be 'The North'

Don't forget to read up on the events so far.

the setting starts; Year 169 after Aegon's Landing

Marriages
Prince Daeron Targaryen with Princess Myriah Martell.

To bring Dorne under the rule of House Targaryen, King Baelor the Blessed has arranged the marriage of his cousin Prince Daeron to Princess Myriah Martell of Dorne. As part of a dual marriage his own sister will wed the reigning Prince of Dorne. All the houses Martell and Targaryen have been invited to Kings Landing, for what will be the greatest celebration of all times.

for more see below;
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Hello, I'm also a new player!

The character concept I'm working on now is a scheming Pyke bastard, I haven't worked out much else about her at this point as I'd like to see how best to fit her in.

I'd be happy to play in a Dornish house, or one from `north'. Would a house of The Reach or Stormlands be less difficult to manage perhaps?

This is completely up you - if we get a few more new players tomorrow then I will allow for up to 2 houses to be made but they need to come from the same region.

Keep in mind we have a house rule your 1st character can not be the head of the house or the 1st born (this include the ladies).

What if lesser houses were being encouraged to intermarry with the Dornish, following the lead of the Targaryen and the Dornish? Some Stormlands and/or Reach houses particularly, though they may seek to offer second sons/daughters by preference.

It gives houses from different regions a reason to be allied, but due to the fresh wounds of war, it might make for some very interesting roleplaying!

What do people think about that as an option? I'd be happy to play such a daughter.

My character is currently on the prowl for a wife.

Well, that could work!

In reply to mellieb (msg # 326):

Excellent idea ash it over with the others if that's the route you all (most) agree too. We can work with that, also some houses have gaps so that there is way to weave a story to join houses by marriages and the like.

In reply to Mardax Kaldor (msg # 327):

You are such a slut - LOL JK :)

Where's your pimp, ...?

Huzzah, tacit GM approval! :)

I'd lean more towards The Reach as a region personally.

OK so Character Sheets are up and if you have trouble or not used to using graphs for PC sheet let me know I can help you.

The count is 5 new players so its one new house or join an existing house.

I can open up for a few more players but that will be up to the group as a whole (both original and new players). If everyone is on board for maybe 2 new houses then I will turn the Request for Players back on.

AS a little mental note new houses can create enemies and houses that stand against them, this includes the story why they are against/enemies as part of your houses background and character background. This is the part of the game that's almost like free forum. My CO-GM and I do have finial approval and will edit.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:22, Fri 02 May 2014.

In reply to Mardax Kaldor (msg # 327):

...
*cries*

In reply to Ashara Kolwyn (msg # 333):

Don't worry if he doesn't see your value then toss him and find another its Dorne and woman don't need men :)

mellieb:

I'd be fine coming from The Reach.

Basic concept for my character:

Wallace Justman is a hedge knight and Bravosi Swordsman. Third son of a now defunct house - he and his mother fled their house's destruction after the liege they'd pledged their banner to started a small scale war.

He returned from across the Narrow Sea about three years ago, seeking to find service as a sworn sword with a house, hopefully to find his way back to knighthood, and perhaps even to the glory required to found a new house.

Everyone reading along, any thoughts, suggestions or questions?

Awww don't cry Ashara.  Your still my first choice and if there gonna be reach girls, roses don't last long in the desert, and they are probably too high maintinence for me anyway

Hey, guys. Another new player. The character I first pitched was a knight from the reach, so I would love to be involved with a house starting there. Also, the idea of "strongly suggested" intermarriage with the Dornish definitely seems like something a decent king/council would come up with.

Well, if we're going to create a house, then who actually wants to be core members of the house, ie family versus retainer.  I know my initial concept was more of a retainer but we can't all be just retainers.

It is also possible that if most want to play retainers that only a small group or even single individual from an actual house be sent here for some reason with a few retainers and any extra retainers could join one of the existing houses, which are fairly lord or lodlike heavy at the moment.

My initial concept works best as a retainer. Kind of a Knight Errant / sworn sword concept.

Given the historical animosity between The Reach and Dorne, and given we're playing during an era when Dorne comes under the rule of the Iron Throne, the idea of a houses in the Reach and in Dorne are cross-pollinating to secure their standing and future makes a ton of sense.

Even if only one player wants to be officially from a house, there's no reason all of us new players can't be retainers to that house, and all of us sent south to Dorne (if the groups need to meet, or the action is best found in Dorne).

It's also possible that a house in the Reach could be used to generate a new set of stories for the new group, intertwined when the Dornish group comes north towards Kings Landing.

Lots of good options.

Hey everyone.
I would like to play a core member of the House. My initial concept was that of the Lord's daughter (or one of them, if mellieb would also want to play a daughter). As a lady north of Dorne, she's little more than a political pawn in her family's game. She appears to be everything a proper lady from Westeros should be (beautiful, courteous and obedient), but she's not without ambition. She'll definitely share some characteristics with Margaery Tyrell from the books and TV show.

I think Mr. Sand & Merryweather are onto something there.

I'm just going to start throwing House ideas out there, totally open to change but it gives us a starting point.

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House Garland
Realm: The Reach
Liege Lord: Lord Tyrell of Highgarden
Location: North-west of the Princes' Pass, south of Cider Hall
Home: Poppy Hall

House Crest: Wreath of red poppies upon a green field.
House Words: `Never forget'

The wealth of House Garland comes predominantly from its cultivation of herbs and flowers, particularly the poppy that adorns their crest. It is common for prospective maesters researching for their medicine or poisons links to spend time at Poppy Hall, due to the ready availability of raw materials.

Lord Ascar Garland is known as a welcoming and honorable host, and was a lynchpin in supporting the Targaryen's attempted conquests of Dorne. Poppy Hall itself had served as a hospital for many soldiers wounded at the Dornish front, with a number choosing to stay on with the house out of gratitude.

NC Lord Ascar Garland, head of house
NC Lady Garland (maybe a Tyrell or Tarly or other?)
NC Ranner Garland, house heir
PC  Garland, fourth heir (Pingo85)
PC Pella Garland, fifth heir (mellieb)
NC Aegor Garland, second heir
NC Olivar Garland, third heir

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(names chosen arbitrarily, if someone wants to be part of the family, we just slot you in)
This message was last edited by the player at 23:14, Fri 02 May 2014.

In reply to Pingo85 (msg # 341):

Oh good, that works, because I picture my character as being a slightly younger pain in the neck! :)

I am ok with about 95% of what you wrote up...my only issue is the house name.  I live near Garland, Tx and I severely dislike the city and I'm not sure I'd enjoy logging in to a game each day to see that name! LOL  I know maybe not the best of reasons but there it is! :-D