Yes it is, although it is meant to look much more like a commercial vessel.

OOC: I've just started reading the IW future history. Things make a lot more sense to me. Feels like the politics and some of the Tech in the Expanse could have been based on Traveller.

I think it is all based on traveler, some a bit more loosely than other parts.
Some of the technology is rapidly being overrun in real life, in a variety of areas, while other technologies are still well out of our grasp.
Makes it confusing when my phone will do more than some of the current game story computers and for less money.
It's a game, but can be confusing in places.

Given the Gashida deck Plan in ISW, wouldn't a Lightening class cargo ship be better?
Not sure what is bigger in the Vilani world, but maybe a sharushid?

The Gashidda,even if all rooms were doubles, would be suprnmely tight and require significant modification.

Also there is no room for all those different small craft. We are going to need to adjust the ship size. Crew should be adequate for a commercial sort of ship.
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The Terran Zheng Hi and the Karl Marx Classes look like the sort of ship we need, but the Vilani do not seem to have anythng commensurate.
They both will accomodate the multiple ships boats and have the crew space.

Or we could siamese two Gashiddas together! One on top of the other. It would only have two boat bays tho.

In reply to Cyril Zotmund (msg # 28):

There are a couple of issues with those suggestions:

1) You are going along the Vilani border, sometimes closely, sometimes distant. You do not want to be clearly identified as Terran, as you are at war, but would like to have something that could pass for Vilani. That narrows down your options to Vilani Hulls. The 2,000 dTon Sharshurid freighters may also work, but they are not able to wilderness refuel, so their presence in new world will immediately arouse suspicion. Gashiddas, by contrast, chase pirates everywhere. The Remote freighter is about the only other acceptable design, but that too would raise the question of whom you are trading with, raising the pirate idea quickly.

2)The design got the Gashidda is existent, ie it is a working design with those small craft. Vessels can have up to 20% of their displacement in small craft, or 80 dTons for a 400 dTon Gashidda.

Yes, the Traveler world has been given a lot of issues with rapidly advancing technology, as it assumed low Cyber tech, which is starting to approach Shadowrun and has in places already overrun the Traveler canon. In these situations, I am making the call that if it exists, it can exist in the game world, but if it is defined already in Canon, then I will try to run with canon. Computers do present increasing issues, as do automation...where earth is probably approaching TL9 now.

OK, I didn't follow 2) ... The Gashidda doesn't have sufficeint room for the crew of 40 in an acceptable arrangement.
The Captain is not about to have an assigned roomie and I expect the other officers will feel the same.
The Ship layout from ISW shows a single bay for a "Gig" . Not exactly sure what that is...
Now if we put some Officers cabins behind the bridge it might work.
Sick bay is taken care of, but Labs are not and where do you plan to dock all those small craft: 1x AK Modular Speeder, 2x AK APC, 2x AK Miniminer, 1x AK Modular Fuel Drone Skimmer, 1x AKHB Fighter, 1x AKHB Recovery, 1x AKHB Surveyor

The AKHB Fighter, Surveyor and Recovery are 20 ton balls (Very un-Vilani); the other six ships seem to be 6 tonners... but we are still at 96 tons of small craft. We really need a bigger ship or a reduced misson component.  Why 2 APCs? We don't have any troops to deploy, so it's just a truck. The Speeder might be more useful than either APC.

So if we take it down to 1x AK Modular Speeder,  1x AK Miniminer, 1x AK Modular Fuel Drone Skimmer, 1x AKHB Fighter, 1x AKHB Recovery, 1x AKHB Surveyor we are now at 78 tons of small craft.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 30):

The Gashidda has sufficient room for a crew of 40. You are arguing that that the Terran Military, which normally houses all low ranked sailors in Bunks, does not have sufficient accommodation when only a few (< 25%) have to share a bunkroom? State rooms can be small individual cabins, or larger shared. They are normal officer accommodation for Terran Officers.

The layout will be significantly different from the standard shown. It also has no Vatfacs...

4x 6 dTon Modular Craft, 2x 20 dTon Modular Craft, by my calculations that is 64 dTons. Check players Vessels for details...not sure where you got 96 dTons from, but you would not have space even for 78 dTons. One of the APCs has been replaced by one with a Lab, the other is in case you find some hostile natives and need to extract your folk. But your call, I could replace both with the lab version, of have one with a sickbay and possibly a workshop. Or a speeder...

OOC: I'm still very interested in this game but will wiat for you folks to hash out the tech details of the ship design. (It's not that I'm uninterested just don't know enough about it to contribute meaningfully).
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In reply to Fate (msg # 31):

It appears I copied the ships from Msg 9. about a Shamshir ... OK so squeezing into a Gashidda. Perhaps an extra cargo area can be added above the Bridge/cargo area or below the lower engie room.

OK, so we push two cabins into a bunk room for 6-9, two of these remove 4 cabins but sleep 12-18 crew.
16 Cabins left- 12 for the ships officers and petty officers and 4 for the Scientific crew.
That likely works.
Captain -                 2 cabins, sleeping and office.
Officers                   3 Single Cabins
Warrent officers     2 Single  Cabins
Petty Officers         4 Cabins Shared.
Medics                     1 Cabin Shared.

Scientific Crew       2 shared and 1 bunk room

*IF* w put the Captains quarters up behind the bridge with a sleeping area and an office. the two Cabins she would otherwise use could be used for  bunkroom for a Fire Team of Marines. which would add 6 to the crew ... could that be sustained? That makes boarding and counter boarding asan option and gives Brutus something to command. I assume Brutus will be at least a Petty officer, possiblya warrent officer or Lt.

1 APC, One modified APC w/ a Lab; 1 Mini=miner, 1 Fuel Skimmer, and the two 20 craft (1x AKHB Recovery, 1x AKHB Surveyor). 64 tons of small craft.

Do male and female crew sleep together in the same bunkroom? should we add a midewife and day care facility?

Would Brutus be Army? Or Marine? Or Navy?
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In reply to Brutus Cartwright (msg # 34):

Brutus would likely be Navy or Marine.

Navy then: Master Chief

Welcome aboard Chief.

"Master Chief, if you please," he replies.

LoL... not in my Navy... all Chiefs are addressed informally as Chief. All Marine equivalents are addressed informally as Gunny (Gunnery Sergeant). Like with the other ranks, stipulating a specific rank means it is a formal situation or they are in trouble.

No Clue what the Air farce does, but the Army is the only one to specify Platoon Sergeant, Master Sergeant, First Sergeant (First Shirt behind his back) and Sergeant Major.

Likewise all Lieutentants (in the Army, Air farce and Marines) are just Lieutenant, not First Lieutenant or Second Lieutenant except in formal situations . In the Navy the ranks are differentiated (Ensign, Lt JG, Lt, Lt Cdr etc.)

For Colonels, normal use is just Colonel, calling a Lieutenant Colonel as such is either very formal  (like on orders for movement, assignment or promotion) or slightly insulting, as if you are taking down to him/her.

There is more, but I won't bore you, however "Welcome Chief" is proper informal language. "Welcome Master Chief Cartwright" should have you on edge.

Oh, one other Navy tradition... The ships captain, whether a Captain or other rank, is always "Captain xxx" or informally "Skipper" but not to his face.

Gloria Flake
Captain, Terran Navy
Commanding.
;-)

I blame Wiki

Well we can have Blue Dwarf detail how it's done in the RAN...

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In reply to Bonny Taching (msg # 42):

Cheif is formally a Chief Petty Officer, and as a senior sailor is well respected, but still not an officer. Commanding officer is called as such, regardless of rank, but only called a captain if they have four stripes or rings. Rank 4 is senior officer, commander or captain in navy or Leut. Col or full Col in the Army. Rank 5 and above do not adventure without a fleet of serious warships.

We Americans are less stuffy with names and more stuffy with relationships ...  Fraternazation is a big deal now and has been far more restrictive in the past in the US Military, while the Commonwealth has handled it with a good deal more grace and realistic views. I am assuming the terran Services have learned from this.

WW2 found some amazing cooperation, as Americans could smoke, but not have alcohol of any sort, while Commonwealth troops could have alcohol in controlled amounts but no tobacco.
Seems some interesting arrangements were made around these availabilities and limitations.

But Captain Flake will not be making eyes at Chief Cartwright or allowing any sort of open relationship between them, that is the unforgivable sin. If they need to confer about ships discipline (Cartwright is the head of the "police" aboard ship) in private, that's OK.

In reply to Gloria Flake (msg # 44):

Yeah, in theory Commonwealth forces also do not allow relationships, but in practice this has only been enforced when it caused problems.

So if Mr Cartwright is chief of police does that mean Brutus needs to find another job?

In reply to Brutus Cartwright (msg # 46):

Does he have multiple personalities? Otherwise, not necessarily. But he should be busy pretty much all the time doing something. Security strikes me as a never ending job though...

lol I hope not! One is enough to manage.
I was thinking that on a ship, chief of police = head of security.
Is that wrong?