Cost would be more for a panther, and it's slower making it easier to trap and kill.

The slower speed of the Panther is why I didn't suggest slotting it in that.  Just like tossing it in a Blackjack or Hatchetman or Hunchback.  Too slow.  The C3 Master is the key to the entire network.  You block that all the slaves are useless in communication.  It'll take at least another 12 years before C3i rolls around and the issue is taken care of some, or just over 20 before Emergency Masters and Boosted Masters pop up.

With enough Tinker you might be able to core out a Javelin by removing it's Jump Jets and some of it's weapons to slot a C3 but then it would move 6/9/0 and once again be vulnerable in ways that a 5/8/5 Valkyrie wouldn't be because of it's jump jets.

You could do it with a Mirage, but not at start.  It would be a work in progress tossing in Endo, ripping out heat sinks and machineguns/small lasers.  Problem is it would be a 6/9/6 with (2) Mediums and a C3 Master.

Even the 3050 Valkyrie could do better with 5/8/5 a Pulse Medium and (2) Regular or ER Mediums depending on funds/acquisition rolls.

I'm presuming youre talking conjecture for yourself, because, as noted, the Master i offer is in a 3025 valkyrie, a straight swap, of LRM 10 for the C3 master, and probably a Medium laser to replace the LRM ammo.

Period.  This is not open for negotiations, beyond a selection of the above mech or a Pegasus Hover Tank.  It's an NPC unit, and i'm not doing a lot of bookkeeping on NPCs.

Correct.

Anything beyond base mod on a Valkyrie or Pegasus is all my talking conjecture for my pilot doing the mods on a mech and getting the other advanced tech.

Keep in mind you're going to be shy 900k cb for C3 equipment, if you want to mount it on a Valkyrie.

Even with a Tech warrior, 3.5 million less 900k cb is only 2.6 million CB, to buy your mech and make mods, which includes installing the C3 slave.

yeah... you can get a javelin, and install the slave but you wont have much money for anything else.

Mikael, Teri, do you have new character names you want to submit for use?

I'm starting bookkeeping of the Cavalry company.

Teri will command the second Lance.

Mikael will command the third Lance.

 Mikael is fine with me for the platoon's commanders name.

Cavalry Archetype is up.

You purchase your Command unit ride, the rest of your lance, you can pick and ignore the price tag.

Your NPC lance, starts with a quality of Regular.  Replacements will be Green, and may be in smaller Tanks, so it's in your interest to try and keep your NPCs alive.

Let me know if you need help with your characters.  Got much posted today, but i'm sure i forgot stuff, like the names of the perks for Cavalry.  (I have to look those up again)  If you see one that you like point to it, and i'll look up what they're called.
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:39, Fri 04 Mar 2016.

Curious...

When it comes to Advanced Tech is it still going to be just as hard as it used to be or since it is so close to 3050 will it be much easier to acquire?  Which of course bleeds into going after a 3050 mech and the rolls to acquire them as a ride.

As an example the Valkyrie VLK-QD has Endo, Ferro, CASE, Artemis IV and a Pulse Laser.  Under the old it would be a Base TN6 + Variant 2 + Ferro 3 + Endo 4 + Artemis IV 1 + CASE 1 + Pulse Medium 1 = TN18

Virtually impossible unless you really play the options to get maximum bonuses.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:58, Fri 04 Mar 2016.

Just as hard, but the tech you get will be real Endo and ferro, the Beta stuff is all gone by now.

Old rules regarding double strength heat sinks will stand.  All heat sinks in the Engine are Single.  You are limited to only (4) DS/HS as outlined by old rules.  Hoff Heat sinks have been phased out and no longer exist.

Power Loaders no longer exist and are curious relics that can no longer be supported.

Omni weapons continue to exist (the ballistic weapons and munitions and what not)

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When they come around, Clan heat sinks will be likewise limited.  The 10 Heat Sinks gained from the engine are all single, additional heat sinks are allowed to be double, and they are not limited to (4) DS/HS.

Plugsuits?  More curio relic or something that might pop up as a special reward?

Also David...

It's getting hard to do something good with C3 at the start.  I worked it a number of different ways but there is no clean way of doing it...as Kiten noted it's real messy without a proper platform and we are cash short, or if not cash short xp short to take advantage of it.  We may want to pick decent units and work on modding towards a C3 unit and 'buying' the Pegasus down the road by splitting the cost of that.  Then people who want in on it will pick up their own C3 slave units and then we can drop the big cost later.  Lets the two of us know who is serious or not.

Unless you do something obscene like take Lyran Minded to hop in a Panther, which is just sickness in my mind, and not the good kind ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 22:06, Fri 04 Mar 2016.

Really, imho, if you do it, you do it now. From the get go.  When you have a huge wad of cash (starting cash?) in your pocket, and no one anything set in stone, so you can either do it, and plan for it that way, or just give up on the concept and move on because if you cant coordinate it now, you wont get it later.

If youre going to settle for it on a Pegasus platform do it now?

It's 750k cb to buy into the network for three players.

Tech warriors get 3.5 million to start with, which leaves them with 2.75 million.

you can pick up a Valkyrie and have cash for mods or a Fire Javelin and be cash tight, but a baby Jenner.  Maybe even a Panther, i'm not sure i havent checked the price, but they're pretty affordable.

waiting to do this later... is like planning to get Accuracy 4 later, and settling for 3 at the start.  Sure... you can do it, but it means every xp you earn has to go towards it, meaning no growth.  Easier to get the Accuracy 4 now and pick up the small stuff later as you go along.  Same theory with the tech and hardware.

A good point as most would feel like it was too slow of an advancement post starting, but you are talking to the person who dropped almost a million on a huge ass autocannon on a long term project that never made it to fruition.

Hmm...

That gives me an idea for direction if we do this.  750k will cover the hardware, we'll still need to toss in somewhere between 50k (20 ton mech) to 87.5k (35 ton mech) which doesn't seem like much till you get down in the weeds after blowing 750k on tech instead of potentially option adds.

Question then will also be are the rules of not duplicating advanced tech rolls at start still in play for stuff like multiple pick-ups of Endo to open up the space for the C3 slave?

Well it would be 750k 3 ways.

If youre going to do this with four player mechs, it would be 2.25 split four ways which would be 512,500 cb each, and some sap gets stuck with a five ton, five crit dead weight piece of really expensive tech to defend.

not the way i would do it mind you.  Even on a valkyrie, that leaves you with a medium laser and only one free ton for more weapons.

Only way to do it on a Valk with a player is run acqusitition through the roof to do it on a 3050 Valk.  That'll leave you with 2.5 tons and a Medium Pulse as combat weapons.

Still the +2 variant added to the acquisition makes it nigh impossible to get any of the 3050 mechs even when within cost capability as most have both endo and ferro bumping the number up to +9 right off the bat.

Even the 3050/2750 Mongoose is a prohibitive TN17+
This message was last edited by the player at 04:38, Sat 05 Mar 2016.

hence, the logic of a three man lance and an NPC master.

Looks like almost all the older players that were still around at the end have moved over to the new campaign, including Arkarian, and hopefully Piotr eventually too.

By my count, that's six active players (counting myself), plus two planned reserves (Akarian and Piotr)


That leaves 12 empty seats, which is fine, cause i dont expect, or maybe even want... all the seats filled just yet.

Still going to wait on putting an open call out on the game, i want all you guys settled so i dont have to deal with your paper work before i do that, and i want to see how serious you peeps are about the C3 lance, and if so, how you want to go about it.

You know... Tech warriors is the obvious way to do it, but Bug warriors arent impossible either?

They start with 2.5 million, less 3/4 of a million they're down to 1.75 million.
That's enough for most 20 tonners with a little bit left over for modifications.

yeah... you're in a 20 tonner, extra option slot and 50 xp are good incentive for that too.  If youre doing a C3 with a Tech warrior youre going to be between 25 and 30 tons anyway.  At that point you have to ask yourself, if the extra five or ten tons you would get as a techwarrior are worth the option slot and xp you would get if you went the bug route.

Obviously... you're never going to fight a master on one of these, but a slave would fit fine.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:32, Sat 05 Mar 2016.

The advantage of the techwarrior is that when a lucky hit does come across and destroys the slave they have a high enough acquisition bonus to make getting a replacement possible.

just pointing at options, i dont judge good bad as much.  Personally i think the master c3 on a cheap peg is great, but you peeps want to load it on an expensive valk, or worse saddle it on a player mech.

I was just saying that it was possible to slot on a mech and possibly be part of a story background reason for it.  As I pointed out as well, it's a messy conversion because of the more limited mech options which I know is part of the story.

What we need is at this point is knowledge on is if anyone else besides David and myself are considering the whole C3 system.

Important because...

If it's three we'll definitely go the Pegasus route.

If it's four then I will need to seriously play the mod route to royally jack up things for a PC C3 Master on a 3050 Valk that I think could have both the C3 Master as well as a Pulse Medium and 2.5 more tons of weapons.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:21, Sat 05 Mar 2016.

Slots.

First come first serve.  If you're short,it'll be another NPC. No great issue.

I am sure you will find a third or I would float the concept and then it will be closed if there is really strong interest. I will float another three mech lance for it.

Ahhh right.

Well then David.  If you want to go that route and you've got a good idea to float that cost then I'll actually run with an older and wiser Lina.  Having lost her home she became a advanced tech black market agent who knows who to talk to about getting rare and exotic tech.  Over the years she moved as far away from the Taurian bastards that ruined her life and her family and settled in what would be the new Rasalhague Republic.  With their needs and her contacts she joined their forces in the hopes of helping a different group of people keep their home when she failed to help her own.  Her mech is variable but she will be a Techwarrior to gain almost as much acquisition bonus as possible.  Likely a Missile Spec to have some combat capability.

If not then I will have a much older Luc in a slightly modified Whitworth who stripped out the arm lasers and a bit of armour to add hands to the maligned beast and upgraded her engine so she moves 5/8/4 now with dual LRM10's and a single Medium Laser as long range faster moving fire support.  Also a Missile Spec, and has some rank/mental but will end up leaving someone in the cold when it comes to command in a lance since he's not a leader just a noble.

If no one wants to be lance lead/company lead then I'll need to do a little re-jiggering so that we don't get hammered in initiative and make a brand new RR leader...cause often I find myself in the position ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 01:00, Sun 06 Mar 2016.

Try and keep mods to a minimum guys, it's a pain to bookkeep the stuff, not to mention double check the math, and engine calculations are among the worst to track and bookkeep, cause god forbid you ever sell the mech, the calculations are all fouled up and you have to count everything up from scratch cause it's effectively a new mech.

I'm interested in filling out one of the Infantry Commanders

If I'm doing the Luc version with the Whitworth I'm never going to sell it, and since it's an upgrade rather than a downgrade your own notes say that it doesn't change the value of the mech.  Only if you slow them down does it.  It's very tempting since I can hit that 5/8 sweet spot that 40 ton mechs can do and it doesn't give up much in the way of firepower to do it at start.  It's a solid XO sorta mech to lay down support fire as evidenced from Olaf's days of using it.  Also could later install a C3 slave easily to maximize the LRM reign of death...just not at start which was why I mentioned that angle...but I'm very patient when needed.