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For a bit of an off-topic discussion...

Do you guys think one of Halo's Spartan IIs or a Space Marine would win in 1v1 combat?

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No sir, of course not sir.

Space Marine.

Spartan II's are like if you went maybe a third or half-way in the gene-engineering area and then melded them to light power armour that had the refractor field from terminator armour and then gave them Autoguns, hand cannons, sniper rifles and autopistols.

While it's true the Space Marine is more heavily armored, the Spartan has the advantage of speed. Going through various research, the Spartan II can easily outclock a Space Marine, reaching sprinting speeds of about 35mph. I think if a Spartan II could get behind a Space Marine, it's GAME OVER for the Astartes.

I'll mostly agree, though, that at range a Space Marine would win.

Well a Gretchen with a krak grenade could kill a Spartan II if he got behind him.

But I'd say at least four out of five times the Marine is gonna win.

Too true XD

See: Suicide Grunts.

I dunno, there's that little matter of Space Marines choosing to go helmless, and headshots are a bitch to shake off.

That being said, in the fluff SMs are definitely engineered to be far stronger than a Spartan (unarmored, at least).  There's that small matter of rigid adherence to the Codex, though, which a decent Spartan *should* be able to leverage for great effect (see above).

It would definitely depend on the chapter in question as well, due to all the varying styles of combat. Fighting a Raven Guard marine would be very different from fighting a Dark Angel.

As would fighting the specific type of Space Marine.

If it's a 1 on 1 with a Librarian that Spartan die every time.

Er...Sawbones..."the last of the hormagaunts" is only the one squad...you still had the whole other squad assault your position and so you have a hit to dodge or parry yourself, and then a pair of horms is also engaged with you! Yikes.

It's all in the OOC of the last round. :)

I'll get up early before work and update things, no problem.

Lots of stuff, got confused for a quick post, I was trying to slide in.  That said, the suppression fire would be on a TN 5 (BS 40-20SF-20melee+5comrade) so I still hit, they still need to take the check for pinning.  If they fail, they would have to disengage and flee to cover. Oggie eats the hit from the previous round for 1 wound.

AC, if I fire Danger Close, is there a way to hit far enough away from our squad but still within the fire bombs' Blast range to hit the 'nids in melee?

The hormagaunts aren't being suppressed while they are already in melee from the round before, and the termagents were in the process of being destroyed by Ramirez, so there weren't really any other viable targets. Yes, your TN5 is still positive so if the other terms with spike rifles were still around Id have had you aim/suppress them instead, once things got to your initiative. :)



I am inclined to believe that melee is a dance of death, flowing and shifting. My first instinct is to say that the Horm gets a dodge and if it succeeds, it can try to make a maneuver to see the blast and put the opponent in the radius of fire, so then the soldier needs to make a dodge test to avoid it as well. Might be better off [given their almost 50-50 dodge] that you choose something else to do until such time as Fire Base Gloria is being overrun for reals. ;)

I think Zilch would like some assistance in keeping his oh-so-pretty face intact.

Preferably not by melting it off and replacing it with a metal mask...

...if he even survives it.

I could change my targets to Zilch's horms if the GM is OK with it.

You are free to edit the post until I start making rolls for the enemy. Jansen can probably handle himself with two parries per round anyway. If you keep things the way they are, he will likely have a moment of indecision then choose to help Zilch [a medic] who can then help Brick if things go south while he's away. :)

Personally I'd say clear off the Commissar.  I'm rolling crap and have crap for weapons...

But I have a shield and can parry so I can soak up attackers.  Just not Genestealers ;)

Clearing off the combat capable ones helps everyone...
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Well, if we can all survive the round, next turn I'll have the chance to Aim which makes it damn near impossible for me to miss unless I roll a 99 or 100. Also, having peeked a wee bit to the Deathwatch stats for Horms, I realized that the lasgun was better than the Krak launcher. I get more hits a round and a Horm's AP and Toughness isn't nearly as high as I thought it was.

Just read everything I could find regarding suppression fire and pinning.  It would appear within the rules that I could have suppression fired against the 2 (at least) that were engaging me.  One was hit, both need to take pinning checks.

Page 255 "A character engaged in melee automatically escapes pinning." So if you had disengage and fired, you'd be at point blank range and not in melee, and thus it would work. It's a strange wording: 'escape pinning' suggests that you can fire at something in melee with you and force it to flee or take cover, then charge it and it auto-rallies, but that's contrary to several things in the design/concept of the game, I think.

Also, there's the issue of the 45 degree arc of fire that you'd be covering. Without disengaging, you won't be able to hit both of them with the single cone AoE.

But, I can also see an argument for your comrade engaging one and you the other, so you could possibly maneuver to catch both in the cone, but that would also open up your partner to the AoE.

So for this time, I'll roll WP for one of the two, but I don't expect it to flee; it will just be reduced to a single half-action on its turn [preventing the Swift Attack Option] and then auto-escape from pinning at the end of its turn if still in melee. Next round if you want to suppress them both just word your maneuvering such that everything is in the cone AoE and we'll work out the targeting. Does this sound reasonable?

Escapes Pinning is a curious use of words.  I was reading the last two sentences together, but they are distinct.  I now know to disengage then suppress if that's the route you're leaning towards.