Oh, I've already had my turn. I currently act "last" among players, and have technically already done my thing. The "price" of winning initiative.

Your turn will come up again after the rest of us, since the round will cycle back to you at that point.

Technically, our order is Nezumi -> Grock -> Rynoth -> Khalid -> Jhartael, although with us all acting in a block there's nothing to stop us from shifting that order around with delays.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:22, Wed 26 Oct 2022.

I'm currently waiting for a clarification on whether or not the Berserker had attacked me rather than Jhaartael due to it's forced movement into melee with me before I take my turn.

It would then go for you yes - If moved beforehand it will not recharge Jhaartael - that would be illogical for it.

Then it is attacking Nezumi. Hmm. Honestly, all of its choices are bad at that junction, but hey.

I'm gonna play off-tank for a bit here so everyone else can focus on the Warder. In character we may not know about it's defending property but we also have no reason to let the two get close to each other.

In reply to Nezumi (msg # 36):

Why not say we do know in-character? Maybe it's obvious in some way. I don't think it's meant to be a trick in-game.

The party has fought one already IIRC (although only Grock is left from among that group), and Rynoth spent some time dealing with the Mages, in addition to his Arcana-scholar background, so it's reasonable to suppose that we do know about their traits.

In reply to Rynoth (msg # 38):

It's even more reasonable than that. For one thing, there's nothing that requires such effects to be invisible and mysterious. It might be plain as day that the effect is there and what it does. The DM didn't provide that description, but the information is out there, and us just knowing about it doesn't actually provide us any automatic benefit.

Furthermore, the way we take turns attacking, and make only one attack per turn are pure abstractions, and even a harsh word or severe look in 4th Edition can do damage (which of course is also an abstraction), so almost any amount of unfriendly interaction with Paldemar could reveal that there's something supporting him (though they're not close enough yet for the effect to work).

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Khalid's not really the "pin it in the doorway" kind of defender, but he'll do his best.

I'll decline to use fade away if the warder hits him, because it would only occur after both attacks, and I don't want to escape since all Khalid can do to "pin" it is get in its way.

Now, I have not healed Nezumi, taken a surge from her, given her THP, and I haven't moved Khalid on the map. I did move myself, though. So, those will need to be done.

Edit: And again, unless something is penalizing their Reflex or boosting my attack, I missed, sadly. Unluck is a damn good one, too.
This message was last edited by the player at 08:41, Sun 30 Oct 2022.

I did wind up using fade away. Paldemar is also under my aegis now, thanks to swordmage's decree. This gets a little complicated then: DM can choose which attacks first. If he attacks with the warder first and hits, Khalid will teleport and attack the warder. At least for now, since he can't see Paldemar anyway.

It's interesting: if Paldemar were to hide from Khalid while under the aegis, Khalid could still teleport adjacent to him. He could then make an attack... except he wouldn't actually know which square to target. Have I mentioned I hate the Stealth rules?
This message was lightly edited by the player at 05:55, Wed 02 Nov 2022.

If he was next to Paldemar then cover/concealment would most likely be broken, so no guessing would be necessary.

The main issue would be the invisibility effect that Paldemar can produce, but if he doesn't already have it going (he does right now, unfortunately) then he wouldn't be able to apply that to Khalid in that case (since he can't use his triggered powers on his own turn).
This message was last edited by the player at 05:01, Wed 02 Nov 2022.

Was I supposed to roll for his interrupt myself? I assumed the GM would do that and reverse amy damage that shouldn't have happened. Especially since just like us monsters only have one Immediate per round...

Alright, so check this out, as someone who devoted a lot of time into learning about the Hidden Condition, which has more than one meaning when I say it like that, and I will immediately ruin the joke.

Hidden as in "it is the condition known as Hidden."
And Hidden as in "this is not expressly described in the books, and is 'the Hidden Condition.'"

So unless Paldamar straight up does a Stealth check - which will mean nothing unless he can hide from the entire party, which now that combat has been joined would require some extraordinary steps I do not believe he is willing to take - you will know what square he is in and which one to strike. You will still have a total concealment penalty to strike him, but you won't have to play the guessing game at this point.

Also, if he attacks with the warder and whiffs, I will slide you out of its reach if I can. Unfortunately, this will not grant you the Hidden Condition either, even if you are under Total Concealment and teleport. Becoming Hidden is generally quite deliberate and surprisingly hard to do mid-combat.

In reply to Nezumi (msg # 43):

It's rather complicated, unless we want to wait for the DM to pass every time. I'd do pretty much the same if he'd used the interrupt on you, so it's probably not impossible to figure out.


Sorry, yes, I was assuming becoming hidden while also invisible,


I know, but the way the aegis works is still interesting. IF he were invisible and hidden, I could still teleport adjacent to him. Actually, the DM would have to tell me into which eight squares I could teleport, basically telling me his square.


Khalid? He's not invisible at this point and doesn't have a way to be. I wouldn't want to be hidden anyway, as I hate that condition in combat.

Just to align. PLuck the minds eye has to hit for him to turn invisble, and it is only towards targeted.
He missed, and is fully visible.

As for interupts, yes I should have rolled it and I missed this one. As for AoO's I assume you roll them.

@NEzumi, The HP is returned for the attack.

As someone who has practiced with a lot of Strikers and generally plays far more selfish roles, I felt at some point it was prudent for me to learn all about becoming Hidden. It is both extremely restrictive and extremely powerful in 4E, a fragile and potent condition. It is possible to reset to Hidden mid-combat, but with a few exceptions, requires all lines of sight to you to be broken (usually through Total Cover or Concealment) and a successful Stealth check.

Even then, holding the Condition long enough to strike again while in such a status is no simple feat, as most of the enemies are alerted to your existence and will default to very favorable Perception rolls as a result. If your turn ends with you no longer in some form of cover or concealment, or if you strike someone, you lose Hidden... most of the time. Barring something unusual, a secondary strike from Hidden mid-combat is extraordinary for even character with excellent Stealth, and generally something one has to build their character around doing.

In reply to Storyteller (msg # 46):

OK, if it missed then Khalid's attack hit him for the listed damage, and I may have to think about whether to take my aegis attack against him or the warder.

I'm getting some conflicting information, and while I'm pretty sure Bronzie is occupying the K8-J9 squares, I'm just wanting to make absolutely certain I understand where I am about to try and send this big guy. Because if I can, I'm going to tell it to go to its room and think about what it just did.

The placement is correct on the map that is so no need to spend more time concerned about this.
Go by what the map shows, by all means.

Excellent. So far, so good - I'm surprised that didn't miss. That means it will successfully moonwalk back to its room at the start of its turn. (Which was going to happen anyways even on a miss, but now it has to make a save or I might do it again on its next turn.)

Grock, to reiterate, I healed you myself this time, so confusion should be minimal. You'll probably still be bloodied when your turn starts, unless you are one point over that margin.

I’m fine with the healer adjusting my health score when it happens in their post. No overstep happened. I will post later today.

So to clarify, my attack triggered the interrupt rather than Khalid's so Khalid did damage and can still see the bastard while I did not and can't?

It's an immediate action, so he'd only get to use it once per round. That's probably going to be against whomever attacks him first unless the GM says he'll hold it against a specific attack/enemy.

I'm talking about the round that's nearing completion now..