Wait. Agile no longer adds dex-to-damage?

The +1 magical weapon property does. This isn't talking about that. Think about the agile weapon quality as nothing more than brace, reach, trip, etc etc

Incidentally:

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic...spells/a/alter-self/

Alter-self says it can let you take the appearance of a humanoid. In pathfinder that has very explicit meaning... IE: You can't take the appearance of a nymph since they are fey, nor can you take the appearance of a succubus as they are outsiders. Can we consider humanoid to mean:

hu·man·oid
ˈ(h)yo͞oməˌnoid/
adjective
adjective: humanoid
    1.
    having an appearance or character resembling that of a human.
noun
noun: humanoid; plural noun: humanoids
    1.
    (especially in science fiction) a being resembling a human in its shape.

And not a creature type... (XD As I have alter self, and got smacked in the face by this in a previous campaign)

I believe Kass is humanoid. Just ignore the 4 arms part. He isn't part insect.....

In reply to Kass (msg # 216):

*FORM OF KASS*
"Now I finally have enough arms! And a mini-t-rex"

No! That opens a horrible can of worms since that also opens windows into those creature's powers and so on. Alter self is a terribly powerful ability if you know how to (ab)use it already.

My initial reaction to that would be no. By allowing that spell to do what you wanted to do, you are taking away from higher level spells that can do what you want to do. In my humble opinion of course. That would be my ruling on it unless overrided by League Historian

In reply to Zaira
Who can see through your illusion. Don't mess with the dino...

In reply to Neva Trevail (msg # 218):

It says APPEARANCE, not actual form. No powers can be conveyed.

(The Dinosaur can see through illusions?! Do you mean scent, - Zaira could always slather herself in Kass first...)
In reply to League Justicar (msg # 219):

XD That's okay. I'm only asking things ahead of time so nothing bites me in the bum later. ^.^;.

(And yes its not meant to be a mechanical ability grab, its a ... "Behold mortal I am a shape changing succubus COWER" and not "Behold mortal - no.. down here.. .. way.. down.. here... I'm a shape changing pixie COWER! Why are you laughing...")

No it doesn't? Are you mixing up alter self with disguise self by any chance?

In reply to Neva Trevail (msg # 223):

When you cast this spell, you can assume the form of any Small or Medium creature of the humanoid type. If the form you assume has any of the following abilities, you gain the listed ability: darkvision 60 feet, low-light vision, scent, and swim 30 feet.

Small creature: If the form you take is that of a Small humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Dexterity.

Medium creature: If the form you take is that of a Medium humanoid, you gain a +2 size bonus to your Strength.


(nymphs have swim, I think succubi have dark vision - so do other creatures though?)

You also gain the creature's base speed and natural attacks. (Don't ask why, it has something to do with the spell being in the polymorph subschool).

http://www.ontariopathfinders....s-advice-alter-self/

In reply to Neva Trevail (msg # 225):

O_o I did not know that. I wonder if the person who wrote alter self knew all that lol.

Yes, Alter Self is pretty good as is...:-)

In reply to League Justicar (msg # 227):

Well... yes... *stares at tiny pixie then back, suddenly she has a weapon in hand!*.

Careful with your interpretation of Humanoid there. Neither Nymphs nor Succubi are Humanoids. If you want Dark Vision, Orcs. If you want Swim, Lizardfolk. Not to rain on people's parade, but just because it has two legs, two arms, and one head does not make it a humanoid. If we're going to (ab)use the rules, stick with things on the humanoids list.

I've always felt that Alter Self gets a bit weird when you're involving non-humanoid non-small non-medium casters.  The intent of the spell is pretty clearly "don't change much from what you are", but a Tiny Fey or a Huge Dragon turning into a medium humanoid is a pretty big change.

I'm not bothered enough to suggest "fixing" it, though. ;)

I'm with you Tora, I'm not worried about fixing it. The default on spells assumes that you're a Medium creature like a human, racists I know but there it is. There's no intention of using something so minor (2nd level spell) to allow Huge Dragons to walk around looking like people.

In my table top game we have run into this and made a nice house rule about how much it can change your size. Still handy for Large creatures who get tired of never fitting in to someone's house easily.

I think you didn't scroll all the way up XD I was totally coming from the place of "[why can't my fancy illusion that makes me look humanoid, make me look like something that's basically humanoid, and is that in the dictionary]" and the problem with it turns out to be "[because its monstrously broken to do that because you can get silly attacks]" - I didn't even know it gave the creatures attacks. That isn't abuse right? Asking about it before the game even starts... and having things ruled on.

I think originally you were getting disguise self and alter self confused. Disguise self is an illusion spell, while alter self is a transmutation spell from the polymorph subschool.

In reply to League Justicar (msg # 233):

There was a misleading hat involved too.

Never trust hats, they've been known to lead people astray.

In reply to Zaira Zatara (msg # 215):

Alter self allows you make yourself look like a humanoid.   Which, as you pointed out, has very specific limitations.    I've always viewed it as the magical version of a disguise kit.

I believe an apology on my part is in order...

As the Co-GM's and I have been going through everything, we have "gone back" on things I approved earlier in game, which has caused some of you to have to redo things I already approved.

We have such a large cast of players, and along with my inexperience with the system that it means certain things slipped through with some players we denied others or found needed to be denied later on. I apologize for the inconvenience this has caused everyone!

Also, if you are not finished with your character creation, or are struggling to keep up with the post rate do not worry, take all the time you need.

Also, I am working on party stuff now, hopefully we can get some IC threads up shortly for those of you who are ready to play.