Laditis
 member, 30 posts
Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 11:15
Bug when banned?
I got banned from a game, but the message count is purple, signaling I have a private message. Naturally I can't read it, but I was wondering why is that since I am not part of that game anymore... and thus I shouldn't receive any PM. Is it on purpose or is a bug?
Shannara
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Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 11:26
Bug when banned?
Likely there was a message sent to you that you hadn't had a chance to read before the ban was enacted.
Laditis
 member, 31 posts
Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 18:20
Bug when banned?
I thought so, but then again, why it shows up? My character is deleted, so the message wouldn't have a Recipient anymore. That is why I asked if it was a bug.

Unless the private message alert is something that activates when a private message is sent to me and deactivated when I see that private message instead of checking if I have private messages?

My programming skills are almost nonexistant, but...

If 'private message #1' sent to character controlled by 'Laditis' --> put private message alert to 'Laditis'
If Laditis reads 'private message #1' --> deactivate private message alert.

instead of

If "laditis" has private messages unread in PM inbox --> activate private message alert.
bigbadron
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Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 18:59
Bug when banned?
The message was sent before you were banned, and was flagged for you to read, which is exactly how the system is intended to work.  Then you were banned from the game, have not been able to clear the new message flag, and there is nothing else in the system that will do it for you.

Remove the game from your sticky list, and you won't see it any more.
evileeyore
 member, 139 posts
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Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 19:35
Bug when banned?
But BBR, how does he remove that purple flag from his soul?




;)   I know there's nothing to be done, but man I'm glad it hasn't happened to me, that would drive me mildly nuts not knowing what that last message said.
donsr
 member, 1479 posts
Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 19:42
Bug when banned?
the last message said "..I told you I would  ban you! "
bigbadron
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Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 19:46
Bug when banned?
In reply to donsr (msg # 6):

Probably.  :D
Manticore
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Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 23:18
Bug when banned?
A ban question for you, BBR...

Why does being banned block the person from all games of that GM, not even being able to read the public groups that non-members can see?
Shannara
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Mon 24 Dec 2018
at 23:59
Bug when banned?
Being banned only blocks you from the game you're blocked from.

However, if the GM doesn't want to play with a banned person again, sometimes they take the time to ban the person from all games they GM, one at a time.

I suppose it reinforces the message.

As for why it bans people from reading public groups, I think it encourages people to move on and not stick around trying to see if they're being mentioned or getting upset with how their characters  are written out of the game.
Laditis
 member, 32 posts
Wed 26 Dec 2018
at 10:42
Bug when banned?
In reply to bigbadron (msg # 4):


So

quote:
If 'private message #1' sent to character controlled by 'Laditis' --> put private message alert to 'Laditis'
If Laditis reads 'private message #1' --> deactivate private message alert.


is the right answer.

Strange, the other way would be more direct.
Skald
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Wed 26 Dec 2018
at 13:32
Bug when banned?
More likely the code logic is:

On user login or main screen refresh, check games that user has on sticky list:
  • If normal message to user not yet read then activate message alert (red)
  • If private message to user not yet read then activate private message alert (blue)
  • If both normal and private message to user not yet read then active normal plus private message alert (purple)

... as my understanding is that jase has set things up to be based on the user's viewing of messages.

The fact that the user can't now view messages because they've subsequently been banned doesn't affect the fact that there's a message (normal or PM) there to be read.
horus
 member, 633 posts
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Thu 27 Dec 2018
at 07:36
Bug when banned?
In reply to Skald (msg # 11):

Annoying.  So, is there anything that can be done on the back end to resolve this, or, since the GM is the one who would have to remove the message, is that worthy the only one who can take this in hand?
bigbadron
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Thu 27 Dec 2018
at 08:04
Bug when banned?
In reply to horus (msg # 12):

Well, the banned user can resolve it himself, by removing the game from his list.

The GM can purge the PMs, if he chooses to do so (but some GMs prefer to keep the PMs, as a reminder of why they booted a player).
horus
 member, 634 posts
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Thu 27 Dec 2018
at 18:28
Re: Bug when banned?
bigbadron:
In reply to horus (msg # 12):

Well, the banned user can resolve it himself, by removing the game from his list.

The GM can purge the PMs, if he chooses to do so (but some GMs prefer to keep the PMs, as a reminder of why they booted a player).


Or could the GM mark them as read?

I didn't realize removing that game from the player's list would affect the behavior of the notification flags.  Hmm...

Aren't there ways for a game to get back onto your list without your selecting it (as in, if you received another message in-game)?
Shannara
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Thu 27 Dec 2018
at 18:47
Re: Bug when banned?
If you are banned from the game, nobody in the game can send you another message in that game - even the GM.

Bottom line, if you are banned from a game, remove it from your sticky and you won't see that there was a message you never read anymore.

This message was last edited by the user at 18:48, Thu 27 Dec 2018.

bigbadron
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Thu 27 Dec 2018
at 18:48
Re: Bug when banned?
Removing the game doesn't affect the flag, you just can't see it any more, unless you go looking for the game again.

And yes, a game will come back onto your sticky list if you receive another message... except that nobody in the game can send another message to a banned user.  They are no longer listed as a player, and so they can not be selected to receive a message.
horus
 member, 636 posts
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Sat 29 Dec 2018
at 05:36
Re: Bug when banned?
Thank you both.  Then, yeah, removing the game from the sticky list should effectively solve the problem.

Something for me to remember if I ever have to ban someone from a game:  send their last message as rMail instead of PM if I want them to be able to read it.

I've never banned anyone from a game, and hope I never have to.  I have written out players and transferred their characters to NPC status when necessary due to extended absence, but always with an open invitation to come back when they can.  Just lucky, I guess...
Laditis
 member, 33 posts
Tue 1 Jan 2019
at 11:19
Re: Bug when banned?
Skald:
More likely the code logic is:

************

The fact that the user can't now view messages because they've subsequently been banned doesn't affect the fact that there's a message (normal or PM) there to be read.


But that is the question.
There is a private message for "Character 1"
"Character 1" doesn't exist anymore.
Then why the user can see that there is a private message for "Character 1"?
bigbadron
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Tue 1 Jan 2019
at 11:27
Re: Bug when banned?
Because the PM (addressed to you) still exists in the game, and will continue to exist unless the GM purges all copies of it, even if you can't get access to read it.

This message was last edited by the user at 11:44, Tue 01 Jan.