with 999 posts in the other. someone give it the 1000' post and then we can use this.

In reply to DM Dread (msg # 1):

Hooray! A fresh new thread to sully!

Hmmmm, looks like both Arell and Sara could benefit from the Touch of Law. Wonder if there is a way to affect more than one target at a time? Like a Domain Feat?

we wil give Francis til tomorrow to most then advance the round

Doubt they'd allow that Dorak. The way it is, you basically trade your action to ensure your melee action isn't wasted with a miss. If you could trade one action for two melee actions it'd likely be considered way too strong. But then you never know what kind of crazy feats are out there!

How come I'm so far back on the map?

long story having to do whith how I work through the turns and altering it for the change in posting order...the short story is its fixed.

If Nom survives this, he'll invent a new curse-word that's based on this creature's luck!  Grrrr!

*pounds keyboard and tosses Mathfinder book across the room*

Ok everyone. Francis has told me that he wishes to drop the game. Not because he doesn't like it. But he cannot reliably post
 His cruise ship duties are increasingly sending him into areas without internet.


What I'm going to do

I'll npc him through this encounter

Then I'm not dropping him. I'll just let him stay in town for this next adventure or until Francis says he can reliably join, because I know we all enjoy having Frank around

I am however bringing a 6th in to the group.

Tanien Garaotaum elvish Scout

So he's a merger of our previous druid, previous ranger, previous elf Archer....

I think he will fit in fine and fill that much needed 6th player niche.

And once Francis can return to reliable posting he will be more than welcome to return to the game and at that point we will have 7 like before.

Im good with that.

Good luck Franc! Bon Voyage!

Good luck Francis and welcome Tanien!

And oi, poor Nom's fascinate :-(

I really hate breaking the fascinate Nom, but... Arell did it first!

There's nothing to break except maybe Nom's fascination with himself! *kicks the dirt*

How did that old Boggins fellow, whatever his name was, pull it off against a dragon??? He was using cheater's dice, that's gotta be it!

Giving fidget til tomorrow to post then I'll npc her for the round

Don't forget Touch of Law. Might as well make good use of that for Francis. Did he act yet?

no he hasnt. because Im npc'ing him, he will always go when i post. (Unless the player finds and internet connection). I am waiting for Fidget. but if fidget doesnt post by tonight...Ill npc her as well to kick this fight off

Arell took no damage?

Fixed

Protection Domain's Deflection Aura. Is it a Standard action, a Move action, or a Swift Action?

https://www.d20pfsrd.com/class...s/protection-domain/

Ah, Standard action.

Fidget is leveled up and stat block posted in DM info

Remember the levelling doesn't actually occur til you have a night's rest and 1hr per level of self training.

I Know, what my ears heard was Blah blah blah blah level up blah blah blah blah

Remind me how this works for Pathfinder:

Are we Rolling for HP,

Just taking half our die +1 (so six in the case of a d10)

Or is there some 5-6 alternation thing going on based on level.

Dread normally says either way, it's either trust the roller from hell, or take 1/2 hit die + 1. your choice. I personally go with the half +1. The dice roller hates me.

what fidget says. either go for the guaranteed 1 above half (d6:4/d8:5/D10:6/d12:7) or roll and take what the dice goddess gives you. no rolling then going for the guaranteed. ;)

and Arell if you want Rolf to be your Pet take 1 rank in animal handling.


You get first dibs.

Rolf will tag along with the party if there is a member who wants him and spends the slot to learn how to handle him
Then I will give stats to the player.


order of dibs.

1. Arell
2. Nomerendal
3. Fidget
4. Sara
5. Dorak

DIBS

#BestDMEver

lololol

Arell's Character sheet is updated for Level 2.

and HOLY CRAP what a difference that one level makes.

first world is where the Fey come from....land of the Seelie and Unseelie Courts among other things.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:15, Fri 23 Nov 2018.

Updated for level 2. Not much difference.

@Tanien - I'm considering some things for my level-up... Are you a primary archer? I'm considering a slight revamp of my little gnome. Bards have oodles of skills, but are very feat starved, so I'm just wondering what your character's focus is before I make my decision(s).

@GM - Could I maybe use Countersong to help Sara? Voices in her head might constitute a language or sonic effect... ;-) If she gets Saves, maybe I could use Inspire Courage to help as well? Or lastly, could I try to counter whatever's affecting her by using Charm Person spell somehow?

Lol, personally I think it is the curse she took on when she took a level of Oracle.

Dorak has it ;)

just some role playing and making the situation work for the change in character

I was going to ask how long we should wait before giving it away :-)

The wise cleric figured it out

No Sara, you're sick, and you're GOING TO LISTEN to my countersong, now sit down and start clapping your hands! ;-)

I was all ready to dig in and make these PF rules bleed trying to save you. Don't forget it... lol.

I thought for sure the spider monster jumped into Sara and we were going to have to fight her or something to get it out!

yeah I thought about letting it run for a bit, but knew it would just be fun role playing for sara and might actually cause some friction later. so once Dorak said something...figured Id spill the beans.

good rping for sara though to convince you so readily


in her character background, thats exactly what happened though...the spider thingy did almost possess her ;)

So my theory of mental impalement was close to the mark?

More like the Hivemind is an spiritual entity from the first world that possesses arachnids (or others...but primarily arachnids). And with the body of it's host...an assassin spider being slain it tried to jump into another host...and failed and left a share of itself inside her head

Hey gang, now Nom can shoot into melee and not hit Arell in the rear-end anymore!

(though it IS hard to miss! *snicker*)
This message was last edited by the player at 17:05, Mon 26 Nov 2018.

Forgive that bit of indulgence, but Tanien's post in the Character Creation thread brought me back to Arell's original questionnaire.  And I remembered I had more stuff to do with Arell beyond being cranky and killing stuff.

No forgiveness needed. Some of these folks here who've been in my Rise of The Runelords game for quite some time now...years...know that it's rewarding to me to see players develop their characters and posts like that make it worthwhile.

I'm going to be opening the thread to the next game. Only those who have posted their level up post in the previous thread can post in the new one.

Let's get going to save those kids.

Arell and Nomerendal have heard of Idris Eaveswalker. He's a haughty well known Elven Ranger part of an adventuring group
 He made Falcons Hollow his home because he fell in love with a local Kitani, the clothiers daughter several years back.

They married had a daughter Kimi some 14 years ago. For a long time he'd go adventuring for a few days/weeks and return. The clothier died. Kitani took of the family business. But Idris wasn't for settling down . Adventuring was in his blood...and so was womanizing. Kitani kept pulling him out of taverns where he was enjoying his second favorite pastime...the first was hunting werewolves.

Most recently after a big blow up Idris left to go adventuring...that was 2 years ago.

His daughter Kimi ignores the bar rumors and idolizes her dad fancying herself a heroic adventurer too. She's 14.

Good thinking Dorak! Well played!

Did we pick up any loot or coin this last adventure? I think we need to see Payday.

I'll play catch up after I get off work tomorrow I finally a weekend off.

WAS it that low that we agreed on? I can't seem to locate the post.

Actually Payday and Rennick talked and there was no money agreed to.

It was gratis.

Remember that was when Francis and Payday got into it

When Franc was gonna put Payday in his place... yeah.

Dangit Franc!!!

So basically Kreed in public doesn't want to seem ungrateful and offered something he hadn't agreed to ;)

Doesn't mean we have to accept it. Wanna negotiate?

Ahh, that level up was just in time! ;-)

Now, how are you splitting up the pay?

Splitting what up? I don't know what you're talking about...

Crossbow would be a great choice, but the character build I've worked out doesn't really gain Nomerendal anything by using the crossbow instead of an appropriately sized longbow. Besides, I just took a level of fighter for it, so I'm kinda committed. Dread deals with enough of my shenanigans with characters that I'd like to keep Nom simple, for his sake. ;-)

@GM - Should we RP out getting Nom a bow upgrade, or shall I assume such a thing would be fairly available in the high market, ie a "longbow for a youth" or a human-sized shortbow...?

As for the coin, who'd like to be treasurer? The floor is open for nominations....

Tell me, do you have the Strength to warrant a Mighty Composite bow? If not, crossbow is better IMHO. Light Xbow has 80' range increment vs Shortbow for 70', Heavy Xbow is 120' range opposed to Longbow's 110'. Light Xbow does d6 damage, Composite Shortbow does d4. Light Xbow has 19-20/×2 crit, Shortbow has 20/×3 crit.

Dorak can be fair as treasurer, and can carry a bit without slowing much. I plan to buy an anvil and make shields and eventually armor during whatever downtime we might have.

No, in fact Nom's got a -1 STR modifier, he's also SMALL size. With proficiency from a level of fighter, Nom's looking to step up from shortbow to longbow. Longbow doesn't have the Move action reloading time of a light x-bow, and shoots farther. Granted he's taking the -1 damage with the longbow, and the crit range is one less, but keeping our little fellow mobile (especially since he's got the wand of healing) seems better than having him hit a little bit harder. Masterwork would offset that -1 damage and give him a little boost to hit. I've just got to figure out if Nom's got the jingle for it or not...

Our last treasurer left us before updating the Treasure thread after our first adventure, and I don't remember if we got any coin for the Well Cleansing or not... seems like we did, but my character sheet only reflects my left-over startup funds.


I'm not finding any amounts so far... :-(

We should have 1000gp (100pp) in the kitty at this point, plus whatever we gleaned from the first adventure.

Masterwork helps you hit. It doesn't improve the damage. But....if you take a whetstone to each arrowhead and sharpen it, it does +1 damage on the first hit the arrowhead makes. And since an arrowhead only makes 1 attack before the arrow is ruined, you lose nothing.

We each had about 400 gp from the last adventure, each. I know that's how much I had for spending on improved equipment, anyways.

yes thats about right. I was handling the treasure thread. still am. Ive been adjusting the information there after each encounter that had loot. there wasnt a lot in the spider one. thats why I had Kreed buckle. ;)

yes a longbow and a light crossbow will both be 1d6 for nomerendel. you neednt take the -1 st penalty on the longbow.

Kreed's son is Jurin?

Yes

So Kreeds son
Adventurers/clothiers daughter
Butchers son
Waitress/prostitutes brother
And wizards son

Lol, the montage is of the characters running around buying stuff in fast forward with some Benny Hill music in the background!

With Francis abandoning us, that's 1000 gold divided by 5, right Nom? 200 gold each?

Seriously man, I have no idea what you're talking about.



j/k Yeah, that sounds good. :-P

I'm going to run around behind people, slapping them on the head to hurry them up.

Sorry, been ignoring you guys too long! Here and in misgivings! That time of year I'm afraid, trying to give first priority to the games I GM and then when I hit the end of the game list I'm out of time or energy to respond :-(

Will catch up now!

Merry Christmas! Wishing you all the best!

Apologies again, will catch up tomorrow I hope!

I'm sorry about my lack of posting it's been a rough week my 76 year old mother had a stroke, she has a blockage in her carotid artery and is having vascular surgery in the morning. Her names Sharon prayers would be very appreciated. I'll try to catch up my posts in the next few days. Please feel free to NPC me I'm not dropping out just having a rough time.

Praying for you and your fam. Hope all goes well.

There is nothing to be sorry for, Fidget

Take care of your family and we'll be here when you are ready to come back.  Prayers out.

Prayers sent.

Well wishes also sent to you and your family.

yeah thats why I havent been on either. My Mother in law has been in the hospital as well. between Johnny and my mother and my wifes mom (diagnosed Ovarion Cancer) Ive had a very rough week. Ill get back to posting in the next couple days.

Like I told Fidget, take care of your family.  I can wait.  Thanks for the update.

Fyi. I moved over the last week. Grueling move to larger place. But still arranging and unpacking . I should have the computer set up and running (yes it's a desk top) within next couple days after I bring the desk in from the garage. Please be patient. After that I'll be able to resume regular posting.

I'm working out of town from tomorrow to Saturday-ish. By 'out of town' I mean 50+ miles from about anything resembling civilization.

Good luck with the unpacking GM!

Did Arell add +1 damage for Inspire Courage? When going up against Damage resistance, every point of damage counts.

In fact I did not.

Will adjust.

Krikey Arell! Brutal! FINISH HER!!!

Well, we're off to a typical start, it's all downhill from here!

Will it require a roll to remove the silver manacles from the wall?

yes. Strength check dc 25 or disable device 20 of course the door has to be reopened and the room actually entered first....

Dorak, if you want I can use misfortune to let you re roll spell craft. You'd have to keep the new roll, even if it's worse.

Dorak doesn't have Spellcraft (no skill points to allocate). Better someone trained in it does the job.

Good point... anyone good with spellcraft? I'm not any better than Dorak.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:39, Wed 13 Feb 2019.

No spell craft here either

Not it.

At this point I'd say stuff it in a bag and identify it back in town.

It has been a while since anyone has posted.  Are we on break or something?  I remember that our GM was moving.

Yeah, he hasn't logged in since the 15th.

He'll be back, there's been a lot going on for him and his brother, fret ye not...

We all know that real life takes precedence.  Just checking in.

I'll give my brother a call and see how things are going

Has it been that long? Yeah moved I'll get a post up tomorrow

Im having major computer issues and have been for a bit. cannot get the pictures shared on my computer. settings changed and of course the kids deny changing anything so I can fix it.

roll 1d6 and its roll x1.5 for damage.

Water damage 4 on 1d6. × 1.5 = 6 damage

Imgur works better for me than the Onedrive you were using before. Keep this setting if it's working for everyone else...

Correct Sara. Touch attack vs AC 5 square

We shoulda learned our lesson in the last chapter! lol

Leaving in the morning to take my older 3 boys winter camping. I'll be back Saturday evening.

Arell needs a burning blade. Or oil to apply and set alight......

At this point I'd take a reasonably sized fly-swatter

Nice use of APC, Fidgit. Every little bit helps.


Hey, can I Selective Channel and leave out the Swarm? Since they damage as a group entity, it's only fair they be spared from healing as a group entity.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:15, Sun 03 Mar 2019.

It looks like the spider swarm has been dispersed, if not Nom's Mage Hand will use Sara's oil flask.

Lol, that created an amazing image in my mind. My second daughter has very long, thick hair and has done that very thing before. Well done!

The map links don't seem to be working. I might be mistaken, but I think we need to go back through town to get to the Crucible? If not, then let's rest and get an early start. It's a ways off as I recall...

GM - Feel free to skip ahead if so inclined... unless anyone objects.

Also, if no one wants or needs the other silver dagger, Nom will take it.

I'll redo the links with imgur

And no you don't have to go back through town Elaras is right on the edge of the woods. Maybe a mile away

Good to know, thanks. I'm ready to ffwd unless there's something more that needs to happen where we're at... not metagaming, just wanting to see what happens next ;-)

I have no objections to moving forward in time either.

What/who Is Elaris?

@Dorak - Elara's Halfway House - It's the ruins where we just fought the swarm.

link to a message in this game

technically its a river. but when i get to describing it again youll know that.

the mapps have all been updated to Imgur

Thanks GM, that helps!

In reply to DM Dread (msg # 116):

I edited my post to reflect new info.

In reply to DM Dread (msg # 117):

I just saw the halfway house map. Cool scene. Might we assume that we took the time to search it?

Yes it was searched. It's been looted before

In your posts you can assume crossing without incident

I think as the newcomer I don't know any of this backstory, right?

More than likely there would have been 'campfire' talk...relaying this information.

There. Made it official. Consider yourselves updated. ;-)

I Know I missed most of that.

The stairway and sign In Draconic is one level 1 Crucible, room #5?

Yep it was in the final room before the stairs down with the Worg and his 2 mates.

Sorry for my lack of posting I'm in the middle of painting one house packing the other and moving, basically working about 14 hours a day. The storage pod and cable will be at the new place Wednesday until then this will be my last chance to post.

Yes 6 folks plus 2 dogs can go across first trip.

It's 15x15. So 9 5x5 squares.

I'm proposing that we proceed (carefully of course) to the stairway and... head down! Yikes!

Two/three things.
1) I cannot see a message from the plaque. Empty space to me.

2) This was a temple to Torag the Builder?

3) The pews are made of Darkwood?

Yeah... I caught that too. Missed it the first time here. Are you thinking what I'm thinking? ;-) Darkwood composite bow and arrows? Or a shield?


So an ability I've never used is Sound Mimicry. Do we want to lure some of the noisemakers down below, up into our area and ambush them? I can use it now at +7, but if Nom listens for 10 mins he gets an additional +4...


@DM - Nom's got Hatred, +1 against reptilian and goblinoid subtypes... does that cover kobolds?

In reply to Dorak Fellhammer (msg # 132):

yes...because Ive got all the languages the party knows in 'private boxes' in the GM menu so I if its a language only certain folks know...the others dont know unless they share.

when the party was here last time only Francis knew it. this time only Tanien. (Draconic)

yep...the pews are made of darkwood. and yes noone caught that the first time around.

It was at one point. ( a temple to Torag...thats why the ring of torag was among the treasure items. However...things have changed.)

In reply to Nomerendal Tunespinner (msg # 133):

yes, reptillians = Kobolds

GM, Based on your last big post and new map, was I getting ahead of you when I posted about leading the way downstairs?

no. the party consensus was to head to the stairs. Just because three of you hadnt seen the first floor...noone could know that perhaps further investigation was in order. So Im allowing slight backtracking. Doraks a priest of Torag.

Ah, I'd assumed we'd explored everything, but we should let our dwarf friend do his thing before we head down. Nom will begin listening (10 minutes) in order to mimic what he hears if needed.

Are the expert and adept also overseeing? Or laboring?

Good question...they are laboring

Do they look different? Are they treated different?

Dorak cant see them but if he asked Tanien, he say they are treated inferior.

Sara is holding for a sleep spell or something similar, then casting her own divine favor and moving in

Figures. Nom's typical opening volley, donating arrows to the void...

Thought the idea was for me to draw them out after 'a lone dwarf', not scare them into running for help. Nom, you and Fidgit definitely need to learn tactical thinking......

Yeah, that was my intent...

mine to I posted that I moved into position while you were distracting them

Fyi everyone post their moves and attacks as if the Gambit worked and the kobolds are closing in on dorak.

Does that mean we need to redo our posts or simply understand for next round?

I'd redo or do a new post

Message updated.

Two crits (one confirmed) and one and a half dead kobolds.

This round I am Pulling them In.

So how many are left attacking? The pne who speared me?

Two. On the map the ones without the black box...less the slave, Jarrdreg and Kibbo

I'm still not sure who is who.  Can you give map coordinates for the threat kobolds?

Can't right now.

Sleeping kobolds have a black box around them.

Slaves are gold Kobolds
Jardregg is a blue Kobolds
Kibbo looks like an adventurer and is next to Jarrdreg.

The warriors look like warriors.

I try to use tokens that look like combatants or non combatants for clarity.

Kobs @ [26,8] and [26,7] are still active.

I cant tell if any Kobold are near me. Images on Map are blurred.

if you hover the cursor over the map theres a + sign so you can zoom.

yes theres a kobold warrior with 1 hp left right next to Dorak

Using a tablet. No cursor No Plus sign

Not anymore. Now it's a twitching corpse with a little arrow sticking out of its ear-hole...

GRIN!!!

Sorry for the delay, things got a little lot crazy today...

The soft footfall is going AWAY from the chamber? Meaning someone is leaving, possibly invisibly?

I did not say going away. I just said he heard a step.

Sorry Dorak, couldn't resist. ;-)

My thought is that we're either being followed, or that someone's leaving unseen, but I'm scratching my head as to how Nom might help expose them. I've got a few chee-zzee ideas, but I'm open.

Haha. Dwarves have no sense of humor.

Oh fyi...message is to me like tactical throat Mike's. Where you whisper and they hear it.

Is it a single set of footsteps we can hear?  Or are there a multiple sets?

I ask because it might be more prudent to rush this guy before he has a sense that something might be off.

Nomerendal and Tanien heard a single scuff of footsteps on stone

Since Arell hasn't asked the question yet, I'll do so for him! ;-)

quote:

Arell notices something vaguely translucent coming around the corner to his front.

Which direction is his front? I realize this is information for Arell to address and the rest of us won't know it unless he says something, but we would be able to tell which direction he's facing, right? Anyway, if that's too meta, just ignore.

Nevermind, I figured it out. Had to refresh the imgur.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:49, Fri 19 Apr 2019.

Just a heads up, I'm going to be pretty busy this weekend and early next week. Might not hear a lot from me.

Been sick as hell. Worked through the flu which the whole house had.

And update on my brothers posts as well. Mom had another stroke and he's been working and visiting her everyday in Austin. Adding 4 hours to every day I'll get things back on track in the next couple days among my games

Damn. Sorry to hear about your mom.  I hope she recovers quickly and things normalize soon.  Take all the time you need.

Hang in there you two. Praying for a good outcome for you.

Perhaps this stress explains why a gelatinous cube has shown up in both your games at the same time! ;-)

Really that was a total coincidence. Though Johnny and I had a chuckle about that

Hey Sara, I also rolled a 1 on my attack.....just so you don't feel alone.......

Well aren't we a bunch of highly skilled and competent individuals.

At least we're not peeing ourselves in our paralysis like a certain paladin I know :-)

Joke's on you. I went before we went into the dungeon. :)

Arell doesn't realty need a codpiece that size. it's a reservoir so he doesn't need to remove the armor.

Sorta like a "truckers' buddy".

Kobold Rogue is knocked out?

Technically yes. At -6 and bleeding

So do we finish him or wake him up and interrogate him?

Only thing I hate about Pathfinder cleric is they took away heavy armor proficiency  (had it in 3.0 & 3.5!!).

Gave it back to War Domain Cleric in 5e... In my home 5e FtF game, our Life Domain Cleric took a feat to get heavy armor proficiency. Then a few levels of Ranger. Now he can heal, tank and range pretty darn well! The only problem is he forgets he's a cleric most of the time... "Oh, yeah... uh I suppose I CAN turn undead... huh."

I think the Life Domain gets Heavy Armor automatically.

More likely he took the mastery feat (which is freaking good, don't get me wrong).

I suppose I could take heavy armor proficiency  at level 3...

It would take about a half hour to adjust the straps on the plate but it could be made to work on a human both medium after all

okay...further question

is it "full plate that happens to be made by the dwarfs" or actual "dwarven full plate" the magic item?

Also how's the axe look?

Dwarven Waraxe +1. Mine....

Fair enough.

Its full plate of obvious dwarves manufacturing

I thought the cube came down the stairs??

Nope.  Left side hallway.

Yep. I think the kobold assassin came down the stairs.

they have it right Dorak.

Well then we must deal with the shaman. AFTER we rescue the kids.

3000 posts!!!!   Huzzah!!!



!
This message was last edited by the player at 17:33, Tue 18 June 2019.

I'll be working in the boonies this week, again, so please NPC my char if needed. Be back on the 6th.

Belated Happy Independence Day!

I came down out of the mountains where I was working to the nearest semblance of a town, normal population about 120 people. They put on one of the best fireworks shows I've ever seen! They were short-handed and recruited me to help rig the fuses! So much fun!

I have one final week up there and then I'll be done with the project and will be posting a little more normally.

I'll be on the road job and house hunting for the next two weeks in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming. Bringing my laptop with me, but who knows where/if wi-fi will happen. NPC as needed. I'll try to keep up.

Waiting for something.......

Dread hasn't logged on in a month.  Hope he's okay.

He's going through some relationship issues, he told me he would have things sorted out in about a week. all I can say is hang in there Dread normally doesn't flake on his games.

Just a post for support for both our GM and for the rest of you. Life's got a way of ruining our fun sometimes, and though I don't know any of you in person, I just thought to post here to let Dread know we haven't forgotten about him and not to feel bad or embarrassed for having to step away from the game for a while. We understand. Hang in there!

It's been a while.  Checking it to see how things are going.

Still waiting for DM.

Still here. It seems as if the Brothers Grimm must have had some RL happen. Hope they're ok...

I'm still here just swamped Mom in the nursing home I go see her every other day, working 6 days a week 10 to 12 hours a day until the end of the month. and now my 84 year old dad was sent out to live with me, he's got some dementia issues, add the normal honey do's from the wife and I do have time to sleep on Sundays. hope fully every thing will slow back down after the first. I really hate RL, I need a job where they pay my to role play then life would be grand.

Oop! Saw this ping up on my list. I'll take the bait. How are the Brothers Grimm fairing these days? It's been... years!

Surprised to see this again too.

Saw that paizo is putting together a book version of this adventure.  I've been debating whether to pick it up as I still kind of want to see what happens from this side of the table.

Well heck fellas. How are you all...?
As for how the brothers Grimm are ..

It's been a hell of a few years what with the pandemic and more issues than you can shake a stick at.



This last year has been the worst. Both parents passed away. Totalled s car. Got Covid. Lost jobs retired yet still working part time to augment my social security

I haven't chatted with my brother in a few months but he was going strong last time I did; though he did say because of his promotions it was highly unlikely he'd ever go back to playing online...lack of time.

I however have been getting the itch.

 Reading through the PF2 core rulebook now. Near done...I also picked up the Crown of The Kobold king for PF2...

And have been lurking lately...pondering.


Would you guys consider it?

If not no harm no foul...we did just poof on after all.

If yes then I'll escalate things and look for the balance of the group...it would be PF2.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:41, Sat 21 Jan 2023.

Completely unfamiliar with PF2. Is it much different?

I warn you, if it's like going from D&D 3.5 to D&D 4, I'll be staking you out over an ant hill and pouring the honey.....

Sorry to hear about your folks GM. It was a weird couple of years. Glad to see you coming through however. Hopefully your brother's content with his work load. Construction is tough. I'm much happier now that I've changed careers. Tell him hi for me next time you talk.

I've been playing in a very slow PF2e game. It's taken me a bit to get the new rules sorted out, but I really like it so far. I honestly struggled with PF1e when I first joined this game, though through the years I got it sorted as well. Anyway, I'd love to try making Nom in 2e. It'd be nice to start at 2nd or 3rd level, but I don't know if that fits with the Kobold King adventure.

I'd certainly be up for it!

At this point, honestly, I prefer PF2.  Less swingy, less likely to screw up character creation.

Admittedly I'm not an experienced player by any means, but given how bad DnD 5E screwed the pooch recently, I'd basically rather play ANYTHING ELSE.

I got a bunch of PF2 books on sale a year ago, and picked up Abomination Vaults as a birthday gift to me.  So, if we don't want to run Kobold King again...we have options.

My thoughts...

Options:
1. A. Take over from where we left off going after the kids. (They've been completely cut out of the rewrite to Pf2 ...but it's be easy to put em back in)...if you recall you were looking to rescue 5 children who were looking to become adventurers after seeing you all.

So party would be 2nd level....not my favorite idea

2. I'd do a narrative where the kids were rescued. And it's been 3 years since that occurred and news has come of something bad  in the depths of the monestary....

Naturally the people who know it best are approached.

Party would be 2nd level still.

3. Play something totally different.

Though right now I only have Crown of the Kobold King...though it wouldn't be difficult to get something else

After looking it over it's different enough to be fun ..and since we didn't even get past the first couple rooms....and it's now a 5 level dungeon. With lots going on...

Batting the ball over the net

Mostly just saying hi. Sorry to hear about your folks, glad you two are doing well though.

I've played a little 2e is better at some things worse at others. I'd be game to look at something new, really any of those options would work. I don't remember much from the old game lol. Something about a gelatinous cube?

In reply to Dorak Fellhammer (msg # 211):


The role playing aspect is the same of course. Since I've been playing in every edition since the dawn of TSR...my take is...it's probably the most balanced version ever. It also lends itself more easily to role playing...having a 3 actions in a round economy instead of  2.

There's plenty that changed...

Ive only played in a few games of it. I like it.

Now...you don't need any combo of certain classes to succeed...you could have an all fighter party and do well.

Pathbuilder is an absolutely free character creator where you could play with rebuilding Dorak to get an idea.

The gelatinous cube was the last encounter we had before the bottom fell out.

It was the 2nd encounter in the first dungeon level...

https://pathbuilder2e.com/

Let's light some fires and slash some tires!

I've been wanting to see a 5th level or higher game, but getting more people familiar with 2e is great with me. I'm happy to continue the story or convert it to the newer one. Whatever is easiest and scratches your itch GM!

By all reports, PF2 works great at level 1 (certainly better than DnD 5E which takes until level 3 to actually get going).

However, I don't think Arell actually 'works' in PF2.  "Champions" in PF2 focus on Defense (actually somewhat to their detriment) and Arell is very much offensively focused.  Now this can be mitigated (the 'Free Archetype' Variant rule would help tons), but I'd be stretching mechanics to fit the idea in my head, rather than making a character suited to the mechanics.

So, option 1 doesn't really work for me.  Option 2 is a little better.  The three-year time skip, we could justify changes in equipment and combat style (and Rolf growing to mount size :D).

However, I, personally, am interested in option 3, "something different".  Higher level would be nice, but not necessary.

I too vote "something else". Preferably with some 3pp content or Path of War or Spheres.

PF2 just doesn't have enough content to whet my appetite.

True enough. The Champion is sufficiently different.

Ok so let me break things down a little differently.

1. Continue with PF1 from the point we left off. Prep time...time to recruit 1-2 more players.. ready to roll now

2. Fast forward 3 years changing to Pf2. Starting kobold crown past the intro.

Prep time probably 3-5 days for change overs and recruiting

3. Starting something new...whether PF1 or 0F 2 probably 7-10 days to recruit, make characters and prep game.

Let's have a concrete vote on this.

I never thought you guys would all  chime in. Thank you. Really. Thank you.

If I need to vote to break a tie I will.

When you vote ..vote go 1st (3pts) 2nd 2pts 3rd 1pt..and it's ok to say no to one of the choices meaning you wouldn't be interested.


If you choose the 3rd option say which version and maybe a couple of ideas to run.

My vote:

1st choice: Option 3 (PF1)
2nd choice: Option 1
3rd choice: N/A

My Vote:

1st Choice: Option 3 (PF2)
2nd Choice: Option 2
3rd Choice: N/A

I am willing to default to the group if something else wins, this is just my preference.

Also, holy s#!&, hi Frank!

Hi Francis. Pf2 has the inventor class fyi

My vote

1st choice: option 1

2nd choice: option 3 (PF 1E)

3rd choice: N/A

I recall looking briefly at the PF2e PHB when it came out. The layout style put me in mind of D&D 4e. I put it back on the shelf and ignored it since then.

My votes:

1.  Option 3, PF2e with hopes of bumping to level 5+ fairly quickly... (hey, shoot for the moon right?)

2. Option 1, PF1e

3. Option 2, PF2e

@Dorak - I kinda thought the same thing at first, the book is hefty and rules are scattered all over the place. With Pathbuilder and a 2e cheatsheet, you'd be good to go fairly quickly. I'll dig through my files and see if I can find a good one.

Also, I haven't been keeping up on Paizo 2e releases, so I don't know what is available for fun adventures. Having never GMd either version of PF, I don't know what conversions take. But keeping things interesting and fun for Dread will trump my preferences anyway.

Options

1(as is) D-3+A--+F-2 [5]

2(3yl) D--+A-2+F-- [2]

3a(PF1) D-0+A--+F-3 [3]
3b(pf2) D--+A-3+F-0 [3]

Whose voted Francis, Arell, Dorak

Ouch this might be tough.

Looks like we lose players no matter what the choice...well let's see what Nom and Sara say.

Options

1(as is) D-3+A--+F-2+N-2[7]

2(3yl) D--+A-2+F--+N-1 [3]

3a(PF1) D-0+A--+F-3+N--[3]
3b(pf2) D--+A-3+F-0+N-3[6]

Whose voted Francis, Arell, Dorak, Nomerendel

No as to how difficult PF2 is...after reading most the rulebook I can say...

A. It's not more difficult, in fact it's probably less 'mathfinder' than PF1

B. I didn't see rules 'everywhere' . They just restate the rule in locations that's referencing them. It's all fairly intuitive.

C. There are huge changes though.

First AoO--- class feature for Fighter only. Champion and Monk CAN  get the ability through choices.

Second. 3 actions.
3 characters. Example
Wizard. 1. Recall knowledge. 2. Cast cantrip. 3. Move
Fighter 1. Raise shield. 2. Strike. 3. Strike at -5
Druid 1. Command Companion. 2&3. Cast 2 action spell.

As an example

4. Lots of character differences with each class.

5.mental adjustment for encumbrance using bulk.

6.mental adjustment for less coinage and less costs of items ..



Are some of them

I like new especially as I can't remember anything!

So 3 (don't care A or B but would rather NOT do pow or spheres nor quick jump to level 5 PF2, as I've never played PF2 beyond level 2 yet! )
2
1

Also PF2 imho works much better with optional rules especially free archetype

Options

1(as is) D-3+A--+F-2+N-2+S-1[8]

2(3yl) D--+A-2+F--+N-1+S-2[5]

3a(PF1) D-0+A--+F-3+N-+S-3[6]
3b(pf2) D--+A-3+F-0+N-3+S-3[9]

So with the votes in..

Looks like the majority want to do anew PF2 adventure.

The question comes to mind. Francis? Dorak? Are you willing to partake? Try it out?

Or does that put you out?



Coming in second is continuing falcons hollow in pf1. As we stand right now...but I don't blame everyone from feeling meh about that since 3 years is a long time to be away from the desire to do what attracted you to it in the first place


Any thoughts before I slam the gavel down and move towards the next part.

I own no books. Are there PF2 references I can look at before I decide?

The Archive of Nethys has all of the raw material for 2E (and I mean ALL the material) available for easy purusal.

https://2e.aonprd.com/?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

The Youtuber Nonat1s has a comprehensive 'intro to 2E' series of videos to help explain things more naturally.

https://www.youtube.com/playli...T2bOjZuvsG4Jy7AZUVFH

I haven't found any 'actual play' videos that I particularly like, but that should be enough to get you started.

https://pathbuilder2e.com/

And as I mentioned...Pathbuilder is free and can really give you a good bit of info on character builds and such.

You can export character sheets and store them there as well...tracking your levelling. It's easy to use. Handy.

Started to listen to the first video. As soon as I heard about proficiencies in everything, including equipment, well, THAT'S what pissed me off about D&D 4e. If you're doing this, you'll do it without me. The proficiency system limits you too much for skill monkey characters, and everyone else, frankly.

One more big change for spellcasters.

Spells don't automatically match levels.

Example: if you know Fireball (3rd level spell). You cast a 6d6 fireball.

It won't get more powerful.
To get more powerful you have to learn fireball 4th level...then damage increases to 8d6.

You can get rid of the 3rd level in your spellbook as a wizard and replace it with something else if you want.

It's called 'heightening'.
Cantrips and focus spells auto heithen to half level round up.

Cantrips unlimited casting. Focus spells 1xevery 10 minutes. Additionally each class can use signature spells...1 per level...that get auto heightened.

That may seem difficult to get, but it's actually
Pretty easy to grasp.

It's not what you're thinking.


In pathfinder currently you have the same system. A character is proficient in types of armor and types of weapons.

The only difference now is there's varying degrees of proficiency. That provides a different modifier.

Regular equipment has no rules regarding that.

It doesn't limit any character, in fact...they typically can do more than before.

Here's what I'd suggest...

Go to pathbuilder and build 3-4 characters and see how they look. Before you make an opinion

My two favorite characters in 1e are

1) a Hobgoblin Slayer who has a wickedly high Heal skill and the Signature skill Feat.


2) an Unchained Rogue Monkey goblin who can deliver 1d3+8 nonlethal damage with a dagger and is a Fear build, based on the Enforcer feat. He has Minor Magic (Ray of Frost at-will) and Major Magic (Shield, Lvl/2 times a day)


Are both these types buildable and playable in 2e?


Installed Pathbuilder and immediately hit a word salad under options that I don't understand.
This message was last edited by the player at 07:27, Sun 22 Jan 2023.

In the middle of creating my first character and already seeing differences. Humans can get an Extra skill, an Extra Feat, but no longer gets both? Other races don't seem to have lost half of THEIR benefits though.
Slayer is no longer a Class, but is a background instead? Backgrounds are like traits?

Keep waiting to see if MORE or BETTER stop by to make an appearance.....

In reply to DM Dread (msg # 231):

Before I give my answer I need to know, will the character's backgrounds factor in the picture at all? Because with APs they don't. At all.

Dorak- first ...make sure it's pathbuilder for PF2 you downloaded. The first screen asks if you want to start a new character or load an existing character.

the 'word salad' that initially shows up after that is merely enabling what you want to utilize for building the character.

No to battlezoo material. Yes to adventure  p path material.


As for characters being build able and playable from previous editions...

Since I've been around since the first inception of D&D I can say ...EVERY edition changed things that I had to adjust to...

Yes humans do not get both versatile and an extra feat...nor do dwarves get every thing they used to.

This has been modified sufficiently.

The initial method of creating a character has you choose first..an Ancestry...(Race with some more delineating things) then a Background (the background fleshes out details of your character. It can be tied to an AP, but it doesnt have to. Yes you can view it as 'traits' Plus some fleshing out ie...it helps decide your initial statistics.

Then your class will put the topper on this .


Can a character from 1st ed be created...yes. will it be 100% the same? no. (but as I said...nor was it ever when going from 1 edition to another.)

as to whether a background will be utilized in the game....besides helping to flesh out your concept of the character, its always been the purview of the DM to make sure that happens....in otherwords...thas my yob mang (in best ricky ricardo accent...or for more modern folks, Spartacus in the bird cage.)

Depends on what you mean by build able and playable I guess. If it's the concept, definitely.

- there is no slayer class true, but fighters and rogues are capable classes in 2e, so don't need unchaining or 'fix' classes
-medicine (2e for heal) is absolutely a vital skill in 2e and non magical healing is useful, possibly even the preferred way of out of combat healing. Far far better than heal in 1e even with skill unlocks
- monstrous races (ancestry and heritage in 2e - yes the terminology drives me nuts to) are available and probably more prevalent in 2e. Though I haven't seen monkey goblin. If it exists it's probably more balanced than in 1e.
-intimidation is an important part of the 2e game but free intimidates on hits are probably higher level than enforcer feat. The feat 'you're next' does give free intimidates when you kill something and I think is available to level 1 rogues
- balance in general is VASTLY improved. It's hard to make a useless character, but it's also hard to create something overpowered with just the right combination of carefully chosen feats.

Your slayer might be a hobgoblin fighter with a focus on feats you build up medicine

Your rogue might be a goblin (?) Rogue with a sorcerer dedication (kind of like vmc in 1e - it's the only way to multi class in 2e) with a focus on feats to improve intimidate. Rogues still get a ton of skill ranks but unlike 1e they're actually good with skills that aren't disable device and stealth

Of course they wouldn't be the same characters but they'd do similar things.

While Dorak and Francis decide if they want to play, let's start discussing what

Pf2.
APs
1.Age of Ashes---Isger to start, but tours Golarion.cultists, slavers and dragons oh my (1st 2e. Said to be very deadly)
2.Extinction Curse--- (queue 'Must let the show go on)isle of Kortos. Players are members of a circus.
3.Agents of Edgewatch (sing along...bad boys bad boys what ya gonna do...)Absalom.  Players are cops.
4.  Abomination Vaults. (Dungeon crawl on isle of Kortos---3 modules takes to 10th).
5. Fists of the Ruby Phoenix  ---i don't think we should run this with us being relatively new to Pf2. It's 10th+ 3 modules ...martial arts tourney
6.Strength of Thousands. Set in Mwangi Expanse. Defending an ancient magic school.
7.Quest for The Frozen Flame. Vikings riding Mammoths...nuff said.
8. Outlaws of Alkenstar. Cowboys meet magic. Guns are a must 3 modules
9. Kingmaker...the PF2 version.
10. Blood lord's In Geb. That kingdom of the dead....undead is the theme.
11.Gatewalkers (just coming out.) Paranormal investigators.

Or I could just run modules and link them together myself.
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:14, Mon 23 Jan 2023.

I mean, I don't want you to 'waste' money on us...but who am I to deny you new books should you wish them XD.

Very interested in playing...
Extinction Curse --found two different lists that said it was the best one.
Strength of Thousands --Supposedly very good, and heavy on the RP
Quest for the Frozen Flame --Also very good, but in a different way.

Moderately interested in...
Agents of Edgewatch...played in cop games before, they're fun.
Abomination Vaults...again, I have this one, but it would be nice to see it from the players' side.
Kingmaker...never played, but considered picking it up myself.  Be nice to see how it goes.

None of the others really 'speak' to me, but I'm not going to turn my nose up if they are chosen.

I'd really like to try Kingmaker or Outlaws. Haven't played either. I'm in a slow moving Ashes game. The others don't seem to appeal to me as much.

I'd be ok with Frozen Flame or Vaults, but not with Nom as a character, I'd use my fighter.

What about a mashup of your other old Rune lords game? 2e Magus looks fun!

Maybe one or two of the Bounty adventures to break the ice for the newbs to 2e?

Also, I'm happy to chip in for whatever we decide.

My thoughts are to start at 1st level ...so new characters. Since we aren't continuing with the falcons hollow storyline.

We will do milestone levelling.

I already downloaded a free intro scenario to being the group together and kick off familiarizing with PF2.

I'll create a new game area  once I know what to call it.

I don't want to try and convert any pf1 stuff over to Pf2 yet, simply because I'm not familiar enough to do it justice ...so something already created .

Im going to try what Sara suggested, create a Hobgoblin fighter who leans into Medicine, see where that takes me. If I like what I see, I'll give it a go. But I will probably need a lot of explanations at first.

Trying to use builder but I'm running into roadblocks. What is significance of Red feats as opposed to black feats? How do you find out about prerequisites for Feats, cause they ain't listed?

There are a lot of unofficial conversions of 1e aps to 2e. I'm playing in a tyrants grasp, seen hells rebels, war for the crown, lots of others. Since unofficial, quality probably varies.

Kingmaker of course is official conversion. I'm playing that too. It brings in a lot from the video game too. It's been good so far, but we're just early into it (made level 2)

Red means you don't meet prerequisites. Feats are strongly level gated in 2e (minimum level required is the number on the right) so first level characters don't qualify for a lot. A lot of class features have been converted into feats which allowed more character customization, but also loads of class specific feats (rogue feats, cleric feats, champion feats, and so on) so more feats you can't qualify for

So it's not a matter of 'you need this' to qualify? It's 'you need to be this level'? How do you find out when it is available? The builder doesn't list that.

When you're in building your character it says the level next to the feat.

Sara what are your thoughts on what you'd like to play in?

I'd be against king maker (since I'm already playing it, but could be convinced) and the high level one. Any of the others sound great to me. Or as I mentioned find a conversion, there are a lot out there.

I've spent the day looking over APs and trying to find conversions. Not as much easy as it looks.

I think after much deliberating, that I like The Extinction Curse the most. The plot is intriguing.


Would I lose anyone if I chose it?

Come one, come all! Humble performers become leaders of the Circus of Wayward Wonders when tragedy strikes. But as these heroes lead their motley band of performers and roustabouts around the Isle of Kortos, they uncover a sinister plot to exterminate life from the Starstone Isle. The dead god Aroden may be gone, but his legacy lives on, as do his old enemies who would destroy the wonders he raised from the sea. Spectacle meets savagery as the heroes strive to stop the Extinction Curse!


And the description on the first module...

The Show Must Go On (1 of 6): The Extinction Curse Adventure Path begins! The Circus of Wayward Wonders has just arrived in the remote town of Abberton, and the player characters are the stars of the show! When the ringmaster turns up dead, the fate of the traveling circus and its entertainers hangs in the balance, and the heroes must scramble to put on a successful show and find the killer—all at the same time! Investigations only lead to more questions, and the heroes find themselves center stage in a dangerous, prehistoric plot that threatens not just Abberton, but every inhabitant of the Starstone Isles!

I'm in, though have no idea how to build a character for a traveling circus! We're all bards?

So we'd have to create characters who can Perform as well?

not necessarily...you could probably use Sleight of Hand (or whatever it's called in PF2) to juggle...Acrobatics to do trapeeze/walk tightropes.  Athletics for feats of strength, animal handling to tame lions...

I'm definitely in.  Does anyone have their heart set on playing anything in particular.

For my part I've had a wizard character lying around for a while that might work...actually plays up the whole "stage magician" stuff with a focus on illusions.

Although now that I think of it, a Lion-taming Ranger might be fun.

I was the barbarian lass before, makes sense to be some sort of strong woman.

Though probably not a barbarian, I don't like the 2e barbarian much. Maybe a monk/wrestler type?

Are we going to do the free archetype variant rule (please say yes... please say yes... please say yes...)

I just finished a remake of Nom as a 2e character... Looks fun as a face character in a game with lots of RP. I have a shield fighter I like to play for more hardcore battle/dungeon type stuff, and I think I'll whip up a gunslinger or magus for fun depending on what direction we decide to go.

Wtf? Builder will not let me choose the skills I want, will not let me build up the stats I want (he is a Healer but it saddles me with -2 Wisdom), I cannot increase the Fighter's Strength beyond what the Options give me as modifiers, and I cannot equip the character as there is no place to state what he has to spend. All in all it looks like the fucking cookie-cutter system that I LOATHE from 4e.
This message was last edited by the player at 10:42, Tue 24 Jan 2023.

Hobgoblin has -2 to wis, in 2e. Didn't they in 1e? I never really played the monstrous races much. But just like most races in 1e get either one boosted staff, or two boosts and a penalty, most in 2e get either two boosts or three boosts and a penalty. You might prefer human two free stat boosts?

Not sure what problem with strength is. Level 1 strength is capped at 18 (just like it was capped at 20 on in 1e) but there are far fewer ways to increase stats

Doesn't Pathbuilder have a point buy somewhere? I'm on my phone and it doesn't like that site. I'll look when I get home tonight.

The program seems to want you to select things in a particular order and then other options unlock. Also the various tabs on equipment let you Give an item rather than Buy it. I found that easier and I'll adjust my coins when I'm done.

Takes a little fiddling. I'm notorious for wrestling programs to make them work in ways they were not intended. ;-)

Im moving things along.

heres the beginnings of the game. Lets get together on the Bigtop and discuss the specifics of character creation. what should be and shouldnt be. Ill post a looking for players today as well.

link to another game

In reply to Sara Dawnstar (msg # 264):

In 1e they had +2 Dex, +2 Con, and no ability reductions. As for the free boosts, I was not able to choose it for myself. The program chose it for me. And 8f there was a point buy I never saw it.

Seriously? +2 Dex AND +2 Con? That's fantastic, but 2e got rid of most of that kind of overpowered race cheese.

They also had +4 racial mod for Stealth. On the downside, they were goblinkin, with all those problems

Yeah, the races in 2e I think are much more balanced. I think in general it all is. Like I said a few posts up, there is a much lower optimization ceiling and a much higher floor - it's hard to make a character that flat out sucks, but hard to make one that just dominates.

That's my take too. It's much more of a cooperative version of an rpg than before

Bounded like 5e, but it appears as if Paizo actually pulled it off.

I find that projecting a build is easier. I have made spreadsheets for my 1e characters. I do like the mental workout of creating min/max, multi class 1e characters for specific adventures. Took me years to get Mathfinder figured out.

I'm pretty burned out on 5e though. My FtF group hit it pretty hard for three years before I moved, and now we play via discord with systems like FATE or Ironsworn as a break. We did a Fiasco one shot which was a blast online.

Unfortunately I'm ganna have to bow out. New system, little time IRL, plus not one of my preferred choices for the game. I wish you all well and lots of fun. And please, think fondly of this old sourpuss as you proceed to save the world.

Good game friend. Keep in touch.

Take her easy Frank

In reply to DM Dread (msg # 275):


This message was last edited by the player at 22:15, Thu 26 Jan 2023.