What style is he?

He's missing -20 point in disadvantages and an equal number of those points in skills. He should have 50 points in his chosen style and 9 secondary an background points. plus the style familiarity perk. Unless you used a template that wasn't the contender, and I don't think you did.



You are also missing the second -20 in disadvantages! you should also increase your HT by 2, which will balance things out. You have the perk, which is nice.

Yes, automatic sheets are nice for counting points. I receive many kinds of sheets from players, and I've gotten used to doing my own accounting of the points, so I often just list things in plain text. GCS is a solid program though. I'm not sure if it has the DF templates built into it, but that would make building your knight even simpler.

No, I went through the contender template.  I must have missed that.  Style is karate. I'll make these changes and get back to you.  Thanks

Right, I think I was able to edit it as per the recommendations.

https://drive.google.com/file/...IrI/view?usp=sharing

please check it out and lemme know what you think.

Good idea for the point accounting, just note that Leadership, Strategy, and Tactics are +2 from Born War Leader and Fast-Draw is +1 from Combat Reflexes.

In reply to Vulco1 (msg # 25):

Which Karate style are you using?  I see you bought Hand Catch (awesome skill), but the only styles that have it are Italian Fencing, Viking Spear-Fighting, and Pro Wrestling.  Are we allowed to buy outside our styles?

If we were I wasn't aware of it.

Okay, I've got my character done, but... being in China, uploading to google docs is a total pain (downloading's just slow).  Is there a way for me to get around that?  In our last game, we all just e-mailed our character sheets to the GM.  Maybe I can e-mail it to someone to host?

ah yeah, I remember that from being in China, as well. I can't do email for this, but luck and later I'll try and remember what if any filesharing sites should still work for you through the Great Firewall.

I would say no, at least at first. Otherwise the premise "Contest of styles" becomes much weaker.




Edited to make note.

Nicole's martial artist:

https://drive.google.com/open?...ZzlLYVowTkprX19FQldr

You might want to edit that the bonuses are "not included" instead of just "included".

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I think that was a Judo Catch block, but that's been changed now.

https://drive.google.com/open?...ORyy8OXMORYRmos5J9Lg

I updated the character.

So, I feel like compared to Vulco and Nicole my character wound up having much lower skill levels. Was this just a result of the spread I had to work with? Also, how does Vulco's build have Ground Fighting if the style is pure Karate? None of the listed styles have Ground Fighting IIRC.

I see it listed in the martial arts book on page 64 and 152 as a skill Ground Fighting (Karate or Wrestling). And Karate does have a few ground fighting techniques in real life but certainly not as many as Jujitsu or wrestling. I didn't pick a specific style from the book, instead I just picked a few moves and invested in them.

As I'm reading it, the Contender build allows you to spend and spread about 50 points on skills/skill levels.

I looked pretty quickly and it seems like there are more discrete styles and techniques listed for Karate than Tai Chi Chuan, but looking through the description of Tai Chi indicates that you can justify just about any pushing, pulling or grappling technique or counter attack. So I think if you wanted to, you could do what I did and just raise those levels.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:35, Tue 02 Oct 2018.

Uhh, as I understood it, we're supposed to be doing the styles according to each style's template, not just picking and choosing according to what we feel suits each.

I was also just wondering, since I was investing in fewer techniques, how did I wind up with such comparatively low skill levels. I suppose since I picked a few more cinematic ones and fewer that fed directly off my main combat skill of Judo, I probably had less returns.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:49, Tue 02 Oct 2018.

Please pick a style and go with it. The premise for that combat is "Which style has the best fighter". We use fairly strictly limited templates for most of these fights, with occasional customization. The styles are core to character creation here.

You got it.  Will make the update soon

In seriousness, I have no idea if my Tai Chi Chuan build is bad or not. I guess I'll just wait and see and try my hand at a different style or build if it flops.

I'm probably going to join the martial arts fight, and will come up with a character in the next day or so.  I'll read the other threads if work allows, and consider them.

Never done cinematic Martial Arts before.  Should be an interesting learning experience.

https://drive.google.com/open?...iNQ93LjN694I25FjSXtP

Updated.  Kyokushin Karate

Baogang looks pretty good to me.  I definitely don't see him getting thrown out of the ring, and he has a nice mix of striking and grappling so we'll see.

Ahh see Vulco, now it looks like your fighter has a more balanced spread of skills like mine does rather than a ton up at sixteen or seventeen in spite of me being able to only raise one that high. Makes much more sense. Anyways looks good and should definitely be a challenge, a dangerous striker for sure.

https://drive.google.com/open?...BdI-Ry2AnsRjVdXveVAu made a final tweak to Baogang. Gave him Ambidexterity and Fitness instead of Pressure Point Resistance, figured they'd be more generally useful.

Speaking of Ambidexterity, which exact rules are we using from Martial Arts?

Returning to this...  like I said above, either fill out the disads or "buy them off".  Or just up the character points and disallow disads beyond a certain point.


There are a lot of disads that can directly impact combat on the Squire's templates:  Bloodlust, Code of Honor, One Eye, Sense of Duty, Vow, Wounded, Charitable, Easy to Read, Fanaticism, Intolerance, Overconfidence, Selfless, Stubbornness.

The two physical ones directly, the mental and social ones impact the actions a PC takes.  Overconfident character's won't back out of a fight unless they are sure they will lose (even if they aren't at that moment winning), Charitable ones won't finish 'downed enemies', etc.

Even Easy to Read makes it easier for an enemy to glean tactical info from the PC (if the enemy bothers).

Some are clearly less applicable to combat, but if we have other parts to the scenario, like Gathering Information checks before going into the fight, slow stealthy approaches, purchasing gear, etc, then other mental/social disads can impact how much information the PC rolls into the fight with (Bully and Impulsive penalizing social rolls), whether they can make a slow stealthy approach (Impulsive, Overconfident), how much starting funds they have (Compulsive Gambling/Carousing, Charitable, Disciplines of Faith), etc.

Even something like Disciplines of Faith can impact how much FP someone might be down (lack of sleep from having to rise early for morning prayers or maintaining a vigil or fasting), or if they start wounded (if their faith requires a scourging to purify themselves before battle).


I don't know about that.  I've been running and playing GURPS since 1988, but I still encounter stuff I've overlooked or forgotten.

I have gotten good at making sure disads are actually disadvantaging though.  I've had lots of Players try to slide by those "not really a disad" disads.  And been that Player.   ;)


If you really want to though, just disallow any disad you can't immediately figure out how to penalize in combat.  That's literally the simplest method.

(In this case though, keep the classic Knight v Dragon disads; CoH (Chivalry), Obsession (Dragonslaying), physical disads, etc)