OK, I don't have access yet, but when I do, I'll get started.  =)

Nightowl,

Feel free to link to the other game if you like.  I probably won't use it myself as it's just as easy for me copy the url of the pic to Google images and work off that as it would be to find it somewhere else but that's not to say that the other people tagging won't use it.

Hello all!

Just another newbie eagerly awaiting access so that we can get this tagging party started! lol

Newest members (welcome & thanks) have been given portrait tagging rights.

Please keep in mind the proposed changes above (msg #44).  Not set in stone at this stage, they're just things I thought of when doing a bunch of portrait tagging.  Would really appreciate feedback on that.

Female \ Creature \ Monster (and others, see below) really doesn't need the attention at this stage.  The number of tags in a category are as follows:

Category | Portraits | Tags | Tags per Portrait
---------+-----------+------+------------------
fh19     |        69 |    0 |  0.0
fh20     |        69 |    0 |  0.0
fsa      |       109 |    0 |  0.0
fsc      |        18 |    0 |  0.0
fsr      |         9 |    0 |  0.0
mh19     |       208 |    0 |  0.0
mmc      |       769 |    0 |  0.0
mmr      |       645 |    0 |  0.0
mms      |       213 |    0 |  0.0
msa      |       219 |    0 |  0.0
msc      |        57 |    0 |  0.0
msr      |        38 |    0 |  0.0
ncp      |       118 |    0 |  0.0
nfd      |        82 |    0 |  0.0
nfr      |        15 |    0 |  0.0
nfw      |        15 |    0 |  0.0
nmg      |         2 |    0 |  0.0
nmr      |         8 |    0 |  0.0
nms      |        24 |    0 |  0.0
nsa      |       182 |    0 |  0.0
msh      |       606 |    5 |  0.0
nsr      |       125 |    5 |  0.0
mmb      |       444 |   21 |  0.0
fmr      |       249 |   17 |  0.1
ncm      |       510 |  101 |  0.2
mcp      |        40 |    9 |  0.2
mcm      |       293 |   67 |  0.2
fsh      |       310 |  109 |  0.4
nsc      |        10 |    4 |  0.4
fmc      |       932 |  416 |  0.4
mh17     |       114 |   53 |  0.5
nsh      |        19 |    9 |  0.5
mmg      |       291 |  143 |  0.5
mfr      |       397 |  296 |  0.7
mfs      |       275 |  218 |  0.8
ffr      |       185 |  172 |  0.9
fms      |        40 |   39 |  1.0
mfw      |       450 |  509 |  1.1
mcl      |        11 |   13 |  1.2
fmg      |       238 |  294 |  1.2
ffs      |       457 |  609 |  1.3
nss      |        27 |   41 |  1.5
nmb      |        43 |   87 |  2.0
mh20     |       164 |  348 |  2.1
ncw      |        30 |   64 |  2.1
ncl      |       244 |  553 |  2.3
nh17     |        41 |  104 |  2.5
nmc      |        37 |  105 |  2.8
nca      |        58 |  193 |  3.3
mfd      |       503 | 2347 |  4.7
ffd      |       452 | 2206 |  4.9
nfs      |        17 |   90 |  5.3
ffw      |       161 |  869 |  5.4
fmb      |       604 | 3931 |  6.5
fh17     |        51 |  332 |  6.5
fcl      |         1 |    7 |  7.0
fcp      |        34 |  289 |  8.5
fcm      |       128 | 1117 |  8.7

Please concentrate on a the categories at the top of the table, thanks.  If you want to nominate a section for yourself then just say so.  The abbreviations above might not mean anything by looking at them, but once you go into the portrait area they'll hopefully make sense.  First letter is female/male/neutral, second letter is creatures/fantasy/historical/modern/sci-fi, last is the actual sections within.

Thanks again and happy tagging!

I'll get started on mh19 (although anyone else is certainly welcome to join me (= ).

What about portraits that seem to be in the wrong category?  There are a few that are supposedly 19th century that are more early 20th, like George O'Brien:

http://rpolportraits.shannara-rose.com/mh19008.jpg

Should we put the person's name in the tags if we find it?

Also, should "facepaint" be included somewhere?  Physical Traits, maybe?  Or should that just be under key words?

For attire, how about Vest, Headdress, and Tie?

Under Physical Traits, Sideburns?
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I am somewhat loathe to suggest adding anything more to the tick boxes, because I very much doubt I am going back through the portraits that have already been tagged just to see if they should be checked.

If someone else wants to, by all means ... :)

We've got the place to type in keywords - my suggestion would be to put it there.

I've been putting in the person's name, artist name, movie name, character name -- pretty much whatever I identify that seems relevant.

Other than that, I only put what I think someone else might remember / search for (at least when I remember to be consistent.)

Portraits are put where they 'appear' to fit, and that decision is made solely by the portrait editor at the time.  Portraits are going to stay in the category they're in unless jase wants to do a massive reorganization at some point in the future.  Unless you think someone is going to do a keyword search by date, I wouldn't worry about category correcting in the above situation.

There've already been quite a few 'Huh, THAT's a man???' type moments for me in tagging the FMB selection.  They won't be moved to a different category but I am, however, clicking the Male & Androgynous checkboxes in those situations.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:51, Thu 28 Feb 2013.

I think we have to ask ourselves when adding new traits--how often would a user be searching for that specific trait?

Hairstyles: I like Bun/Tied Up. I would add Braids to Plaits, since I know people that wouldn't know what you mean by Plaits. I don't think we need both a single and a plural version. I would put them all under Plait(s)/Braid(s). As much as I hate to add new categories, what about ponytails/pigtails?

Attire: Helmet would probably be a good one to add. I'm not sure people would search specifically for Headband, Strapless Top, Necklace, and Choker often enough to make it worth it to add those. I feel the same way about Earrings. If you wanted to include something along those lines, I would suggest a general Jewelry tag. That way those who don't want any jewelry could click it to exclude all jewelry--but I'm not convinced that we need to add jewelry at all.

Armour: Since you have Leather Armour and Metallic Armour, changing the plain Armour to Armour (Other) is probably a good idea.

Should we add pipe to the Cigar/Cigarettes, making it Cigar/Cigarettes/Pipe?

I liked the expanded weapon categories, instead of Weapon (Other).

Mad Mick,
I think tie is already covered by the Suit category. I don't think people would search for tie separate from suit often enough to be worth its own category. Same with Vest and Sideburns, I don't think they'd come up often enough to be worth it.

I think Facepaint and Headdress are worth consideration, but I understand we don't want to keep adding categories and we can't include every detail.

I am with Nightowl on all points. I have used 'Facepaint' as a write in tag several times, but would make that 'faicepaint/makeup' slightly less precise, but it would add those few extra pictures to make it more worth it as a tag, and the two are essentially the same thing until you chose how to apply them.

99.9 % of the female modern/business, casual and gangster categories would have the tag of makeup/facepaint

Yeah, not too many of the mh19 do, but there are some real puzzlers in the first five or so portraits.  Heavy warpaint and impressive headdresses.  I'll just use a "facepaint" label for them.

I agree with most of what has recently been stated, and for the record I have no problem scanning back over my tags to add stuff if we edit the existing tags. I was going to spend the better part of my day tagging so I'm aware if changes are made I'll have to go back lol.

I could definitely see use of the "facepaint" though I wouldn't add makeup onto that, as Shannara stated just about all the women would start qualifying for having regular makeup on. I think "jewelry" could be good and "helmet" is a good idea but I must admit I'm less familiar with the less modern looking pictures so I'm not sure how much "headdress" would come up or not.

I still don't seem to have access.

I would define Face Paint as things like Mel Gibson in Braveheart or Heath Ledger in The Dark Knight. Some superheroes and villains use face paint instead of masks. Several of the Native American pictures have face paint, and we have soldiers in the gallery with camouflage paint. I'm not saying we have to add it, just that I think it's worth considering. I would find it useful when searching to be able to exclude the pictures with Face Paint.

Regarding hairstyles, what if we made it Braids/Ponytails/Pigtails? I think they're all similar enough, but maybe that's just me.

Headdress could be applied to several of the Native American portraits, as well as some of the fantasy ones. It could include crowns, tiaras, and headbands. A few examples:
http://rpol.creativelass.net/ffd390.jpg
http://rpol.creativelass.net/ffs026.jpg
http://rpolportraits.shannara-rose.com/mfw249.jpg

Tagging is fun!

Here's some guys with facepaint and headdresses.  I just put extra labels in the box at the bottom.

http://rpolportraits.shannara-rose.com/mh19002.jpg
http://rpolportraits.shannara-rose.com/mh19003.jpg
http://rpolportraits.shannara-rose.com/mh19004.jpg

Yeah, I understand what you mean about the facepaint, though I could see it going either way as whether or not we need a specific tag or if we'll just type it in freetext, I guess it'll just be up to Jase if he wants to add it or not lol

I could totally see putting in Braids/Ponytails/Pigtails though I know not all ponytails would be braided or vice versa, I think it gives the user a good enough idea. I think one way or another we need something to denote having their hair up in some fashion, sometimes it is hard to just limit it to length when all you can see is that it's obviously tied back.

For now, I am just doing the same thing as Mad Mick :)

(P.S. I went ahead and tackled all of fh19 :D)

In reply to Nightowl (msg # 73):

Oops, fixed!  (c;


May I suggest a slight change to facepaint, and that's to make it war/facepaint?

Out of time, will read more and reply later!

Yes, I like War/Facepaint

FYI, I finished fh20, fsc, and fsr

Hey everyone, I just wanted to say that if anyone wants to pick up where I left off at FMS:26 that would be nice. I came down with a stomach bug today and haven't been able to make any progress.

EDIT: Never mind, I started feeling better after I ate a banana and finished off the section. FMS: done. (Recheck potentially needed, especially one photo, you will know when you find it, but the basic tagging job is done.)
This message was last edited by the player at 00:29, Sat 02 Mar 2013.

Cranking through, thanks.

This might not be the right thread for this, but i was wondering. Tags are enabled for pictures, but they are almost not filled. I would gladly volunteer to add tags to the female portraits. What needs to be done so that I can do that?

Jase would need to give you access to the tagging feature.

Posted the below in 2013.  Seeming there's hopefully going to be some activity going on I think it'd be worth proposing these changes a second time (as they never were done).

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I've been doing some tagging off and on, and have found some areas that I think need improving;

Hair Length/Style

• Currently:  Short | Medium/Bob | Long | Bald | Cropped | Spiked | Curls/Perm | Mohawk
• Add:  Bun/Tied Up | Plait/Braid (Single) | Plaits/Braids

Attire

• Currently:  Dress | Suit | Shirt | T-Shirt | Armour | None Visible | Bikini/Bathing Suit | Costume | Gown | Coat/Cloak | Hat/Cap | Hood | Turban | Mask | Scarf | Leather Armour | Metallic Armour
• Add:  Headband | Helmet | Strapless Top | Necklace | Choker | Shield

Note:  Is there some way we can get rid of the plain "armour" option?  Maybe "Armour (Leather)", "Armour (Metallic)", "Armour (Other)"?


Phsyical Traits

• Currently:  Piercings | Mustache | Beard | Tattoo | Eye Patch | Glasses | Wings
• Change:  Piercings -> Piercings (Other)
• Add:  Piercings (Earring(s))

Equipment and Accompaniments

• Currently:  Sword | Gun | Bow | Staff | Weapon (Other) | Cigar/Cigarettes
• Add:  Mace | (Battle)Axe | Hammer | Crossbow | Dagger(s)/Shortsword(s) | Blade (Other) | Blunt (Other) | Ranged (Other)
• Remove:  Weapon (Other)

This message was last edited by the GM at 04:15, Sun 08 Jan 2017.

My quick thoughts on additions and/or tweaks:

Plaits:  Not sure how common the term is in other countries, but in the US it's generally braids instead of plaits.  Plaits might confuse some people.

Add:
Corset (I like bustier, too, but it's less common

Head scarf: the general scarf tends to call up visions of something tied around the neck.  This would cover the more common pirate or hippie type of scarf.

Veil: definitely different than a mask

Shield: some of the pics show one

In reply to Evil Empryss (msg # 83):

Edited my post.

Added braid.  Wondering now if we really need to distinguish if there's one or multiple.

On a similar vein, should we also have "ponytail" and "pigtails"?

Corset -- can't see why this can't be added.  "Corset/Bustier"?

Scarf.. almost added Scarf (Head) and Scarf (Neck), but do we really need two options just for scarves?  Seems a bit excessive.  Can we just have both covered by the one option?  Or is a scarf around the head just a headband, which I've already suggested?

Veil -- Good suggestion.  So we make it "Mask/Veil", or are they worthy of their own options?  Pretty different so I'm leaning toward two options.

Shield is there under attire, though a case could certainly be made for having it under equipment.

I like having only one Plaits/Braids selection -- no need for single or multiple.  I think pigtails generally fall under braids and shouldn't need its own section.

I like your 'Corset/Bustier' combo.

I think for brevity's sake Mask/Veil is acceptable and makes it easy to tag (rather than having to fuss over exactly which it is if it's something covering the lower half of the face).

Damn, missed the shield because I was looking in equipment.  I recommend placing it there instead of in Attire, since you don't exactly wear a shield as such.  My litmus test for clothing is whether or not you'd go to bed in it.  Armor may be uncomfortable, but you technically could sleep in it.

Headbands are a distinctly different item from a headscarf (or head scarf, depending on how you write it).  Headbands (like ffr #165) go over the head from ear to ear to hold hair back.  Head scarves are generally tied around the forehead (ffr #184) or cover the top of the head completely (ffr #005).  Actually, headbands are common in a lot of anime, so a tag for those might be useful.

And how about adding Crown/Circlet and Helm (or helmet)?  Someone looking for royalty pics would find those tags helpful.