As John said in his game thread on Order and Chaos magic. He is the GM.  I got what I got from L.E. Modestit Jr.'s Saga of Recluse novels (all fourteen or so).

John, perhaps you're right to do your magic differently.  I can see at least one major advantage to such.

As to supercharacters, you seem to be handling this well.  Its more difficult to do such a thing, but thats merely means do so with caution.  Its not an absolute forbiddance.

In reply to Tadeusz (msg # 972):

Even so much as introducing a supercharacter, is harmful in an I game. At best you will be more worried about constraining that character to prevent it from being a crutch, or at worst, being a crutch, or an example for the player to aspire to and likely want to exceed.

I've never really understood the need for Referee controlled super characters.  A beginning PC might need a Mentor or guide to help him get started.  A continuing PC might seek the services of an expert in a certain field.  But why should any PC desire, need, or want to hang out with someone so powerful, that the PC is effectively powerless?

In reply to Misty (msg # 974):



Have you at any point felt effectively powerless here? That's the idea, what you want to avoid. Seriously, I'd like to know. That's why I'm limiting him. He was here to give you the Chaos blades and to teach you a little about wilderness survival. But he wasn't hovering over you, doing everything for you, you got to make your own choices and got some cool gear to take with you. It is my goal as a referee to learn to run a supercharacter so as not to overshadow the player. Am I succeeding?

   Don't you think Misty is capable of finding her own repercussions?  Have you read her old threads?  (I might be prejudiced, but I think they are pretty entertaining.)  MH showed up when Misty was confronting the Townies about their trusted townie turned bad guy.  Did she need his help?   Misty offered to buy food for the town.  MH one upped her by having her take three deer, which weren't really needed, and pushing a button on a box on command to do everything.  When Misty is on her own, she gets things done.  When she is with MH, he does the things.

I don't know. Did she know enough about Slidehammer?



Yeah, but you still get to do things. You push a button and are teleported to a place miles away, your clothes are completely changed, and you had no idea what was going to happen. Really, all he did for you was put you into an awkward, unknown situation. And Misty dealt with it splendidly.
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In reply to Tadeusz (msg # 972):



And what would that major advantage be? The way I run the Order/Chaos magic just seems to me to be common sense. If you remove Order, the Chaos will flourish and the thing will rot. If you remove Chaos, the Order will flourish and it will heal. Just seems like common sense to me.

Its simpler. Modestit's magic system twists the brain around at times, so that even when I was doing it, I was often not sure I was doing it right.

Also, yours is more direct, whereas with Modestit's you're running into major problems all the time.

I think Modestit's is better, but I also think its a very heavy load to carry.
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What Misty said is not wrong.  You managed to limit the supercharacter enough to make it doable, and useful in game so in my opinion you did well as a GM.  I was quite impressed.  As a GM I would give you a 'new use mark' to gm skill for pulling off a difficult trick.

Well, the thing is, I am improving. When I hear "The Supercharacter does everything for you" what I hear is "The Supercharacter does EVERYTHING for you." For example, when I was running Glantri, Him, Magehammer and another NPC ran into an opponent that Glantri probably could have taken out with his bare hands. The Supercharacter completely rejected his idea of how to deal with it and used magic to make the problem go away. That would be doing EVERYTHING for the player. See what I mean? Now, same situation, Magehammer would look at Misty and say "It's all yours." Some of you are talking like the NPCs should do absolutely nothing for the player. What's the difference if the NPC is super or not? They can still do EVERYTHING for the player.

John, its an interesting question. I will be glad to discuss it for a bit, in one week's time, but not earlier.

And yes, you have improved, which is why I said 'new use' mark for Gm skill.
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Hopefully tommorrow night will be Gordonsburg Church of Christ for theirdd dinner and fireworks.  I'll bring some food from Wally World for our part, perhaps a fruit tray as thats always popular in the hot South, and because while my cooking skills are perfectly adequate, thats also the best thing that can be said for them most of the time too.

Or as my boys put it 'Daddy, we'd be glad to eat food if you made gooooood food.'   Sigh

I think my daddy would probably have responded with something like "You can eat it or you can starve." He's dead though, so I can't be sure.

As far as NPCs doing things for players, Eric, even you have, on occasion, left me with "Only option: Follow NPC" and I AM the supercharacter of the stories I'm in. That's the point I was trying to make. It didn't happen often enough to complain about though. I only mention it now because of the circumstances.

My family always has two choices for dinner... take it or leave it.

(Waves arms overhead)  Hello, verser here needs world.  Works cheap.  Does own stunts.

Yeah, I got a little overzealous with creating truly evil characters and Oak shut the game down. She's a great player. Creative, fun to play with. She will always have an open seat at my gaming table if she should ever change her mind about playing with me.

There. I gave you my personal endorsement. No bad feelings on this end.

(Doing Therapy)
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A friendly reminder: Worldwalker carries neither an Adult rating nor a Mature rating, so all Worldwalker threads must avoid inappropriate content.

Folks wishing to run Adult or Mature threads and/or games are welcome to create their own RPoL games with the appropriate rating.  But these are Worldwalker's constraints.  :)

Dumb question. Why not just change Worldwalker's rating?

(Doing Therapy)

This is the rating that Eric set originally, with his specific preference to avoid profanity, etc.

This is also the rating that has been advertised to all players over the last 9.5 years, and who joined on that basis.

Worldwalker has been (and will continue to be) a place where folks can enjoy roleplaying without Adult or Mature rated material.

I am one of them.  If Worldwalker was an Adult rated game, I wouldn't participate at all.  And if Worldwalker was a Mature rated game, I wouldn't GM it.

Different folks may have different preferences for ratings.  It is quite easy for folks to set up their own games on RPoL, with whatever rating they desire.  :)

Like I said. Dumb question. But then, there are those that would say the only dumb question is the one you don't ask.

Thanks for explaining that. I wish I had known that before.

Sorry for the trouble, I just like creating really evil villains.

(Doing Therapy)

Misty, I'll do the same thing as McCallister. Sign you up for one world.

I'm soooo there.  Thank you.

Yeah, Eric is a great GM. I would recommend him to anyone who was a little off their rocker. (Like myself, you, and most of the people I know.) Prepare to have some AWESOME games Misty!!!!!

There Eric, now I have given /you/ my personal endorsement!!!!!!

(Doing Therapy)

Blush. Thanks ya'll.

And John if you want to keep on running my character you can, although I'm as you know kind of boring.

Since you've not said anything, I kind of figured you didn't mind that I wasn't replying. I'll pick that back up.

Thanks for your kind words Eric. You're a cool dude. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise.

I'll do this here, and hope to be transferred at our Lord and Master's convenience for the pressures of his life do seek to compress him.  Non carborundam!

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You wake thrilled.  Your body wants to jump up and run ten miles.  The air is thick, heavy, redolent with a hundred smells.  Each breath is like eating a chocolate sundae.

Dripping vines hang over you, and ferns shadow your face from the clouded sky.  Gravity feels normal, although its kinda hard to say what with the energy surging through you, begging you to run, run...

But caution keeps you steady, and you look about to see an oak and a palm and a fir, all bedecked with vines, on which grow other tendrils, and the ground is thick with moss.  Nearby you can hear the burble of a stream. A brilliant pink macaw?? is scolding you in words that your mind does not know, but your heart does.

"Thief! Scum! Go away."

Its no language you've ever heard, and it has strange contours to it, but you understand it somehow.

PM me with your desired new game thread title, and we will be all set.

Meanwhile, it looks like this OOC thread is almost full.  Time for a new one...  :)