Starchaser
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Wed 1 Nov 2017
at 07:10
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
Thats actually a simple but great idea! Thanks.
bigbadron
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Wed 1 Nov 2017
at 07:12
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
Character sheets are always visible to the GM, and to the owning player.

If you give a character the tag "hidden", rather than "NPC", that character will not appear in the Cast List.
JohnB
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Wed 1 Nov 2017
at 08:49
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
bigbadron:
If you give a character the tag "hidden", rather than "NPC", that character will not appear in the Cast List.



In all these years, I never knew that! You learn something every day.  :)
bigbadron
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Wed 1 Nov 2017
at 11:28
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
In reply to JohnB (msg # 5):

Don't feel bad.  It's pretty new.
JohnB
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Wed 1 Nov 2017
at 11:34
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
In reply to bigbadron (msg # 6):

Last ten years or so?  ;)
steelsmiter
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Wed 1 Nov 2017
at 15:32
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
JohnB:
In reply to bigbadron (msg # 6):

Last ten years or so?  ;)

Something like 2. I seem to remember a previous discussion on it now, but I'd forgotten it since it's not one of the tool tips on the Edit Characters page.
JohnB
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Wed 1 Nov 2017
at 16:17
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
Ahh.  That explains it then two years ago is certainly in the last ten years.  Must be at least that long since I last followed the discussion threads.
Starchaser
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 07:58
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
Thanks for all the help guys!
JohnB
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 13:53
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
Ahh.  The 'hidden' tag also stops a character showing up in the drop down list in Character Details page as well  :(

This message was last edited by the user at 16:39, Thu 02 Nov.

steelsmiter
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 16:22
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
JohnB:
Ahh.  The 'hidden' tag also stops a character showing up in then drop down list in Character Details page as well  :)

It's part of the reason why I just make a separate Plot Details thread rather than just bothering to make the characters with hidden tags. Turns out I can't get the sheet to work.
pdboddy
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 17:14
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
In reply to JohnB (msg # 11):

Can you not switch out the hidden tag for NPC when you need to work with the sheet or details, and switch it back when you are done?
Starchaser
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 17:33
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
But doing that would make the character visible to other players whilst you were editing them.
JohnB
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 17:53
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
In reply to pdboddy (msg # 13):

And much more painful than keeping  the character sheets in a separate thread.
pdboddy
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 18:10
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
In reply to Starchaser (msg # 14):

For a few, brief moments though, yes?
JohnB
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 18:50
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
No point  :)  It is easier, and takes less time, to keep them all in one big thread, then I don't need to mess about tag changing.

It is useful if I want to make a character appear to drop off the face of the earth game.  But not really helpful if I am designing a bunch of NPCs, which means I probably go back to them half a dozen times -  and having to changethe Tags every time. that i do
steelsmiter
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 18:52
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
JohnB:
It is useful if I want to make a character appear to drop off the face of the earth

I hope that doesn't backfire and make players think they should drop off the face of the earth. I've had several inactives tell me that they left because so and so left.
evileeyore
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 19:11
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
steelsmiter:
Turns out I can't get the sheet to work.

What do you mean by that?  In what way is it not working?
pdboddy
 member, 561 posts
Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 19:14
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
In reply to evileeyore (msg # 19):

When you hide a character, be it NPC or player, their sheet goes too.

EDIT: Though, however, in trying just now, you can.

This message was last edited by the user at 19:16, Thu 02 Nov.

evileeyore
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 19:34
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
Okay... what do you mean by "their sheet goes too"?  It 'disappears' and is unaccessible?  What's the point of that?
steelsmiter
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Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 19:34
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
pdboddy:
When you hide a character, be it NPC or player, their sheet goes too.

EDIT: Though, however, in trying just now, you can.

Does it work just because they started off NPC or player, or can you start as hidden and do it?
pdboddy
 member, 562 posts
Thu 2 Nov 2017
at 19:46
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
In reply to steelsmiter (msg # 22):

That I don't know.  I was taking NPCs, changing them to hidden, then using the GM menu to edit sheets/descriptions.
Starchaser
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Fri 3 Nov 2017
at 07:01
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
O.k. So I just ran a quick test. I created a character with the tag hidden.

The character did not show in the cast list
I could not access the character via the Character Details menu

BUT The GM menu allowed me to do everything you would normally be able to do with a character INCLUDING edit their character sheet (via the edit character sheets menu)
steelsmiter
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Fri 3 Nov 2017
at 07:23
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
that's cool, except where I couldn't edit the portrait because the character "no longer participates in the game".
Starchaser
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Fri 3 Nov 2017
at 07:38
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
Well I havent tried that but adding the portrait once the character is revealed isnt such a biggie for me.
steelsmiter
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Fri 3 Nov 2017
at 07:48
Re: NPCs and groups and Character Sheets.
It has the potential to be for me if the game's slow and I don't remember to put the link to the image in the character sheet. If I have reason to believe the character will be revealed relatively quickly, then it's not.