I really have to contest all that constitution damage. There's no way that gets to go off without a save. Even Ugrim got saves vs Con and Str damage during his Endurance match forever ago against that swarm of leaches and they effectively do the same thing as the Stirges.

Granted, that was forever ago and maybe things have changed since then, but I'm going to ask GM Sehlysdre's opinion on this matter just to get a double GM ruling on it and then we'll go from there.

In the mean time the Dragon will take an AoO against one of the charging stirges.

16:49, Today: Madam Opal rolled 14 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 4. AoO vs stirge. (Hit)
16:53, Today: Madam Opal rolled 26 using 2d6+16 with rolls of 6,4. Damage.

The dragon chomps down on one of the stirges, killing it instantly.

The swarms gave a save because they don't roll to do the damage, they do it just by being there (so the save is added to avoid an automatic success effect).  The stirges have to hit to apply their damage (which means it is not an automatic success effect) and it doesn't apply any conditions, but damage (as Arkrim said, so it doesn't get an extra save to reduce the duration).  Anyway, calling for a GM ruling again is totally your call.

To amend my earlier post because of the mean dragon biting the poor stirge to death: 6 con damage ,down from 7. (Assuming Sehlysdre doesn't overturn Arkrim's ruling on the damage.)

OOC: Okay, I double checked it. So, Madam Opal is right. This is a weird one:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/basics...Ability-Score-Damage:

Ability Score Damage
Diseases, poisons, spells, and other abilities can all deal damage directly to your ability scores. This damage does not actually reduce an ability, but it does apply a penalty to the skills and statistics that are based on that ability.

So technically, "ability damage" is a misnomer. It's not damage. It's an ongoing penalty which means it does actually require a saving throw for half (or negates in this case since it's only 1 per). I think I learned this before and just forgot. Pathfinder actually changed ability damage to no longer be true damage. It's just a penalty and "damage" is just the name of it. *eye roll* Weird but there you go.

Considering every other point of constitution lost effectively deals [creature's HD] damage, it's not any stronger than your average sword hit...
Shouldn't it be half damage rounded down, minimum 1 ?
If I cast and fireball that deals 1 fire damage, would you negate the damage entirely on a successful save?

Regarding it being damage:

It calls it damage, even when talking about it's effects. "This damage" does not actually reduce an ability score.  So, the effect of the accumulated damage is a penalty.  (Which is good, because then you would have to wait 4 levels instead of 1 day to have a point fixed.)  Instead of reducing the score, the damage's effect is to penalize things based on the score once you accumulate two points of the damage.  (Which is good, because it doesn't hurt even or odd ability scored more, it just hurts everyone at the same increment.)  Also, the damage stays until it is healed not for a duration.

Finally, from http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...ge-penalty-and-drain (our official source), there is a separate paragraph dealing with ability score penalties, which it says are different.




If, however, it is ruled to still be a penalty (and that the minimum damage is 0), I'd like to re-do my last turn.  (I would not have spent two full turns summoning creatures that have no in game effect other than to ask for the opponent to please roll a 1, and penalize themselves.)

OOC: Opal is functioning as referee, so she'll make those calls. I'm just clarifying disputes. No time. I think it's weird too but the way they changed how it works, its clearly a penalty and not damage (as odd as I think it is they still call it damage when they do that, it seems counter-intuitive to keep a name that's clearly a mislabeling).

Hmm.  Something occurred to me . . . can you actually 5-ft step up?  It takes double movement to go up, so I wasn't sure.

I'm fairly certain you can. I don't remember where it was or who was involved in the fight (Probably me) but i think the ruling was no matter in which way you 5-foot step while flying, can move one 5-foot square as long as the check to do so is made. (As opposed to being able to take a 5-foot step down through 2 squares or not being able to ascend 5-feet at all with a 5-foot step.)

Now to be a referee on what has just gone down. Theres a part of me that says no your stuck with it. However, the good person inside of me says you can have your turn. So instead of deciding one way or another myself, I'll just let the gods of fate decide it for me.

Thraxis, roll 1d100. if its 51-100, you may redo your turn. If its a 1-50, the swarm of stirges stays and i'll be rolling 7 fort saves every round to negate the con "damage."

speaking of con damage, I'm going to retroactively roll vs those first two stirges con damage as well.
23:13, Today: Madam Opal rolled 18,25 using 1d20+10,1d20+10 with rolls of 8,15. Fort save vs con damage x2. (Dragon passes both saves.)

Thraxis, let's see what the gods of fate have in store for you.

07:22, Today: Thraxis rolled 60 using 1d100 with rolls of 60. To turn (51-100), or not to turn.

I'll have a different turn up this evening.

T = Thraxis
A = Ankou
N = Nyssa
K = Krumm
E = Elaith
S = 2 Stirges (height +2)

  ROUND: Round 2 (20) (mulligan!)
POSITION: B1 to F2
 ACTIONS: Cast Invisibility (standard), move to F2 (move), draw wand (free part of move)


 HP: 66/66 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 19;  FFAC: 17; Touch: 12
CMD: 16; FFCMD: 14; FFTAC: 10


  EFFECTS: Stirges (2/60), Invisible (1/60)
  GEAR: Backpack, Beltpouch, Potionsx5 (beltpouch), Wandsx1 (sheathed), Wand of Infernal Healing (in hand), Dagger (in hand), Cloak, Quick Runners Shirt, Breastplate (-1, Light)
  USES: Summon Monster 1/9, Lv 2 spells 1/3, Lv 1 spells 0/5

Minion: Stirges (2)  Positions: E5+2,  http://paizo.com/pathfinderRPG...s/stirge.html#stirge
 Actions: Release grapple (free), attack (Standard)
 Effects: Augment Summoning, Ferocious Summons, Summon Neutral Monster, attached (no dex to ac)

DICE ROLLS:
21:13, Today: Thraxis rolled 17 using 1d20+7 with rolls of 10. Stirge 1 Touch attack.
21:14, Today: Thraxis rolled 15 using 1d20+7 with rolls of 8. Stirge 2 Touch attack.


   SUMMARY: Thraxis disappears then moves drawing a wand.

OOC: 2 dc 12 fort saves to avoid 1 con damage each.

01:54, Today: Madam Opal rolled 15,18 using 1d20+10,1d20+10 with rolls of 5,8. fort saves vs Con damage DC12.

Ankou, i await your official post.

The Ankou was slowly dying... It would be over for him very quickly.
 The Executionet kept attacking, but failed miserably.

   ROUND: 2 (initiative : 19)
POSITION: F4
 ACTIONS:  none

 HP: -11/72 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 16; FFAC: 14; Touch: 12
CMD: 17; FFCMD: 15; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: aspect of the bull 60/60
   GEAR: - Backpack;  Belt Pouch; Dagger; Shirt; Scythe; Headband; Hooked Lance; Scroll; Scroll; (-0 ACP, Light Load)

   USES: Spells : lvl1 1/6, lvl2 0/5 ; Animal Focus 1/6 ; Bane 0/6 ; Relentless Footing 0/8 ; Inner Strength 0/1

Minion: Executioner the smart War Bull (size large, reach 5ft)
Position: G5-H6, HP 45/45
 AC: 22; FFAC: 20; Touch: 11
CMD: 25; FFCMD: 23; FFTAC: 9
 Equipment: Headband of vast intelligence +2
 Actions: power attack(standard)
 Effects: aspect of the Bull

DICE ROLLS:
17:32, Tue 18 Aug: Ankou rolled 12,29 using D20+11,3d6+19 with rolls of 1,6,2,2. Executioner power attack.
17:31, Tue 18 Aug: Ankou rolled 6 using 1d20+3 with
 

(Remember gang, fire attacks do 1.5 the amount of damage rolled. Kruum, that means your attack against the dragon actually dealt a total of 61 damage. Dragons are tough, but the younger they are, the easier they are to kill unfortunately.)

The dragon looks mildly displeased as Krumm's first ray strikes in and causes it to lose it's concentration on flying. flapping it's wing's once more, it ascends into the sky and unleashes a flurry of attacks upon it's aggressors once more, focusing his attacks upon the Bull. The dragon, however, uses one of it's wings to pierce though the unconscious Ankou's heart, ensuring that he shall not be revived to pester the dragon further.

The dragon's time was short however, he could feel it. He let out a howl of anger towards Kruum, indicating him as his next target should he fail to kill him.


   ROUND: Round 1 (9)
POSITION: E5/F6 to E6+1/F6+1
 ACTIONS: Full Power Attack -3 to hit +3 through 9 to damage (full round)

 HP: 56/165 (0 nonlethal)
 AC 22, touch 10, flat-footed 21, flat touch 9
 CMD 28 (32 vs. trip) FCMD 27 (31 vs trip)

EFFECTS:

   GEAR:
 Teeth, Claws, wings, and a tail. Also scales.

   USES: lvl 1 Spells - (0/4)

DICE ROLLS:

11:44, Today: Madam Opal rolled 14 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 1.  DC27 fly to not Fall. (Fail)

11:44, Today: Madam Opal rolled 31 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 18.  DC20 fly check. (Pass)

11:30, Today: Madam Opal rolled 18 using 1d20+13 with rolls of 5.  Fly check DC10. (Pass)

11:15, Today: Madam Opal rolled 20 using 1d20+14 with rolls of 6.  Bite Power Attack vs Bull AC22. (Miss)

11:16, Today: Madam Opal rolled 22,26 using 1d20+13,1d20+13 with rolls of 9,13.  2 Power Attack Claws vs Bull AC22. (Both Hit)
11:16, Today: Madam Opal rolled 11,15 using 1d8+8,1d8+8 with rolls of 3,7.  Claw x2 Damage. (+6 more damage is 32 damage, power attack was not added correctly.)

11:19, Today: Madam Opal rolled 21 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 10.  Power Attack Wing vs Ankou AC9~. (Hit)
11:21, Today: Madam Opal rolled 28 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 17.  Power Attack Wing vs Bull AC22. (Hit)
11:25, Today: Madam Opal rolled 8 using 1d6+5 with rolls of 3.  wing damage - Bull.
11:24, Today: Madam Opal rolled 10 using 1d6+5 with rolls of 5.  Wing Damage - Ankou.

11:26, Today: Madam Opal rolled 16 using 1d20+11 with rolls of 5.  Power Attack Tail vs Bull AC 22. (Miss)

SUMMARY:
Executioner takes a total of 42 damage from the dragon. Ankou takes 10 damage, more than likely killing him outright.

OOC: Yeah, I didn't think the dragon was going to land every single one of his attacks for the second round in a row. You got luck this time Bull!

I think Krumm had already applied the +50% damage to his result.
 Ankou is dead and well dead; go ahead gang guys, avenge me!!

OOC: I did, in fact, already apply the +50% damage

"BURN!" Krumm yells as he fires another volley of rays at the Dragon.

ROUND: Round 2 (3)
POSITION: E10
ACTION: Cast Scorching Ray, (Standard), Fire Scorching Rays (free)

 HP: 119/119 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 18; FFAC: 17; Touch: 13
CMD: 25; FFCMD: 23; FFTAC: 9

EFFECTS: - Bloodrage
   GEAR: - Chainmail, Cloak, Amulet, Ring, Belt, Javelin, Potionx5, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling
   USES: - Bloodrage (2/19), 1st level spells (0/2), 2nd Level Spells (2/2), Cloak (0/3), Hero Points (-1)

DICE ROLLS: - 06:22, Today: Krumm rolled 17,18 using 1d20+6,4d6 with rolls of 11,6,4,6,2.  Scorching Ray vs. Dragon (Hero point reroll).
06:20, Today: Krumm rolled 15,12,11,18 using 1d20+6,4d6,1d20+6,4d6 with rolls of 9,3,1,6,2,5,6,4,4,4.  Scorching Rays at Dragon (vs. Touch AC).
SUMMARY: - Krumm fires two scorching rays at the dragon, dealing a total of 45 damage to it.

I see where my flub was now. I added your attack rolls together as your damage. :P

Can someone do a calculation on the dragon's current HP? I'm at work for the next few hours and won't have time to.

I think he has 1 hp left ;)

25 HP, if I'm not mistaken.  That may change shortly.

Nyssa moves to where she can get a better shot at the dragon, then lets another arrow loose that also flies alarmingly close to Elaith.  This arrow strikes the dragon true, burning with a supernatural fire against all those of dragonkind.  While the dragon is momentarily distracted, Elaith launches her attack, savaging the dragon with two bites and a claw, bringing it to the ground.

T = Thraxis
A = Ankou
N = Nyssa
K = Krumm
E = Elaith
S = 2 Stirges (height +2)


  ROUND: Round 3 (24)
POSITION: I10 to F10
 ACTIONS: Move to F10 (move), Attack using Friendly Fire (Standard)

 HP: 60/60 (1 nonlethal)
 AC: 21; FFAC: 15; Touch: 16
CMD: 22; FFCMD: 16; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Animal Focus (Tiger) 3/60, Telepathic Link 3/10, Low Light Vision -, Bane: Dragons 2/6
   GEAR: Backpack, Belt Pouch, Cloak, Belt, Arrows (100), Composite Longbow, Longbow, Mithral Chain Shirt, Spiked Gauntlet (x2), Morningstar, Dagger (ACP 0, Light Load)
   USES: Telepathic Link 1/6; 1st Level Spells 0/5; 2nd Level Spells 0/4; Bane 2/6

Minion: Small Cat Animal Companion (Elaith)
 F7, HP 60/60, [AC 23, FFAC 18, TAC 15, CMD 21, FFCMD 16, FFTAC 10]
 Actions: AoA due to Friendly Fire (Free), Full Attack (Full)
 GEAR: Studded Leather Barding (ACP -1, Light Load)
 Effects: Animal Focus (Tiger) -, Telepathic Link 3/10, Light 3/600, Low Light Vision -, Scent -

DICE ROLLS:
15:44, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 8 using 1d4+4 with rolls of 4.  Elaith bite damage. (that should be labeled claw, but the die is right for claw).
15:44, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 5 using 1d6+4 with rolls of 1.  Elaith bite damage.
15:43, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 17 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 7.  Elaith Claw 2.
15:43, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 27 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 17.  Elaith Claw 1.
15:42, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 29 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 19.  Elaith Bite Attack.
15:42, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 8 using 1d6+4 with rolls of 4.  Elaith AoO damage.
15:41, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 25 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 15.  Elaith AoO vs Dragon from Friendly Fire.
15:40, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 12,6 using 1d8+7,2d6 with rolls of 5,4,2.  Damage vs Dragon.
15:39, Today: Nyssa Quess rolled 24 using 1d20+15 with rolls of 9.  Nyssa bow attack vs dragon (partial cover AC 24) using friendly fire.
   SUMMARY: Nyssa hits the dragon for 18 damage, then Elaith hits multiple times for a total of 21 damage, which should bring the dragon to -14.

OOC: I think that's it for the dragon?  If the dragon is still somehow alive and also in the air, Elaith may want to make a 5ft step (and then a surprise shift to make a second 5ft step as a swift action) to D5.

The dragon falls to the ground dead.

Good game guys. Post your BP and the GMs will get your stuff in order (i guess)


The Dragon is dead! Team T.A.N.K. takes the victory. The Ankou was killed during the fight. He is survived by his Bull, Executioner.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:57, Wed 26 Aug 2015.

Thraxis exists and used no hero points.

Krumm has 513 BP and used 1 Hero Point.

Nyssa has 438 BP and used no Hero Points.

The Ankou has 376 BP and used no hero point.

WINNER: Team T.A.N.K.