A dire bear is not diseased nor looks deceased. Its just bigger, stronger and tougher. Also, I'm assuming you got the weapon drawn on a cub or in general on the group. In Sams eyes-its a bad thing and you have a weapon and are heading for the group plus he doesn't know you. Keep in mind also you never seen a dire bear probably. So not really sure how a dire bear cub isn't cute? Its a matter of opionion. Really its a matter of opinion.

As I said I looked at the description of a dire bear in pathfinder and it emphasizes matted fur that’s broken in places by wicked bony growths.

So unless your hand waving it as a larger then average bear, it’s covered in bone…. Spikes? Chunks? Coming out of its fur likely randomly.

If I met a larger then normal animal with random chunks of bone sticking out of its fur I can promise you I’d be thinking less floofy and more resident evil.

Also she’s publicly stating the bear needs to be put down so Sam should be able to figure out why she’s loading a crossbow?

I get it but ICly you load a bolt and start walking towards the group. Sam doesn't know you. Probably didn't see the magic you did as he was fighting the bear and views this as what he will do-protect the group. New person still involved moving at them.

Sams eyes-Dire Bears are bad but stumbling across a mother or father with a cub in the wilderness that's protecting it? I get it.

Not handwaving anything. Kill it, move on. OOC, cool. IC? Not everyone will be willing to back it. Haile's a ranger that doesn't seem to want to fight animals but will. So its up to Dream and if the ranger wants to put it down-alright.

I like the climatic thing!

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 253):

Sure; the entire reason she took a round to load her crossbow rather then attack was to allow party chat. but to be fair Doves not ‘approaching’. She’s been standing there for 2 rounds and just took her crossbow off her bag and began loading it.

Alright, posted edited. Thought you were approaching. Its all good!

Okay so at this point questions;
Are we still in a combat round?
I generally assume we can’t use social skills on other PCs but should I be throwing down social skills on Sam since he’s technically an NPC?

No not in combat and no cannot use any social skills to pull off getting what the group wants from Sam because hes a NPC. Now if he was enchated or whatnot, I'd allow it. I view him as a PC not a NPC.

Ironcially you can heal the bear Dove :)

Dream: Come on...

lol

Honestly I didn't expect the group to possibly get a Dire Bear Cub.

Oh I was just thinking of intimidation honestly.

Well Dove became the new leader lol.

Everyone just met Dove. And Sam is defensive. I think it'll be clear up when Sam drops his charade of being a bum.

I made Sam and when he meets a new person, he's not going to automatically be like 'Your my best friend' :) Sam isn't a bad guy.

Ironically, Sam has Fire Resistance and Evasion!
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:25, Sat 07 Aug 2021.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 260):

Actually I’d state Jem did. Dove just wasn’t willing to get her life threatened again and take it.

Also she teeechnically didn’t threaten to kill Sam; just set him on fire. But that’s semantics.

Well burning him is a threat that can possibly kill him but that's null and void.

Updated my OOC post btw.

In reply to Dungeon Master (msg # 260):

Yes but Dove doesn’t know that :)

Geez everyone against Sam. No love.

Jem's CG, so he really doesn't want to bark orders to people or anything.

But Sam trying to run things by threatening to kill people with a crossbow (and I can't believe I have to type this) was not acceptable.

Let me put forth my reasoning.

Even if sam thought she was threatening the party (which is weird considering she could have stabbed us in the back when we were fighting the bear, and is a mage who was literally casting magic missile in the fight) it was pretty clear she was talking about the bear cub and saying it was unwise to heal it.

To discourage her, he didn't say "no", or "the others decide" or even "Halie decides, end of story" or even lightly imply violence with a "You shoot that bear and you'll be sorry."

Nope, he drew a crossbow and straight-up threatened to drop her the second she questioned the wisdom of healing the bear (which was immediately jumped into without PC discussion), and then when asked to please town it down and talk this out, ordered Jemimwitt NOT to tell him to chill.

There is a difference between being a taciturn spy and being a violent killhappy edgelord.

Sam told Dove to drop it as he felt the group was threatened. Also, I appreciated your view on it. Also its the bear not the cub. In his eyes-she drew a weapon. Doesn't matter what she is doing with it. The way I went about it was wrong but that's how Sam thinks.

Sam doesn't threaten no one so not sure what that came from. He never threaten Jem or anyone (besides Dove but that was once or twice) He doesn't trust Dove. No one asked why. No one got into it or asked him why.

Sam and Jem will talk later if Sam is around. He gets it and was/is upset but everyone backing Dove in his eyes makes no sense either.

Sams got a shortbow not a crossbow BTW.

Keep in mind: She threatened to burn Sam yet that apparently wasn't take into consideration. It seems like the post was against Sam. So did Jem say anything? Nope.

Just my 2 cents. I don't want to keep going back and forth with this and want to lighten the mood.

In reply to Jemimwitt Haethy (msg # 265):

Only thing you got wrong was that Sam drew his bow because Dove was Armed. That said, Dove did take out her crossbow to give the party time to object or approve.

It's amusing because if Dove had a K: Nature check she might not have been so quick on 'we should kill it', albeit she probably would have gotten there eventually. Dire bears are scary as hell when you consider them both attitude and look wise. They sound hyper territorial which means the cub is pretty much just incidental, it would have tried to murder us just for being in 'its road'.

Actually looking at the post he drew after you (and has Quickdraw). So your wrong in that aspect, Dove. He wouldn't have drawn the bow if he felt safe.

Either way, seems like everyone is against Sam yet Dove threatened to burn him but that was overlooked which baffles me. But eh.

Oh god yes Dire Bears look evil but the way it was approache was bad. Dream came around the corner with his scimitar drawn which in its eyes threatend the bear and its cub hence it attacked. The group walked into its terratory. So it defended itself.

As for 'which baffles me'.... your pool is Jem. And Jem called out both of them at first before Sam stormed off. So I'm confused what you mean about her threat being overlooked. Dream hasn't responded to the threats, Dove and Sam are on opposite sides, and Halie is away.

Jem it seemed to me by the way didn't hand-wave her threatening Sam either.

"not threatening to shoot people with a blasted crossbow or spells."

But that's just my perspective. Obviously Dove feels Sam is in the wrong or she wouldn't have threatened him.
This message was last edited by the player at 17:24, Sat 07 Aug 2021.

Personally I think Jem is defiantly against Sam. Same as Dove. Haile will probably back Sam but have choice words with him but not be against Dove. Dream will probably back Dove.

So really its everyone against Sam even though no one knows Dove. Course no one really knows Sam so its a bit of a conundrum.

It appears I made the entire situation worse for Sam even though he was defending the group in his eyes from Dove but the tide turned against him.

Seems like everyone believes Sam is wrong but he had good intentions but thats null and void.

Can we change the subject?

Sam left. He's somewhere.

I'm going to have to make a Dire Bear cub aren't I? LOL Or a Bear Cub.

Just looked at the damage: Jem hitting it would knock it into the negatives like -9 or -10.
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:16, Sat 07 Aug 2021.

Think the group needs weed :) And ale.

Make perception checks if looking for Sam or in general looking around. Thanks!

So the group is back at where the bear was taken down, and its buried elsehwere. Its starting to get dark. I don't think the group anynone has Darkvision? You can travel for awhile before it gets dark or can camp out. Whatever works!
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:17, Sat 07 Aug 2021.

No ale, but I've plenty of mead :>

Weed is legal in my country, though that's more my partner's thing.

No ale, wine please, or calvados.
Weed is legal in my country too, but I never tried it. Often smelled the distinct aroma.