The Bralani attack their foes.  Thraxis silently (not that he'd hear it anyway) summons an earth elemental.  The Earth Elemental pounds Latro.



L  - Latro
G  - Grunyar
g_l - Grunyar's Lurker
X - Grunyar's Xills
H  - Hiro
T  - Thraxis
I  - Iggy
*  - B3+4 -> flying above xill
B  - thraxis's Bralani Azatas
E  - thraxis's Earth Elemental

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    ROUND: Round 4 (22)
POSITION: J1?
 ACTIONS:  (standard),  (move)


HP: 121/121 (0 nonlethal)
 AC: 19; FFAC: 14; Touch: 15
CMD: 23; FFCMD: 18; FFTAC: 10

EFFECTS: Greater Invisibility (4/11), Haste (3/11), Deaf
   GEAR: Cloak, headband, armor, rod , scroll, scroll, belt, Backpack, belt pouch, dagger, sling
   USES: Spells (1:  0/7, 2:  1/6, 3: 1/5, 4: 1/3), SM VI: 2/9, rod (1/3)


Bralani Azata: Position G6,B3,B2,C1 (all +4)   HP: 1-3: 80/80 4: 73/80
  Source: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...siders/azata/bralani
  Actions: 5' step to positions (free), Full attack (full round)
  Effects:  Mirror Image (4/60) [5,6,3,5 respectively], Augment Summoning, Haste (3/11)

Huge Earth Elemental: Position A4-D7   HP: 135/135
  Source: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...huge-earth-elemental
  Actions: Full attack Latro(full round)
  Effects: Augment Summoning, Giant, Burrowing

   ROLLS:
Saves from Grunyar's turn:
15:57, Today: Thraxis rolled 28 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 18.  X3 save vs coup de grace.
15:57, Today: Thraxis rolled 28 using 1d20+10 with rolls of 18.  X3 save vs coup de grace.
16:54, Today: Thraxis rolled 9 using 1d20+6 with rolls of 3.  Fort save vs Deafness.
Bralani:
16:02, Today: Thraxis rolled 41,29,37,29 using 1d20+22,1d20+22,1d20+22,1d20+22 with rolls of 19,7,15,7.  B1-4 fly checks.
16:14, Today: Thraxis rolled 20,24,25 using 1d20+16,1d20+16,1d20+11 with rolls of 4,8,14.  B1 attacks x4 with sword (augment, haste). (I meant +4x2, B1 can't get to x4 and make full attack, let me know if you want me to re-roll the attacks with correct label.)
16:15, Today: Thraxis rolled 12,15 using 1d6+10,1d6+10 with rolls of 2,5.  B1 damage on x4 (augment).
16:21, Today: Thraxis rolled 36,25,27 using 1d20+17,1d20+17,1d20+12 with rolls of 19,8,15.  B2 attacks X1 with sword (augment, haste, higher ground).
16:22, Today: Thraxis rolled 34 using 1d20+17 with rolls of 17.  B2 Crit confirm attack 1.
16:23, Today: Thraxis rolled 24,14,12 using 2d6+20,1d6+10,1d6+10 with rolls of 2,2,4,2.  B2 damage vs x1 (crit, 2 hits, augment).
16:24, Today: Thraxis rolled 18,35,31 using 1d20+17,1d20+17,1d20+12 with rolls of 1,18,19.  B3 attacks X1 (augment, haste, higher ground).
16:25, Today: Thraxis rolled 20,16 using 1d20+17,1d20+12 with rolls of 3,4.  B3 Crit confirms (2nd attack, 3rd attack).
16:26, Today: Thraxis rolled 12,16 using 1d6+10,1d6+10 with rolls of 2,6.  B3 damage - 2 normal hits vs X1.
16:31, Today: Thraxis rolled 29,31,23 using 1d20+17,1d20+17,1d20+12 with rolls of 12,14,11.  B4 attacks x1 (augment, haste, higher ground) x1 has cover.
16:31, Today: Thraxis rolled 12,11 using 1d6+10,1d6+10 with rolls of 2,1.  B4 damage X1 (2 hits).
Thraxis:
16:47, Today: Thraxis rolled 15,15 using 1d6+10,1d6+10 with rolls of 5,5.  Stealth (+20 invis).
16:47, Today: Thraxis rolled 16,14 using 1d6+10,1d6+10 with rolls of 6,4. (damage roll left on the right in die roller over-rode die i had entered on the left, and rolled it twice for some reason.)
16:48, Today: Thraxis rolled 51 using 1d20+41 with rolls of 10.  Stealth (+20 invis).
Earth Elemental:
16:57, Today: Thraxis rolled 23,32 using 1d20+20,1d20+20 with rolls of 3,12.  Earth Elemental slamming Latro (augment, Giant, earth mastery).
17:02, Today: Thraxis rolled 27 using 3d8+14 with rolls of 2,3,8.  Earth Elemental damage on Latro (augment, Giant, earth mastery).

   SUMMARY: Xill 3 fails to die from the coup de grace, the bralani attack the xills - X2 for 27 unless you want me to reroll, x1 for 103.   Thraxis summons an earth elemental and hides better.  The Earth Elemental slams Latro for 27.

   OOC:  If it ends up mattering, Grunyar needs to roll for whether the xill hit an image or not, unless the xill has something special going for it.  If not, damage as above, if so, B4 gets some hp back and loses an image.  Huge Earth Elemental does 27 to Latro.

I'm entirely uncertain about that earth elemental for two reasons.

the first being, explain to me how that earth elemental can safely balance and attack me while standing so precariously on that thin edge (for it)

Secondly, and much more importantly,

Ankou:

Unless Arkrim rules otherwise, let's just bring every square above +4 down to +4.
Consider that anyone of medium size can walk comfortably on the +4 level, large creatures are squeezed though.

the ceiling as stated by Ankou only extends to just above a medium sized creature's head. That earth elemental is crushed before it can even get an attack off.


This message was last edited by the player at 21:34, Sun 01 May 2016.

The Earth Elemental is on the +0 level.  He is 4 squares tall, 4 squares wide, 4 squares long, and is earth gliding through the stone walkways (which is why I included the effect 'burrowing').

If Latro falls, does the match end? Or are we required to kill the summons as well?

If Latro falls, they can use (if they want) 3 rounds to try to kill us both with the summons to get a draw.

In reply to Thraxis (msg # 141):

OK - let me know if you two want to do that so I can take my turn. Or if you have more objections about the elemental.

If latro is dead we have until the summons are dead, however with Hiro's AC the Xill have no chance to kill him so if Latro is dead we are done

Defeat and victory was updated since the last time I read it.  Apparently only ongoing conditions (rather than animal companions and summons as previously) qualify for the 3 round limitation.  We need to kill the xill.

I mean, that's all well and good, but



the problem currently is that your earth elemental has nowhere to appear that won't place it inside another object on in another creatures's space. It doesn't really matter that the the earth elemental can burrow, it still has to appear in a open space on a surface capable of supporting it and the map is it is provides literally nowhere for you to do that with your earth elemental with how big it is.

Latro is partially right. The Earth Elemental needs appear in an empty space, until it spends a move action earth gliding through the footbridge. This being said, there's nothing preventing it from squeezing in a space smaller than the 4x4x4 it normally requires. I'm almost certain this has come up before and was simply resolved by applying squeezing penalties to the summoned creature.

Thraxis, did you roll for crit confirmation ?

Well, if thats the case, then i will gladly let Traxis use his first of two attacks on his full attack against me as his standard action to attack.

you know, the attack that missed me. :P

Latro:  The text of earth glide lets creatures with it pass through it like water.  Unless you are also saying that aquatic creatures can't be summoned into water (as it's full of water and hence not empty), I don't think it holds up regarding earth or stone for creatures with earth glide.  (Aquatic creatures can be summoned swimming through squares full of water, why not earth gliding creatures [even if not other burrowers, as they don't treat the earth/stone as water] burrowing through squares full of earth.)

If Ankou's ruling is counter to that, I'd frankly like to summon something else.

Regarding the crits - I think I rolled confirms for all the crits I threatened.  Did I miss one?

You don't need to take the move action, only apply the squeezing penalties to your attacks.
I understand your point Thraxis, I would certainly let you summon a creature entirely within a pack of earth, however this is a slightly different setting I would say.
This should absolutely not be used as precedent for future rulings in different circumstances.

I thought you forgot a crit threat with Mr Earth vs Latro. Posting from my phone and between meetings, so I didn't double check.

Would summoning him at his position -4 (entirely within the earth), then having him 5' shift up to -3 (due to 20' reach and earth glide he'd give neither cover nor concealment) let things go off as typed, except that he's 15' lower?

The 20's on Earthy's rolls were the bonuses.  While I would like the 3 and 12 I rolled to threaten crits, I think you were looking at the bonuses :-P

I would in turn argue that you would need to have line of effect to the point you wanted to summon the earth elemental into and seeing that a solid barrier, such as the earth, blocks line of effect, you would not be able to summon your creature fully immersed in the earth, only partially, which brings us back to the rules for squeezing a creature into an area smaller than it's size.

so I guess you can just summon something else entirely to kill me with at this point seeing as i'm doing my darndest to not die by way of earth elemental.

As the earth elemental smote Latro into the ground, Latro let out a plea to the ever present deity Rulz.  Rulz destroyed the earth elemental, leaving behind a small group of Babau.  (Changing summon earth elemental to summon babau)



L  - Latro
G  - Grunyar
g_l - Grunyar's Lurker
X - Grunyar's Xills
H  - Hiro
T  - Thraxis
I  - Iggy
*  - B3+4 -> flying above xill
B  - thraxis's Bralani Azatas
A  - thraxis's Babau


    ROUND: Round 4 (22) -> No earth elemental remix


Babau: Position A7,A9,E6   HP: 87/87
  Source: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/bestia...utsiders/demon/babau
  Actions: 1+2: Full attack Latro(full round), 3: Full attack x2 (full round),
  Effects: Augment Summoning

   ROLLS:
17:04, Today: Thraxis rolled 3 using 1d3+1 with rolls of 2.  # of Babau.
18:04, Today: Thraxis rolled 32,26,24 using 1d20+16,1d20+16,1d20+16 with rolls of 16,10,8.  Babau 1 on latro - claw, claw, bite (augment, flanking).
18:07, Today: Thraxis rolled 6,6 using 1d6+5,2d6 with rolls of 1,2,4.  Babau 1 Claw damage on Latro - normal, sneak (augment, flanking). Should be 2 higher, augment was not included, let me know if you want me to reroll the 1d6+5 (1) as 1d6+7 or just add 2.
18:05, Today: Thraxis rolled 18,34,24 using 1d20+16,1d20+16,1d20+16 with rolls of 2,18,8.  Babau 2 on latro - claw, claw, bite (augment, flanking).
18:07, Today: Thraxis rolled 8,7 using 1d6+5,2d6 with rolls of 3,3,4.  Babau 2 Claw damage on Latro - normal, sneak (augment, flanking). Should be 2 higher, augment was not included, let me know if you want me to reroll the 1d6+5 (3) as 1d6+7 or just add 2.
18:05, Today: Thraxis rolled 22,26,34 using 1d20+16,1d20+16,1d20+16 with rolls of 6,10,18.  Babau 3 on x2 - claw, claw, bite (augment, flanking).
18:12, Today: Thraxis rolled 14,19,18 using 3d6+7,3d6+7,3d6+7 with rolls of 4,2,1,1,6,5,4,2,5.  Babau 3 damage on x2 (augment flanking, dice 2+3 of each set is sneak).

   SUMMARY: Latro and x2 get hit.

   OOC:  We good?

It doesn't really matter what the damage mod was, Latro goes down via babu flanking shenanigans.

If Grunyar is good, I think we're just going to call it at this point.

Latro is Chaotic evil, has 1,326 BP, and used 0 hero points

Sounds good to me
Grunyar is NE; 1,182BP; 1 Hero Point used

Hiro is LN, 1954 BP; 1 Hero Point used.

Thraxis is CN  1056 bp, 2 hero points used.

All right then, Hiro and Thraxis win.
Latro and Grunyar lose.

Let's wait for Arkrim to close this.

WINNERS

Thraxis is CN  1056 bp, 2 hero points used.
Hiro is LN, 1954 BP; 1 Hero Point used.

LOSERS

Grunyar is NE; 1,182BP; 1 Hero Point used
Latro is Chaotic evil, has 1,326 BP, and used 0 hero points




Ankou if you could please post the above text so GM can close the match it would be appreciated.

BUMP. PLEASE ANKOU

Sorry about that:

WINNERS

Thraxis is CN  1056 bp, 2 hero points used.
Hiro is LN, 1954 BP; 1 Hero Point used.

LOSERS

Grunyar is NE; 1,182BP; 1 Hero Point used
Latro is Chaotic evil, has 1,326 BP, and used 0 hero points

Oh geez, one team had the other beat by over 500 BP. Ouch. I would not have taken those odds going in.



WINNER(S)
Thraxis is CN  1056 bp, 2 hero points used. (+1 win, +1 team, -2 spent = +0)
Hiro is LN, 1954 BP; 1 Hero Point used. (+1 win, +1 team, -1 spent = +1)

LOSER(S)
Grunyar is NE; 1,182BP; 1 Hero Point used (+1 team - 1 spent = +0)
Latro is Chaotic evil, has 1,326 BP, and used 0 hero points (+1 team = +1).

DETAILS
Duration: 4 rounds.
Players: 4 players.

(4*4*2) + 15 = +47 BP for referee.

2508 #BP * 90 = 225720 / 2 = 112860
1) 112860 / 1056 = +106 BP for Thraxis. (max reward for referee)
2) 112860 / 1954 = +57 BP for Hiro.

3010 #BP * 30 = 90300 / 2 = 45150
1) 45150 / 1182 = +38 BP for Grunyar.
2) 45150 / 1326 = +34 BP for Latro. (min reward for referee)
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:41, Thu 19 May 2016.