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OOC Discussion 8.

Posted by GM ArkrimFor group 0
GM Arkrim
GM, 6385 posts
Game Master
Wed 10 Jan 2018
at 22:00
  • msg #181

Re: OOC Discussion 8

quote:
Burrowing: Creatures using burrowing speeds treat the ground in combat much like creatures with swim speeds would an aquatic environment except that instead of Swim checks there are Climb checks, instead of Flowing Water there is Seismic Activity, earthen material is always opaque unless exclusively noted otherwise, freedom of movement only assists creatures in these circumstances if they also have a burrowing speed, creatures on the ground always have "firm footing" assuming nothing alters gravity or the ground on which they stand, and weapon attacks treat earthen material as total cover from all directions. Thus, you must have at least some part of you sticking out of the ground to fight non-burrowing creatures while burrowing or must have both freedom of movement and a burrowing speed, though this still means foes still have total concealment from a fully submerged creature unless they are also burrowing and adjacent.

Try this for now until we get something more...grounded.

It's the most...down-to-earth thing I could think of.

:P
Boadicea
Barbarian 2,309, 890 posts
Advanced Human Barbarian
Wed 10 Jan 2018
at 22:25
  • msg #182

Re: OOC Discussion 8

I like it but just for arguments sake two Large Earth Elementals fighting both have the ability to sense the other and reach so the limitation of must be adjacent is very limiting.
Josep Gavinho
Wizard 1,987, 1181 posts
Human Wizard
TA - 1,687 BP
Wed 10 Jan 2018
at 22:31
  • msg #183

Re: OOC Discussion 8

Well, Earth Elementals are « earth gliding » rather than burrowing, so there’s that layer of complexity added to the mix.
Boadicea
Barbarian 2,309, 891 posts
Advanced Human Barbarian
Wed 10 Jan 2018
at 22:37
  • msg #184

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 183):

*Sigh* that was the first large creature I could think of, lol
GM Arkrim
GM, 6386 posts
Game Master
Wed 10 Jan 2018
at 22:38
  • msg #185

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Josep Gavinho (msg # 183):

Exactly.
Brakt
Brawler 2,929, 567 posts
Ogre Brawler
SotVD
Thu 11 Jan 2018
at 02:35
  • msg #186

Re: OOC Discussion 8

So, by how I read what Arkrim posted.

Josep has "Total Cover" while burrowing, and is unable to be targetted by anyone or anything, unless that person is also fully submerged and adjacent?  Does having the ability to burrow count as "Burrowing" in this case?

Sorry everyone else in the Championship, I didn't expect it to be this complicated.
Josep Gavinho
Wizard 1,987, 1182 posts
Human Wizard
TA - 1,687 BP
Thu 11 Jan 2018
at 12:32
  • msg #187

Re: OOC Discussion 8

I think being “Earth Gliding” should provide some form of benefit over simply burrowing. Normal (not total) cover from adjacent foes who are not also earth gliding, for example. Otherwise the comparison/adaptation of underwater combat rules seems a very good basis.

Earth Glide (Ex):
When the creature burrows, it can pass through stone, dirt, or almost any other sort of earth except metal as easily as a fish swims through water. If protected against fire damage, it can even glide through lava. Its burrowing leaves behind no tunnel or hole, nor does it create any ripple or other sign of its presence. A move earth spell cast on an area containing the burrowing creature flings it back 30 feet, stunning it for 1 round unless it succeeds on a DC 15 Fortitude save.

GM Arkrim
GM, 6387 posts
Game Master
Thu 11 Jan 2018
at 14:59
  • msg #188

Re: OOC Discussion 8

Yeah, you still cannot SEE through the ground even if you have earthgliding or burrowing+freedom of movement.

Whatever cover you get from earthglide/burrow/freedomofmovement against your targets that are not burrowing/earthgliding, they get concealment equivalent to that cover.

Total cover/improved cover = total concealment 50%
cover = partial concealment 20%

Or something like that. I'll have to flesh it out when I have more time. That's the thought process.
Latro Dectus
Antipaladin 3,151, 1471 posts
Drow N. Antipaladin
Shadow's Caress
Fri 12 Jan 2018
at 11:12
  • msg #189

Re: OOC Discussion 8

glad we got that whole burrowing mess sorted out in the championship.

Now i can go about my business of setting up all the defences. :P
Ankou
Druid 1,306, 433 posts
Dwarf Druid 906BP
Thaumaturgical Alliance
Fri 12 Jan 2018
at 14:07
  • msg #190

Re: OOC Discussion 8

I think Juggernaut 14 is in a good place for “Most Hero Point Spent in One Battle” !!
Vry
Sorcerer 2,442, 426 posts
Advanced Gnome
Shadow's Caress
Fri 12 Jan 2018
at 14:17
  • msg #191

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Ankou (msg # 190):

Haha, you guys can not only spend 3x as many each round and in total - two of you are old alts, doubtless with 25 hero points in store each :p
GM Arkrim
GM, 6388 posts
Game Master
Fri 12 Jan 2018
at 15:07
  • msg #192

Re: OOC Discussion 8

4 players, max 3 per match, that's a total of 12 hero points possible in a single match. A static cap unless you SPECIFICALLY requested it in the extras that you can go over 3....which could create some interesting possibilities
Latro Dectus
Antipaladin 3,151, 1473 posts
Drow N. Antipaladin
Shadow's Caress
Fri 12 Jan 2018
at 21:23
  • msg #193

Re: OOC Discussion 8

Just a note on the juggernaut match, True Strike was made better in pathfinder by allowing it to ignore concealment so Ankou didn't need to roll concealment in the first place. :P

Ignore me, i see Ankou used his true strike bonus on a charge attack.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:24, Fri 12 Jan 2018.
Maelstrom
Monk 1,356, 393 posts
Human Monk
SotVD
Sat 13 Jan 2018
at 16:41
  • msg #194

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Vry (msg # 191):

Maelstrom is not an alt. He is an Original :D

(Meaning first)
This message was last edited by the player at 17:08, Sat 13 Jan 2018.
Latro Dectus
Antipaladin 3,151, 1480 posts
Drow N. Antipaladin
Shadow's Caress
Sat 13 Jan 2018
at 23:14
  • msg #195

Re: OOC Discussion 8

Hey Arkrim, question for you so we can clear something up.

If i'm invisible, as per the invisibility spell, and i move my full speed across the arena as a move action, will i both receive a -20 to my stealth and have my invisibility bonus reduced by 20 as per invisibility rules for an effective +0 to stealth or does the bonus reduction from invisibility count as a -20 to stealth and thereby the two will not stack as per the stealth rules of the Arena for an effective +20 to stealth?

Same for if I do any of the other things listed in the rules on Stealth in the arena and move with invisibility active.
Boadicea
Barbarian 2,309, 901 posts
Advanced Human Barbarian
Sat 13 Jan 2018
at 23:17
  • msg #196

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Latro Dectus (msg # 195):

If you do the leg work this has been covered before I just am not doing it for you.
Boadicea
Barbarian 2,309, 902 posts
Advanced Human Barbarian
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 01:07
  • msg #197

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 196):

Ok I lied could not help myself go to duel  #179 msg #47

(I know it has been covered a few times but that was the easiest one for me to find)
This message was last edited by the player at 01:14, Sun 14 Jan 2018.
Latro Dectus
Antipaladin 3,151, 1481 posts
Drow N. Antipaladin
Shadow's Caress
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 05:43
  • msg #198

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Boadicea (msg # 197):

jeez, those matches were forever ago. #47 was from before i was even around.

also, how about those penalties, huh? It's like karma is coming back for me for fouling out Josep or something. :P
Vry
Sorcerer 2,442, 428 posts
Advanced Gnome
Shadow's Caress
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 11:40
  • msg #199

Re: OOC Discussion 8

Graduating this weekend, family here and busy all the time... I’ll probably be able to make a post around the 48h deadline though!
Vry
Sorcerer 2,442, 430 posts
Advanced Gnome
Shadow's Caress
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 12:16
  • msg #200

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Vry (msg # 199):

Made it! :P
Grunyar Fangblood
Summoner 2,455, 741 posts
Skinwalker Summoner
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 12:19
  • msg #201

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Latro Dectus (msg # 198):

Duel #179 is mine, you and Hiro where in a epic struggle for the belt when I started if memory serves me.  I can't remember how many times you two fought but seemed like a lot.
Ankou
Druid 1,306, 436 posts
Dwarf Druid 906BP
Thaumaturgical Alliance
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 12:20
  • msg #202

Re: OOC Discussion 8

Congratulations then !
On graduating, not your post ;)
Boadicea
Barbarian 2,309, 904 posts
Advanced Human Barbarian
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 12:21
  • msg #203

Re: OOC Discussion 8

In reply to Vry (msg # 199):

Congrats high school or college?
Vry
Sorcerer 2,442, 431 posts
Advanced Gnome
Shadow's Caress
Sun 14 Jan 2018
at 12:55
  • msg #204

Re: OOC Discussion 8

Hehe, thanks :) I guess college would be the correct translation (I never did understand what college equates to in Swedish...) - I've been studying at the university for 5 years!
Brakt
Brawler 2,929, 573 posts
Ogre Brawler
SotVD
Mon 15 Jan 2018
at 05:22
  • msg #205

Re: OOC Discussion 8

American's are weird. They don't have University like the rest of the world, they just have college.
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