you just presented one could buy flexible feat from the human traits....
you explained that if one is human and then replaces that trait for the skill focus thingamajig... they could then buy flexible feat racial trait once again because it is a human trait with an rp cost.
this is the tiefling's count as human trait
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"Pass for Human: Discrimination against tieflings with horrifically fiendish features is so intense that even tieflings look up to those precious few of their kind who can pass as human. These tieflings have otherworldly features that are so subtle, they aren’t often noticed unless the tiefling points them out (for example, eyes that flash red in the throes of passion, or fingernails that are naturally hard and pointed). Such a tiefling doesn’t need to succeed at a Disguise check to appear to be human and count as humanoid (human) as well as outsider (native) for all purposes (such as humanoid-affecting spells like charm person or enlarge person). The tiefling does not automatically gain his associated outsider language (but may select it as a bonus language if his Intelligence score is high enough), and he may not select other racial traits that would grant him obviously fiendish features (such as the fiendish sprinter, maw or claw, prehensile tail, scaled skin, or vestigial wings alternate racial traits). This ability alters the tiefling’s type, subtype, and languages. Source PZO9280"
In it we have the line:
Such a tiefling doesn’t need to succeed at a Disguise check to appear to be human and
count as humanoid (human) as well as outsider (native) for all purposes (such as humanoid-affecting spells like charm person or enlarge person).
With this, I qualify for human traits (and feats) normally, if the tiefling has any racial traits that a human can give up for something else then I can take a human alt trait.
Tieflings dont really have any, a better example... presented before... is a half elf who can give up a few of their traits for human traits (or, more commonly, elven traits) which then lets them take alt human traits (or elven traits, like Weapon Familiarity replaces adaptability and Arcane Focus, an elven alt racial trait, replaces weapon familiarity).
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Elf Blood: Half-elves count as both elves and humans for any effect related to race.
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Drow Heritage: Half-elves with this trait count as drow for the purposes of any effect related to race, including prerequisites
this is confirmed in pcgen and many of the official character building apps.
and so, with pass for human I qualify for flexible feat human racial trait and can spend the 4 rp to take get it... since I can buy it even after using it for an alt racial trait that replaces (aka removes) it.
Unless you want to, or unless I missed that you have, clarify or further rule that this is not allowed...
as a note, I am not trying to be combative. I am presenting the rules as I see them (as I seem to have saw them before as well). if this is/was not your intent, as unfortunate as that would be, it should be clarified.
though, keep in mind, I am not using this to min max. I have used it specifically for better skills. Josep also has shown he wants to use the racial system for better skills. that, to me, really seems like a positive and fun way to use the racial system you have set up.
Including scion of humanity, for reference, since you mentioned it:
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Scion of Humanity Some aasimars’ heavenly ancestry is extremely distant. An aasimar with this racial trait counts as an outsider (native) and a humanoid (human) for any effect related to race, including feat prerequisites and spells that affect humanoids. She can pass for human without using the Disguise skill. This racial trait replaces the Celestial language and alters the native subtype.
