Alligatorfolk :)

Sounds like something straight out of the bayou!

Honestly I’d rather keep it simple: I’ll take a CR4 dragon x1.5 is 6, and roll with it.

I just like the idea of a monster game, where we steer a bit away of the typical race + class progression.

Sounds good to me. That was the original intent.

Okay gonna need the names of your Monsters for Josep and Vry.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:48, Thu 29 July 2021.

Anybody know if there is a Killer Croc icon in Portraits?

Also.....as an animal become Beastfolk, an alligator has listed under Skills:

Skills Perception +8, Stealth +9 (+17 in water); Racial Modifiers +8 Stealth in water, +8 Swim


Does this mean that the Only class skills they have are Perception, Stealth,  and Swim? And should Beastfolk have Knowledge (Nature) as a Class skill to emulate survival instincts?


Do Monsters have basic Class Skills? Like Stealth, Survival, Intimidation, etc?
This message was last edited by the player at 07:01, Fri 30 July 2021.

Make my name Howl. That’s not his true name, but how he was called after howling so much in his cage. He’s still looking for this actual name.

In reply to Waylun (msg # 281):

You use the creature's type & subtypes to determine class skills.

Use the SRD site search box to research "creature types & subtypes". It explains everything.

Got it, thanks.

So 'brute class' has Fighter BAB and Good Fort saves, but animal had good Fort and Reflex saves. Does one override the other?

In reply to Waylun (msg # 284):

No. It was just an idea to make it easier and more customizable which would be replacing the normal rules entirely if it is implemented.

For simplicity's sake we can just pick monsters but for some reason everyone seems to be having trouble with that. choice paralysis.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:11, Fri 30 July 2021.

 Exactly !!

 I think I’m going to be the face and play either Brownie/Pixie or Imp/Quasit sort, y’all ok with that?

If after a month of game I find it too rubbish, can my monster die and I come back with a new one? :)

Sure, everyone come up with a backup monster. They'll be another group that escape that might meet up with you should someone get ADVENTURER'D. LOL

Would unifying the monster progression mitigate choice paralysis? I'm seriously considering implementing it. Would cut down on it at least.
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:01, Fri 30 July 2021.

I'm not paralyzed.

Beastfolk writeup says



Shouldn't they be Monstrous Humanoid? Monstrous lists 'Humanoids with Animal characteristics' under their 'type'.

Original manimal template had them listed as TREATED as "animal", "humanoid" and "monstrous humanoid"  and got cropped to humanoid during conversion but yeah monstrous humanoid probably more appropriate. I updated it.
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:37, Fri 30 July 2021.

Do Monster characters get 2 Traits like other PCs?

Do Monster characters get a PCB (preferred Class Bonus)?

No, the only way to get traits is to take the Additional Traits feat. Traits were never a part of the core game, they are a variant/optional rule.

No, they are not multiclassing anyway.

Choice paralysis seems to have put this to a stand-still.

How about you guys just spitball some ideas and I can help you narrow it down.

My problem wasn't paralysis. I have my feats and skills figured, save that now I have more skill pts to throw at Class skills. My problem was misunderstanding the beastfolk template. I'm better now (I think).

I’m also in the process of moving from London back to France, so want of free time is my main problem right now.

But I think I’m going to roll with the Imp Devil idea. Stats aren’t great, but they have nice SLA and seem fun to play.

We didn’t talk alignment, but is it fine that I’m Lawful Evil?
This message was last edited by the player at 08:07, Mon 02 Aug 2021.

I just realised you said no outsiders.
So no imp I guess.

Back to the drawing board!!

But I could do a similar concept with a ratling or sin seeker.
And if there are SLA that I shouldn’t have Arkrim, we could work out that he’s wearing an Adamantine bracelet that keeps him from using said SLA until removed (ie never!)

If everyone's busy we can sit tight until we're all on the same page. I'll work something out in the meantime.

In reply to GM Arkrim (msg # 297):

Weve had at least a few adventures begin to start but then not... I was particularly excited for fleeing from the arenas alongside josep.

If you stop now, there is a chance this adventure will also fall off before it begins.

I’m here and near ready to get started.
Boss would you mind my using the Imp even though you said no outsiders?
I’m not sure what the reasoning was, but if it’s to do with summoning/teleporting, these abilities could be rendered unusable by virtue of a cursed item or crippling condition.

Or or or!

I know you said no 3pp but I’ve found this cool template to create a beholder-type creature (how iconic is that??) even though pathfinder does not own the rights to the beholder.

 Obviously I would be happy for it to be nerfed so it stays on par with other monsters :)

 Also could you make my character sheet user-editable? Thanks a million.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:27, Mon 02 Aug 2021.

In reply to Ruven (msg # 298):

Good point. Also glad to have you back. Hope you'll be joining us. What's your monster name?



In reply to How (msg # 300):


You know what? F*ck let's do a monster builder. Yeah let's do an beholder. Probably be called something else in this world. Probably like "Overseer" but definitely an aberration.

I'll import some rules in a bit.

Yay! And thanks.

I be the “smart” monster then.
Beholders can’t do air quotes :)

In french beholders are called Tyrannoeil, or Tyrant Eye