Down with Prosek!

i have the 1st post cool

i think we should just kill all the cs forces here since they can destroy us

I am not sure if the GM will have the Tolkeen and CS PC's face off. It would be kinda hard to have player vs player combat when players have characters on both sides of the battle.

And since it got scrolled away....I'm looking for a few more players in my Chaos Earth game.
link to another game

I thought about it. If people are interested we can do it - later though, after the CS guys feel out their characters.

I'll take the honor of being the first pure-CS player to post in the Tolkeen OOC. Thank you.

Us vs Them: I think it'd be a lot more interesting if we were forced to work together for some reason. I've been reading through the previous chapters, and I think Sarai would love to talk to Silvermasque (because, sorry, he's just the coolest giant Russian cyber-kitty over there)...
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I've done player vs player in my Robotech games it can sometimes get interesting....

Just ask Moloch, he was playing an EBSIS character and without warning decided to kill his comrade in order to defect over to the RDF.

 Awwwwh, you know it is being five and half years I have been playing here and that is being first time anyone is saying something so nice about me!

How come nobody has asked why Burd snapped his own neck...

Silvermasque has a secret admirer...

Drano wasn't there to witness it IC....

 And I was in the middle of playing touch football with Severin after Burd had been blown through a wall. Did seem strange mind you. ^_^

True I suppose it could be perceived that McCloud has a secret admirer. or her has the new snap-your-own-neck boom gun rounds.

Hey Masque Happy Thanksgiving... go fuck yourself.

Yeah I agree, go fuck yourself Masque.

 *Visors Garina thoughtfully* So much for salesman saying all chicks dig big pussycat, bah!

If I liked pussy that'd make me a lesbian....

Happy Thanksgiving

I like pussy...

So do I wanna fuck?

In reply to Garina Teufelhunden (msg #15):

 Or bisexual, which is also very decorative, youbet.

Poor punctuation had me thinking you were schizophrenic...

It was supposed to be "Do you wanna to fuck" oh well....

Ralph isn't schizophrenic, but most likely psychotic.

That also doesn't make much sense.

So... some of you guys have been going for five years. Do you think this game will still be going five years from now? If so, how far into the whole Tolkeen war do you think we'll all get (I still can't quite tell where in the timeline this all takes place)?

Five years is really impressive, by the way. The longest running game I've been in is coming onto its second-year anniversary this December. It has a really low metabolism, though. With only five players (including the GM), the posting rate is something like 1/week.

Well, given this game hasn't progressed more than a few months... we might get to the end of the war in a decade ^^

It is September 107 PA.

I want to eventually play out the final battles of the war, where all of the Tolkeen players will be forced to stay and fight to the death on the streets of Tolkeen, or retreat (or help civilians retreat, which *could end up in death).

I would probably run a game after the war as well with the same characters, or some of them.

Just so everyone is aware it would be considered illegal to kill surrendering soldiers.

It is not illegal to leave them be.

What this means is that Portia was breaking the law and would have been court martialed for brutality - which would have likely had her rank stripped and she could have done jail time or faced execution.

Dyvalis' most recent order puts him in the same boat. If this is reported by ANYONE, he will also lose his ranka nd could face jail time.

Either way he is out of the game after this is over...

Tolkeen doesn't employ murderers.

Now, we all know that laws can be broken if they go unnoticed. So if everyone were to agree to kill the CS guys here, there would be no issue. But Dyvalis should know that it will only take one and it will be investigated. And when a Kingdom does an investigation - they have psychics and all that jazz, so they will find out.

Dyvalis, this is your one chance to rephrase your order of executing POWs. Otherwise you will be labeled a murderer, and you will be charged with brutality when next with superiors.

If you want a good solution so no PC gets stuck delivering POWs. You could call in reinforcements to pick them up - that shouldn't take too long.

Or you could leave a few (NPCs) to watch over/escort them back to a base.

Or you could proceed with the brutality... but don't be surprised if you don't survive long enough to get court martialed. The majority of the group would rather smoke your ass themselves...

Ooo!  Ooo!  Can I! ^_^

I haven't gotten to shoot nearly enough people in this game so far and homicide is even better when it's justified! ^_^

A small technicality....the surrendering soldiers have to first become POW's before they are under the protection of any laws that govern POW's.


Dyvalis, I only got busted down to Sgt for committing murder, so it can't be that bad.....
This message was last edited by the player at 00:55, Sat 27 Nov 2010.

Well soldiers with their arms in the air, and not fighting pretty much means they are trying to become POWs.

This would be like that scene in Private Ryan with the 2 germans who get shot surrendering... "Look ma I washed for supper"

It is most definitely murder, by any definition.

Drano was busted down because nobody saw him do it except van, and some civilians. It wasn't 'confirmed' - and it was kept quiet.

But an officer doing it in front of the whole team - in fact ordering others to do it - that can't be hidden. That would have to go in his mission report, and based on Silvermasque's protest - it will be going in his report.

And right there, Dyvalis is up for trial.

So great, I think that makes me the highest ranking Tolkeen regular....and Silvermasque the highest ranking tolkeen merc.

We really gonna have the same two players as the command characters in both the Tolkeen and CS groups?

No Drano has already proven he is too incompetant for leadership.

I would have to introduce a new player or NPC...

This depends on how Dyvalis proceeds.

 Hey, if people really don't like Nate I'll arrange for him to take a bullet to the head sometime soon.

 Though I shouldn't worry too much - around the Sorcerors Revenge plotline, 'Masque will be ditching Tolkeen like a live grenade. Could be kind of interesting actually, going rogue and trying to maneuver people out of the line of fire. ^_^

I wouldn't say incompetant.....if anything, Drano is just not psychologically sound enough to be an officer. But yet he is allowed to lead a small team of GB's.

Don't forget, I did just set up a hasty ambush (well Van helped out a lot too with his CoA spell) that proved quite effective.

Well the way i figure it The Sorceror's Revenge would be kept quiet, well as quiet as possible.

You guys probably wont even know it happens.

In reply to Moloch (msg #35):

That is impossible they commit almost every aset to the attack.  That was part of the reason it was successful -- well sort of.  They did lose 53% of their troops though and that was with the Shadow Dragons.

I think I read that part of the reason Tolkeen eventually lost is because they over-advertised their victory, and half their army went home.

Drano - Incompetent because he got drunk while on the job and murdered a bartender. That spells bad officer to me. It doesn;t matter if you can organize an attack... that is like saying Charles Manson is a pretty good leader.

Oh right forgot about the hovercycles - they are of course surrednering as well.

And that sucks for you Dyvalis - Comartin already started carrying out your psychotic orders. You can kiss your command good bye.

I will be bringing in a new officer soon - who isn't a fucking psychopath.

Well if the bartender cooperated he wouldn't have gotten murdered.

Hmmmm.... not quite sure how to respond to that...

 Not to mention a new Glitterboy pilot... or is 'I was just following orders' no longer considered an inadequate defence?

 And as for how to respond to Drano's reply? I think smiling politely and backing away is in order. ^_^

any orders about figures coming from the farm?

Moloch mentioned that only Keth and Photios saw them...

Well, following orders is supposed to take precedence. There is always the chance that the officer has extra information.

I think it is always the soldiers responsibility to follow orders no matter what. EVEN if it becomes apparent that the orders were bullshit or evil - the soldier will still be reprimanded. They sure as hell can't get rewarded.

McCloud and the others will still get in trouble for not following Portia's orders earlier.

Thus the CS plot to sow discord in the ranks of the Tolkeen fighting force continues successfully.

I hope they do not uncover that Silvermasque is a CS spy.  Wooops!

That depends on what legal/rational arguments you think society is following. According to the Nuremberg Trials of Nazi war criminals, soldiers have a moral obligation to disobey orders that they are aware would violate international law and human rights- such as executing unarmed civilians and engaging in slave labor practices.  'I was just following orders' is, under this mindset, an unacceptable argument in an circumstance.

However, legal systems that do not define the world as we do in modern, Western civilization might disagree with that. The Coalition States likely would deem that disobeying orders is a far greater crime then- for example- shooting a fleeing group of unarmed D-Bees. Whether Tolkeen would view things the same way, and for what reasons they would, could define a great deal of their national/military character.

They could argue that in a moral quandry, soldiers which refuse to take a questionable action are laudable- Lazlo would take this tact, as would the International Court in The Hague. They may, like the CS, say that obedience and discipline are desirable. While these soldiers are good people, following their moral instincts, they're likely not cut out for the military life and should be quickly removed from the service (dishonorably) before they damage unit moral and ultimately the mission. Tolkeen is also in the position to argue that, where their force is largely volunteer, largely self trained, and largely mercenary, they have almost no centralized authority over what an individual soldier does and thus, they can hold no one accountable for actions on moral grounds- right or wrong. As the only force in North America with the power to question Tolkeen's military practices (the CS) has already declared open war on them, it would be basically impossible for them to suffer for this approach on an international scale (Lazlo might take offense, but there's not much they can do to demand Tolkeen take moral positions on their actions other then write a sternly worded letter and maybe deny Tolkeen some required trade).

I believe the third approach is most in Tolkeen's character- they're generally disorganized and ready to ascribe blame for their actions on others, and far from moral paragons- but the call is really the GM's to make. But whatever call is made, it is important enough to answer a lot of questions about who and what the characters are fighting for (and against, in my case).

Wow, that got long fast.

Actually a solider can disobey an unlawful order, which means those who didn't follow Portia orders to fire on the farm house (it was full of potential EPOW's, just like the guys who just surrendered to us are) should not be reprimanded.

Now for following an unlawful order (exactly what Comartin and anyone else who fired on the farm house and the potential EPW's) you could end up like the two Marines did in 'A few Good Men.' Sure they followed orders and believed they did the right thing, but morally and ethically they did the wrong thing by following the order to go conduct the code red.

In the US Army, they spell it out very clearly: "I was just following orders" is no excuse. Soldiers are told, in no uncertain terms, that it is their job to know the difference between right and wrong, and disobey any unlawful order, or they will be prosecuted along with their superiors.

In reply to Sarai (msg #49):

This is fantasy and Tolkeen is far from any organized militray it is a huge mercenray force essentailly.  So F regulations, its all a matter of perception and power.

Then why is the GM stressing such issues as not killing EPOW's or murdering some idiot bartender who would't cooperate?

So while Tolkeen may be just a huge mercenary force there are rules and regualtions those troops have to follow.

Only when those who care and have power are present.  Tolkeen's froces aee made up of Demons, necromancers and miscreant pratitioners of magic, as well as those more pure of heart.  The Tolkeen defense forces are a mismatch, and a dragon is going to do what it wants regardless of what rules some Cyber Knight tries to enforce.  Hell, the Cyber Knights themselves may split over Tolkeen.  The morality of this battlefield is made by those present.  The CS at least  possesses codifed rules of engagement and codes of conduct.

Tolkeen forces are on the do what your strength allows and your conscience demands code.

I guess my issue with Sarai's statement was trying to compare the TDF with the US Militray - they are not even close to being the same.

 I think that the issue needs to be looked at from a realpolitik point of view.

 Practically speaking, Tolkeen can't be expected to ride close herd on the legion of DBees, Mercs, Demons and minions it's fielding. But then, no-one really does. Like the C.S. and its 'we're just moving them on' official stance on 'undesirables' that's so often glossed over by people hypnotised by skull iconography, Tolkeen is trying to project a public image for the benefit of a large chunk of its own population and that of other nations.

 That public image includes a willingness to be ruthless, sure - but at the same time when one of its officers publicly blows the brains out of an unarmed man in front of witnesses or when an attempted surrender is dishonoured, thus drastically increasing the odds of brutal 'last stands' by other enemy forces, they have to bring down the hammer because if they don't they hurt themselves more than the enemy. Civilians stop volunteering help and start avoiding them, allies shy away, the 'moral high ground' becomes harder to maintain.

 And the moral is to the physical, etc, etc...

..and yet the GM has runs the Tolkeen forces in such a manner that they follow rules and regulations as it pertains to the killing of innocents and EPOW's.

 Maybe a better analogy would be U.N. Peacekeepers with ToE's set by meat-eaters?

 Or even those late Roman era armies which made extremely heavy use of Auxilia but required that they follow the fundamentals of Roman Military Practice?

 Hell, I don't think any major employer of mercenary and irregular forces in history has just said 'go get 'em, tiger!' if they had any control over said forces at all. ^_^

Just out of curiosity, in which book can I find these codes of conduct?

In reply to Silvermasque (msg #53):

I largely agree with this, with the addendum that as Tolkeen grows more desperate these attempts to impose order become more and more futile and happen less and less often. Of course, that's assuming that events follow the course of the books.

Tolkeen actually needs to work far harder then the CS to enforce a sense of morality in it's troops. Tolkeen lacks the CS' crack propaganda teams, lock step political messaging, ignorant populace, and complete control over media. Every moral failing by Tolkeen is going to be broadcast by secret CS media forces across North America. Places like Lazlo and the Cyber Knights which are largely anti-Coalition for moral reasons are going to be set against Tolkeen if they begin to act like the Coalition.

In this sphere, the Coalition has a distinct advantage. Everyone knows they're monsters and knows it so well they don't care any more. They count a victory every time some one sinks into the mud of the Prosek regime with them. If the CS can make the Cyber Knights split over Tolkeen by amplifying immoral acts by Tolkeen, they've just defeated two enemies. The Warlords know this, and will hopefully act to prevent it.
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In reply to Drano Pierce (msg #54):

I am not going to tread on the GM.  Just my opinion I guess, and we all know about those :)

Silvermaque/Nate

Hence why the Sorcerers Revenge hurt Tolkeen more than it helped, but they still went through with it.  They knew the dangers and played a game of Ultilltarian ethics.

In reply to Simon Castle (msg #58):

The question would be, do the Tolkeen leaders find the intimidation of a single dead bartender as important to their cause as pushing the entire Coalition Army back for months?

I meant radioed about them

In reply to Keth (msg #60):

I realize you meant 'radioed' but if only Keth and Photios know about them, no one else is going to say anything about them... Unless I missed Keth or Photios sending out a message to the effect of "Uhh boss, we got two flying in from the farm..."

Keth
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Re: The Radio
"This is Keth, i have spotted 2 figures coming from the farm.One of them is human, the other is some sort of reptilian humanoid. I cant make out more"

Ah I see.  I don't typically read the radio thread if I have just finished reading the story thread since most everyone else is just repeating the same thing they typed in the main thread - this was more useful when the Tolkeen group was split into multiple groups/threads.

So I missed your post, my bad.

Yup Keth made the report - nobody commented Keth. In these cases you could PM one of the officers - chances are they missed your post or forgot to respond to it.

The dead bartender would be swept under the carpet. The story would float on with the civilians who witnessed it, and the only other Tolkeen soldier that was present.

The Officer who shot the bartender was reprimanded and busted down to Sergeant.

I would think Tolkeen is also desperate for some of their best officers, and not likely to imprison or dismiss too many of their best.

But this incident with Portia would HAVE had to get her to some sort of trial and every soldier being debriefed. I could see Tolkeen announcing that she will be imprisoned for her crimes - and then send her out anyways as part of some secret ops mission.

If they are willing to use demons in their armies, they are willing to use murderers. So it all comes down to the image for everyone watching.

So killing a bartender is just an easy way to get demoted?

In reply to Moloch (msg #64):

Tolkeen's version of a 'Suicide Squad' (for those familiar with the comic) would be an awesome concept for a game. All the criminals and scum Tolkeen can't employ in their regular forces, sent out to do the crazy, stupid stuff they don't want to expand real forces on, and committing the crimes Tolkeen doesn't want to be held accountable for.

The Coalition is waging a war of genocide and Tolkeen wrings its hands worrying about every little moral quandry. I think its silly personally. Portia was so out of line it was comical but Dyvalis ordering the fire on those troops should not recieve more than a verbal reprimand publicly and a pat on the back privately by Tolkeen command. In a pitched battle between CS forces, Tolkeen traitors, fucking vampires and zombies the force under his command is in no position to recieve prisoners because the battle has likely barely even started. So the other option is to what? Just give them a free pass because they cry uncle at the first sign of real battle. Knowing full well if they are ignored they will immediately regroup, take up arms and press the attack. Dyvalis made not only the best call but a good one.

This game even more than the books illustrates to me why a force as collectively powerful as Tolkeen could lose to the Coalition States. Because on paper it is not even fucking close the CS should be eradicated. Time and again the squads, platoons etc. have been a microcosm of the macrocosm in regards to Tolkeen incompetence. Don't get me wrong because there are talented roleplayers here and that is what makes it even more evident imo. From top down and bottom up Tolkeen is full of nightgown wearing, pencil pushing bookworms who are just a bunch of schmucks trying to play soldier.

Ralph's version of a 'suicide squad' is a pair of CS Juicers nearing last call and a SADM for them to set off.

In reply to Portia Lynn (msg #67):

Tolkeen needs to wring it's hands over moral issues because that's their argument for why they should win, why people should be happy they win, and why people should come to their cause. If they're the monsters just like the CS? Great. Both sides should die in an awful fire of war. But Tolkeen wants to prove that they're more worthy then the CS. That means figuring out a way to deal with surrendered enemies.

The CS doesn't want or need allies whether it wins or loses. They don't even care about the NGR, who agrees with them nearly every step of the way. Tolkeen wants them, needs them, and can't avoid them if they want not only to win the war, but to survive after the war. Even if they beat the CS, they still need allies just to recover. From a very pragmatic, practical point of view, Tolkeen can't commit war crimes.

   Germany had allies whle it was conducting the holocaust and United States had allies while it was nuking civilians.  I think propaganda is more important than the actuall commission of war crimes.  If Tolkeen could secretly press a "Kill all the CS" button and get away with it, I doubt they would hesitate.

   I just checked the book and it says King Creed used to be friends with Erin Tarn but is now a "murky reflection" of her and is cold, calculating, and ruthless.  Sounds like someone willing to commit war crimes and sweep murderous officers under the carpet, if he can get away with it.

In reply to Lotus (msg #70):

I don't disagree with you, at all. The leaders of Tolkeen are just as ruthless and often as wicked as the Prosek regime. The problem is, lined up against the most powerful media and propaganda force in North America (and maybe on Rifts Earth) there is no way he can possibly sweep murdering a large group of EPOWs under the carpet. Any mistake they make is going to ring out, amplified a million times, as I said earlier. Spreading propaganda and disinformation is basically the only thing the CS does well, even to their enemies.

Edit: In addition, almost no one outside of Germany knew the full extent of the Holocaust until the war ended, and real world racism played a huge roll in the U.S. bombing civilian targets in WW2. It's also a balancing act- which is more worth a moral hit? Killing a single group of soldiers inside a large scale conflict, or completely obliterating an enemy and proving to your next foe that you have the capability to destroy them at will?
This message was last edited by the player at 22:25, Sun 28 Nov 2010.

A sad and very tragic thing that often occurs during wartime is the killing of EPOW's, and civilians. In WWII aerial bombing carried out by both sides was indiscriminate because the technology of the time did not allow for accuracy.

Germany bombed England and kill many English civilians. Likewise when the U.S. and England bombed Germany many civilians were killed. When the U.S. bombed Japan yes civilians were killed. When Japan bombed Pearl harbor American civilians were killed as well. Let's not forget Japan and it's Rape of Nanking.

The killing of innocents, EPOW's and false surrenders still occur today. These acts are likly to occur in every conflict mankind has in the future as well.

In reply to Drano Pierce (msg #72):

That's not in question. The question is would the leadership of Tolkeen seek to punish soldiers who, acting on their own in the name of Tolkeen, committed immoral acts which could have been avoided and were probably unnecessary? Whether or not these events happen isn't really up for debate- they happened in the game, they'll happen in real life. What can be discussed is how Tolkeen will deal with them.

I argue that Tolkeen's leadership would, for it's own self interested reasons, object to these acts and seek to punish soldiers who committed them. It seems very unlikely that many in the world would be willing to accept them saying 'Well, that's war!' and continuing their day. To me, it is far more likely that the leadership of Tolkeen would seek to hold up their retribution for these acts as proof that they are morally superior to the CS as a force, offering justice even against enemies who would never offer them the same kindness.

If you disagree with this position, I would be happy to hear the argument you make, as this is my favorite sort of RPG discussion.

In reply to Gretchen Pasner (msg #73):

I think the majority of Tolkeen leadership would take the stance your advocating. But some elements of the Tolkeen leadership will also advocate the killing of surrendering CS soldiers. They would feel that these acts are justified because the Coalition has committed it's own atrocities.

In reply to Drano Pierce (msg #74):

Agreed. An inability to agree on tactics, methods, moral boundaries and long term goals are precisely the sort of in fighting and disputes that prevent Tolkeen in canon from repelling the CS invasion force.

I agree with most of what you are saying but self-preservation and "winning" the war should overrule all the mamby-pamby bullshit at some point. Also I believe the "Fog of War" is more of an issue than you might be giving it credit for. With no sattelites and no true reliable media outlets I doubt the court of public opinion has as much of a bearing as it is being given credit for. Even with all the high-tech toys out there on the battlefield even direct video footage of a "war-crime" would not be that sensational in a global sense unless
it was something as outlandish as Jenden and his SF group when they nuked Hillcrest. As it has been stated the Coalition Propaganda machine is a real monster. For that reason many outside of their own citizenry would likely dismiss most of what they say as lies and propaganda.

Besides even with direct evidence many such crimes could easily be justified or misconstrued in a way that could satisfy the higher ups. The problem lies with the troops on the ground and the way their invidual morals and ethics can dictate their actions. Especially in regards to the Tolkeen army as we have been playing them. For that reason there isnt a single person out there who can play a succesful officer worth a shit. Zephram was good but I dont think he was that high up. Similarly Silvermasque has done a good job at getting people to follow him though it is arguable he is as polarizing as Portia ever was, maybe even as much as Arven. But when it comes to making any tough decisions that might be deemed controversial or expecting the troops to follow orders when the waters might be a little murky... Tolkeen officers seem destined for failure.

Lol... speaking of murky. I hope all of this makes some sense my brain is a little muddled by pain meds. Still recovering from surgery and subsequent infection. I think we need to find the guy who played Ajax and put him in charge.

A couple things to remember:

-The Coalition is more or less fighting a conventional war at this stage. It isn't really until after the sorcerers revenge that they begin the whole-sale slaughter of towns and cities (at least according to the book).

-While a great percentage of Tolkeen's army is made of demons, a large number is also comprised of good guys, like the defected cyber knights. If Tolkeen allows itself to ignore the rule of law (beyond where they already have), then they stand to lose large portions of its army.

-Despite the fog of war, a framework does exist to disseminate material. Erin Tarn's books are an excellent example. If someone like her catches wind of rampant war crimes, she won't hesitate to write about it, which will further degenerate Tolkeen in the eyes of potential allies.

-Tolkeen employs black faeries, and allows them to torture and murder potential POWs after a battle. Prosecuting Portia would betray a serious double-standard.

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I'm not really trying to defend any particular position... just getting out some of the things I've recently read.

 Is not arguable, is bloody fact, youbet.

 Is hard to be put in charge of group of players, no question - but at same time is also hard to find anyone who can play 'hardass' without simultaneously playing 'psycho'. Is as if moment anyone decides that 'the mission' is more important to their character than moral niceties, all judgement is fled, da?

 So we want to interrogate random wounded enemies to see if they are knowing anything of our mission target. We are having magic and psychics and people with sharp pointy things, but no... Let us feed fellow to demon, knowing that goodly chunk of own team will almost certainly kick off.

 Now I am not having been very successful on few times I have done command of squad (except for defending Hillcrest, but that was nice and straightforward and I had plenty of time sitting with thumb up ass to think about it), but can we not be finding someone who groks middle ground between pussy yoghurt-weaving, bean-sprout eating peacenik and blood-spattered, teeth-filed-to-points, ear-necklace-wearing out and out psychopath?

Dyvalis is most definitely not making the best call. His other option would be to call reinforcements to come pick up the POWs... which wuold take like an hour.

But he chose to order their execution....

It's not like he is pressed for time, and these are human lives we are talking about. 1 hour of waiting - and the POWs are picked up...

The other option would be to have Photios teleport them all to a base - or to Tolkeen.

There may even be other options... executing prisoners in this case is not the best call at all.

But you are right, some Tolkeen officers would be ok with it. But it is also fairly early in the war... it will get worse as time goes on I am sure.

An officer like Dyvalis is one of those important ones they don't want to lsoe. So he would also likely see a demotion - or transfer off the unit. We will have to see about Comartin.

A new LT is on the way in though, and he is no psycho... a few of you know him as Jack...

Many of the people receiving CS propaganda don't know they're getting it. The CS has spies and information networks in every major city in North America, including Lazlo- a city basically the polar opposite of Chi-Town and which is deeply resistant to such things. They're not going to be handed a CS flier. They're going to get a radio broadcast from an 'independent journalist' who is actually a CS stooge operating far from home. They're going to get video documents 'stolen' from CS Intelligence sources and leaked on to the black market. If I were a CS Information officer, I'd have a list of Rogue Scholars who regularly received 'leaked and stolen' CS information to give out to whomever they meet.

The issue of double standards and demon use and such is why I suggested that Tolkeen might claim to simply have only minimal control over soldiers in the field during the heat of battle. It would look bad, but it would also suggest they need to start policing each other. It would also say, by inference, that the leadership of Tolkeen doesn't approve of such actions and tries to stop them. But there are plenty of people fighting in the name of Tolkeen who have nothing to do with their leaders. However, many potential allies would be repelled by this wildly irresponsible stance, too.

At the heart of the issue, as several people have already mentioned, is the fact that Tolkeen is not fighting with a unified force.  We're basically a collection of mercs, adventurers, and monsters (of every definition of the term) thrown together against a common enemy.

So, naturally, at the end of the day, all pretense at military discipline is simply that: pretense.

The CS molds its troops and trains them to do what they're told without question.  I would even argue that "Scrupulous" for a CS grunt doesn't mean the same thing as it does for an adventurer.  A well-trained CS soldier could, without batting an eye, burn an entire DBee village of women and children to the ground and not suffer a single moral quandary over the issue because they are "the enemy", yet still be considered a "good guy".

Us Tolkeen losers, however, are more cosmopolitan in our world view and able to see that "people" defines more than human and that even "the enemy" are people, too.  So, all our various alignment conflicts come into play to just hamper our ability to fight as a cohesive unit all the more.  Personally, I'm having a blast watching how this all plays out as poor, goodie-two-shoes McCloud is constantly confronted by the absolute horrors perpetrated by the people he calls his teammates. ;)

I am having fun as well, and McCloud is not alone in his thoughts on the ongoing debate.

I likened the situation to the scene in Saving Private Ryan when they capture the machine gun nest - with 1 german survivor.

The group argues what to do with the prisoner. To leave him, kill him, or what they ended up doing - which was send him walking - and hope he gets picked up by allies before germans.

I am not sure how I personally would handle this situation - as their options were limited. Those above 3 options were the only ones they could choose from - besides abandoning the mission. I think I may have killed him, or done what Captain Miller chose and let him go - I would really have to be in that situation.

But it is still a human life - the soldiers are all just doing their jobs, and defending their buddies.

In this recent case with Dyvalis he had other options. Like having them teleported away, or called for reinforcements to pick the POWs up.

Even if Dyvalis didn't hink of those other options... that still paints a picture of what sort of mind Dyvalis has, where those options weren't even considered.

Ah well... we will get to see how Tolkeen handles it all soon (ish)

While your point is strictly true (on both counts, but I'm only replying to this bit), I think it does require some clarification. There are many who are so ardently humanist that they would do this, but the majority of soldiers would still have a problem killing women and children - unless something happened to vilify them (say a suicide bomb or attack by a supernatural strength kid, etc). However having a problem doesn't mean not follow orders, just means they will have nightmares about it later. It will either desensitize them (and therefore change their alignment to something other than scrupulous) or it will merely reinforce their belief systems and cause them to do their part to change the equation, depending on their belief systems and ambition. I could see a private who was forced to commit an atrocity like that working his way to Sergeant so he could actually suggest a different path the next time he is faced with the situation.

The least motivated would simply try to survive their mandatory term and retire so they could live with themselves. Some would become adventurers, others would simply become civilians with a military background. One of the things people tend to forget is the average CS soldier is just that, average soldiers, and tend to follow behavioral norms, except that they follow orders first.

For Tolkeen's army (not the mercs, militias, or irregulars but its standing professional army, which is much smaller than its combat forces) the reactions would be similar. Of course there is also a sense of fighting an (ironically) inhuman mass named the CS army. Its reputation of brutality (even before the Sorcerer's Revenge and the prison camps of Drogue and the like) makes it seem like a much more dangerous foe than even it is. The characters (on either side) may or may not know that, but there it is.

That said, my character has a hate on for all magic users (but not all d-bees ironically), so the two characters in question are criminals of the highest order to him, but that's a rabid CS soldier for ya! ;)

What I was trying to get across was that "Scrupulous" in CS terms might not necessarily mean the same thing that it does in everyone else's book...

More of a "cultural" alignment sort of thing.

But, yeah, I'm sure there are plenty of soldiers who have been in the field long enough or for whom the military conditioning didn't stick who cleave closer to the game's interpretation of the alignment.  And, man, it must suck being them...

Might explain the number of ex-CS soldiers one tends to find in the average Rifts group... ;)

Oh yeah, there is definitely a different cultural filter for a human-supremacist scrupulous versus a non human-supremacist scrupulous, but the core beliefs (as dictated by the alignment) are more or less there (and their versions of it tend to be more like the "polite racism" common in the south during the latter half of the 20th century (and to a lesser part still there today). Doesn't make it right or excusable, but that's the mindset.

Time is money, people. Or at least it is of the essence. Dyvalis is a terrible, terrible person, and getting worse with his 4-D Transformations (which typically instill additional insanities). You can't trust someone who spent 14 years studying under a Temporal Raider to be much different than the Raider himself.

In this scenario, Dyvalis is still strategizing how to assault the traitors, but once a plan is formulated that takes precedence over any stupid POWs.

   Temporal Wizards are supposed to be super-rare but it is likely that Tolkeen has heard of them and is familiar with all the risks of 4D Transformations and the tendency of Temporal Wizards to become more evil over time.  Maybe there's a rehab clinic where you can learn some faerie magic and get better.
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Na-Wa (the Forrest Gump of this game) might die soon...

I Na-Wa in the drop ship?

yes I Na-Wa was in drop ship

"I Na-Wa" ... Isn't that movie with Will Smith? :)

I may have missed a letter somewhere there....

Na-Wa only has an IQ of 7. He's more like the unit's pet psychic bloodhound then anything else.

I think he's got more problems. An IQ of 70 is only slightly slow. He could hold down a simple job and keep a house in order.

But I sure wouldn't trust him with weapons or let him ride around on a T-Rex.

.....and these are the two things Na-Wa seems to have been doing for quite some time.

Of course no one has really bothered to actually tell the dimwit Psi-stalker that his Silonar is a young T-rex.

Hey Nuitari, I am from the Palladium world as well. we should hang out. Also, that's very nice of you to name your child after your former friend. Wonder if he will ever show up here and really get this party started! ;)

W00T!  Got me a new level! ^_^

Guess it's time I rebuild McCloud's sheet into something a little more coherent...

 Two hundred twenty-six bleedin' points short of levelling up myself. Maybe next time. ^_^

 Although looking at it, I get absolutely nothing for doing so... bloody Palladium!

Heh, I still need like 4k, though I actually get stronger... mages and all.

Was going through the old PMs and found one I sent out to all the magic OCCs who are actually in the Tolkeen army (since before being introduced to the game).

All of such characters are taught the following spells as part of their training.

Carpet of Adhesion
Armour of Ithan
Breathe Without Air
Deflect
Chameleon
Cloud of Smoke
Magic Net
Call Lightning

So if you are a ranked Tolkeen soldier and a mage - you now have these spells.

In reply to Moloch (msg #102):

'Cept for Mystics of course, damn you Palladium!

Who else was he supposed to name his kid after, Fenwick? Yeah it'd be interesting to let Shih play with a rail gun :)

For all those not 'in the know' Nuitari was previously played in a PFRPG campaign which was played here on rpol for years - it started before this Tolkeen game.  But Nuitari immigrated to earth a few in-game years ago and found himself in Tolkeen as fate would have it...

Nuitary: Holy formatted character description, batman!

Wait... he's friends with Raistlin? Not the Raistlin? We're all doomed.

Hello Tolkeen

The portrait might be Raistlin's and the name might be similar, but its not him.  We've also got Caramon in this game and it sure isn't the real Caramon.  More likely just a result of lack of creativity on the part of whoever chose their names :)

Hey brotha from anotha motha

Well Lotus you should be happy to have some company as Moloch told me.:)

If I didn't have so many PC's in this game already I would have moved Kurgan over here. I also have a TA Cyber Knight....

TA's are awesome. I have one that may show up here soon :)

Thank the gods I got kicked outta Pluto when I did. No way I'm takin orders from some faggy-ass Palladia twink named Nuitari.

Arven's name is on my list, by the way.

Does anyone know how the ability of Dimensional Teleport works? Dragons and other creatures start with this ability.

Does it mean you can teleport to other dimensions (Wormwood, Palladium, Hades) or is it random alternate dimensions of Earth?

Can you choose which dimension you go to, and can you use it to come back just as easily? (would you have had to be to those dimensions before, in order to teleport to them? - if so, how would you get there to begin with?) ---> also where would you end up? Just some area you used to know in Wormwood or wherever like a building or something? What if that area doesn't exist anymore?

If the skill fails, do you not teleport at all, or end up in the wrong destination?

Also, is it only used for dimensional teleporting, or can you just teleport to some rooftop, or up the battlefield sorta thing?

Basically, if someone knows which book describes the ability in detail, that works too as I have all (well most) of the Rifts books.

I think that answeres most of your questions...

It appears that the dimensional teleport ability only works to travel to known dimensions and the spell/ritual/circle dimensional portal would be needed to travel to a random dimension that has never been visited.  To teleport through space (ie. up to the rooftop) you would use a standard teleport ability, which most dragons also have.
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Book of Magic Page 152 also explains it pretty much the same way.

 *Points at Niles*

 Hey... is it just me or does that guy look sort of familiar.

 You're not a God of WAR!!! are you?

Oh... Is he going to subject us to TORTURE!!!! ?

lol. Never played the God of War Series. I'm simply a Titan that is a mystic Knight.:) although you can think of me as a god of war.

I think ol' Masque is just suffering some PTSD after a previous visitor named Ajax tortured us all with grammar from hell.  He looked just like YOU *shudders*

I think Ajax was just a computer virus.

Sorry, I try to use Word to ensure my grammar and spelling is correct. This picture is the same one used from the other game that this character came from. I always thought it looked nice for someone that's 13 feet tall and wearing some "nice" armor for an evil knight.

Just keep an eye on yours weapons and gears everybody; I don't like the look of this Niles character.

I feel insulted. You think me to be a thief when I'm merely a blood thirsty warrior?

Ajax was never a thief either, what gives? And one should be careful around mystic knights lest ye become deceased.

Well Ajax would be first to loot bodies in combat. Even during combat - I remember more than once you guys were still shooting Coalition power armours down and he was off looting the corpses... "weapons and gears" as he described.

So Van was probably suggesting when you sleep, or use death trance, or trip and stay on the ground too long.

Ajax has his own version of the 5 second rule... well... had... before he got boot stomped to death.

 Ahhh yes... and he'd 'bond' with weapons then attempt to tell people what they should pay him for them. And the things he did with duct tape... Gaaaah.

 Oh well, he had one thing going for him.

 He wasn't Arven. ^_^

In reply to Silvermasque (msg #117):

Holy shit! Say it ain't so... I can mail you five dollars if you choose another portrait. I would hate to lose my weapons and gears. Though I think Masque tried that shit once. He takes his communism seriously. Oh and Nuitari you can take that list light it on fire and shove it in your vagina.

Nice abuse of moderator power jackass.  :)
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You know when a boom gun round has blown of the legs of the APC's driver it is a sure bet the vehicle in question is undrivable. Maybe myself and Comartin should blow off the APC's still working turrets so they cam be used against us.

The APC's MDC has been omre than depleted. There are indeed holes in the armour and it has been described as blown apart.

The weapon systems could very well be usable still, but those wheels were prime targets - they are obliterated for sure.

 Depends on the APC really... all we know is that at least one armour-piercing flechette penetrated the drivers compartment to seriously wound, but not pulp the driver and rather than piss about with a mechanical survey 'Masque is just wedging a big bit of ruined equipment into the drive wheels to make damn' sure it's staying there now but we can easily get it moving again if it can be moved. Same with the guns really.

 Probably doesn't need to do it, but better safe than sorry, right?

Just pointing out that damaging its remaining working weapon systems would be a better option when it come to denying the vehicle to the enemy.

 Oh ye gods... don't ever use that line man.

 You have no idea how many times I've pulled 'Denying Resources to the Enemy, Sah!' out of my ass as an excuse for some biblical act of wanton destruction. ^_^

 But in this case 'Masque is rather thinking to try and salvage it for our side, which is why he's disabling it in a readily recoverable fashion.

Comartin is likely to shoot the APC up once the shooting starts.

I wanna get me a couple of those sweet little CS flying cars and strap 'em to my GB's feet so I can use 'em like rollerskates ^_^

In reply to Drano Pierce (msg #134):

 The APC crammed full of now only part-armoured, disarmed and surrendered prisoners, right?

 Oh well, I guess we don't really need Comartin for anything.

Yes that APC.

In reply to Drano Pierce (msg #134):


Fucker you only wrote that to prevent him from doing it. When it is not my idea that takes all the fun out if it.

No I'm pretty sure Comartin is thinking about doing it anyways.

For those looking to pick up a free hovercycle... There are 12 total. 4 NG Stingers, 4 NG Prowlers and 4 NG Turbos.

Thanks for a lovely mental image.
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Nuitari, you don't think Arven's vagina is nice? lol

Is there a reason I seem to acquire a new random character under my name every other day...? O_o

It's Moloch fucking with you lol

oh and now he's gonna come back and say you're characters are all dead.

Awesome!  I've been trying to get McCloud killed for months! :D

Whenever I make new characters for the gamer I forget to switch which player gets the character - your name is the top of the list... so they all end up with you.

And all your characters are dead.

WOOHOO!

Now to make a new character so foul, so eeeevil, so corrupt and mired in filth and depravity...

Oh, wait, that's already everyone except me...

Nevermind ^_^

Not everyone...

Silvermasque and keth are with you on the good guy front. Most of the characters don't care about reckless violence.

Then there are the select few who are the way you descrbed...

Nice, too bad I can't edit your posts. Then I could cut out all the man on man love upcoming between you and Heinrich.

Re-posted :

For those looking to pick up a free hovercycle... There are 12 total. 4 NG Stingers, 4 NG Prowlers and 4 NG Turbos.


All 12 are in fine working order. Some are more damaged/used than others. The best ones are at 90 % MDC and ammo.

Lotus will grab one stinger.

Ready to torture, maim, rape, murder, and sodomize (and in that order too) any Coalition bastards we capture alive.

Now it's the Three Mystic Knights.

Kurgan may not be assigned to the main Tolkeen group though.

There are other PC groups in this game besides the Tolkeen and CS main groups.

yeah I don't want to be in a group of bitches who are afraid to kill prisoners.

where do you want keth and his cycle at?

I've got prisoner-killing listed as a hobby, bub.

Gah! The maps are so big I have to scroll sideways to read posts.  Please shrink them.

P.S. Happy Birthday GM

Ya, happy fucking birthday you fuck. I hope you get your dick sucked.

Yes happy birthday Moloch. Sorry I should have seen this earlier was busy with other things.

Happy birthday from all my characters!

Okay, maybe I lost track...

But aren't there, like, a kajillion zombies and vampires roaming around out here somewhere?

   That was back at the farmhouse - I believe that was about five miles away?  We 'fell back' to this location.  And the vampires were only attacking us because we destroyed the house and it was cloudy enough for them to come outside.  I doubt they'll risk going very far without shelter when a low level warlock could clear the clouds and kill them all with one spell.

Oh good...

The zombies might be up for a stroll, but it would take them a while to walk/run five miles.

Military technology question for the people we have here who know:

Regarding infrared and thermal imaging, how do various weather conditions affect them?  I know some fire departments are starting to use them to see through smoke in a burning building.  And I know astronomers use IR light to see through dust and nebulae in space.  And Police helicopters use them to track people on the ground.

So, can standard military IR/thermal vision see through:
- fog on the ground, clouds in the sky
- heavy rain fall
- heavy snow/blizzard
- sandstorm

Also, do temperature extremes cause any interference?

 Your standard modern thermographic camera can see through light fog, light rain, most smoke (although military smoke would probably block it since it's a standard targetting feature on heavy weapons). Heavy rain will cut the range down to not much, heavy snow would pretty much render it useless.

 Sandstorms probably wouldn't help much, but I'd guess it would just reduce the range a hell of a lot. Extremes of temperature on the target only help differentiation, and at most any temperature the operator can operate, a military-grade camera will probably be fine.

Yes

happy b-day moloch

   Well, since I'm already getting conflicting answers after two responses, I decided to try google and found this:

http://www.metrum.co.uk/images/AS_FOG.pdf

It talks about how you can see further in winter than on a humid summer day and how different kinds of fog can affect different bands of the IR spectrum.  But it does mention that the thickest fog (Radiative fog) conditions result in no difference between how far you can see with the naked eye and with IR/thermal imaging.  However, in most circumstances, thermal/IR will see much further than the naked eye in fog.

But I'm really only concerned with the weather conditions created by certain warlock magic, many of which would be close to the absolute extreme of natural weather.  The spell Summon Fog for example, reduces natural visibility to about 3 feet.  The worst fog I've ever seen in my life made it very difficult to see the houses across the street, but not impossible.  So the spell sounds like it is pretty bad fog.

I'm not looking to make the use of optics in our game as complicated as reality, but it would help to know if our characters can counter the optics of an incoming aerial assault.

Just be glad the CS doesn't give me any more nukes to use.

I refuse to wish anyone else happiness, as that would mean less happiness for me.

In reply to Nuitari (msg #170):

 I was sort of reading between the lines and assuming that you meant 'magically bad' when you were asking. ^_^

 Basically the really extreme rain and snow would disrupt or block thermographic sensors because they'd soak up the radiation in fairly short order just by getting in the way, but the fog's not going to have the particle density and movement to do more than blur things.

 On the other hand, those conditions would also totally screw up any attempt at targetting by us, so it's six of one, half a dozen of the other. ^_^

This might help answer the questions you pose Nuitari. OF course you may have already researched this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermography

so are we running or fighting?

This will move forward soon.  Anyone checking the cast list for this game will see Moloch hasn't been able to log in since December 7th.  He'll be around soon :)

NO worries. It's only been two days since he logged in so it's not a big deal. He does need to take a short break once in a while. I can see this game being hectic at times for him.:)

We appear to be running away like pussies. It would be nice if we didn't have any pussies whining about the way we treat prisoners.

Probably just put a totem pole up their asses and use them to give the CS a message then bring the good for nothings with you. I'm not all keen on the idea of running from a good fight either.

Hello all, yes I have been a bit busy - with a new job and my birthday week of visiting and spending time with everyone.

New job? You finally getting paid to GM?

Most of my posting over the last few years has been while at work... so technically yes I am a professional GM and getting paid for it. Not that any of the companies have known... which also makes me really good at looking like I'm busy.

It might take a few days before I can get RPOLin' at the new job. So it's all from home for now...

Yeah don't want to get caught while just starting the new job. Great way to get fired right off the bat. Depending on the company and work you do.

It is a small security company. I work in the service/tech department. There is only one guy in IT and he is overworked. He was bitching that he had to drop what he was doing to set up my log ins and such for my desktop/outlook...

Pretty sure I can be on RPOL once I am not being trained....

Good luck with that.

Hell, invite the IT guy to join.  He's probably a gamer... ;)

heh... he is like 50 yrs old... oldest IT guy ever... maybe that's why he's so stressed... he hasn;t figured out things like wireless, and DVD-rom yet...

In reply to Moloch (msg #187):

Someday, perhaps, man will control fire instead of being haunted by it's horrifying randomness.

We got at least on IT guy whose 50ish and another in his 40's. Both know their shit. The third guy a, recent graduate of U of O is literally a cyber ninja.

OH MY GOD WILL SOMEONE WITH A RANK MAKE A DECISION ABOUT THE PRISONERS!?! >_<

Please?

Maybe?

I would appreciate it! :)

I'll just be over here...

Would anyone care for a drink?  I'm going by the fridge...

In reply to Kurgan (msg #189):

I dont think Ninjas are allowed to go to Eugene. They would immediately become pansified hippies and lose all official ninja status. Even if they played for the overrated football team prancing around in their fancy outifts.
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If I was an officer I would have them taken with us.

Is Niles has any say use a little magic get a little info and then shove a few polls up there asses and let them rot to death.

Ok... it's the weekend. I am free for the next few hours. Let's get both teams into the fight. and kill off some PCs!

Got some posting done, am off to check out the new Narnia movie shortly and then it's UFC night... so I likely won't be back on RPOL until Sunday.

I don't care if you guys think the Narnia movies are gay... I like them decent enough. I see tham as 50% gay, and 50% awesome. So it balances out somewhere in the middle as PG versions of Lord of The Rings...

Plus they have minotaurs... anything with minoaurs is worth watching.

Ok, riddle time:

What is the difference between acne and a catholic priest?

One has sex with young boys?

Not exactly the answer I was looking for...

Correct response:

Acne doesn't normally come on a boy's face till he's at least thirteen years old

lol.

I need to reread the books, it's been YEARS

and Lotus, not funny.

Sorry for propagating "officer chat" in the game thread which ends up slowing down everyone else.

If you haven't already checked it out, the Tolkeen Special Operations Unit thread shows the two squads that everyone will be split into.  This separation was requested by Moloch and it makes sense to keep everything less complicated.  There will be two game threads.

The characters were put into groups based on several IC and OOC factors:

- players with two characters get them split into two threads
- Ratio of PCs to NPCs should be about equal
- power levels should be about equal
- balance between good and evil, rather than put all the psychos together
- Rank of characters should be balanced


P.S. You may also notice one character's rank is listed higher here.  The promotion hasn't occurred in character yet, but it is coming :)

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Yes, and another DEmotion, which has yet to take effect as well...fucker...

You know my and Dyvalis may be the next ones to go rouge if Tolkeen keeps being pussies.

McCloud I'm going to miss your firepower. Don't worry me and Comartin will still rack up a healthy kill count. Of course we can't guarantee who will be killed.

I'm sure the two of you will engage in loads of joyful slaughter without the moral boat anchor keeping you from blowing up orphanages anymore. ;)

Have I now been demoted to not being able to see the main Tolkeen thread?

Also, to that end, might I suggest thread names that will pop a little more? I find I always end up having to remind myself who I am in each thread (given, cause I have a million characters), but also because "...know us by blood..." and "...expendable..." they're full sentences that need processing.

I would propose something like this:

TAF: "They were expendable" (Squad 1)
TAF: "They were expendable" (Squad 2)
TAF: OOC 4
CS: "They will know us by the trail of Dead" (Scout)
CS: "They will know us by the trail of Dead" (Main)
CS: OOC

Anyway, something like that, where the first few capitalized letter tells you at least what side of the war you're on, and then your Chapter name flavour text, then further specification as to subdivision.

In reply to Dyvalis (msg #205):

Agreed. It would be nice if rpol allowed thread titles to be colour-coded in the game menu though.

Also, if our GM is feeling energetic, it might be nice to consolidate some of the Notice threads into single threads.  For example, 'Experience Points' would fit nicely with the 'Game Log'.  'Senses and Sensors' would fit with 'Tolkeen Special Operations Unit'.

maybe you guys should run a war game involving 5 different groups of players. hmmmm.

Buncha whiney ass little bitches.

Seriously? You get They Were Expendable and They Will Know Us By The Trail of The Dead mixed up?




you're an idiot.

I'm just saying I have to think for a second, and I ain't got time for that. They're always in a different place, and life is hard. Typing is also difficult I find. Can you send someone to do that for me as well? What's Burns doing these days? Probably nothing.

Here's a fun fact. Dyvalis never met Madness. He left before they rescued Dyvalis. Off the hook motherfucker!

Lol, so these russian tons of yours are long tons?

 Nah, just proper Imperial ones... none of those sissy, short-weight colonial things. ^_^

Dyvalis - I would definitely say Alter Aura is an illusory psionic. As far as finding a weakness in their metamorphosis ability... that is up to you guys to find out. Good luck!

Wouldn't it be more of a metamorphosis-like ability?  Illusions always have saving throws for the viewer, while 'alter aura' has no saving throw. It just changes the appearance of the user's aura, same way a changeling changes the appearance of his body.

But other methods of detecting a greater supernatural demon are pretty simple...

In my transformation I've got the gamut of sensing psionics and a ridiculous amount of ISP for the 6 minutes. I'm sure I'll be able to tell. It just also mentioned being able to see through all illusionary magic/psionics. In it's description of "Omniscience" it says things like seeing the whole spectrum, but it also says the character is aware of basically everything.

As for 'Masque. You're saying like 5500lbs? Shit. I can make 2 trips in 3 melee actions. Shouldn't be a problem. I still nominate Lotus and Keth as support.

If you are making extra trips then Niles, the 2 dragon juicers and Boris may also be good selections to teleport in.

lets get this party started*smiles*

Oh sure, just take my whole squad, why don't you... :P

Don't mind me, I'll just wade into the fight all by myself!  I mean, who needs backup, right?

;)

In reply to Dyvalis (msg #216):

 Cyborg Shocktroopers, what can I say? White Tigers start at two tons and 'Masque has had a few gadgets installed since then. And he can still make prowl checks, cool, huh?

Every Sergeant for himself McC. I can teleport people, can you?

I'm cool with whatever. I was largely choosing so as to have a small detachment of PCs that would do the interior part. But strategically it would be smart to put a good-sized team in there. The long-range barrage will really just be for the GBs and anyone with missiles anyway. There's a lot of good close range combatants.

Oh great Lieutenant, guide your flock. Take all of McCloud's squad, or send 3 PCs to certain death?

Ain't no certain death here. Just don't send the wrong guys in on the strike team (memories of Xion's death here)...

Also don't leave the GBs undefended...

Depending on their mass, what armor they're wearing, and how close they stand I can teleport parts of them quite a distance...

Sorry folks for being gone for so long. I've yet to read what is going on in the thread. been busy with stuff in real life. Just like I have for the next two freaken weeks. Where would a guy that could practically do anything fit with these two groups you guys are talking about here in OOC?

sad tear

In reply to Heinrich (msg #225):

Sad cause your vagina hurts. I hope Heinrich meets Arven. That would be interesting.

Can you join the glitter boys in bombarding the bunkers from two miles away?

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I don't think my rail gun hits that far. But as big as I am and strong I could probably be on equal terms with it. Besides I can probably do a lot more with this rescue effort then most. I do have the ability to turn anything light as a feather at least up to 1,000lbs. I'm pretty much good in both Melee or range combat with both Psionics and Magic to boot.:) I'm simiply here to kill as a merc nothing more or less.;)

blah blah blah. You Titan's are just big pussies.

And how many Titans do you know? Not all Titan's are the Goody people everyone imagines us to be. Just like not all mystic knights are evil either. My armor is from one such good Mystic Knight.

We can't commit all our heavy hitters to the rescue. We also need to win the fight above ground. But it might help if you posted in character about how Niles is tougher than most :)

It wouldn't be any fun for you Arven.

Heinrich never said anything like that to his twin brother Elden.

Elden was nice. I forgot about him.

off til monday likely. Just posting it here. since everyone in all my palladium games is in this one. Merry Christmas bitches. And you to Arven.

In reply to Heinrich (msg #236):

See how he put all you bitches and you to Arven. He knows who his daddy is.  Oh and Drano fuck you for ruining my bread pudding today. I couldn't stand to eat it after your soggy biscuit comment.

What you couldn't make the above comment in your own game?

I do hope you think of the soggy biscuit every time you try to eat bread pudding.

Hey Boss (Nuitari). Just waiting on the final word as to who we're taking in for the infiltration team. 'Masque, Keth, Lotus...wanna throw some Juicer NPCs in there too? Maybe Blade and Tam.

I was going to reply to that along with my next reply to this schmuck on the radio who thinks he can defect from Tolkeen and join the CS wizard division.  Was waiting for that first, so we didn't get too far ahead.

But we need most of the forces outside, so probably just Lotus and Silvermasque would be all - and even then, you all would need to rejoin the main battle at some point, either outside or by being sneaky on the inside.

Theodore will not be debating or discussing. He isn't even listening to anyone who has responded to him. Just an FYI.

But if Theodore doesn't participate in the discussion, Nuitari will just be standing there talking to himself...

why not have the glitters open fire to cover and do an low alt airdrop

Or just use some fuckin magic.

I like fuckin magic, I use it every time.

After today, off til monday most likely.

Off what?

The wagon?

The grid?

Your rocker?

To see the Wizard?

off your mom lotus. and all of the above mccloud.

Hey! that's my mother too you ungrateful pork puller!

Guess who just lost 1000 experience points panus-face!!!

Why not make it 10k? Since I don't have an official total at the moment. Bitches. I'm out!

EWWWW!

I had no idea what a panus face was so I googled it and this is the first image that came up.  My brother is fucking sick.

http://exploreplasticsurgery.c...-dr-barry-eppley.jpg

That is pannus...

I was referring to the cross of a penis and an anus... and in his case, a face.

still gross. fucking canadians.

Just waiting for a response to a PM before posting a response to Drano's lack of ammo.

Dude, you gotta let me post in at least ONE thread. How's a guy supposed to get playing in character XP?

Who's stopping you from posting?

Moloch.
I'm not in any group. I'm an orphan.

Come to the Dark Side--I mean 2nd Platoon.

Actually, 1st Platoon is more the Dark Side...

Buncha jerks over there...

And they smell funny...

Off the top of my head (and if the other two GB's have kept track of their boom gun ammo.... I'd say Comartin is at about 50%, and McCloud is around 75% ammo.

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Oh and Van according to the linked thread, I think your part of 1st Platoon.
link to a message in this game Of course this brings up the question as to who is

Ok so where exactly has Na-Wa been teleported to? Or has he even been teleported somewhere?

Yup, that's about right.

In reply to Drano Pierce (msg #260):

Yes 50% ammo, because Comartin does not pass up opportunities to shoot stuff.

That's an understatement. ;)

Na-Wa and Amy are both safely in the vicinity of Lt. Nuitari's hover platform (left cluster of troops on the map), as they have been teleported by Dyvalis who seems to have come from nowhere and whisked them out from underground, replacing them with Silvermasque, Lotus and Keth; all presently where Amy & Na-Wa both just were. The freed prisoners have their equipment back and Dyvalis did just ask them for a report, but no one seems to have told him much. Now that you know where you are, maybe you can tell us a thing or two about your captors.

Na-Wa kinda explained via telepathy how him and Amy killed off the Mind Melter. As for explaining the rest Na-Wa might need to be directly asked...he isn't all that bright you know.

Fair. But I have no interest in playing charades with a monkey. I'll leave you to Nuitari.

do we have orders to retreat or go take out our target?

Orders are en route. One of these days. And Tolkeen thought I was a bad CO for ignoring a surrendering enemy.

 So... as part of the assault team down in the tunnels... Any word on what's going on?

There was never an assault team, only a rescue team.  I was under the impression that the rescue was complete...

 Well, I'm still sat in the tunnel with my thumb up my ass waiting on news... So an update might be handy. ^_^

That was said to Dyvalis, so I'm sure he'll be along to pick you up shortly.

 That would be nice, I mean as things stand I'm going to have one or two teeny problems extricating myself without that assistance... And if I have to and I somehow manage it I am going to be mildly annoyed. ^_^

OH MY GOD WHEN DO I GET TO SHOOT A LEGITIMATE TARGET!?! >_<

*ahem* Sorry... -_-;

Just gonna keep a running tally here...


Zephram's Underground assault mission to rescue prisoners :

Dead :

Sharp The Red - player
Harmon - player
Anniyan - NPC
Lady Marlene - player
Fearless - NPC
Takimatsu - player
Also, Zephram himself.

Wounded:

The Madness - gutshot
Braga - shrapnel
Caramon - was actually killed, but later resurrected...

Nuitari's Oppress The Free-Thinkers assault mission :

Dead :

Lady Aleena - NPC
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:26, Tue 01 Feb 2011.

In my Rifts New West game I have an abandoned character, who I am either going to have to kill off or hand over to someone else. The character in question is a wilderness scout with a few psionic powers.

link to another game

are we ready to charge gloriously into combat yet?

Charge away Nancy ain't nobody holding ya back.

This game has really slowed to a crawl. Sorry if I haven't been posting much, but I've been hoping for some posts from our CO. Chain of command makes for delays in gameplay for sure. I'll try and get a little pro-active without doing anything that may be out of line.

Question: Distance from Squad 1 to Squad 2? I'm wondering if Van can provide some reinforcement without leaving his squad open.

In reply to Van (msg #280):

I think Nuitari is too busy with Keth's cock in his ass to bother with simple things like issuing orders. Not like you fuckers would follow them anyway.

 A competent officer never gives an order they know won't be obeyed... A good officers knows which one those are...

 ...but I have to admit, the silence is getting old and I have absolutely no idea what the hell is going on, who's where or what the plan is out or in character (what with being teleported about and all), so it's not like I can make any IC suggestions.

 How about a summing-up sitrep Boss?

How 'bout not pluralizing random words :)

 Ahhhh, I started with 'a good' and 'very good' before downgrading them respectively... never mind. I likes a good officers, me. ^_^

Indeed - the ongoing problem with allowign PCs to command the rest of the players. It often slows down waiting for their orders.

I step in and NPC them at certain points... I just prefer not to make such big decisions.

The sit-rep?

Everyone showed up to see a bunch of earth-bunkers and no troops.

Dyvalis teleported everybody around - but now everyone is as it appears on the map.

A rescue team went in - to cover the prisoner escape. They were not needed as they had killed the prison guards already. So everyone just teleported back.

The group split up into 2 squads as shown on the map - most people are in squad one with Nuitari still (including those rescued from the traitors).

Squad two has been reported to have been attacked by teleporting enemies.

That's me!

I got hit in the face with a big ball of explodey goodness! ^_^

It happens like that, McCloud, if you sit to close to Portia after she has chili.

Hey Boss (GM): Distance between the squads? I'm trying to see if I can take a shot here.

1200 feet or so... I do believe

 Alright, so we're stalled to a complete stop. Should we just roll on a little or do you (Mol) want to NPC a command of some sort from our officer to get us into or out of action?

Brace yourselves...

I hope you kill the lazy CO who hasn't been posting.

And the crazy magic bitch who damn near vaporized my poor GB... :P

Hey guys, next friday the wisdom teeth come out, so I will be off an extra day next week.

Try not to blow your dentist.

maybe she can blow me.

anyone on the tolkeen team still here?

There's nobody here but us chickens

 I don't ever go anywhere, and am in fact eagerly champing at the bit to get this game moving again!

He means chomping. Silly english people

 Nope, is being definitely champing - suggests impatience rather than hunger, youbet.

I don't even think champing is a word... but rpol doesn't underline it red, so what do I know.

In Soviet Russia, bit champs you!

 Da!

 And is definitely word, is being in dictionary and everything!

Hmmmmmm

Noms?
This message was last edited by the player at 14:05, Wed 11 May 2011.

yo bitches.

 Que?

In reply to Silvermasque (msg #309):

balls!

is this game dead?

 It better bloody not be.

we take breaks.

life is returning...

Disharmony gives CPR