ShadoPrism
 member, 1328 posts
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Tue 11 Aug 2020
at 07:12
No that's the Belfonte
In reply to cheezeoflegends (msg # 1600):

No comment on the level of Stupid Zombies you find in Retail Land.
phoenix9lives
 member, 1028 posts
 GENE POLICE!  YOU!
 GET OUTTA THE POOL!
Tue 11 Aug 2020
at 17:03
No that's the Belfonte
The problem with working retail is that you get crap from corporate.  They don't want to pay a decent wage that you can live on, but they want to pile work upon work upon work on you, while demanding you give good customer service.  Then you have customer who come in (most of them decent and will treat you decently) who want to treat you like you are their personal servant, and badly at that.  You get dumped on by corporations that treat you like you are dime a dozen (they would rather fire you and train someone who will work for less money than give you a raise), you get dumped on by customers, for a crappy wage that they never want to increase for all the work you do.  There is no real incentive for either loyalty or to provide good customer service.
Retail companies don't understand.  You want to turn profits, you take good care of your employees.  Your employees, in turn, are more loyal and have incentive to take good care of the customers, who keep coming back and draw new customers with them.
When I was taking my business admin classes, I read about this family-owned, five restaurant burger place called Dick's in the Seattle/Tacoma area, and how they were successfully competing against the big fast-food burger chains.  Most of their employees were highschool and college kids working part-time, and weren't expected to stay past graduation.  Here is what they did:
Better than minimum wage pay.  They paid the employees' insurance premiums.  They trained them in ALL aspects of the store's operation.  If the employee works for more than six months, they give them $10k for college.  If the employee does voluntary community service, they would pay that employee their wage for that volunteer work.  Do you know how they were able to compete with the big boys while spending all that money?  Almost no turn over rate.  They were not constantly having to hire and train new employees.
Training a new hire involves an employee who can't do the job because they don't know it, tying up the time of another employee who knows the job, but can't do it because they have to teach someone else.  It's like in war:  wounding an enemy soldier takes at least two out of the battle, because someone has to help get that wounded one off the battlefield.
cheezeoflegends
 member, 9 posts
Wed 12 Aug 2020
at 15:49
DM, where is the nearest cliff?

This message was deleted by the user at 16:10, Wed 12 Aug.

Brianna
 member, 2224 posts
Thu 13 Aug 2020
at 20:52
No that's the Belfonte
In reply to phoenix9lives (msg # 1602):

More and more corporations are soulless entities.  The people making the decisions are too isolated from the reality of the work, and have probably never done it themselves.  Kind of like someone who has never done child care and housework wondering why a housewife can't get more done!
OceanLake
 supporter, 1125 posts
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 03:10
No that's the Belfonte
Also, too many mangers are driven by insistence on short-term profits rather than long-term thriving.
Isida KepTukari
 member, 358 posts
 Elegant! Arrogant! Smart!
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 06:19
Short-sighted corporate fools
@OceanLake - yup. When corporate decided it was more cost-effective to get rid of our stores of spare parts so they wouldn't have to pay taxes on their inventory, I'm sure it was great for their bottom line that quarter. And now it means days of downtime if a major part breaks and we don't have a spare on hand, downtime they insist on making up by throwing overtime bodies at us and telling us to go faster.

Now since they aren't doing overtime anymore due to the pandemic, they're a bit up a creek without a paddle.  Suddenly we have a few spares here and there, I've noticed...  :D
GreenTongue
 member, 929 posts
 Game Archaeologist
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 17:50
Re: No that's the Belfonte
Brianna:
In reply to phoenix9lives (msg # 1602):

... corporations are soulless entities.


As corporations are legally treated as people, they can be defined as either psychopaths or sociopaths.

A key difference between a psychopath and a sociopath is whether they have a conscience, the little voice inside that lets us know when we’re doing something wrong. A psychopath doesn’t have a conscience.

Is the company "Profit First"? Then you know which it is.
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 304 posts
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 17:57
Re: No that's the Belfonte
And the most important thing that we, as people, can do to combat soulless money-grubbing corporations is to vote with your wallet.

If you find a company that gives back to its employees and its community, support it. If you find a company that is all take-and-take-and-take without treating their employees like people and looking out for its community, stop giving it your money.
Yaztromo
 supporter, 378 posts
Fri 14 Aug 2020
at 19:10
Re: Short-sighted corporate fools
SunRuanEr:
And the most important thing that we, as people, can do to combat soulless money-grubbing corporations is to vote with your wallet.

Absolutely! Consumers often don't realise how powerful they can be, for good or for bad.
phoenix9lives
 member, 1029 posts
 GENE POLICE!  YOU!
 GET OUTTA THE POOL!
Sat 15 Aug 2020
at 01:30
Re: No that's the Belfonte
In reply to SunRuanEr (msg # 1608):

That's the whole point.  Governments, and the corporations buying them, want you to feel powerless.
cheezeoflegends
 member, 10 posts
Mon 17 Aug 2020
at 22:44
Re: No that's the Belfonte
That feel when you find out from your old manager that the only reason you weren't his replacement is that the one that made the decision wasn't him and just went "Yeah whatever." To the first HR reccomendation.
katrionea
 member, 11 posts
Wed 19 Aug 2020
at 09:12
Artists vs. Writers
An attitude I used to see a lot among my fellow artists online is, "Writers take us/our skills for granted. YOU'RE the expendable ones, not us. EVERYONE has ideas, lol, you're not special."

Now that I'm trying to temper my numerous, scattered ideas into something good and create a comic? I see how essential writers - actual writers - really are. Of course everyone has ideas... but it takes a certain something to turn those ideas into an engaging and complete story, and I don't think I have it.

Sadly, I wouldn't know the first place to go looking for a writer to vibe and collaborate with, since I'm a social media hermit-in-the-woods.
ShadoPrism
 member, 1329 posts
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Wed 19 Aug 2020
at 12:25
Artists vs. Writers
In reply to katrionea (msg # 1612):

Your in the 'write' place to find people like that. There are lots of ameture and possibly not so ameture writers around here. Just need to create a new forum thread and look for them.
katrionea
 member, 12 posts
Fri 21 Aug 2020
at 02:41
Artists vs. Writers
In reply to ShadoPrism (msg # 1613):

That's a really good point! Somehow I didn't even consider putting out feelers for a collaborator around here. Maybe once I beef up my portfolio a bit, I'll do just that.
rastashana
 member, 5 posts
Fri 21 Aug 2020
at 04:12
Artists vs. Writers
In reply to katrionea (msg # 1614):

Me and a few friends created a sorta forum for that for 1on1 story writing, its pretty much invite only because we are kinda already disturbed by the number of people that do one liners and expect you to distill what they said into something you can post to. :(
ittybittybat
 member, 8 posts
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 05:23
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
A person who i know has been complaining because he can not collect the extra 600 dollar covid unemployment benefit.

This person has never worked a day in their life, went to collage on a hardship scholarship then dropped out just before getting a degree. They live in church subsidized housing, make more on welfare and food stamps than I earn in a month and don't have to pay any utilities. The amount of free and clear money they have each month is almost double mine and yet they always want to borrow money.

Now they think they should get that extra money.

I want to beat them with a clue by four.
ShadoPrism
 member, 1333 posts
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 Gamer-Disorder
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 06:21
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
In reply to ittybittybat (msg # 1616):

yeah ones like that give the rest of us a bad name. Want to help clue people like that in to the real world, one bat to the perverbial head at a time.
I have never had a job that paid much over minimum wage and even with food stamps its been hard to meet my bills (rent, utilities, gas for my car, etc). My only blessing from this covid thing is my food stamps now actually cover my food for the month. Prior to this I got $50 dollars a month for food. But I don't go begging for more money.



Some people need to learn how to budget and live with in their means.
I got a friend who works part time and complains that it is to much... won't do Anything but play on their computer on days they have to work, yet has animals she needs to take care of, just Won't do it on days she has to work. Drives me and her other friends nuts.
Then she spends most of her paycheck on stupid things- like she bought a bunch *6* chickens so she could get 'free eggs'. The feed and cages and all cost more than getting the Organic eggs in the grocery. Can't tell her that though, goes in one ear and out the other. Cause they lay 'free eggs'. This is just one of the dumb things she does that annoys the rest of us around her.
rastashana
 member, 6 posts
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 12:22
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
In reply to ShadoPrism (msg # 1617):

The amount of entitlement man... its astounding.
ittybittybat
 member, 9 posts
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 15:23
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
What makes me so mad about it is they are completly convinced that the world owes this to them. They should not have to work. All of their Doctor visits should be free (for them). They also believe no one except the rich should have to pay taxes. When I try to pin them down on what qualifies as rich it is anyone who makes more money than they do.
RosstoFalstaff
 member, 193 posts
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 15:36
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
I mean . . . I get where you guys are coming from and people like that can be frustrating but perhaps it would do you all well to consider WHY it is that working an honest day's work is so insufficient to provide for your needs?

Like sure lazy people gonna laze but maybe a better use of all this would to identify who's actually taking the money out of your pocket effectively. I assume for instance ittybittybat that you (unlike your friend) have a degree and work a job? If not, why not, to both? And there's a hundred acceptable answers, with respect to you, and you DON'T need to justify yourself to me in this way. I'm simply asking because there's something very wrong here in terms of your friend.

If they are abusing the system, lying in order to collect more money, that's one thing. But if they're collecting this money legitimately, even if they're lazy or wasteful, I'm sorry but your fight should be aimed upward at correcting the injustice to you, not down at another person struggling at the bottom.

But no, if they haven't worked, they don't get unemployment payment, that's kind of how this works for the covid payment stuff

Shadoprism: your friend sounds like they may be in fact foolish as their major sin. Let the chicken raising take its course, and gently remind them of the cost disparity again when they complain about how much it costs. If they don't complain, don't bother. This person may in fact not have the energy to work more than a part-time job and hopefully they can then live within part-time means, while also working to improve their situation.

But I'd say that (especially as we all are posting on a completely non-work related, non-productive website) we should begrudge people their extravagances, until they complain of not having enough to get by. And even then, perhaps we should look at WHY so many of us don't have enough to get by?

Edit: also it's wrong to kill human leeches because usually they're friends with a politician. Since you asked.

This message was last edited by the user at 15:37, Mon 24 Aug.

ShadoPrism
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Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 15:53
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
The ones who get me upset are the ones who Can work but insist on getting welfare / disability that they really don't need.
Me I have several health issues, including 3 documented TIA strokes (that for those who don't know, is where a blood vessle / vien in the brain Kinks up, cutting off blood flow. Has many of the same side effects of a bleeding stroke, but less likely to kill the person.) Mine is caused by a birth defect and has lead me to be disabled. Though I fought that for a long time, working when and where I could till I got to the point I can't get a job because I am considered a high risk type - so I can't work.
Still do stuff, helping others when I can, just not paid for that.
I am on disability now, don't like it, but have no choice as I can't hold a normal job due to my declining health.

But I know a few people who get on disability / wellfare that don't really NEED to be on it cause if they got off their lazy butts they can work.
Those are the sorts that make it hard on us who really need this service.
SunRuanEr
 subscriber, 314 posts
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 16:08
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
What I love are the friends of mine who applied for (and received) food stamps, and then revel in it because it enables them to use all of the money they would normally spend on food (they were not in any way, shape, or form going hungry, but they do live on disability/VA benefits) on booze. And they drink a lot, so they're legit spending a month's worth of what could be buying normal-but-not-high dollar food on booze.

Good job, guys. Good job. So glad you have that extraneous cash to buy liquor.
RosstoFalstaff
 member, 194 posts
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 16:17
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
In reply to ShadoPrism (msg # 1621):

It's good that you're on disability if that's what you need. I honestly wish it didn't have to be that way and I appreciate that you'd rather be getting the satisfaction of working.

I think you and I and a number of people can agree that abuse of the system is a problem in this regard. But though these people are a problem I personally see them as a distraction from the major issue, that there is enough to help everyone who needs help if there is the will to do it, but there are people with a vested interest in setting people who don't have enough against other people who also don't have enough but are seen to be offending some sensibility or another.
ittybittybat
 member, 10 posts
Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 16:20
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
I am well aware the system needs to change. I think Welfare should be a short term, get you back on your feet type thing for when life kicks you in the teeth. There may be some cases that warrant long term coverage but those should be verified. I also think that if you are collecting Welfare then you should be required to work for the state in some fashion while on it even if it is just sweeping the streets or tending the children of others on welfare so they can sweep the streets.

The person I am talking about is third gen. Welfare and a walking baby factory (there, I gave away their gender) She has 8 children from 6 different fathers and has not been married to a single one of them. For her each child is just an added dollar sign on her welfare check and food stamps.  She could work if she was so inclined but she refuses and she has found Doctors that are willing to sign off on her being disabled. She has BRAGGED about this fact while drunk.

I got my first job when I was 8 years old working for a farmer and I have worked ever since. I served in the Air Force, learned two good trades and never asked for a handout.
Shannara
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Mon 24 Aug 2020
at 16:38
Why is it wrong to kill human leaches
A gentle reminder that this is the place to vent, not discuss political topics and related opinions.  Please don't nudge it further in that direction.