donsr
 member, 1879 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 16:22
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 i saw a  news Vid.. kids on spring break saying  they didn't  carfe..they waited  all year for this..they wanted   to get  drunk and party ( i assume sex)

 I am a Boomer, i was born  1955... I played pick up  foot ball yeasterday, we play every sunday morning, I have been doing this  for 52+ years..we had  to  go to an 'out of the way' football field, because  the stadium we use was locked  down from close closing...

 there were 9 of us.. in the fresh  air and sun ( dirctict sunligh is  supposed to help kill the  virus)

  the thing here is , we  were all far apart, i heard a translation of  Chinese Med guy, who said.." was your clothes  as soon as you come in, if you cannot, hand them in the sunlight'... " take a shower   with  any soap that foams, as  soon as you come  in".... clean metal surfaces   as the  Virus can live longer there ( doorthandles, handrails ect ect )

  In short.. try to stay away from  enclosed areas, drink hot liquids  when you feel a sore throat..

 so Yeah?... remove us Boomers, they'll be no  'clear thinking' humans left.
RosstoFalstaff
 member, 181 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 18:43
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In reply to donsr (msg # 19):

Well donsr as you're not supposed to be congregating you've failed at the "clear-thinking" assertion.

Direct sunlight doesn't kill the coronavirus, please do your research before making claims. Do it twice. Don't get medical information from Facebook or from something you need translated for you.

Please cancel your next pickup football, and hope none of your literally elderly friends are now headed for a quick respiratory degeneration.

This message was last edited by the user at 18:46, Mon 23 Mar.

donsr
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Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 19:26
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well?   It was information from the chinese  rercords  fro Autopsies . and  information gained from such

 so i must go with that, over   a random fellow here.
SunRuanEr
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Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 19:34
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I think the point is that, much like when my mother (she's in the high-risk category) tells me she's going to go play pickleball with "only four" of her friends, "outside", I have to tell her that it's still not safe.

It's safER than some other alternatives, but it's not SAFE.

If you want to be safe, stay home (that doesn't mean inside, your yard is still valid), and stay away from people that don't also live there*. And remember that it isn't just about you, it's about all of the people you come in contact with, and the people they come in contact with, etc.

*-Unless you obviously have no choice, like needing to go to the pharmacy, or to the store for foodstuffs. Having fun isn't a need.
NowhereMan
 member, 347 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 19:39
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@donsr Fact Check: False/Misleading

Sources:

https://www.politifact.com/fac...en-kill-coronavirus/

https://factcheck.afp.com/heal...avirus-disinfectants

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51735367
tmagann
 member, 613 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 19:41
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donsr:
well?   It was information from the chinese  rercords  fro Autopsies . and  information gained from such

 so i must go with that, over   a random fellow here.


Really? Info from the Chinese over info from the National Institute for Health, and the same Doctor in Infectious Disease over there that figured out what AIDS was?

I think I'll stick with my government's warnings than those from the folks that produce a new plague every few years.
RosstoFalstaff
 member, 182 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 19:43
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In reply to donsr (msg # 21):

Well you actually don't need to take my word for it!

Unless you think the Center for Disease Control is an untrustworthy news source? The director of which has cautioned against assuming any interaction between warmer weather, more sunlight and a decrease in the virus

So again, do your research, you can't both claim to be clear thinking and simply go on half-remembered translations you heard in passing and assumptions you have about how safe something is.

@SunRuanEr: yes this. Much more polite than I have the desire to be here, but if my tone offends you donsr, read SunRuanEr's post over and over instead
donsr
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Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 20:29
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well? I have  just checked the  sun-light  thing.. the  'best' they said   there was  about vitamin D helping immunity, but  not  specific ect ect..

 so?..i do apologize  for that.

 The  rest  i have  have to look into as well..since some of it is linked to the whole  'hand washing' thing

 I will have to get  in touch with my Cousin.. i checked the maps? Uruguay  only has a few hundred  folks sick down there.

 I do  appreciate  you folks calling  that out... as far as the football thing goes?..  I am the only one  over ( way over) the    limit..a couple guys in the   40s', most are in thier  30s...once a week out in the fresh air  shouldn't be a bad  thing, we aren't all jammed up together, were are  spread out on a   filed 100 yards   long and  wifth veries  by hash marks , depending on how many folks show up
tmagann
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Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 20:33
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In reply to donsr (msg # 26):

But it was football. Touch, flag, or tackle, there was a lot of contact. Plus huddles, scrimmage lines, etc.

You couldn't have been all that spread out.

Plus, of course, is the hang time the virus has on materials. Even Pigskin. Everyone that touched that football was potentially exposed.
Ski-Bird
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Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 20:55
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Well, that went from zero to get off my lawn in less than 25 posts ...
SunRuanEr
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Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 21:25
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Hey! Hey! Social distancing! Be on your own lawn! =)
tmagann
 member, 615 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 21:27
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Hell, my kid put me out to pasture. Literally. I live in an RV next to her barn. Hell of a front yard, though.
donsr
 member, 1883 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 21:40
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we play flag, too many of us have  jobs( and i'm old!)..we have a few guys who played  semi pro.. some played in the arena team here  in Johnstown a few years ago..got some College  guys.. we get highschool guys to come up and get reps  and  do some teaching  with them.

 Last two weeks   has  been slim, going to  'torny' games of   4 - 5 man teams  to just  10 guys last week  and 9 this week.

 we just got the word that PA schools are close until the 6th... the kids supposed to go back the 9th?... I heard Kansas  and VA  are done for the years... My oldest grandson is a senior this year..don't know who that's going to mess up thier   stuff?.. i mean..do they just get rubber stamped?..or will they have to make it up.... The college across the   road from the stadium we  normally play in( UPJ)  has been closed  2 weeks ahead of the school closings?..so who know if the   kids  will get to start there? and  i supposed they have to come up with a way to have finals?

 I laughed at some of the folks who said  'its a hoax'..when the  NBA..NHL and  'The Big Dance' shut down..all that money the owners are missing out on...its not a hoax.

..............

  for those who corrected the thing  about sunlight?..I  told my cousin in PMs and sent him the blink to  the   search i did, after you folks pointed it out to me... hopefully he passes that on to any of his wife's side of the family.
praguepride
 member, 1577 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 22:06
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So FYI if you understand plagues you will quickly realize why every modern plague comes out of China or Africa:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JEYh5WACqEk

It's wort the time start to finish but the point I'm making starts at around the 4:50 mark





As for spreading infection dosr is right that it can live on surfaces for a long...long time. Some trials have shown it surviving for 3 days under ideal conditions on stainless steal.

What they are recommending is that if you do go outside and are in risky contact that you shed your outerwear outside of your house. Pretend it's like an airlock and you don't want to carry germs into your safe hidey-hole.

Perhaps this is what the doctor meant when he said to show your clothes the sun: to keep them OUTSIDE so you don't piggyback them in.

Otherwise masks are basically useless unless you have a high grade full face respirator. If you're sick use the masks to stop your germs from spreading but if you're not sick don't buy the masks to save them for medical professionals who NEED them due to constant contact throughout the day.

Proper ventilation when outside does wonders for cutting down the spread so yeah, you are probably safe playing pickleball HOWEVER it is very selfish to take that risk. Stay the fruit inside. If you get sick that is another patient that has to be treated by already stressed medical systems and yet another point of infection where you and your loved ones' health is put into jeopardy.

You are risking your life, the lives of your close friends and family, and the medical workers that will have to treat you for what...because you can't take a couple weeks off from your social calendar?

Our family has our phones going all day with video chats with friends and family so we can socialize without putting anyone at risk.

We are in a crisis. Don't be an asphole and become yet another statistic for the stupidity of humainty.

STAY THE FRUIT HOME!
tmagann
 member, 616 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 22:19
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praguepride:
So FYI if you understand plagues you will quickly realize why every modern plague comes out of China or Africa:


Nah. it's because China is too cheap to upgrade their bioweapns research facilities, and things keep getting out.

Now, be clear: That was a joke. But this is the internet. In a couple days people could be spreading that around like it's fact.....
Imladir
 member, 22 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 22:23
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Because an image is often better than words: to understand why confinements (or "social distancing") measures work: https://corona.katapult-magazin.de/
NowhereMan
 member, 348 posts
Mon 23 Mar 2020
at 22:38
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In reply to tmagann (msg # 33):

If this is a bioweapon, I am extremely disappointed. Where's the instant fleshmelting? The horrible mutations that pervert God's creation? I haven't even seen a single zombie. Get it together, China.
praguepride
 member, 1578 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 00:32
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Have you seen the pictures or Spring Break bars during quarantine? We already have brainless zombies walking among us!
tmagann
 member, 617 posts
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 00:39
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NowhereMan:
In reply to tmagann (msg # 33):

If this is a bioweapon, I am extremely disappointed. Where's the instant fleshmelting? The horrible mutations that pervert God's creation? I haven't even seen a single zombie. Get it together, China.


To be fair...they HAVE shut down the world economy. Impressive for a bioweapon, really.
Imladir
 member, 23 posts
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 00:43
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Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity.

Hanlon's Razor.

praguepride
 member, 1579 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 03:27
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I love that expression. It is one of my main tools I use when trying to help people with problems they're having with other people.
tmagann
 member, 618 posts
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 03:32
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You realize the conditions are not exclusive? In fact, as I recall, both figure prominently in that sub class of high school bully "the Jock".

It's probably the steroids.
facemaker329
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Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 05:46
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In reply to NowhereMan (msg # 35):

I had some friend of a friend try to convince me on FB that this was all concocted by Bill Gates for the sake of artificially reducing the world population, based on a talk he gave about the values of population control...

My counterpoint was, if you're going to create a virus to try and reduce the world's population and keep the numbers limited, wouldn't it be better to have something that was more virulent among those portions of society that are actually STILL creating babies?  Maybe something more akin to mumps, that causes sterility in adult-onset victims?

There's a lot of very weird garbage circulating about this thing, and I try to treat most of it with a simple rule -- If it's too <weird/good/simple/horrific/stupid> to be true, it probably is.  Sometimes, I'm proven wrong, like the whole hoarding toilet paper thing, which is definitely too weird and stupid to be true.  But most of the time, it's a pretty effective filter, and it takes only a little digging to start finding all the flimsiest spots in the story.
tmagann
 member, 619 posts
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 14:34
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Actually, that may not be true. Birth rates are down (ie: the youngsters aren't breeding the way our parents did). It's we boomers that have the numbers. We're the ones to kill off.

Hell, folks, give it another 20 years (maybe 30 years for those born in the early 60s), and it'll take care of itself. The oldest boomers are already 75.
praguepride
 member, 1580 posts
 "Hugs for the Hugs God!"
 - Warhammer Fluffy-K
Tue 24 Mar 2020
at 15:41
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Here is a great video that talks about how the world population probably won't reach 13 billion due to declining birth rates:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsBT5EQt348