OceanLake
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 04:37
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Whether hamburgers and/or hot dogs are sandwiches came up on the net. What do you think?

I'd say hamburgers are and hot dogs aren't.
Manticore
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 04:42
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
In reply to OceanLake (msg # 1):

Try a dictionary.
https://www.merriam-webster.co...f-sandwiches/hot-dog
praguepride
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 04:51
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
To put it even more clearly:

quote:
the definition of sandwich is "two or more slices of bread or a split roll having a filling in between


Hot dog bun = split roll. It's a sandwich.
tmagann
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 05:30
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Alton Brown has said both are sandwiches, and he's the science chef.

For what that's worth.
phoenix9lives
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 05:34
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
However, apparently, a bratwurst wrapped by a single piece of bread, a taco, a pig-in-a-blanket, a burrito, a calzone, or a flatbread wrapped around a filling is NOT defined as a sandwhich.  However, I posit, that many people who eat an open-faced sandwich (the second definition of Sandwich being:  one slice of bread covered with food) would fold said sandwich in half to better contain the food atop the bread while eating it.  This would, in fact, make the taco, the bratwurst on a single slice of bread, the calzone, the pig-in-a-blanket, and the flatbread also as sandwiches, with the burrito being a more secure version of the same.
Brianna
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 12:17
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
ROFL  This has to be one of the ultimate first world problems!  I don't care what you call them, do they taste good?  Hot dogs tend to be a bit additive heavy for me, one of my daughters could never tolerate them at all, hamburgers vary a lot, and there are a lot of kinds of sandwiches.  *sigh*  And now I'm getting hungry!
Gaffer
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 13:30
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Burrito and calzone definitely not!

Taco or flatbread sort of?

Hamburger/hotdog definitely. And put your bratwurst on a split bun.

Pig-in-s-blanket? I know this as a cocktail wiener baked in dough. Is there a different version, because that is a hot appetizer, not a sandwich.
MalaeDezeld
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 14:05
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
It's depend, can you ask for a sandwich and get a hot dog?

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/268

I'm not even sure that would work for an hamburger for me, even though mcdonalds (probably others too) goes with sandwich instead of burger on their menu.
tibiotarsus
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 14:30
Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Easy.

If the fourth Earl of Sandwitch can eat it with one hand whilst holding his hand of cards in the other, and neither cards nor food are endangered by the arrangement, it's a sandwitch. Anything else is not.
evileeyore
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 14:34
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
tmagann:
Alton Brown has said both are sandwiches, and he's the science chef.

For what that's worth.

Exactly!




phoenix9lives:
However, apparently, a bratwurst wrapped by a single piece of bread, a taco, a pig-in-a-blanket, a burrito, a calzone, or a flatbread wrapped around a filling is NOT defined as a sandwhich.  However, I posit, that many people who eat an open-faced sandwich (the second definition of Sandwich being:  one slice of bread covered with food) would fold said sandwich in half to better contain the food atop the bread while eating it.  This would, in fact, make the taco, the bratwurst on a single slice of bread, the calzone, the pig-in-a-blanket, and the flatbread also as sandwiches, with the burrito being a more secure version of the same.

Also true.  I prefer to refer to this chart:
https://i.imgur.com/QJjpg5x.jpg

I'm "Neutral Evil", ingredient neutral/structural rebel.  So I except wraps as sandwiches, but not "ice cream tacos".

My dividing line on Structure is:  Can it be eaten by hand without making my hands messy?  If yes, it's a sandwich.  If no (Sloppy Joes I'm looking at you), then it's no longer a sandwich.

My dividing line on Ingredients is:  Is it a dessert food?  Then it cannot be a sandwich.

Technically by the above I do accept Pop-Tarts as sandwiches, as long as they are not frosted.  Frosted Pop-Tarts are desserts.

(I also accept some filled donuts as sandwiches.  Frex a local shop had PBJ filled donuts that I quite liked when I was younger.  Sandwich.)


[EDIT]
The Earl and I think along very similar lines...
[/EDIT]
evileeyore
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 14:40
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
MalaeDezeld:
It's depend, can you ask for a sandwich and get a hot dog?

https://existentialcomics.com/comic/268

Nice!

But now I have a war between my philosopher and linguist roots!  ;)
bigbadron
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 14:41
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Bah!  Think bigger.  Hamburgers and hot dogs aren't sandwiches.  They're pizza toppings.  :)
phoenix9lives
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 15:11
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Actually, going by the second definition, one slice of bread covered with food, the pizza is also a sandwich.
I never really thought about a Pop Tart as a sandwich, but it does meet the criteria.  Interesting.  The definition says only filling, but does not specify what that filling needs to be.  So, an ice cream sandwich would be a sandwich.
evileeyore
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 16:56
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
phoenix9lives:
Actually, going by the second definition, one slice of bread covered with food, the pizza is also a sandwich.

As are calzones... (which is just pizza in Defensive Position)
phoenix9lives
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 17:51
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
That was exactly my point.
Here is a question:  How do you make a half-sandwich?  Do you make it by cutting a single piece of bread in two (satisfying definition 1), or by covering the single piece of bread (satisfying definition 2) and folding it in half?  Which also makes tacos, burritos, calzones, etc, sandwiches.  Cheese crackers and S'mores also satisfy the literal definition of sandwich.
Here is another thought.  Pizza is considered a pie, but also fullfils definition 2 of sandwich because the crust is bread.  But, what about a pot pie or a shepherd's pie, filled with meat and vegetables, or a fruit pie, with its fruit filling, or a cream pie?  Crust is a form of bread, thus they all satisfy the definition, too.  Or, maybe, a sandwich is just another form of pie?
soulsight
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 18:31
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
In reply to phoenix9lives (msg # 15):

Perhaps its the definition of bread that needs to be filled further. If the crust of a pie can be considered "bread" than an apple pie could be considered a sandwich. If "bread" requires the involvement of  Saccharomyces cerevisiae then most crusts wouldn't, technically, be bread.
If we require eukaryotic microorganisms to do their part, the number of otherwise sandwich-like foods that would NOT be considered sandwiches would balloon. With just the consideration of the tortilla there would be a long list of foods that MUST be classified as non-sandwiches (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...ortilla-based_dishes).
Aside from content, I do believe there's a geometric aspect to "sandwich" that isn't fulfilled by pizza till you fold the piece in half to eat it, unless you don't (PHILISTINE!).
tmagann
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 20:00
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Calzones are pies. So are many open faced sandwiches.

So is a cheesecake. But thats off topic.
evileeyore
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 21:33
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
tmagann:
So is a cheesecake. But thats off topic.

Cheesecake is the best type of pie.
phoenix9lives
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 22:30
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
So, a sandwich can be a pie.
tmagann
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Sat 4 Jul 2020
at 23:33
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
In reply to phoenix9lives (msg # 19):

Just because you call it a sandwich doesn't make it one. Again I reference Cheesecake.

Crust and a savory filling (meat and gravy, for instance) makes for a pie, at least according to the English. (The Earl that started all this discussion notwithstanding).

Of course, bread is a rather lazy crust.

And now I miss haufbraus.

This message was last edited by the user at 23:36, Sat 04 July.

Manticore
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Sun 5 Jul 2020
at 00:00
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
*ponders worlds in which sandwiches are a civilized player race, and wonders what kind of caste system they developed*
Hunter
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Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 17:47
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
In reply to Manticore (msg # 21):

One where hamburgers are king, hot dogs are queen, and everyone else wishes they were that popular.  :D
praguepride
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Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 20:31
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Didn't they make a movie about sentient food?
Hunter
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Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 20:41
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
Fish are friends, not food!
SunRuanEr
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Mon 6 Jul 2020
at 22:54
Re: Hamburgers,  Hot Dogs. Sandwiches?
praguepride:
Didn't they make a movie about sentient food?

Sausage Party was a movie only in the loosest sense of the term...