GreenTongue
 member, 952 posts
 Game Archaeologist
Fri 9 Apr 2021
at 17:02
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
There seems to less posts then this time last year.

Has the rise in VTT caused PbP to less popular then ever or is it just the normal summer doldrums?
donsr
 member, 2225 posts
Fri 9 Apr 2021
at 18:21
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
I dunno?   For  My games, especially the space hame, i get  maybe..20  RTJs  a year, out of those.. maybe  10  are 'for  real'..out of those, Maybe  5 are accepted, and maybe  2  stay.

 my slower games get  about the same  attention, but less  bother  after i answer...There are  'game butterflies ' who go game to game because they like  to set up a charcter, then get 'bored' real quick..there are DMs like that who shut  down games after  a month or less.

 the last two instances  her PBP...the other stuff is  just the new thing, fad, trendy ect ect...PBP is  the back bone for   'world  wide' gamign, because people  can step in and answer posts when they have the  chance,  any  live  interaction  must be planned.
Hunter
 member, 1642 posts
 Captain Oblivious!
 Lurker
Fri 9 Apr 2021
at 22:58
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
Some of us plan to never switch from a text based medium to an audio/visual one.
Jewwk of Shuu
 member, 31 posts
 "I cast: Pro: Sandwich"
 GM: "But WHY?!"
Fri 9 Apr 2021
at 23:03
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
There seems to have been a dramatic drop-off in forum activity just in the short time I've been a member.

Pbp, as Hunter mentions, is all there will be for some of us. I also have no desire for a/v driven games.
V_V
 member, 926 posts
 Resting. I hope to find
 peace and vigor return.
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 00:16
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
I certainly don't spend NEARLY as much time on RPoL after I got into TTS. On TTS, if I feel bad, it's evident by the mic. I can also get a scene set up, mute my mic (to tic) and just listen. I can't read while ticing, so yeah, TTS impacted my RP experience positively. I still love RPoL, but TTS is now my go to.

Though on TTS alot LESS people go by Youtube DM shows, like CriticalRoll, and Matt Coleville; nor do they value forums. They have enough play time to ignore these pitfalls. So that has also significantly impacted my preference for TTS. RPoL will never be replaced for me though.

The reason I joined is the reason I stay; I just find myself trying less and less to force the medium to be something it's not. I love being able to record scenes as said, and for "magic" that allows perfect recall, it's excellent. So many games have some perk, power, or spell, for perfect recall. No group I've been a part of has savant memory, so such powers largely become poitns of contention...or worse...worthless. Morever, when you find gems of linguistical poetry, be it dialogue or description, it lasts pretty much "forever" I love that about RPoL.

In a word, yeah. It's affected people I use to game with on here. By no means though, is that a site-wide thing. I can only speak for the dozen users that mostly migrated to TTS, myself being one of them.
Piestar
 member, 856 posts
 once upon a time...
 ...there was a little pie
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 01:03
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
No clue what VTT is, but I do feel that PbP has taken a hit for some reason, things seem much slower than they used to be, all the time. I really don't consider April 'summertime'. We took the typical winter-time hit, and things came back a little, but I think the heyday for me was years ago.
Shannara
 moderator, 3881 posts
 When in doubt,
 frolic!
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 01:20
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
VTT is Virtual Table Top -- if that helps. :-)
Piestar
 member, 857 posts
 once upon a time...
 ...there was a little pie
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 02:59
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
In reply to Shannara (msg # 7):

Like Roll20?
facemaker329
 member, 7333 posts
 Gaming for over 40
 years, and counting!
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 04:05
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
Ehhhh...

I seem to recall seeing a post along these lines pop up every few years.  "It seems like things are far slower than they should be...is <insert latest online gaming fad here> to blame?"

To some extent, yes.  It's the new shiny toy that everyone wants to play with until they realize it's got just as many flaws (although they're different).  Some people try them, decide they like them, and stay with them.  Some people try them, like them for a while, and then revert back to their tried-and-true.  Some people try them and don't like them.  Some of us never try them.

VTT would only solve one of the problems that led to me getting involved on RPOL...no travel time.  I still have the impossible schedule and the inability to devote one specific night every week or two to gaming because I don't know what's going to happen at work.  RPOL works for me because if the only time I have available to post is 1AM every other day, I can still be fully involved in my games.

Not everybody has a schedule like that, so other formats may appeal more to them...but I don't think RPOL is in any danger of being MySpaced by VTT.
donsr
 member, 2227 posts
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 04:18
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
there is  also the 'fad games" that pop up, based on new TV shows  or Movies.

 wait  until the MCU hits  the  theaters  again.. Superhero  games will pop up... Vamp  games for then next undead movie... the next  post  Nuc  war era.. ect ect ect.

 there hasn't been much of that, because no one  could  see the Big screen for  a muse.
gladiusdei
 member, 850 posts
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 04:33
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
Kaiju game time!
nauthiz
 subscriber, 713 posts
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 05:42
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
It would be mildly interesting to see the historical site activity trend.  The question as to whether the site is less active do pop up from time to time, and knowing whether it actually was or just felt that way during those periods would be something.

I vaguely recall some number or another being mentioned at some point, though I don't recall if said number(s) were related to users, or maybe hosted games, or something like that.
Piestar
 member, 858 posts
 once upon a time...
 ...there was a little pie
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 05:50
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
It does seem that there are not only fewer new games popping up in the Players Wanted thread, but the ones that do pop up seem to be from a smaller and smaller group of people.
I also see a lot more games that seem to close with less than a few hundred posts.
donsr
 member, 2228 posts
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 12:58
Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
 Piestar  had touched on something i have seen in  my 'career' as a PBP gamer. E-Zboards were the top of the  food chain at one time, they had boards  for everything, i must have been on 12 or more through thier history...hacker  got to them and killed them off.

 but i would join 2, 3 games on a site, and  less then a month 'poof'..they are gone

 My Space game here , i started because  a Starship Troopers   came  i was in for less then a month  died... I had some damn good players  with me, and i didn't want to lose that interaction, so i started  a space game, based on a book i wanted to write, that ( of course) never saw the light of  day.

  I had 4 good players there..One is  still there.. One Passed, the others  had RL take them away after  3 years or so.. I started  a 'seniority' list  for the players  to see how long they were there?( just active ones).

 But game closings  are a big let down., now? if there is a  game that catches my interest, i zip down to see how many games have been deleted, and what the posy count is..that will determine whether i bother to try to join.

 I look at it this way. The  GMs/DMs  are like a food court in a Mall, some of them close games  down when they get bored. Some keep on going through tough times. Players are the same, you'll have 'regulars' who keep stopping by, and you have  som until they see somehting shiny in the  distance and move on.
Sir Swindle
 member, 303 posts
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 16:08
Re: Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
GreenTongue:
There seems to less posts then this time last year.

Has the rise in VTT caused PbP to less popular then ever or is it just the normal summer doldrums?

I don't see how they are even comparable. PbP has a niche because we can't meet at one time. Other platforms have been around for a long time and they don't solve that issue.
pawndream
 member, 188 posts
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 16:27
Re: Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
I haven't been on RPoL as long as many others here (I joined in 2009), but I have been very active on this site through most of the past 12 years and I have definitely noticed a general slowdown that I cannot solely attribute to seasonality. Something else is going on, and it's likely a combination of many factors, not just one thing. Off the top of my head:

  • Other RPG options (e.g., the proliferation and ease of access to VTT within the past few years. It's much easier to find a game, anytime and anywhere)
  • Pandemic fatigue many people feel from so much online time and less desire to sit in front of a computer
  • Forums and message boards are not really the way most people communicate anymore and many gamers have moved to Discord and other social media platforms
  • Aging demographic who grew up with message boards as a communication tool and would be the natural cohort for PbP games


All I know is every game I am involved with is seeing the same issues and I don't think it's just due to spring break, summer, etc.
GreenTongue
 member, 953 posts
 Game Archaeologist
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 16:58
Re: Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
In reply to pawndream (msg # 16):

I think you may have something with Discord.
It seems to be the "new kid on the block" as it easily includes multi-media with text.
As was mentioned, set game times that repeat over and over are still hard, if not harder than before. So,
VTT is still hard to coordinate with several people at the same time, which PbP addresses.
evileeyore
 member, 475 posts
 GURPS GM and Player
 Joined August 2015
Sat 10 Apr 2021
at 19:04
Re: Has TV Killed the Radio Star?
While message boards are dying, and have been for over a decade, they still have one advantage that the new hotness, VTT and live chat apps (Discord, etc) do not have:  Access for people in disparate timezones or those with consistently sporadic free time.



For instance, I enjoy RPoL because I do not have the time to sit down for 4 hours once a week for a face-to-face game, let alone one on VTT or Discord.  I can log in periodically through out the day and respond to the games I'm playing in and could update my games once to twice per day if I were running any.

So for me, message board gaming will always be a preference over the other digital options.