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Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

Posted by DM SoloFor group 0
Turin
Player, 32 posts
Warmage 4
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 08:16
  • msg #28

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC: Clever move! There is the philosophical question if the AoO can really trigger in this case as the attack happens before the provoking action takes place, and if Turin can simply change his action as the hippogriff comes flying by.

Turin whinces as the winged beast comes bearing down on him, talons ripping the skin. His rigorous training aides him though and he manages to complete the spellcasting and retaliates accordingly. Concentration, DC 19 (26) pass.
Elias St Clair
player, 45 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 08:43
  • msg #29

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

The assaulting Hippogriff ignored the missiles, though Waukeen's favor no longer protected the beast from harm.
With a sense of urgency, the celestial minion swiped at Turin, who deftly avoided the blow, but failed to evade the second claw! The creature then missed with her beak and landed on the ground next to her prey.

The invisible waukeenar cast some protective wards about his person and moved closer to his starting zone.

Round 2
Standard: shield of faith - self


Start: A-15
End: A-13

AC: 21
Touch: 13
FF: 21

Effects:
Hippogriff
Invis
Mass resist fire
Shield of faith (3 temp Hp)

Celestial Hippogriff
Round 2

Free:
Standard:
Full: full attack on Turin: Claw (miss), Claw (hit AC 21, pass concealment, 10 damage), bite (miss)


AC: 15
Touch: 11
FF: 13

Start: L/M-12/13 5ft up
End: K/L-12/13 ground level

Effects:

Damage:
Turin: 18

Rolls:
02:27, Today: Elias St Clair rolled 10 using 1d4+6. Damage to turin.
02:26, Today: Elias St Clair rolled 5 using 1d5. Miss Turin on 1.
02:26, Today: Elias St Clair rolled 13,21,12 using d20+8,d20+8,d20+3. Hippo full attack Turin.
Lyssander the Pale
player, 110 posts
Priest of Kelemvor ECL4
Wins 4 || Losses 1
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 12:42
  • msg #30

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

The white sphere heads toward Elias' origination site; Lyssander can see his opponent's luminous form now, and is counting on the eddies of snow to outline the Waukeenar's position even after Turin's spell ends.  There!  Some patches of snow-dusting start collecting on the dawn-lit figure!  The death-priest summons his monstrous scorpion directly adjacent to Elias, and the vermin quickly orients itself (it knows perfectly well where Elias is even without the tell-tale glow, for it has other senses than sight) and begins flailing about with claws and tail.

Round 2:

  [Move] Fly to C14, 10' up
  [Standard] Activate amber ring - summon scorpion, 1 minute

Status:
  Initiative: 4
  AC (Touch AC): 19 (12) (+1 vs. hippogriff)

  Damage Taken: 0
  Damage Dealt: 0

Effects:
Bull's Strength: +4 Strength (28 rounds)
Obscuring Snow: 30' radius snow, total concealment beyond 5', partial concealment within 5' (27 rounds)
Alter Self: Protectar
Tyche's Touch: bonuses to saves (pre-cast)

Final Position: C14, 10' up

Scorpion round 1 (appear B-C/12-13):

  [Free] Clack claws
  [Full-round] Full attack (all miss)

Status:
  Initiative: 4
  AC (Touch AC): 16 (9)

  Damage Taken: 0
  Damage Dealt: 0

Final Position: B-C/12-13

OOC:  Getting dusted with snow is like being dusted with flour.  DM guidance is required on the following questions:
(1)  How long after leaving the Obscuring Snow area does the snow on Elias melt - and at that point does he regain full invisibility or are the stains of dampness visible?  (I'd lean toward regaining full invisibility)
(2)  While marked by snow, Elias presumably still has some concealment.  Would this be full concealment (50%) or normal concealment (20%)?  Not relevant to this round since the scorpion missed its attacks, but may be relevant to future rounds.
This message was last edited by the player at 20:07, Wed 05 Mar 2014.
Turin
Player, 33 posts
Warmage 4
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 14:35
  • msg #31

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC: Hold on a second. How is the hippogriff full attacking, then moving to settle on the ground with only average maneuverability? It looks like Turin should at least get an AoO for the Hippogriff leaving a threatened square.
Turin
Player, 34 posts
Warmage 4
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 14:39
  • msg #32

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC: Also, the Dawnburst spell is still active thus negating the concealment offered by invisibility. For a few more rounds they are visible.
Elias St Clair
player, 46 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 16:20
  • msg #33

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

1. 5ft step to the ground. No AOO.
2. A globe of brilliant radiance erupts silently, as though the light of dawn had arisen.
All creatures in the area glow with light equivalent to a torch for the duration of the spell, making hiding difficult and even revealing the location of invisible creatures.
(Invisible creatures are still considered to have concealment).
In addition, undead and creatures within the area that have light sensitivity or light blindness take 1d6 points of damage, +1 point of damage per caster level (maximum +5).
A successful Reflex save halves this damage.

Location is revealed but no more. Still have total concealment and can't be directly targeted.
Turin
Player, 35 posts
Warmage 4
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 16:31
  • msg #34

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC: forgot about that, sorry. It's concealment though, not total concealment, so 20% miss chance against attack rolls. You can't 5' step in aeral combat AFAIK.

If you are ok with it (since it conforms to the rules) the hippogriff can full attack, and since it doesn't maintain enough forward speed to stay airborn, simply drops to the ground at the end of its turn. It provokes an AoO, but benefits from concealment.
This message was last edited by the player at 19:38, Wed 05 Mar 2014.
Turin
Player, 36 posts
Warmage 4
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 19:43
  • msg #35

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

Round 2 addendum

As the celestial creature touches ground, Turin finds an opening and thrusts his dagger forward, drawing blood from the wing.

AoO (22), pierce concealment (77) success, no crit, damage 4
Elias St Clair
player, 47 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 19:49
  • msg #36

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

Fairly certain a flying 5ft step is allowed and the bird's location was selected with the intent of full attacking, but 4 damage isn't too bad, so we can progress with the damage in limbo until the GM has a chance to rule whether you get an attack.
Lyssander the Pale
player, 111 posts
Priest of Kelemvor ECL4
Wins 4 || Losses 1
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 20:07
  • msg #37

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC:  If the dawn burst revealed Elias' location even before the snow dusting, then Lyssander's actions are slightly different.  (Not much effect on the final result - he still conjures the scorpion etc. - but edited the post above to reflect that Lys was aware of Elias' position even before the snow.  Note, Lys' final position is now C14 rather than D14.)
DM Solo
GM, 277 posts
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 22:30
  • msg #38

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC: Possibly allowed for something with perfect maneuverability.
Lyssander the Pale
player, 112 posts
Priest of Kelemvor ECL4
Wins 4 || Losses 1
Wed 5 Mar 2014
at 23:09
  • msg #39

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC:  Good maneuverability suffices, according to Rules of the Game.

Take 5-Foot Step

A flying creature cannot use the 5-foot step rule unless it has perfect or good maneuverability (and thus no minimum forward speed).


http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20040706a

A hippogriff, alas, does not reach even this lower threshold, and thus is disqualified from taking a 5-foot step in the air.
DM Solo
GM, 278 posts
Thu 6 Mar 2014
at 05:17
  • msg #40

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

Right. I forgot Good also does not need minimum forward speed.
Turin
Player, 37 posts
Warmage 4
Thu 6 Mar 2014
at 10:17
  • msg #41

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

Turin touches the amber amulet he's wearing around his neck and utters a word in the harsh language of the bedine. On the opposite side of the hippogriff a chitinous monstrosity appears and immediately attacks the celestial creature with snapping claws and stinging tail. The first claw manages to grab the beast by the throat and tears it open.

OOC: Pausing here. Hippogriff can't be invisible anymore since it has attacked. Managed to roll a critical hit with the first claw attack leading to damage 19+4+9=32, which by my count exceeds the HP of the beast including the temp HP. Please let me know if I'm mistaken.
Elias St Clair
player, 48 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Thu 6 Mar 2014
at 16:52
  • msg #42

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

You are mistaken. Total HP with temp included is 40. 6 above standard from constitution and 9 from temp Hp.
The Hippogriff was never invisible either. It had concealment from the snow, just like you.
Turin
Player, 38 posts
Warmage 4
Thu 6 Mar 2014
at 18:08
  • msg #43

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC: hence me pausing. You don't need to give out the total, just indicate if it still lives! As for invisibility it says so under hippogriff above. If I've misread I'm sorry. I'll post the rest of this round's actions later today.
Elias St Clair
player, 49 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Thu 6 Mar 2014
at 18:19
  • msg #44

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

Hippogriff has no effects listed though it should have resist fire. Hippogriff itself is listed as one of Elias's effects, which is where invis is listed. Totally understandable confusion due to my poor organization. I don't mind giving out the HP total. Really unfortunate that you both have those terribly underpriced vermin amulets though. I imagine it makes big encounters fairly easy in game!
Turin
Player, 39 posts
Warmage 4
Thu 6 Mar 2014
at 21:36
  • msg #45

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

They aren't that hot in battles really: but when rolling a 20... Back to the game though.

The giant vermin follows up with a snap of its other claw and a thrust with its poisonous stinger. While accurate, the snow is clearly not what the creature is used to and the attacks miss narrowly the glowing hippogriff. Turin takes a step back to put some distance between himself and the sharp talons of the winged beast before sending forth the ball of fire that threatens to singe the warded creature.

Round 2, continued/completed:
  [Move] Move sphere to K12
  [Free] 5' step to N13
  [Standard] Already used

  Initiative: 12
  AC (Touch AC): 18 (12)

  Damage Taken:   8
  Damage Dealt:   13 (Hippogriff)

Effects: Fist of Stone 1 min (+6 STR for attack rolls, etc), Flaming Sphere 2 rounds, Dawnburst 3 rounds,

Final position: N13

Giant vermin
  [Move]
  [Free]
  [Standard] Full attack: second claw and stinger both hit (19, 20), damage 7, 3. Fort save DC14 or take 2 CON damage

  Initiative: 12
  AC (Touch AC): 18 (12)

  Damage Taken:   0
  Damage Dealt:   29 (Hippogriff)

Final position: IJ 12/13
This message was last edited by the player at 08:43, Fri 07 Mar 2014.
Lyssander the Pale
player, 113 posts
Priest of Kelemvor ECL4
Wins 4 || Losses 1
Thu 6 Mar 2014
at 21:59
  • msg #46

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

OOC:  I'm not sure the snow extends to the hippogriff / Turin's scorpion, you may want to recheck the positions.  Lyssander is in C14, 10' up.

Also, don't forget grapple checks for the scorpion's claws...
Elias St Clair
player, 51 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 19:52
  • msg #47

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

Really nothing I can do against your standard action vermin summons. It'll take awhile, but without the full rounds to summon I don't have much offensive power. I'll call uncle again and concede. And promptly buy vermin of my own :)
Turin
Player, 43 posts
Warmage 4
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 20:30
  • msg #48

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

So, when do you get your rapid summons then?
Elias St Clair
player, 53 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 21:22
  • msg #49

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

In reply to Turin (msg # 48):

Either sometime after level 9, with 12 ranks in spellcraft and the quicken spell feat, or after taking a level of specialized conjurer, ditching the familiar for rapid summoning.

Not going to happen :)
Turin
Player, 44 posts
Warmage 4
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 21:27
  • msg #50

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

You should get a metamagic rod then.
Elias St Clair
player, 54 posts
Favored Soul of Waukeen 7
Human W/L/D:1/1/0
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 21:30
  • msg #51

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

In reply to Turin (msg # 50):

It takes me a full round to use metamagic rods as a favored soul. Until I have the "Rapid Metamagic" feat at level 9 I can't use quicken at all. Skill point and money-wise, it'd be easier to just take a level of conjurer.
Lyssander the Pale
player, 115 posts
Priest of Kelemvor ECL4
Wins 4 || Losses 1
Fri 7 Mar 2014
at 21:35
  • msg #52

Re: Elias St Clair vs Turin and Lyssander: the rematch!

I think Elias' instinct to get a vermin amulet is spot on...  Though a rust-colored bag of tricks wouldn't be a bad alternative, for 3k.
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