Bearing in mind this is all completely subject to change. I'll be happy to hear everyone out on this.


2035 - World Government established.
2089 - "Genome Soldiers" project begins.
2113 - Genetic alterations common. A new trend for sentient pets begins.
2174 - The abolition of America. Soon followed by the other greats.
2196 - World Rebellion begins.
2205 - The rise of Mobius and it's capital city Naga.


The mass exodus. 90% of all humans leave Earth to make a new home in space.

31?? - The beginning of "The Great War"
3235 - Present Day



Naga and the Nation of Mobius

What is now considered another ancient culture that only historians know much about, Naga was once the capital of the greatest nation to have ever graced the planet. Named Mobius, the nation was a one-world nation. It had relations with other worlds in the galaxy and represented the entire Earth. So the "Nation of Mobius" was the same as saying "The Nation of Earth", but as time passed, so did the planet's old name. Earth eventually adopted the name of this great one-world nation and became a very powerful and prosperous nation. Materials once thought to be gone forever such as oil became available in abundance through interstellar trade. However, this nation was founded by the current dominators of the planet: The human race. It was their reluctance to treat the other sentient races as equals that eventually led to the downfall of this mighty nation.



Overlanders

Throughout history, Overlanders have had a checkered past.

Records available to Mobians only show as far back as the early 24th century A.D. Overlanders are quite frequently referred to in history books as minor gods and were feared for the most part. Though such superstition was put aside towards the later years of Naga's exsistance. When Naga became a thing of the past, Overlanders were devided on the issue of whether Mobians were equals or not. Those who felt the Mobians were equals fought for legal equality and eventually got it. It would be another hundred years before this equality was in full swing only to be interrupted by the beginning of the great war.

Due to the equal treatment Mobians had gotten, the Mobians did not fear Overlanders anymore and ironically, this meant they were quick to go to war with the Overlanders. This war lasted for a couple generations before it was suddenly made to look insignificant when Robotnik entered the scene and dominated Mobius entirely.

To this day, Overlanders are sometimes called "Human", though mostly by overlanders themselves. Terms like "Humane" or "Barely even human" or "Mankind" or other such like are still used and thus tie the old with the new. But the fact is, overlanders have adopted the new name for the most part.



The Ancient Walkers and other religions

Nobody is quite sure of when, where or how the Ancient Walkers entered the scene. Most assume the trio had been around before the beginning of Mobius... which is technically correct since the trio of gods are from the era just before the beginning of the great nation.

By Mobian records, the Ancient Walkers have been worshipped since as far back as recorded history (Which to a Mobian is usually around 2300).

Actually I doubt Mobius is using AD so a couple changes I think would occur in yuor Lore Timeline, or at least pointed out would be:

 A) Earth/Mobius never had relations with other worlds, if it did it's location would be known and that would invalidate parts of Samuel's background as people would know on the galactic scale that Mobius=Earth due to digital records.

 B) The current superpowers and other nations collapsed due to World War III, The surviving population forged a new nation of Naga afterwards in agreement to avoid a World War 4, that and they ravaged the world. The start of World War III also triggered the 'Mass Exodus' as those who did not want to fight and knew they couldn't save the Earth from the coming destruction simply left to avoid being caught up as collateral damage.

 C) More than 1100 years in the future, due to the evolution of new sentient species no longer remembering their origins despite digital records no doubt existing somewhere. I'd say closer to 4+ thousand years (at least, could be as many as 12-15 thousand) in the future. This occurs simply by having the 'Mobian' calender not be AD, instead when Naga was formed restart the year using for example NE (Naga Era) with the Naga society referring to earlier events either using BN (Before Naga if they don't know about a bit about earlier calenders or AD. Which now 'Modern Mobian' scholars would would think means before 'A priori Destruction' i.e. prior to Destruction, as they would know via legend that Naga was created in the aftermath of the world being devastating and would have lost it's true meaning to the ravages of time. It is possible, assuming that Naga lasted for a long time (400-1000+ years), which is likely which is highly possible, that after Naga eventually collapsed (and ended up taking many of its technological achievements with it, which had become so advanced it was thought to be by 'modern' standards, magic (i.e. Lazarus's Computer Spellbook is from the Naga civilization), also the Nanites or whatever that gave naugus his power was also discovered 'tech' of Naga. I'm guessing Naga ended up getting so powerful it ended up destroying itself, or it collasped to avoid a World War 4 and took out most of its tech with it to avoid the next society of repeating its 'mistake'. The calender wold have restarted again using AN (After Naga) (I assume that NE would be between 400-1000+ years and would make up the reast of the difference between how far in the future things in comparison to the current year.) The current Mobian Calander would be using AN. That means the year is 3235 AN. Also some would also call AN as 'Acorn Nation' as a nickname as that is could also be how long ago House Acorn was formed.

All excellent thoughts and good points. Especially the thing with deleted records. I have a few questions, though, to flesh out these ideas:

1) In the first episode (Heads or Tails), Robotnik is seen returning from outer space (They don't say "Welcome back to Robotropolis", rather, they say "Mobius" which indicates he wasn't on the planet). Why was Robotnik in space? Is it possible that Mobius is, in fact, on the starcharts of aliens and Robotnik deals with aliens, but Mobius is not known as "Earth", therefor Terrans, having lost data about the place would not realise it was their old home planet?

2) I like your thoughts in part B. Though I guess this would have to make WWIII take place pretty far in the future due to deep space travel tech?

And finally, this isn't a question, but a general rule I'm trying to follow. While I don't have problems with making this VERY far in the future or even the changing of a calendar (I've done so in my original storyline "Tomorrow"), I try to keep consistant with history where civilizations never last longer than 1000 years (Take Rome for instance). And history also shows that it doesn't take much for people to forget history either because of burned books or controlled media or even mass willfull ignorance (There are people today who deny Hitler was even a real person and it hasn't even been 100 years yet). So I'm just trying to use real life history and facts to put together a "most likely" future. That thought in mind, perhaps Naga was only one of many nations before the Acorn family came along. This leaves LOTS of room for things like "Little Planet" or "Angel Island" where you are forced to ask "How the bleep did that floating mass of land come about?!"

Another thought: You know this as well as I... but according to the old testament, if you add up the numbers, it's about 4,000 years from Adam's creation to the time Jesus arrives on the scene (Forgive me if I'm recounting wrong and there was actually some gap of years that only the new testament covers, but you get the idea... this is just for a point I'm making). How many nations exsisted? How long did they last? We both remember Nebicinezer's dream (Daniel consiquntly translating it): the head of that statue was made of fine gold, its breast and its arms of silver, its belly and its thighs of bronze, its legs of iron, its feet partly of iron and partly of clay. The parts representing the different nations of the past, present and future of Daniel's time. I think your idea of 4,000 years or more is a good one based on the bible alone due to the fact that by the time Jesus hit the scene, most of what happened from before the flood was gone and forgotten except whatever was passed on through Noah about what God wanted mankind to know. Who were the giants of old (Nephilim)? What nation mocked Noah? What was their culture like? None of us know.

While I'm not saying that old or new testament stuff will be referred to in the story itself since this is, after all, Sonic, I'm *definately* saying that history is a good teacher on how things work. This World War III you mention could be so catastrophic that most of history would be forgotten (Most of the survivers would be youngsters and most of the libraries and data banks would be destroyed). Just as the Library of Alexandria was destroyed and we will never be able to recover what was written in that great lost treasure, it's pheasable that a great war would be enough to erase most of history.

My final questions, I suppose are: how much would be forgotten? WOULD Overlanders have more data than the mobians (I think they would, but I'm curious what you think)? And are there surviving relics to discover that would teach more about lost history such as an old warhead burried under the Great Forest? How did Mobius wind up looking different from the Earth as we know it? (There is a very valid theory that the flood reshaped the Earth from the form it used to have in the beginning).

1) Given the small size of the craft, I'd say he was in space to achieve a higher speed to get from point A on Mobius to point B. I.e. he was turning what would be an 11 hour or more flight with a modern aircraft into maybe an hour flight. After all, if craft in space can circle the world in around 90 minutes, and you only need to go round half the world, assuming only 10 minutes to take off and land you can go from one side of hte planet to the other in just 65 minutes or just over an hour. However it would be quite possible some criminal element in the galaxy have found the planet and would use it as a refuge or if they do business with Robotnik on the black market (which would also keep the 'common masses' in the galaxy unaware that the planet even exist), he has at least enough sense to not let them realize he can roboticize living beings as Robotnik wouldn't risk a) them trying to steal his technology or b) chickening out and informing the space forces or some equivalent group that would currently have the power to stop him.
If Robotnik does deal with alien begins he does so in secret as he doesn't want the FF groups to find out as they could try to mess things up as he's already walkign a fine line by dealing with criminal beings and lieing to them about how he creates his robot workforce. This is actually hinted at in the episode where Sonic and Rotor head onto that low orbiting sensor/spying station (Skyspy) and there is that seemingly organic tentacle monster they encounter which I doubt was native to Mobius, but it could have been a robot but it just didn't look like one. The problem with just the terrans loosing the data about heir home world while other species interact with it, it doesn't take much for another race to realize mobius would be earth and then use that as leverage in a deal with the terrans. After all its not just Terrans that don't realize mobius and earth are the same planet, its pretty much the entire galaxy, heck I doubt if even Robotnik realizes Mobius is Earth, yet, since in one episode he says 'something is rotten in Topeka (sp?). Where ever that is.' which indicates that terrans/overlanders know of earth and know some things about it, at least phrases that have endured, but have lost the history and geography of the planet from prior to WW3. The few criminal elements from alien races that deal with robotnik wouldn't know that mobius is earth, just that mobius is a place they can do business on the black market due to how remote it is as they discovered it after it became mobius.


2) Actually with the technology we have now, it is possible to build geenration ships that could travel to other stars, the only thing stopping us is the cost and praticality. Given current attempts to commercialize space, I'd say in as little as 100 years space travel could be profitable enough (simply due to resources in the rest of the solar system) for companies to have large space craft on hand for various stuff, and it wouldn't be hard to gather enough ships and stuff for a mass exodus.


And regarding the 'not a question': Civilizations tend not to last for thousands of years, but think of how long China's and Japan's history goes back? A nation and group of people can outlast a form of government. It's quite easy for people to forget, but with digital technology around, something would have to occur to wipe out that form of retaining knowledge, and a big war could easily do that. So your quite right about other nations existing around the time of Naga, and it is quite likely. I'm guessing the massed exodus occured in a hurry, so the people who left didn't have time to gather stuff to take with them that wasn't absolutely essential for life. (So no copy of the 'current' historical records.) Now it wouldn't just those that can't fight taking part in the exodus, but people who are trying to stay out of the fight as well.

Of those that survive the war, so much of the infrastructure was destroyed in the war, the survivors would clump together but quickly things would become historical legends, so the humans on mobius would know that they are native to the planet, but their knowledge of the past would be no better than the Mobians due to many factors, all the knowledge destroyed in the war, people trying to reject what they do know simply because they didn't want to believe it.  Additionally, for several generations immediately after the war, people would be more focued on surviving than preserving historical knowledge. That said Overlanders would probably use technology a bit more advanced than Mobians use, which is why when the Overlanders fought with the Mobians, it was only when Julian (aka Robotnik) switched sides and gave the Mobians advanced overlander technology, that the mobians were able to win the war, as the mobians had no realization as to why robotic soldiers that don't need input from living people to make a killing decision is such a bad idea. (Which is why overlanders don't use self aware robot that can operate as independantly as SWATBots, as their loyalties can change due to a programmer. Now remote controled and assisted controled robots would be common place as they are even now being used by the military.
Also, as said in the movie 'The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance (1962)', "When the legend becomes fact, print the legend." Which occurs quite often in real life and historians have several examples of where what the common masses have been taught, isn't what really happened, yet people still believe what has been taught. So there would be plenty of buried relics that are now doubt damaged that give clues to the past, at least for those who know where and how to look. Historians would know that prior to naga and its contemporary nations, there was a massive global war, but not much would be known prior to that due to the destruction of so much. yes it may be possible to find a painting or some other form of art that predates the war that somehow survived, but most of the knowledge would truly be lost forever, which could explain why the time stones were created to try and relearn what was lost. But that 'technology' was no doubt abandoned due to the dangers involved with messing with the timeline.

On the shaping of continents:
Mobius is a fictional world but there's already a basis for continent smashing weapons being real today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H...ral_Research_Program

On a more conventional note, what if a Lex Luthor set off a nuke in the san-andreas fault?  I'd say the way Mobius looks today could easily be linked to WWIII...  However...


On the mass exodus:
Escaping from a massive war doesn't make as much sense to me as escaping from some natural disaster.  In war one of the first things you do is forbid your citizens from leaving your nation.

Here's the scenario that makes sense to me:  Several scientists discover a massive world destroying meteor shower headed for Earth.  Not quite on the order to knock the planet off orbit, but certainly enough to devastate the surface to where life is impossible for many decades if not centuries - the "nuclear winter" scenario.  The wealthy make self-sustaining space ships and head for deep space while the poor are left behind to face their doom.  In a last ditch effort, some remaining people groups manage to weather the storm in extremely deep bunkers with stolen self sustaining tech resembling that on the colony ships.  As far as the space colonists know, Earth/Mobius is a worthless planet and the record of the place becomes more a legend than a planet worth traveling to.  As far as the earth-bound survivors know, the colonists are long gone.

This doesn't preclude Samuel's origin either.  The Dinoinans could simply be a rough-neck people descendant from criminals and political dissidents who lost their connection to Earth's history when they were exiled from one or more of the major deep space colonies - much like the Terrans in Starcraft or even modern day Americans are descendant from exiles - and their incomplete data banks don't have planet Earth on it because they only buy data on worth-while planets that could be part of a mining/trade deal.  It would also explain how he would have something as arcane as Latin and yet not know where it came from - all it takes is one digital copy of the Latin Bible to survive in one faithful Dinonian family.  This scenario would also explain how Robotnik would use expressions who's origin is lost in the fog of time.

Hmm, the to escape a natrual disaster they couldn't prevent is actually very plausible, although if space ships are the means to escape the distaster should be land-based one such as a supervolcano going off as that would be as disasterous as an asteroid without the possibility of someone diverting or destroying the asteroid. Who knows, such a super erruption might even cause some techtonic shifts, although in WW3 the use of nukes along fault lines and other 'super weapons' is a more likely cause for why so much knowledge of the past was destroyed and why the geography of the planet has changed as much as it has.

WW3 would no doubt end up occuring after the exodus as survivors fight over the remaining resources. As resources such as crops to grow food, or functional power plants would now be very scare. History has shown that people riot and fight when there is not enough resources to go around.

Also Dinonians aren't a type of human they are an alien species, think more anthropomorphic 'proto-bird' (like raptors) dinosaurs that evolved on another planet, which just happened to be the first 'extratresstial' race the humans that left earth had contact with.

The only way this changes Samuel's background at all, is that humanity left due to a natural disaster, not their own doing, unless of course the 'natural disaster' was sparked by humanity interfering with the planet, say some foolish nation trying to tap into to much geothermal energy near a super volcano and they triggered a super erruption. (Sort of like what happened in a Stargate Atlantis episode wehre a civilization was tapping into a super volcano for power and tapped too much energy and triggered a super volcanic erruption that forced the civilization to flee the planet.) In such a scenario, Samuel's background doesn't really change at all, as humanity was still the cause of why they left...it just wasn't due to a war, just a natural disaster that humanity brought upon itself.

And even then, nothing says Samuel has the facts. It could be a natural disaster and the people who write the history books say it was war. But that's just splitting hairs. I like the idea of a self-imposed natural disaster. But OK... what has happened since?

Hmm, after the natural disaster that humanity caused and the Exodus that followed, WW3 would break out as people fight over the remaining resources they can use.

After WW3 ends, new nations would form, Naga would be one of the more prominent of. This would end up using a new calander type and the world start beign called mobius instead of earth. Also genetic engineering is allowed to create new species to try and replace the lost workerbase and resources from the natural disaster and exodus. This is when 'mobians' and some robots would be made truly sentient and end up working as labor for the most part. One group of humans rejects the idea of using Mobians as slave labor and makes prepairations to go underground to avoid being attacked or stamped out by the larger nations. This group of people ends up being the ancestors of Station Square and they tend to rely on

While the humans in naga and other surface nations are now free to focus on science and art and thus make significant step forward in developing technology so advanced mobians beleive it is magic. (Lazaar and Nagus are from this time. Lazaar preserved himself through stasis, and nagus used other technology to keep himself alive, although the process hass over time made him into the creature he is now as opposed to being a 'normal' human.) However after a few centuries the Mobians desire for freedom and their masters refusal to give it, leads to a workerbase revolt. Naga and the other nations of that time collapse as the ruling class of those nations can't keep their nations going without a workerbase. In the aftermath the current nations, Mobian Kingdoms are formed and the calander is reset to the current mobian calander. Surving humans from the now destroyed nations go into hiding, but few survive due to not having the knowledge they need to survive on their own, descendants of those that do survive either end up beign forced off most of the planet into a nearby space colony with a few remote parts of mobius still under their control, instead they ended up stranded in space or on refuges of levitating land mass they made to get away from the mobians they could no longer control. However the humans on these levitating landmasses eventuality were forced to flee those and merge with the sspace based nation to avoid inbreeding as the populations on those areas had grown so small they could not support themselves. A few others being acepted into Station square. Human sympathizers that had sided with the Mobians during the revolt as they felt the mobians should not be treated as slaved are allowed to live with the mobians. Through the centuries that followed, a lot of the advances made were lost for various reasons, and some mobians may have found their way onto some of the larger levitated landmasses (angel island and the small planet)

Robotnik and Snively are descended from the humans that fled into space colonies after the mobian revolt. When descendants of these humans tired of living in space and in remote parts of the world, tried to attack the mobian kingdoms to reclaim what their ancestors had their more advanced technology gives them an undeniable edge until Julian (Robotnik) and Snively defect and make an army of robot soldiers for House Acorn.