DM Pinkbunny:
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God's original creation was perfect. Disobedance and the fall flawed it. I believe God works to save as many humans as can be saved before sin finally tears this world apart. Jesus was sent as the great rescuer, to allow a way for man to achieve righteousness, even if it is indirect, and therefore allow man to enter into the presence of the Lord.
A perfect creation is one that will not disobey nor fall. An Omniscent god must have known that it would would disobey and fall. This is quite scary.
I don't pretend to understand why the World is the way it is. Here is my theory and believe me I want to underline I have this reasoning simply because it popped in my head. I struggle with my own bias against the supernatural. My faith is far from perfect.
I speculate that God created the world in anticpation of the fall. He gave man the power of choice. Hmmm let me go back further. God created the universe xxx million years ago and it was all good. The angels where the first of His children, again created in His own image. He didn't put them through any trials or tribulations, rather He lavished them with everything they could want or need. Time passes and Satan decides he wants more because no matter what he must always bow to one. He starts a rebellion in heaven and is put out of God's presence. God's remaining angels are His totally and faithfully, but God wants more. He wants followers that could have rejected him rather than followers (angels) that He created to follow him. Their love and devotion is all the more sweeter because they faced the fire to be with him. Their love wasn't created for Him. It was given to Him. (Anyone following me here) Well God made the world and allowed sin to enter it. This set off a chain of events designed to 1: Populate the enitre world with potental followers 2: Test their faith to weed out the ones who are simply fair-weather followers 3: prepare the world for the final chapters of our history.
To put it into an earthly vision. I love to hunt. I have killed many animals over the last few years and I remember each one. But I can honestly say that the trophies I love the most are the ones that I worked the hardest for.
Do you feel this way about something in your life???
DM Pinkbunny:
I would rather have the admiration of men, than that of sheep. It is my personal opinion that the admiration of a reasoned person who has examined all the facts, and come to the conclusion that I exist and am someone to be admired than someone who believes because their parents told them to believe and fear, or they would be damned for eternity. Your argument also works reasonably well for every religion in existance, why yours?
Well lets get a few things out in the open.
A: I'm not about religion. I'm about relationship. BIG difference. I want that relationship. Religion is just a term.
1: My parents aren't religious and therefore didn't train me to be a christian. In fact for a time I denouced God when I enetered into middle school.
2: I disagree with you about having a reasoned, totally informed view.
(to give an earthly view)
Would you even ask a girl to marry you if you knew she would say no? How would that knowledge affect your attitude and actions toward her? Toward others. Do you thrill to the chase? You might never live life to the fullest if you knew that no one would marry/love you.
3: My statements are not arguements. I state the truth as I believe.
As for every religion, Christianty's in it's simpliest form is the only truely non-preformance based religion. It's the fairest and easiest.
1: Anyone CAN do it
2: Everyone is WELCOME to do it
3: Everyone does it the SAME way.
All of the other religions in the world require you to act a certain way, wear your clothes this way, eat this or that, whatever. Christianty only requires that you put your faith in Christ to pay the blood bill of your sin.
DM PB:
Do you have a MSN IM Jacktucker(or even yahoo or AIM)? I would be interested in continuing this conversation in real(er) time.
PM me and I'll send you my contact info.