The Mess (General OOC)   Posted by Cap'n Rae.Group: 0
Craig Sutherland
 player, 731 posts
 Lt., 42 Cdo, RMC
 Cymon
Sun 12 Jul 2015
at 21:13
Re: The Airing of Grievances
In reply to Cap'n Rae (msg # 211):

Sorry that probably did not come across like I intended. There just seemed to have been a lot of horse trading going on in the background.
Robert 'Tuck' Tucker
 player, 1692 posts
 P Sgt., 10th MD
 Corkman
Sun 12 Jul 2015
at 21:42
Re: The Airing of Grievances
In reply to Cap'n Rae (msg # 211):

I would like to think this can be worked out.  I would prefer to work it out and make things right so there isn't any tension or, very little tension.  Once again, I think if we reset to just before we let the General and the new NPC medic on board, hammer out what needs to be done with an operations meeting, and then move forward.
Jan Cerny
 player, 1743 posts
 Sergent Chef, FFL
 Mahatatain
Tue 14 Jul 2015
at 00:01
Re: The Airing of Grievances
OK - firstly sorry for my absence for the last few days - RL stuff caught up with me.  Nothing bad but a lot of paperwork to deal with regarding moving house (I've bought a new one).

I haven't read the IC thread yet, just most of the discussion above.  I'm therefore not entirely sure what's happened to cause this issue because I thought that we were doing a reasonable job of muddling through merging the two groups.  Little bits of IC interactions between characters to build relationships and so on.  Maybe I've missed something though.

I would like to continue with the game and I think that most of the issues outlined above about two groups being pushed together can be resolved IC by a firefight.  The simple game mechanic of putting everyone under fire together will build some trust between people and that might be the easiest solution.
Craig Sutherland
 player, 732 posts
 Lt., 42 Cdo, RMC
 Cymon
Tue 14 Jul 2015
at 01:04
Re: The Airing of Grievances
In reply to Robert 'Tuck' Tucker (msg # 214):

Sounds like a plan.
Elizabeth 'Lizzie' Kane
 player, 33 posts
 Lt. Cmdr., USN
 keys138
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 12:28
Re: The Airing of Grievances
I'm back.

Catching up.
Robert 'Tuck' Tucker
 player, 1693 posts
 P Sgt., 10th MD
 Corkman
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 14:42
Re: The Airing of Grievances
SO, just to recap, we're still all in except for Phillips' player?
Anders Mattson
 player, 152 posts
 Kapteeniluutnantti
 mediiic
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 15:50
Re: The Airing of Grievances
All in.
Jelena Tamm
 player, 36 posts
 Red Army Deserter
 Silent Hunter
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 16:06
Re: The Airing of Grievances
Still in.
Mariusz Tokarski
 player, 1228 posts
 Teenaged Partisan
 mark 101
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 16:09
Re: The Airing of Grievances
Here.
Jan Cerny
 player, 1744 posts
 Sergent Chef, FFL
 Mahatatain
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 16:13
Re: The Airing of Grievances
Still here.
Craig Sutherland
 player, 733 posts
 Lt., 42 Cdo, RMC
 Cymon
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 19:20
Re: The Airing of Grievances
Yes here.
Konrad Bayer
 player, 1938 posts
 Hauptman, Pzg
 the fusilier
Wed 15 Jul 2015
at 22:27
Re: The Airing of Grievances
Here.
Anastasjia Kovac
 player, 20 posts
 U.S. State Department
 Tegyrius
Thu 16 Jul 2015
at 21:48
Re: The Airing of Grievances
I'm out.  While the IC issues may be resolvable, the OOC issues aren't going to be resolved if the other parties refuse to acknowledge that they even are issues.  Loath as I am to cede the field to such behavior (again), I no longer see a net benefit to staying in this game.

@Fusilier: To say I don't know what's going on with you would be an understatement.  Over in your game, you were pleasant, responsive, and easy to work with.  Here, you're barely communicative.  I've provided you with the elaboration you requested.  In the absence of a reply, I don't know how to take that other than another refusal to acknowledge my concerns, repeating the pattern that led me to quit the first time.

@Cymon: To directly answer the issues you raised up-thread: I mentioned my OOC issues with you to Rae when I saw you had joined Last War.  Then, as at the previous end of Pirates, he asked me to keep it to myself so as to avoid conflict (he's regrettably kind-hearted like that).  I find nothing "revolting" - your term - about Pirates.  It's a good story and I wouldn't keep following Rae from game to game (six, counting Pirates once) if he were a revolting GM.  Your behavior is another matter.

You were the first, in this thread, to complain about "the 'strong woman' type" - again, your term - and specifically call out my play of Connolly.  It might be different if your accusation were valid or accurate.  In light of the actual IC sequence of events, it is neither.  Your previous statements in OOC and PM indicated that Craig's gender bias was wholly IC.  By your OOC restatement of it, you've made it clear that the misogyny and pig-ignorance are yours, not Craig's.

And, yes, Lizzie and Ana were both deliberate bait to see if you would react again in the same way to more female PCs.  Congratulations: you failed.  I don't know what your problem is but I'm not going to waste any more time exploring it.

@Rae: I'm done here.
Mark Scully
 player, 41 posts
 E7, USN SEALs
 Dave Ross
Thu 16 Jul 2015
at 21:55
Re: The Airing of Grievances
I'm out.
Konrad Bayer
 player, 1939 posts
 Hauptman, Pzg
 the fusilier
Thu 16 Jul 2015
at 22:10
Re: The Airing of Grievances
I was under the impression that everyone was going to work towards making everything happen. I haven't seen any resistance to any of the issues that were raised. I agreed with Dave's request for clarification - "I take it you are also OK with what’s proposed by the retcon, i.e. that it establishes the Polaris team as equals to Bayer, not subordinate, and they’ll have full involvement in the ic decision making processes?" Which I said I was.

I've been expecting the game to resume at any moment as I thought we were in agreement.

I was content with the elaboration, and didn't feel like it needed to be made into a big deal so I dropped it.
Jan Cerny
 player, 1745 posts
 Sergent Chef, FFL
 Mahatatain
Thu 16 Jul 2015
at 23:34
Re: The Airing of Grievances
Anastasjia Kovac:
And, yes, Lizzie and Ana were both deliberate bait to see if you would react again in the same way to more female PCs.  Congratulations: you failed.  I don't know what your problem is but I'm not going to waste any more time exploring it.

Tegyrius,

Are you saying that you were deliberately trying to cause problems in Rae's game?  That's what that statement sounds like but I'm hoping that I'm wrong.  If you were that's massively disrespectful to both Rae and the other players.

Personally I'm really confused with what's gone on here.  We had a serious IC problem (on both "sides") with the introduction of the new characters but I thought that we had worked out a way to resolve it.

Anastasjia Kovac:
From where I sit, the real problem is that some long-established players have a knee-jerk paranoia toward any character whose personal story concept extends beyond shutting up and unquestioningly following Konrad's orders.

Can I also say that I really disagree with this statement from several days ago.  I am actually very interested in the story arcs that new characters introduce.  With Jan the vast majority of his background "hooks" have been used up already in this campaign so new characters being introduced presents me as a player with new opportunities for roleplaying or creating new hooks.  For example Jan had just gathered IC that Ana speaks Czech and that presents me with a roleplaying opportunity.  I missed the initial opportunity to respond due to RL mayhem but it was something that I was planning to come back to.

I therefore disagree strongly with your statement above and I'm really sorry that you and the others have decided to quit the game.

Andy.
Robert 'Tuck' Tucker
 player, 1694 posts
 P Sgt., 10th MD
 Corkman
Fri 17 Jul 2015
at 02:27
Re: The Airing of Grievances
I'm glad that the majority of the group has stayed on.  I do wish we could've 'repaired/fixed' this problem and played on.  I do admit that there were issues on the standing crew side and maybe we did go about it all wrong and how we role=played (or I guess a lack of role-playing on our part) it.  It should've went better.

I was stupid for going out of the way to get the new NPC medic a weapon right away when the new PC's were walking around with empty mags in their rifles.

THAT is one of the reasons I DO NOT ask to be anything more than how I play my PC because I do stupid things like this and tend to drop the ball when it comes to tasking.
Cap'n Rae
 GM, 3048 posts
 Tour Director
 Narrator
Fri 17 Jul 2015
at 16:43
Re: The Airing of Grievances

Things are messier than ever. A lot of it is going on behind the scenes. I'm not sure if this game still has a future. I hope to come to some sort of a resolution/decision over the weekend.

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Cap'n Rae
 GM, 3049 posts
 Tour Director
 Narrator
Sun 19 Jul 2015
at 22:52
The Journey Ends

After a lot of thought, I've decided that I won't be running Twilight Cruise. This past week, 3/4 of the new players quit, Fuse then counter-quit in an effort to bring the new players back, and two players didn't comment at all, indicating (to me at least) that they don't care one way or the other whether this game lives or dies. That's a total of six out of 12 players.

Even if some of those players decided to come back, there's just too much bad mojo attached to this game now. It stopped being fun for me about three weeks ago, a feeling I am sure most of you share. I'm not sure how I would write 4-6 PCs out, nor am I interesting in NPC'ing that many additional characters.

I'm sorry for letting those of you who wanted to this game to continue down.

I want to issue another heartfelt thank you to all of you who tried to keep this campaign going in the midst of some pretty persistent OOC and IC strife. It means a lot to me that a few of you really fought to keep this game alive.

I had big plans for this campaign. Since nothing was going on in this game IC for the last couple of weeks, I spent some time putting my ideas for the upcoming chapter/s on paper and the project really took off. For those of you curious about what lay ahead, some possibilities are addressed here.

http://forum.juhlin.com/showthread.php?t=4881

So that's it. I'm sorry that it didn't work out. I game with almost all of you in other campaigns here on RPoL, so I'll definitely be seeing you around. I wish you all the best.

Peace,

Rae

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This message was last edited by the GM at 22:53, Sun 19 July 2015.

Craig Sutherland
 player, 734 posts
 Lt., 42 Cdo, RMC
 Cymon
Sun 19 Jul 2015
at 23:18
Re: The Journey Ends

To be honest with you Rae I have been quiet because every time I have tried to explain or apologise it has only made things worse. I believe you still have 9 players willing to play according to the sound off earlier in the OOC. Given that a lot of players have been here for many years I don't think there will be a problem with willing people to continue with the game.
Jan Cerny
 player, 1746 posts
 Sergent Chef, FFL
 Mahatatain
Sun 19 Jul 2015
at 23:19
Re: The Journey Ends
Sorry to hear this Rae.  Really sorry.  As i said to you I think that the IC problems could be resolved with a restart but I don't know how the OOC ones can be.

Hope you're not too down about this.

Andy
Anders Mattson
 player, 153 posts
 Kapteeniluutnantti
 mediiic
Mon 20 Jul 2015
at 00:39
Re: The Journey Ends
I am sorry to see this campaign end. For the while I was a part of it, it was a very good ride for me and I believe I am not the only one. I thank you, Rae, about this campaign as well as the other players.

Now, do not take this the wrong way, but I might have another campaign for those willing (and of course there's the Rae's campaign that is on hold). My upcoming campaign uses the 2013 rules and is set in a post-nuclear exchange Iraq under a custom-built timeline. The story will begin with a USMC infantry platoon (reinforced), tasked with protecting the Haditha dam. Throw me a PM or rMail if interested.
Robert 'Tuck' Tucker
 player, 1695 posts
 P Sgt., 10th MD
 Corkman
Mon 20 Jul 2015
at 01:19
Re: The Journey Ends
Craig Sutherland:
To be honest with you Rae I have been quiet because every time I have tried to explain or apologise it has only made things worse. I believe you still have 9 players willing to play according to the sound off earlier in the OOC. Given that a lot of players have been here for many years I don't think there will be a problem with willing people to continue with the game.

I agree Rae however, if you're not going to be in to it, then I guess we have to live with it.

I think there's still enough interest in the game from the players who are still in if we can easily work them out of the scenario (i.e. maybe they finally got some orders to complete another mission, etc.).  Hate to see it go again but will respect your wishes Rae.

It was fun while it lasted...

John
Jelena Tamm
 player, 37 posts
 Red Army Deserter
 Silent Hunter
Tue 21 Jul 2015
at 19:26
Re: The Journey Ends
Shame you're calling it a day. Thanks for running the games.
Robert 'Tuck' Tucker
 player, 1696 posts
 P Sgt., 10th MD
 Corkman
Sat 25 Jul 2015
at 23:13
Re: The Journey Ends
I was hoping on a change of heart but once again, I understand.  I will be taking this off of my watched thread but please don't remove me from the game!

Best wishes to all,
John (Tucker)