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OOC 3.

Posted by helbent4For group 0
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1254 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 03:20
  • msg #744

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 743):

And Kel is shotgun and radio  (The radio is usually mounted up front between the front two seats on a HMMWV, the back is for the gunner to stand, ect)
helbent4
GM, 2019 posts
aka Tony
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 05:22
  • msg #745

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 744):

1) Andrews has 2 spare rounds plus one in the weapon?

2) What kind are the ready round and the spare, HEAT?

3) How many rounds total, and what kinds? (There are really 2 types: HE and HEAT.) Tremblay will grab a few rounds from stowage to act as loader. In fact, Andrews doesn't need to carry any spare rounds at all, that's what the loader's for.


So Hawke is driving, Kel is passenger/signaller, Abbot is VG, with Andrews and Tremblay in the rear seats as a kind of backup AT team. Any bailout plan?

Tony
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1255 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 05:38
  • msg #746

Re: OOC 3

helbent4:
In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 744):



So Hawke is driving, Kel is passenger/signaller, Abbot is VG, with Andrews and Tremblay in the rear seats as a kind of backup AT team. Any bailout plan?

Tony



Yes.  I figure she still has a decent view there?
helbent4
GM, 2020 posts
aka Tony
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 05:49
  • msg #747

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 746):

I guess so, not as good as the traditional VC position, up top! Any plan on dismounting if you get ambushed? Probably not important, just curious.

For Abbot's information, the M240 is mounted in a sheet-metal cupola so he has some cover from incoming fire.

Tony
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1256 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 05:59
  • msg #748

Re: OOC 3

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 747):

Absolutely!  The 3 'passengers' are a foot patrol, and that includes Kel.  She might drop the two backseaters for a flanking, or three and take over the cupola.  Depending on the urgency.  She has Fieldcraft, so not worried about Kel dismounted a bit.
Thomas Matthew Andrews
player, 13 posts
Fleet Protection Group RM
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 06:25
  • msg #749

Re: OOC 3

helbent4:
In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 744):

1) Andrews has 2 spare rounds plus one in the weapon?

2) What kind are the ready round and the spare, HEAT?

3) How many rounds total, and what kinds? (There are really 2 types: HE and HEAT.) Tremblay will grab a few rounds from stowage to act as loader. In fact, Andrews doesn't need to carry any spare rounds at all, that's what the loader's for.



So Hawke is driving, Kel is passenger/signaller, Abbot is VG, with Andrews and Tremblay in the rear seats as a kind of backup AT team. Any bailout plan?

Tony


HE in the weapon and HEAT spare. I think we worked out 12 in total six HEAT and six HE. Thanks.

Cymon.
Stanley Alistair Abbot
player, 22 posts
1/RMRR
Infanteer
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 08:26
  • msg #750

Re: OOC 3

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 747):

Sheet metal? Comforting.

Does the cupola have any traverse mechanism?  If so, Abbot plays with a bit to get the hang of it.
helbent4
GM, 2021 posts
aka Tony
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 10:27
  • msg #751

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 750):

It's better than nothing! It's not like the Humvee is armoured, either. It does have a traverse, and swings freely.

I was talking with a US Marine who did some research on the C7/C8:

quote:
...the data I have seen indicates that
Diemaco/Colt Canada M16/M4 clones shoot better than US M16/M4s, without
even considering the Elcan sights.  They aren't built exactly like the
originals.  In particular, they seem to have ended up with heavier barrels
(which are also cold-hammer forged), despite objections from Colt USA, and
which ironically, are much like those now being put on newer M4A1s to
improve accuracy and reliability.  They are reported by British SBS to
shoot around 1.4 MOA vs. 2-4 for an M16A2.  (2.5 is pretty common for M16s,
but 4 is the minimum accepted in the government specification paper.)


So it's viable that a designated marksman could use the issue small arms for precision work as they pretty accurate.


Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:45, Sat 27 Apr 2013.
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1258 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Sat 27 Apr 2013
at 17:24
  • msg #752

Re: OOC 3

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 751):

Well, there you go =)

Even the C8 Carbine is awesome.
helbent4
GM, 2023 posts
aka Tony
Thu 2 May 2013
at 06:38
  • msg #753

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 752):

Team,

FYI,

The photo of the HA in the V-100 is, as mentioned, from Mac's earlier recce of the now-flooded free market.

In real life, this is from a trip Javier and I took to the old army base in Chilliwack. Now the site of a military vehicle museum and RCMP/Militia training area. This was a "full patch" HA up from the USA for a large gathering at the Langley clubhouse compound.

He said he had recently returned from serving in the US military in Iraq, I don't recall his chapter. Interestingly, his vest was in a digital camouflage pattern. Bike gangs feel an affinity for and make efforts to recruit military personnel. Not just because of their skills and training, but because of a perceived shared lifestyle revolving around violence, mayhem, brotherhood and hierarchy. According to a coworkerTom, a former biker, HA's have a paramilitary-esque structure and wear coded and numbered insignia that denotes rank in the organisation.

(Tom was part of a legendary Canadian biker gang called the "Satan's Choice". Steve Earle wrote a song about them. They effectively disbanded and Tom turned in his colours and gave away his bike when the Choice were "patched over" en masse to the HAs in 1978, becoming the first Angels north of the border.)

Tony
Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald
player, 257 posts
1/RMR - DRI
Rifleman
Thu 2 May 2013
at 07:22
  • msg #754

Re: OOC 3

Interesting. In Cheshire, where I live, there are quite a few bikers but although you'll see them at weekends/holidays in HA originals, most are 'part-timers' - they hold down regular day jobs and ride out as a hobby rather than the full-time biker gangs of the US. Think there's a big rally Monday, as it happens.
Alain Belanger
GM, 174 posts
Provost
UBC
Fri 3 May 2013
at 10:52
  • msg #755

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 754):

You should go down and see the bikes!

Everyone, it is abso-fucking-lutely critical that you calculate carried weight from your characters. Some of you have done it, some have not. I need this ASAP!

Tony
helbent4
GM, 2025 posts
aka Tony
Fri 3 May 2013
at 20:08
  • msg #756

Re: OOC 3

Team,

For weights, look at the T2K13 rules, starting pg 215:

https://docs.google.com/file/d...Sk0/edit?usp=sharing

The standard CF Kevlar vest of the time would probably be a Tactical Vest with extensions, plus front/back lvl III plates.

Again, sorry for putting this off!

Tony
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1260 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Fri 3 May 2013
at 20:10
  • msg #757

Re: OOC 3

Alain Belanger:
In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 754):

You should go down and see the bikes!

Everyone, it is abso-fucking-lutely critical that you calculate carried weight from your characters. Some of you have done it, some have not. I need this ASAP!

Tony



I thought I did it for Kelsey, did I not?  Or am I thinking about Lee?
helbent4
GM, 2026 posts
aka Tony
Fri 3 May 2013
at 20:16
  • msg #758

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 757):

Some of you have done this, some not. Unfortunately, I can't find your list! This would be a good time to tweak anything, as well.

Tony
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1262 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Fri 3 May 2013
at 21:13
  • msg #759

Re: OOC 3

helbent4:
Team,

For weights, look at the T2K13 rules, starting pg 215:

https://docs.google.com/file/d...Sk0/edit?usp=sharing

The standard CF Kevlar vest of the time would probably be a Tactical Vest with extensions, plus front/back lvl III plates.

Again, sorry for putting this off!

Tony


Tac vest = 3.8 KG
Extensions = 0.7 KG
Level III Front/back = 1.7 KG
Level III side = 0.9 KG

Total = 6.2 KG, with III side = 7.1 KG  (Kel would take the extra kilo for level III side)
helbent4
GM, 2027 posts
aka Tony
Fri 3 May 2013
at 21:25
  • msg #760

Re: OOC 3

Team,

As a correction, I realise that the standard NATO ammo pouches carry 2 mags, not 3. A web belt/yoke/harness with 2x 2-cell mag pouches, holster and 2-sidearm magazine pouch is 1.4kg.

For reference, the standard CF vest (Tactical vest/extensions + front/back Trauma III plates) is 6.2kg.

Basic clothing (combats and boots) is 3.2kg. For now, count this weight but I'll make a final decision whether this is actually counted or not.

Tony
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1263 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Fri 3 May 2013
at 22:06
  • msg #761

Re: OOC 3

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 760):

puts Kel over by about 2 KG, and she has muscle 9
helbent4
GM, 2028 posts
aka Tony
Mon 6 May 2013
at 10:28
  • msg #762

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 761):

I was looking at the CF body armour of the day, the "Personal Fragmentive Protective Vest System". It's essentially the same as the PASGT vest, adopted in 1994 to replace a whole mess of US vests (M1952 and M69, PASGT) and even British vests. Your Canadian-made Kevlar CG634 helmets are similar to the US PASGT helmet, but is based on a French design.

Luckily, Belanger had a load of the new vests sent over. (These are the ones that have the extensions and trauma plates.) You have no idea where he got them, but they smell very new. The new vests and your Kevlar helmet covers are in a wacky green digital pattern (CADPAT) that few of you save the commandos have seen before.

Tony
Stanley Alistair Abbot
player, 25 posts
1/RMRR
Infanteer
Mon 6 May 2013
at 17:59
  • msg #763

Re: OOC 3

Nice.  Thanks Captain B!
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1265 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Thu 9 May 2013
at 03:19
  • msg #764

Re: OOC 3

Tony.... might need to back out or mod my post, when it was first mentioned you said that this was something normal, nothing new.  Something that had been ongoing?  So I took no special note on the radio interference.

Is the story now that it has increased?
helbent4
GM, 2031 posts
aka Tony
Thu 9 May 2013
at 05:28
  • msg #765

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 764):

The interference on the long-range net has increased. It's difficult to raise New West. Your tactical comms are not affected, likely because those are digital and not analog. Kel can make a Electronics roll to determine more about the situation.

Tony
Kelsey Sarah Champlain
player, 1266 posts
3/CSR - DRI
CF Sergeant
Thu 9 May 2013
at 06:15
  • msg #766

Re: OOC 3

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 765):

OOOH!  When did it increase?
This message was last edited by the player at 06:17, Thu 09 May 2013.
helbent4
GM, 2032 posts
aka Tony
Thu 9 May 2013
at 10:12
  • msg #767

Re: OOC 3

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 766):

Read my posts from Monday, that should clear it up.


Tony
helbent4
GM, 2036 posts
aka Tony
Fri 10 May 2013
at 20:29
  • msg #768

Re: OOC 3

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 767):

1) Seeing we're getting up there in the "Safari" thread, I started a new IC thread and transferred a bunch of posts.

2) I already assumed you are travelling in a kind of inchworm fashion, what's known as "rolling overwatch". This was taken into account with respect your average speed of 20 km/h.

3) To my understanding, the Humvee takes a bound to next cover while Iltis waits in overwatch. While the Humvee waits the Iltis moves up behind. After, the Humvee takes its next bound. The vehicles will not change overall positions?

Tony
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