I don't mean to gainsay a player action, but anyone I've talked to who's been a sniper (including the CF) will emphatically say never climb a tree to shoot. Using it to observe is one thing, but you're usually supposed to displace after every shot and it's tough to do when you're up in a tree. Plus, once they spot you you're in a lot of trouble because while you have concealment you have no cover!

Tony

Never been a sniper (I'm left-handed), but Mac is primarily interested in observing at this point.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 945):

Fair enough and neither have I, but it's an important tidbit I thought would be valuable to pass along.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 946):

Is Kel within grenade range, or might she be able to lock a shot on the guy on the Karl G?  She's a damn good shot and taking out that big machine gun for even a few seconds will mean a lot in this combat... which I don't feel a bit good about.

Hi Tony,

Just a couple of questions;

Is the tank moving at the moment or has it changed its position and stopped ? Is it likely that Andrews could get another angle of attack from around the side of the house or would there be trees in the way ?

Cymon.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 948):

1) The tank is still moving. It is swerving off the road towards the store where Belanger is located. The store is set back from the road, so it will soon pass out of sight.

2) The house where Andrews, and Tremblay are located is set back from the road and has a privacy hedge with interspaced trees, so he doesn't have LOS to the tank.

3) To get a shot, you need to move back up to the ditch. Maybe the tank will be there by the time Andrews/Tremblay gets back into position?

Here is a simplified map to clarify the tactical situation:



Further, Abbot and Hawke aren't doing anything more than covering the south, to my knowledge?

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 949):

I take it that MG is behind enough armor that Kelsey can't do much?

Get our heads down and feint?

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 949):

I have nothing I can use to stop a tank, IIRC.

Where's the wounded guy?

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 951):

1) Hawke would probably have nothing that would stop a tank, although a 40mm HEDP might track it, which is better than nothing.

2) But your focus here should not necessarily to destroy the tank, it's not like you get bonus points for that! (Although you would probably get a medal and bragging rights.) Belanger is an important asset/NPC, and he along with his HQ detachment is pinned down. Preventing them from being captured will almost certainly frustrate the enemy force from gaining an important objective, right?

3) Conklin, the wounded sniper, is now in the Cougar at the upper left. (It's north of the smoke screen on 248st, for anyone keeping score.) Taras dragged him into the vehicle.

4) This is not emphasised on the map but the area to the south is not clear but has hedge lines, fences, trees and houses, which have been omitted (but are still there).

5) The Tank Commander has a Dushka (12.7mm HMG) at his hatch. There is a coax as well.

6) Someone asked about airbursting the Carl G.? Oddly, I have heard of well-practiced crews that can fire them indirect with some accuracy, but the problem is there are trees in between that are just too high!

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:39, Sat 30 Nov 2013.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 952):

Looks like Kel has cover from the tank in her ditch.
Can she advance closer to the action with cover in it?

And for right now, what can she see and report to Taras to help him out.

Turret facings, movements, deployments?

What can my girl see to report in?
This message was last edited by the player at 15:56, Sat 30 Nov 2013.

Where's my tree?

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 954):

Mac is the top "single man" marker to the south:

https://maps.google.com/maps/m...pn=0.005985,0.009645

Switch to Satellite to get a better look.




"Kel's" player was just waiting on if she had LOS or not to post. But we know Abbot's request to flank south was put in a while ago (about 15-30 seconds in game time) but things just go slow in a PBEM. As well, there was a PBEM problem where the idea for Abbot and Hawke to flank south was brought up and agreed in OOC, but the order was never specifically given IC. Fog of war. We're all on the same page now, Abbot and Hawke have now gotten the order to move.

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:36, Sat 30 Nov 2013.

That was me. The HE munition can be set for air-burst or direct fire, a very interesting idea and I think unique in a Anti-tank weapon.

The trees run the length of the road as a single row but there are none at the intersection. So Andrews was going to lob a rocket (Is that the correct term ?) behind the row of trees onto the intersection. Probably not far from his present position or back at the Humvee.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:36, Sat 30 Nov 2013.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 956):

I think it is a spin-stabilised 84mm rocket that is BAOL (Burn All On Launch).

Good points, you can fire indirect, it's just have trees that are too close to you! As well, there are friendlies running around the target area.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 957):

Andrews was going to radio a warning before firing. I managed to pick up a couple of manuals for the launcher a couple of weeks ago. A current New Zealand one and a Canadian copy, very interesting reading.

Next week I am going to look at an actual Carl Gustav a friend has in his collection. He has several sub-calibre launch rounds so could be fun.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 958):

Very cool!

The trees are just too close. If you go out into the street you could probably get the clearance. I checked the range, it's 200m. You could probably fire indirect.

A friend of mine who was in an AT unit was telling me about showing off the Carl G's indirect fire capability while training in the US (WA) and the Yanks, in turn, demonstrated how they could do the same with TOW missiles, plus "thread the needle" between and around stands of trees and other tricks.

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 22:01, Sat 30 Nov 2013.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 959):

If he goes out into the street he could just fire at the tank I assume ? Mmmm take out the infantry and commander or face some 12.5 and take out the tank.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 960):

He can't tell.

By the time he gets there, the tank could be gone because it's not stopped.

Tony

"Threading the needle" with a MILAN during a training exercise (Spanish Army) helped to set 25 trees on fire.

Somebody wasn't too pleased after that!

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 955):

Ideally we will be able to evac the Hotel through a door or window on the east side of the building and back past the first tree/fence line to break LOS.   Abbot will stay back to buy time and protect the group as they retreat to the truck. Anything that gets too close will get hosed with the C9.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 963):

Which truck?  I got the hummer stuck in a septic tank.  :(

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 964):

Yes. The HMMWV.  It has all of out food, water and ammo. As well as a loaded MAG-58 who h will help a lot until you can capture the tank and use it to pull the truck out of the septic tank.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 965):

I'm capturing the tank?  That's your job.  My job is the wounded.

You capture the tank. I'm busy.

Slacker.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 967):

All right, all right, I'll go capture the tank, and then go tend the wounded.  Would you like some coffee while you wait?  :)