In reply to helbent4 (msg # 169):

barring interruption, we know what her next few actions are, I guess

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 170):

Well well, things got a little tense there! Glad it worked out... for now.

We have a new player joining us soon.

Jozek will be playing Darek, a former Polish Army officer (armoured) and dissident who fled to Canada in 1993 after the communists regained control of the Polish government. After fighting the Soviets in central BC (the interior) he made his way with his family down the coast to New Westminster. Since then, he's been working with the New West Militia Garrison as commander of one of their two functional Cougar AVGPs.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 171):

YaY!  More brass!

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 172):

Don't get excited, WP ranks are not transferred so he's no longer an officer.

He's probably a private or corporal, at most.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 173):

Um.. that wasn't um.. sarcasm.  Really.

*eyedart*

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 174):

Right, and your denial it was sarcasm was in itself completely devoid of sarcasm!

Tony

Ya got me sherriff!  I'm a goner!

Just playing!  Welcome to the new player!

Welcome to our new player!

Tony,

any fancy sidearm to loot?

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 177):

Taras is taking the time?

We can say there's a couple US Army 9mm M9 Berettas and .45ACP Colt clones. There's a .44 Anaconda with telescopic sight and .50AE Desert Eagle. There is a quantity of ammunition for these as well.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 177):

LOOT!  Cigarettes, lighters/lighter fluid.  I suppose it'd be nice if she owned a sidearm too, but she is pretty concerned on the girl rescued too.  But.. smokes are hard to come by these days, a bit.

Not just taking the time. At some point he was disarming the suspects inside the slaughter house. Is not unusual to come across some "exotic" weaponry during war time and take some "trophy" as a souvenir...

Being so close to the border it always enhances the chance to get something beyond the usual. We get once in awhile some curio from some RCMP operation against the gangs here in Vancouver after all. Including the infamous Tec-9...
This message was last edited by the player at 07:13, Sat 16 June 2012.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 180):

Sure, we'll throw in a Steyr TMP and Tec-9. Also a Sten gun. (All seized in gang/biker raids.)

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 181):

Posse, looks like the cavalry has arrived!

More or less time to wrap things up.

Tony

Team,

Post whatever you like to wrap up at the farm, then head back to base.

Belanger is going to show up at the debriefing with Darek, a volunteer from the New West militia.

Tony

Kel just wants to check in on the Civ, you need to be reminded of what you are fighting for, sometimes.

She's been taken to the local hospital, Royal Columbian. It will take some time to admit her, so this might happen after the debriefing?

Your quarters are in an old high-school gymnasium. Mostly, it's an open structure with a 2nd floor balcony overlooking the basketball courts/sports areas. There are male/female showers and change rooms, as well as a band room and offices.

Briefings are done in the band room. I imagine that the sleeping quarters could be in the gynasium, with cots segregated by movable partitions. Other partitions segment off areas for storage. Vehicles are parked inside a kind of courtyard between the gym and the main building of the partially-demolished school.

There is a metal shop and vehicle garage in another detached building. The LAV is too large to fit inside the shop building so there is a temporary shelter erected beside it.



Tony

Team,

Oops, wrong thread!

I am basically on the fence with regards to the rules for T2013.

In the main, it's acceptable and even has some nice parts.

However, it's still basically unfinished in some crucial ways. Mainly with regard to equipment and vehicles. The 2.2 rules needed some fixes in terms of initiative, but did have the amazing resource of Paul Mulcahy's site to draw from.

So, as we move forward, I am giving serious consideration to changing back to the 2.2 rules. My apologies and thanks go out to those of you who took the time and made the effort to learn the new system!

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 186):

Taras was looking for Belanger, weren't we still in a briefing with him?

Sudden scene change = brain hurts/
This message was last edited by the player at 09:34, Sun 24 June 2012.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 187):

I'm willing to play it a little loose. I think the briefing is over, Belanger could have already left to go make some calls about swapping vehicles!

Anyone have thoughts on changing or staying with T2013 or v2.2?

Also, Stone is being defensive, embarrassed about showing weakness. Partly I might have just been having a tough night! I'm working a few graveyards as a security guard downtown and I had to stand outside all night a generator at the CBC building. Last night I hadda deal with some guy getting stabbed in front of me. (This being Canada, he didn't get shot, and the cops and ambulance were there in minutes.)

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:45, Sun 24 June 2012.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 188):

Wow.  Sorry Tony, and sure, whatever you need.

I'm on graveyards this week.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 189):

Ha ha, I guess what I needed is a hose to wash the blood off the sidewalk so that I'm not walking through it again all night! Oh well, I think it's rained since then.

Tony

Ahh.

Yeah, that's kinda nasty.  a few bowls or bottles of water maybe.

I've run into that a bit before myself.

For all of those with some degree of military experience this kind of situation will be extremely familiar: Unfairness.

Taras is being unfair to Kelsey. Her behaviour during the mission was somehow shaky with failure to communicate orders clearly and then following Taras leaving the new recruit behind. But she did not do so out of bad faith and acted with the purpose of protecting the team leader exonerating her of charges to the full extent of insubordination. Still, she could be perfectly charged according to chapter 103.07 of the Queen's Regulations and Orders for the Canadian Forces referring to Section 74 of the National Defence Act "when ordered to carry out an operation of war, fails to use his utmost exertion to carry the orders into effect" as her initiative was out of the scope of the order to remain in place. Also to a lesser extent under 103.18 "Every person who uses threatening or insulting language to, or behaves with contempt toward, a superior officer is guilty of an offence and on conviction is liable to dismissal with disgrace from Her Majesty's service or to less punishment" considering the "threat" of the hearing before charges being laid. Also under "Any act, conduct, disorder or neglect to the prejudice of good order and discipline is an offence and every person convicted thereof is liable to dismissal with disgrace from Her Majesty's service or to less punishment.", etc, etc.

But that is far away from Taras intentions. He could have call the attention of Kelsey while the action was on full swing and order her to go back but he didn't. Also when he is asked if charges would be throw against Kelsey he just mentions that he is "just a Policeman" even though as NCO in command and, again, according to the Queen's Regulations he could, as a Non Commissioned Member of higher rank, had the power to arrest her without a warrant. Although Taras, as being a delegated officer could only award a reprimand, a fine up to 25% of one month’s pay and or other minor punishments. Still, he didn't act upon any of these tenets.

Yet the intention of Taras was to test the reactions of his subordinates. He did so already in the Chinatown episode when he ordered the new american ally to throw a handgrenade inside the menacing humvee although he could have done so himself. The Jagelis incident only could help to ascertain the need to test the capacity of the leadership and so far and from Jagelis to the new commander nothing solid has come around.

Why is Taras "testing" the reaction of Kelsey and the rest of the team to such a display of "unfairness"? He knows that things will be turning more and more dangerous as soon as the final showdown with the almighty Hell's Angels is looming in the near horizon. New leadership will be needed and it will be most likely that will come from below rather than from above ranks and Kelsey is candidate number one to be a unit commander of her own. Technical skills are sufficiently demonstrated but then the intangible comes to bear as well.

Rather than offering an apology and a show of good faith, Kelsey becomes initially defensive and then offensive with the request of a hearing even when charges were not being laid. Not only that, she is challenging the Sargent to rethink his own thoughts not letting her own pride down for a second. It was not the intention of the ukrainian to charge her with anything. he mentioned discipline issues in the first place. Perhaps as a bait, then all the hell comes loose.

As a test of the moral discipline the situation turns for the worst with Andy's intervention in her favor and committing a self immolation and "not theatening" to resign. That is, imperiling the morale of the whole unit while questioning the authority of the leadership and taking sides, if personal sides, uncalled for. To make things even worst (yes! still possible!) the comments and overall demeanor of Stone just rounds up an appalling scene.

This is one of the via crucis of any military organisation: Even though being succesful in the conduction of the mission against superior odds, the internal attitude of the members, starting with Taras, endangers the future outcomes.

Beyond raising the moral issue if generating this situation was good or bad, the idea was to bring some more common than not realities of the Service. As much as one can be precise with the description of a menial 5,45 mm matte plum magazine sometimes is necessary to raise the awareness of unit morale in some less, not less real, details.

What is the solution? We are in a dilemma. A call for moderation is in order as well as some personal meditation over the problem. Taras is referring the issue to a higher up in the Canadian Forces. In this case it would be up to the GM as it couldn't be the other way! After dealing with harsh geographical terrain is a matter of negotiating the even harsher grounds of the Code of Service Discipline before moving on.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 192):

Ah man... you start throwing the words around that he was throwing around, and you are talking big mojo.  I was an NCO and the US Army, and if someone had said they wanted to charge me with insubordination, deriliction, or not following orders... I would have been defensive too.  As soon as you start talking about charges, you WILL get people's backs up.  Period.

She's backing up her actions, and says "Bring it."

That's fine. She's been already making her point. Ah, bloody graveyards...you get to meet the very best of humankind in action. I don't miss them anymore.