Map update:

https://maps.google.com/maps/m...pn=0.000752,0.001206

(Always tough for me at work, so here you go!)

Go to Street View, look south from 56 Ave at the west side of the store.

There is no rear door, so Droz struggled out the EAST side door (because she knew that's where you are coming from) about midway down. The tangos are coming along the north side and are at the NE corner, so off to your RIGHT at 30m range. There are some piles of trash (probably not heavy enough to reliably stop a bullet) dumped among the waist-high grass of the abandoned lot in front of you, and there's a garage to your right.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 1):

have we moved to a new combat round?
Do we roll initiative again, or keep our current initiative?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 2):

Yep, please roll init and post to the Character Rolls thread.

As well, I've made a real dog's breakfast of the tangos at the store due to a misreading of the map/photos. I made things more complicated than they needed to be, but instead of another retcon here is the (final?) clarification:

1) The group of foot mobiles at the NE corner of the store are aware and ready to engage Droz and Abbot/Hawke.

2) The group at the SW corner are running for dear life and are not aware of anyone or anything.

3) Pvt. Droz is exiting the East side of the store. She is busy dragging 2 full-grown men and doesn't notice anyone.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 3):

Tony at this point Andrews can only see the driver of the tank ? Also group 1 consists of three men, how many in group 2 ? Thanks.

Cymon.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 4):

This was clearer in an earlier draft that was lost and I didn't catch this: the tank driver bailed out on the far side of the tank, Andrews can't see him at all. This makes sense; why would anyone escape towards where the fire is coming from? (And yes, it's clear where the shot came from.)

There is no one crazy enough to be in the open at this point, what with a half-dozen men getting chewed up by a cannister round! I can assume Andrews is just doing suppressive fire down the road in the general direction of the enemy? Or at the dead and incapacitated guys lying on the ground?

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 5):

I am guessing that means Kelsey has lost any targets as well?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 6):

The RPG team has gone to ground in the ditch.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 7):

Hmmmm.. is that in Grenade range?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 8):

Call it 230m. RPG range!

An airburst from the Carl G. would work, but Andrews is out of position to see them (both he and they are on the same side of the road).

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 9):

Sounds like about all that Kel can do is cover?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 10):

Correct.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 5):

Right, I will update my post slightly then. Would make sense to start moving down the road then.

Cymon.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 12):

Maybe don't change your action? It goes without saying you have perfect knowledge but your characters don't. It would have been better for me to not say anything to reflect this.

It might take a turn or two to gather yourselves, survey the target area. Kelsey could also give some orders!

Abbott: add your .tac bloc? Hawk, when you post remember to do the same. It's to keep track of ammo use and actions.

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:42, Thu 02 Jan 2014.

Updated the post.  I'll be sure to put it in all of my IC posts.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 14):

Thanks!

Wow, the bad guys failed initiative. But because they were less encumbered and were firing from the hip they actually were faster on the draw, so to speak. But due to recoil and like penalties, they completely missed! Hawke and Abbott took a little more time because they used snap shots (which used the weapon sights) and at this close range the SAW was a little unwieldy. But they both hit (Abbot, multiple times).

If possible, everyone please include the Initiative Value, plus the tick cost and sequence in their .tac blocs.

Really, at this point only Hawke and Abbot need to roll initiative (really, Hawke) as they are the only ones in a gunfight at this moment.

I will get on to the other actions ASAP, tomorrow.

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:34, Mon 06 Jan 2014.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 15):

Do we need to keep posting our over watch run or can we just assume until we either make it to the intersection or something else happens ?

Cymon.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 16)

With the last visible tango down, I think you can go ahead and post your remaining bounds. You should all reach the intersection at the same time as Taras, who is dismounted.

But be aware, there may be tangos that are active but keeping their heads low due to the carnage and covering fire.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 17):

We have a medivac we can call in, really?

Oh, and I would like to, instead of hitting the intersection, head across the back yard where Hotel was, in order to help evac.  That was our mission right?
This message was last edited by the player at 04:17, Sat 11 Jan 2014.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 18):

Possibly. But this is Canada. Lower your expectations!

It might be an ambulance with police escort. Very unlikely to be a helicopter/CASEVAC/Dustoff.

Kel is on the south side of 56 Ave, which is where Hotel is located, but Tremblay and Andrews are on the north side. They are going to have to make a dash across the open street to RV with the rest of the ground element.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 19):

She has no issues covering them while they cross.

Want me to post that?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 20):

That's fine, organised resistance in the intersection seems to have collapsed. The tank is idling but stationary, while the riders and various dismounts are either dead, incapacitated, captured or run away.

Tony

Ok so it would be feasible for Andrews and Tremblay to move to the rear of the tank and clear there before moving around the left side of the structure Hotel was sheltering in and link up with the rest of the group?

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 22):

Let me know how you want to proceed, and I'll tell you what horrorshow erupts in an nightmare of blood, violence and regret. That's how these things go, eh?

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 23):

I prefer we hooked up with Hotel.

Can Andrews get a fix on the vehicles from where he is, approx distance down the road ? Cheers.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 25):

Considering he doesn't have LOS and is not really familiar with the area, he can use a map. He'd guess 150-200m South of his position, azimuth 190 degrees.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 26):

Mac and Andy are east of 248th St. The Iltis is parked at the NE corner of 248 and 54th Ave. They can simply reverse course and head south through the backyards to reach the Iltis.

https://maps.google.com/maps/m...pn=0.005992,0.009645

Tony

Trying for this effect ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kbbwDSM6f4Y

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 28):

Sure, that's the theory. It helps when you can see the target area!

Tony

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 28):

And that takes care of the rest of my evening....  I hate YouTube.

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 30):

Here is my understanding of the relative positions:

           __    ____
          |  }  |    |
          |  |  |    |
          |__|  |T-54|
         Cougar |    |
Mac/Andy        |____|

         _________________________
        |                         |
        |                         |
        |                         |
        |                         | Kel/Hawke
        |                         |  Hotel (Droz+Wounded)
        |                         |
        |                         |
        |_________________________|
                  EPWs

                           Abbott

One thing is clear, Kel is on the long-range radio net and can't hear transmissions on the team net.

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:10, Sun 26 Jan 2014.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 31):

Well, we need the Hummer recovered, and the tank's still running.

I'm not a tank-jockey.

                      ____   _____
                     |    | |     |
                     |    | |_____| Cougar
                     |T-54|
                     |    |
Mac/Andy             |____|
(SW Corner)
              _________________________
             |                         |
             |                         |
             |                         |
             |                         | Kel/Hawke
             |                         |  Hotel (Droz+Wounded)
             |                         |
             |                         |
             |_________________________|
                       EPWs

                                Abbott

https://maps.google.com/maps/m...spn=0.001134,0.00305

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 33):

Awesome ASCII art!

BTW.. Mac is "Rook" not "Bishop"

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 34):

Nice catch on the call-sign! Shouldn't be a problem, fog o' war and all that. Thanks for the compliment on the ASCII map art, my pleasure!

Tony

What in the world is this about?

BTW, SGT Champlain has another hat, she's in charge of comms for the region.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:54, Mon 03 Feb 2014.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 36):

Abbott is correct. Droz, an NPC, thought he was ignoring her or putting her down but that was a mistake on my part. All good!

Tony

Is there an MG currently mounted on the Iltis? In the past, I think Abbot put his C9A1 SAW there. If you want to move fast through woods then no, a support weapon is probably not the best choice. The Barret M82 that Andy zeroed is in the back.

Anyone else want to make hearing checks?

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:43, Mon 03 Feb 2014.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 38):

Yes.  what do you want?  2D20?

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 39):

Yes, that's the standard "attribute" roll.

Tony

FYI: Wayne is bringing flex-cuffs to help secure the prisoners, as you have a good supply of these.

Tony

Cool.  We'll pull them back one by one.  Have them drop any web gear or body armor and then cuff them.  Then we search them for hold out weapons and empty their pockets. We put them back in line on their knees and hobble their ankles with their own belt.

Two of us will search and secure while the third person will cover the other two prisoners.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 42):

I'll handle that in a more narrative sense, or you can post a detailed blow-by-blow account. Whichever, no need to dwell on it!

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 43):

I was all for Kelsey brutally hog tieing them.

She has a fair lack of mercy for these anti government amateurs right now.

Tony,

Is the humvee armed ? Thanks.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 45):

Unmanned and unarmed (from what you can see).

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 46):

Ours has a 241!

Hey is the wounded RPG guy from Kelsey's snap shot after pokerizing the commander of the tank?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 47):

He was last seen in the grass in the ditch at the corner of 56 and 248, where the blood trail is originating.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 48):

Thank goodness for Javier's tactics, is all I know.

Hopefully Taras impending attack on the enemy vehicles will take some pressure off from our troubled friends in the woods while the reinforcements arrive.

Tony, this is the website where I found the pics of the interior of the turret:

http://www.toadmanstankpictures.com/scorpion

Hi Group,

I'm not very clear on where Kel and Abbot are going. Right now, Tremblay and Andrews are ganking the Humvee parked to the west of the intersection. Are Kel and Andrews going to continue west down 56 ave? There seem to be tangos to the south.

Check the map!

https://maps.google.com/maps/m...pn=0.005992,0.009645

Tony

Tony,

I wonder what the rules say about the killing radius for the 76 mm round.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 52):

6.5m according to the book specs for the 76mm HE round.

Tony

Thanks!

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 51):

I was under the impression that we were heading south to support CASTLE.  Don't ask me though, Champlain is running the show here. Her post was a bit vague.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 55):

Sure, I'm fine with Lee clarifying Kel's actions. The other Bishop element is Andrews/Tremblay, and they headed west on 56 ave.

Tony

Taras will continue to pound at the convoy for a dual purpose. Firstly to destroy them and therefore negating the enemy the ability to escape mounted. Secondly, to take off pressure on the pinned down friendlies in the woods. The enemy will have to face the fact that their rides, barely 75 meters or so at their backs, are under attack.

Not much else that the Cougar can do. The battle at the woods is getting up close and personal. Quite difficult to be able to provide fire support in the melee without risking "blue on blue" casualties. More so with no loader on board and no infantry support. The most sensible thing will be covering that flank while you guys close in with the baddies.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 57):

If Kel's detachment (her and Abbot) goes south down 248 st on the west side, they will be coming up just slightly behind the enemy's position and possibly cut off their retreat. Or they can circle around further to the west (going through yards etc.) and definitely end up behind where they are now.

Tony

Has Andrews and Tremblay in the humvee made it to the car park ? Thanks.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 59):

Nope, let's leave that for now.I want to get a post regarding Kel and Abbot's direction of travel. (I understand it seems frustrating, I must draw the line somewhere.)

To clarify, to get to the Market's car park/lot they need to go around the Cougar, which is taking fire and engaging someone south down 248 st.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 60):

Ok that's fine just checking.

Hi Team,

I'm waiting for clarification on Kel's route of travel to move the game along. If that's already happened, someone please remind me! Otherwise, I am going to NPC Kel temporarily to resolve the situation.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 62):

Sorry about that, been a rough couple weeks over here.  Moving households, long shifts, storms.  Fun fun!

A short video of a veteran Cougar showing interesting details:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BU7Lf6XioWQ#t=26

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 64):

Is that from the museum in Montreal?  I went there almost 20 years ago, and it was a good time.

I discovered FreddyPak!  Mmmmm.

The Canadian War Museum in Ottawa according to the video description.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 66):

Looks great! Here is some footage from Tankfest 2010:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmCVPKVfrAw

I did hear that the IMP/Freddychef meals were pretty good, compared to MREs.

Tony

Tony,

here is a curious picture of a Spanish Scorpion (same turret as the Cougar, as we know) with an improvised .50 cal. mount.


A total of 17 Scorpions were bought by the Naval Infantry seemingly after the conflict in the Falklands, after a positive report where British Officers thought that a larger presence of this vehicle in the conflict could have been a great asset, etc. They were modernized a couple of times and remained on duty until 2004. They were used in numerous exercises. Apparently, when paired with anti tank TOW sections were able to put up a good fight against American units equipped with Abrams and Bradleys coming back from "Desert Storm". This took place in Sardinia back 1992 during the exercise "Dragon Hummer 92".

Then they were sold to Chile instead of being brought up to a Scorpion 2000 levels. The Naval Infantry currently operates MOWAG Piranha III-C.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 67):

They have "bread" in them, as well as honey, tea, and a bunch of other stuff that actually tastes good.  They put corn in the beef stew, for example, as well as other vegetables, and they aren't one consistancy:  mush.

As opposed to MRE's, which taste like the package, and are the same consistency going in as they are going out.

I use them at Pennsic, because it ensures that I don't have to eat things prepared by people who don't know how to camp, when I'm not back at my camp.  Since I do a lot of things, like first aid or fighting, and the site is a half mile by a quarter mile, it means I can throw a meal in my bag in the morning, and have lunch on me wherever I am when it's time to eat.  They save me from a lot of "quality" time in a port-a-john in early August, in Pennsylvania.  There have been years where it's 125F in the shade.

The water at Pennsic has a high iron content, so it causes gastro-intestinal distress for some folks.  I try to avoid that, too.

--hawk

It has been kind of quiet lately.  I guess we killed all of the bad guys. Let's divvy up all of the gold and magic items...

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 70):

Weekends have been busy for me lately, as I am running a Bushido RPG for my sit-down group as our regular GM is taking a break. This is not a long-term thing, but it does tend to suck up my attention! And yes, there are few active bad guys. I try to be somewhat realistic, if the fight is turning against them the opposition does tend to try and slip away or surrender.

Tony

I could be wrong, but don't you just have the 1 HE rocket left? Or maybe it's 2. There were 2 HEAT at the tank, 1 HE into the smoke, I think you started with 1 HE loaded and 2 HE/2 HEAT spare?

Tony

Yes I believe there is only one HE left. So Andrews will load it freeing up Tremblay to carry his weapon more effectively.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014...h-made-tank-stopper/

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 73):

We'll say the last round is loaded, therefore no ammo case is needed.

Tony

No worries, Tony. I had plenty to keep me busy this weekend. My son just had a birthday and we went to the zoo. Good times.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 75):

Hey, sometimes I need a prod!

Speaking of prod, I'm waiting on Kel.

Looking at Taras' action, if he takes that last shot at the V-100 using HESH he's likely to injure Andrews and/or Tremblay, as they were relatively close when he fired. So I think it would be appropriate to retract that action, considering he should know they're there (as they passed in front).

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 76):

Sorry, I misread that one post!

I tend to do that on occasion, sorry!

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 77):

I'm having a family crisis, gf's dad has stage 4 mesothelioma and had an MI.

I can't do the writing that i wanted to do for the concussion PT.

I'll stay as active as I can, but ...

I drove  to albany to MS, to CT between tues to thursday.

I'll be here, just not posting as much as I wanted to.

--Hawk

Take care of the important stuff... prayers will be said for you and yours.

All the best. I hope everything will be alright.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 80):

Thanks.  It will be what it will be.

We're all dying.  Some of us are going about it slower than others.

Hawk

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 78):

Take care, we'll cover for you.

Tony

Are Tremblay and Andrews able to see the group with the hostages ? Thanks.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 83):

No. There is a screen of trees and bushes. But they can guess where they are because they are close, just off to the right and below them at the culvert entrance.

Tony

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 78):

Sorry to hear about your GF's grandpa.  Cancer is a bastard for sure.

Don't worry about the game.  Stay strong for her and help her take care of family and the rest will fall into place as necessary. Best of luck.

How much of what's going on is in clear view for Kel and Abbot?  Is the tunnel an actual man-mane tunnel or just a wide path through the trees.
This message was last edited by the player at 05:08, Sat 15 Mar 2014.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 86):

The "tunnel" is a culvert. It's a concrete tube about 6 feet high where a stream passes under a road. It's set in a wooded embankment. The stream itself is about 1m across and 30-60cm deep. The streambed is in a shallow gully, there are mud banks you can scramble up.

The view is mostly clear, for you.

Tony

Thanks.   I've put up a couple of back posts that don't really do anything , but it's better than silence.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 88):

I have to say I am confused.

I thought Kelsey was at the shot sniper's position, and her action was to check for the spotter and make sure we weren't dealing with a "North American Marsupial"

Slightly agitated that those guys stripped her kill.  THEIR kill.

Also... how did they close so fast they heard her talking softly???

What the hell?  If she is using the correct earpiece, they shouldn't be able to hear her radio, and the transmit should not be able to be monitored easily as well.

So what goes?
This message was last edited by the player at 07:56, Sun 16 Mar 2014.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 89):

1) My apologies, it was my mistake on the sniper's position and yours. I missed that she was moving up, but they might well have seen her as she would have had to move across the front of the culvert, and that could allow them to possibly take her out. Abbot may have tried to cover that bound, but he can't shoot what he can't see (someone shooting out of the culvert).

2) Rather than retconning to correct this (and we would would need to allow for Kel getting ganked as she makes her bound) I prefer to leave things as-is. If you want to have a re-do, then you'll have to take your chances. Good luck!

3) Regarding how they are listening in on your comms, I've tried to make it clear they captured Kodan and Tyler's gear. They weren't talking to you via carrier pigeon, eh?

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:32, Sun 16 Mar 2014.

If someone can remind me of Andy's callsign I'll radio in. I can't find our sign anywhere.

In reply to Andrew Montgomery McRae (msg # 91):

Reference thread:

Knight 1 - Derek
Knight 2 - Wayne
Knight 6 - Taras

Bishop 1 - Myself
Bishop 2 - Tremblay
Bishop 3 - Hawke
Bishop 4 - Andrews

Rook 1 -  Andy
Rook 2 -  Mac
Rook 31 - Droz
Rook 32 - Sheeler


Tony

Brilliant, thanks very much.

TOny.  I thought that the mercs were shouting at us.   I didn't realize they were transmitting their hostage threat via radio.  In that case, Abbot does not transmit his last statement.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:15, Sun 16 Mar 2014.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 94):

They did shout out loud. This was in response to your radio traffic.

Tony

Would anyone happen to have any pics of the interior of the turret on the V-150, specifically the MG set up ? Thanks.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 96):

Dang, I can't find my pictures, and the internet is of little help.

The 1-man turret is very small and has a basket with seat.

Ammo is on the basket and belts are run up to the twin guns through those 2 tubes. To look out the hatch, you stand on the seat. The gunner is offset to the left as the twin MGs extend into the turret on his/her right. While sitting, you can look out the several vision blocks set all around into the turret sides.

While facing front there is a larger armoured glass viewport on the left, twin MGs (Browning M1919s chambered in 7.62mm NATO) on the right. There is a gunsight periscope on the left side of the roof. The guns roatate along with the unpowered turret using a red wheel under the periscope and viewport on the left. up-down is under the guns. Firing is by pressing a solenoid switch.

There are 2 belts plus 2 spare ammo boxes in the brackets on the basket floor.

Tony

I found a copy of the Osprey V-150 guide book which is a great help. The Turret is a T-50 and was also used on Australian and New Zealand M113's so I have a good idea of what Andrew's is dealing with. Cheers.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 99):

Definitely looks like it! My memories are about 4 years old now. Not much use, I'm afraid.

Tony

Ah, but those are good memories, Tony!

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 101):

That they were. Not just tooling around in the V-100 but riding in the T-54.

Is Andrews's head out the turret hatch? As a note, the vehicle is south of the creek, so if he's looking for "squirters" he's looking north.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 102):

Yes he would have his head out of the turret and also be using his field glasses. He was trying to look in the direction the merc's come from to try and see any enemy on foot or in vehicles retreating. If he is hemmed in on all sides by trees they would probably return to the main road.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 103):

The yard is mostly hemmed in by trees and greenery. The stream is directly north, he figures he's in as good a place as any to intercept any runners fleeing south.

Tony

Hi team,

I'd like to clarify the V-100 is not an APC in the normal sense.

It's an armoured car, really. It will hold 2 in the front seats, 1 in the turret, and, say, 4 more people crammed in in the passenger compartment. But everyone will be sitting cheek-to-jowl as they say.

Tony

Well, is armoured and carries personnel!

Jokes apart, the reference came from Taras as in the Red Army the BTR series would be the closes match for Taras to refer to.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 106):

Having been inside both, I'd say the BRDM would be the closest equivalent, although the V-100's interior compartment is a little more open (if lower-roofed) and there are side doors.

Tony

Sorry, the 1 April colour scheme makes me nauseous. Back tomorrow.

Kel's men:

Andrews
Tremblay
Abbot

Tyler and Koldan are not in her unit, but they're willing to help. Hawke is, but's he's not there. It may or may not be important who you send, but I don't want you to be surprised at how few personnel you have to work with!

Further, the Humvee you arrived in is stuck halfway in a septic tank. Andrews and Tremblay did capture another one, it's parked by Hawke at the market. Droz and Wayne are there, but they are guarding 3 mercs that surrendered back there.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 109):

These colors really are horrible.

Right, might be time to consolidate the prisoners, we will need anither vehicle to pull ours out.  Also, kel should probably accompany so she can get to her base radios.  Meanwhile she needs to contact hq on radio.

Maximum crew for a V-100 is 12. Obviously in the pure APC config as the turret add-on takes its fair share of space. We are going to need another vehicle in any case.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 111):

I could see 12 passengers if you really cramed them in there! This would take up every square centimetre of floor space.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ohBluIqWHc

Here is my understanding of the layout:



There is seating for 6. This vehicle is a little stripped-down as gear has broken off, been removed, modified. For additional personnel could easily fit 1 in the rear passage beside the motor and under the hatch, another sitting against the rear bulkhead, 2 more sitting right behind the driver/assistant driver, maybe another each on the side benches.

Tony
This message was last updated by the GM at 20:07, Tue 01 Apr 2014.

Meh. I've been driving literally piles of Military Police relief of guards on the back of a Nissan Ml-6. It is doable but not advisable, etc, etc...

We are just moving up a couple of blocks, anyways. Again, Taras has addressed this on game calling an extra humvee.

The infamous "Duck" or "V"...That was the hell of a funny ride in Chiliwack!

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 113):

The point is, these are people not friendly with each other.

Tony

Maybe a social experiment can be conducted to enduce empathy...

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 115):

I'm just saying there would definitely be some sexual tension, there.

Tony

True.  I could see the beginnings of something for Droz and Abbot.   He doesn't know Kel's back story, but that's ok as she is part of his CoC.

Also, I was disappointed to read that Kel doesn't have the French-Canadian accent when she speaks. Imagine if she had when she said, "Who's in charge of this gong show!?!?"

Ready good interior shots of the V-100. The Osprey books are also very good.

http://www.vspa.com/pr-heavy-wpns-p5.htm

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 118):

To be clear, the "Safari's End" thread was for April Fool's Day. Although I will be opening a new thread to deal with the aftermath of the firefight, it will be a different thread. If you all want to post something for the sake of RP, then I appreciate it, but don't worry, that's not a serious thread.

Tony

Oh. I was a bit baffled. Zombies didn't seem to fit with the sort of game you'd been running hitherto.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 120):

I don't mind shaking things up a little!

Why not make a post about Mac getting swarmed and eaten by zombies? In fact, why doesn't everyone consider this? It would be a cool ending for a non-canon storyline.

Tony

No thanks. 1. I don't like zombie stories much and 2. I like messing with a plotline even less.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 122):

Suit yourself, although the truth is the opposite of 2: it has no effect on the game.

Tony

That's the whole point. If it's not part of the plotline I'm not interested.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 124):

Whoever wants to contribute, I think that's really fantastic and deeply appreciated! Go crazy, be creative.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 125):

Any of the vehicles have a winch or chain?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 126):

The V-100's winch is long gone. The Cougar doesn't seem to have its self-recovery winch anymore. The Dodge Challenger is a muscle car.

Your stuck Humvee has a winch, but it's in the septic tank. Probably the captured Humvee has a winch. The T-54 likely has a tow chain.

Following is an interesting what-if vehicle. At the time Canada was evaluating the MOWAG Piranha, they were also evaluating the V-150 for the same or similar roles: APC, Fire Support/Recce, recovery. The V-150 has a higher VC turret ring with extra periscopes and smoke dischargers moved from sides to rear. This vehicle is on display in CFB Borden, Manitoba.







- On static display, CFB Borden

Tony
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In reply to helbent4 (msg # 127):

Geeze our HMMWV has a winch?  It can pull itself out then, if we can put a fulcrum behind it.  Might be easier to check the other HMMWV for a winch though.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 128):

The winch is in the front, which is down in the collapsed tank. But I guess I could see that?

Tony

Sure Tony, I am positive that if we were to try to self recover with that HMMWV it would take a lot of effort and time regardless.

Using another vehicle to pull it out is much more expedient.

Very interesting proto, Tony. Thank you for sharing.

I'm glad that the CF went the MOWAG way. Just look at the succesful history of the LAV-III and the repercussions in the US Army all the way to baptizing a brigade concept!

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 130):

Especially a tank to pull! Just sayin'.

Javier, I remember seeing the picture of the V-150 at Borden and wondering how it got there!

Yeah, the LAV III has and will continue to be an effective vehicle. As well, I don't know if those would have been manufactured here, which has been an incredible boon to Canada with regards to the LAV. But I hear Canada is buying the grandchild of the V-150, the Guardian, so it all somehow comes around.

Note: I'm gonna be off gaming at our local convention for the rest of the weekend, not that I tend to post much anyways. I'll check back but please remind me if I miss any posts or anything during the week.

Tony

The 6x6  Mowag Piranha I was chosen as the basis for a new family of  CF wheeled armoured vehicles in 1977. Licenced production was undertaken by GM Canada's Diesel Division of London, Ontario between 1979 and 1982 as the AVGP family. So it would be quite believable that any other winner would be also lincensed build in country. Three types were built: The Grizzly infantry section carrier or APC (269 built),the Cougar tank trainers (195 built), and Husky repair / recovery vehicles (27 built). Cadillac-Gage submitted their V-150 as a recce vehicle. Also, for the AVGP contest, the V-150 competed with the Brazilian Engesa EE-11 "Urutu", the Frenchies Berliet VXB, Panhard M4 and Saviem VAB, and of course the winner: Mowag Piranha I.

Looking at the entries one can imagine how fortunate the decision was.


The ultra modern rendition of the V-150 is known as the TAPV (Tactical Armoured Patrol Vehicle) in canadian parlance. The TAPV will fulfill a variety of roles such as reconnaissance and surveillance, security, command and control, cargo and armoured personnel carrier. The TAPV will replace the Armoured Patrol Vehicle (RG-31), some of the Coyote reconnaissance vehicle (LAV 2) and will complement the Light Utility Vehicle Wheeled (G-Wagon). First deliveries are expected this year. Total numbers could go up to 500. It was tested in October last year:

http://blogs.ottawacitizen.com...ured-patrol-vehicle/


Finally, the "love child" between the V-100 and the Cougar (76 mm gun turret) in the last photo:

http://www.jedsite.info/afv-ch.../v100-76/v10076.html
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In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 133):

Certainly some nice pictures.

Probably a V-150 would have been manufactured in Canada, and that certainly would have been desirable from Canada's point of view, but it may not.

At any rate, I've closed off the April Fools thread. I enjoyed that and everyone who participated, you have my deep thanks and I hope you enjoyed it as well. Now, back to your scheduled programming.

From here on out, everyone please post in the "Over the Fence" thread. Thanks!

Tony

Talking about licenses:

Western Star, then of Canada, produced a licensed version of the VM90 for the Canadian Forces during the 1990s called the LSVW.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...y_LSVW_ambulance.jpg

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 135):

I think it's possible the Western Star plant that was in Kelowna would still be able to produce vehicles, given the resources. Although, the LSVW had an atrocious reputation!

Tony

In 2002, Western Star production was moved to a plant in Portland, Oregon. All Western Star trucks are manufactured in the Portland, Oregon Truck Plant. Curiosly, current ownership belongs to Daimler AG.

The Iveco VM-90 is also licensed in Egypt and China.

The LSVW is unpopular. It has been criticized for poor handling, top-heaviness,
unreliable brakes and transmission, and awkward engine access amongst other
things. However, much of the difficulty resulted from the original specifications.
The Department emphasized fuel efficiency and low purchase price when they
were looking for a new light support truck. That is what it got – a vehicle with top
speeds of 25 km/h off-road and only 90km/h on pavement.
Neither the small engine (only 115 hp despite turbo-charging) nor the weak
automatic transmission is adequate for tough military operational support duties.
The transmission occasionally pops out of gear under stress. Fading breaks and
rust have shown up far too early in the lives of these vehicles.
In the end the Canadian Forces got what they paid for –

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 137):

As well, the front windscreen tended to pop out while going offroad.

Tony

Tendering is a deeply flawed method of military procurement and inevitably you do get what you pay for especially when civilian government always go for the cheapest tender.

Cymon.

Don't talk to me about detours! They seem to be digging up nearly every street around where I live. Took husband to the market and daughter to college, that was 3 diversions in a 3-mile trip!

Hello,

I would guess the RV point is the market, as that's where the Reaction Force was told to go and the wounded can't be easily moved.

Tony

I am going to be travelling to a funeral for the next couple of days. Hopefully I will have internet once I arrive. Thanks.

Cymon.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 142):

Sad to hear, keep in touch if you can.

Tony

Hi team,

This particular campaign is somewhat winding down. Javier's been pushing me to take a road trip and check out some interesting sites here in the Lower Mainland. I think that's going to happen, and when that does, well, I'll have no choice but to continue the game! Oh, we might take another short break, but I think continuing will happen sooner rather than later.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 144):

It's groovy, take a break!

I am heading to Minneapolis in May for a couple weeks, I should still be reading while I am there, but not on the weekends.  work work.

I envy the road trip

that iIn reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 145):

Not just yet, but soon!

Does Kel have any input on the the current thread? That is, using the Iltis to transport the prisoners?

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 146):

and we need the hummer out of the septic tank.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 146):

Uh...

Crap, we still need to get the damn HMMWV out of the septic tank..
Even with the Iltis do we have enough room?

Or might it better to use what we have mobile, GET mobile and wait on reinforcements to recover the Hummer?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 148):

Abbot had a good idea...

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 149):

Not seeing Abbot's post?  We can go with it?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 150):

A while back, ether he or Hawke suggested using the tank to haul the Humvee out.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 151):

oh that IS a good idea!

I believe that was Hawke.  The tank could be used later to clear the burned cars from the road.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 153):

Let's do it.

Someone want to lay it out IC, and Kel is agreeable?

Hello folks. For a moment I thought that Tony was about tom wrap the game and didn't post much accordingly. If we are staying for a while I would like to handle things differently.

The recovery of the humvee is not a priority. I'd rather concentrate in getting everybody at the market corner, circle the wagons and wait for the relief. Once they get where we are we can dispatch the wounded and prisoners. The idea is to create a escort unit and the rest stay in site for recovery, etc.

If you agree is just a matter of moving everything to the corner and then wait. Once our relief column arrives we can proceed with the evacuation and then recovery, etc.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 155):

Fine with me and.. frankly, Taras is in command.

Sounds great.

Ok, thanks. I guess it makes more "tactical" sense at this point. I'll post something accordingly!

I edited my last post.

To streamline things a bit we are going to regroup by the market. Players get to choose their ride. Basically the V-100 and the captured humvee. The Iltis is also available and could take one of the wounded, for instance.

Once we get there I'll have Taras issue orders to form a perimeter, secure the area and radio again. Probably we can dispatch the NPC with the relief column and the rest continue in the area of operations conducting a proper recovery of the vehicle. After that, we could probably move back to Fort Langley and...have a few beers?

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 159):

I will post everyone RVing at the market.

Tony

Don't we need to go look after the elephant?

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 161):

Ha ha, good call!

Something to keep in mind, although you do have casualties to deal with and a reaction force on the way.

As I recall, you had recovered information on elephant medical care and the pre-war address of the veterinarian (which is in Langley).

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 162):

Did that sniper rifle have a night vision scope that we recovered, or a spotter scope?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 163):

The Barrett had the standard issue x10 telescopic sight.

The guy with the M21 had a spotter scope.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 164):

Spotter scope preferred over massive firepower.  The M21 available?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 165):

Yes. There is a starlight scope in a case with the sniper's gear.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 166):

Excellent.

Kel can scan and watch.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 167):

Yep! There's also still a good hour of daylight left. In these Northern climes, dawn and dusk twilight lasts a lot longer.

Tony
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We do have a delightful MSG-90 somewhere in the RCMP armory. Ahh...my fav.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 169):

Ok, seems I am confused, someone is confused.

Kel wants to switch to their backup frequency, and either recover or disable the paired set on the HMMWV.  She wants non digital comms off the net, too much signal intelligence going on for her to risk it.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 170):

That is my understanding and I posted that is basically happening, where is the confusion?

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 171):

Sorry, I missed your post

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 172):

No problem. You captured 2x SINGCARs radios. How many digital sets did you start off with? You have plenty of hand-held radios, and they still do work, but some are encrypted and some are not.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 173):

The non encrypted are being left out of the loop.
I am not sure anymore what we have, were we able to recover the pair from our HMMWV?

And if we captured some, Kel will not want to change the settings on at least one, to see if she can listen in on any transmissions.

Oh!

And is there any chance that a land line might be intact enough to use?  We could also maybe double back to that big set and transmit that way?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 174):

Why don't you detail someone to go strip the Humvee (Abbott suggested pulling it out with the tank but I think Taras might want to leave it)? If you do that, I can just say it happens, then. (You could send Tyler and Koldan, or maybe Kel herself might be the best choice.)

I realise that while Tremblay has set up an OP to the east along 56 Ave to cover that direction, he doesn't have an encrypted radio.

The land line you were setting up from Vancouver doesn't reach this far. The houses do not appear to be stripped and so will have normal telco lines (still called "BC Tel" at that time, I think) but the system is non-functioning. No one had the time or capability to set up field telephones in the area.

Tony

I think the plan was to recover the Humvee tomorrow. Either way it should be disabled until that time.

Cymon.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 177):

Sure... strip the stuck one and move the game along

We are not leaving anything stricly behind. The priority is to CASEVAC and secure the prisoners. Fort Langley is not far away.

At this point we need to evacuate with certain order because the threat still out there as depicted in the jammed comms.

The lack of a relief column, the seriously wounded and night falling quickly makes imperative a move. Vehicles can be retrieved later on. It doesn't seem like the Hell's Angels will be willing to put much of a fight so far but we cannot take it for granted and therefore a well organized convoy is a must.

I guess it really isn't that big of a problem.  The truck is stuck in a hole in a back yard in an abandoned neighborhood.  We can take all of the extra ammo, fuel and supplies.with us.  We disable the vehicle by taking a specific part.  Nobody is going to be able to yank out an up armored HMMWV without a lot of help.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 180):

I decided that Kel and Tremblay would take the captured Humvee to collect the gear from the stranded Humvee. It would make sense she would go to personally oversee collecting the radio gear and, especially, police up all code books, documents, etc.

That means that Kel, Tremblay and Tyler (who was hiding his own car nearby) are about 150m east on 56 Ave of the main group. Tyler and Koldan set up an OP 100m to the west of the intersection of 56 Ave and 248 St (the RV point).

Regarding space, I assume the priority is active and wounded friendlies, then the active and wounde prisoners. Dead (of which you found around 20) are basically being thrown where they will fit!

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 181):

sounds good... if we have time to search for intel that is good, otherwise the bodies get left where they fell I would think.

Andrew's has already mounted the .50 cal he got off the enemy column.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 183):

I recall that M2HB was mounted on the captured Humvee.

The M240 can go on the pintle mounted on the Iltis's roll bar? Actually, I think the CF ones moved the pintle to the front passenger side (only useable if the windscreen if folded down). Except I think the Iltis is being driven west down 56 Ave to investigate the sighting from the OP?

IF everyone has reacted, I will get on to posting!

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 184):

I will not remove a Ma Deuce in favor of a 240.  Ever.

Belay that, the 240 just goes in the back deck with the ammo.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 185):

Probably Kel means Tremblay on the M2HB? I'll assume that's what she meant!

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 186):

His first name is Keith?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 187):

That's the guy. Easy to get them mixed up!

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 188):

I was trying to get a PC up on the M2

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 189):

Then... Abbot? Hawke is likely with the wounded. Andrews is setting up the Carl Gustav and AT-4 (M134) rockets alongside the road, although he's another option. Or Kel could get up there herself?

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 190):

If Kel and Tremblay went to the truck, then Abbot would be back at the V-100.

.50 BMG has a ballistic coefficient made in heaven.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 191):

For ease of play, I assume Kel and Treblay have returned as they were only 150m or so away.

But Abbot manning up the Ma-Deuce would make sense.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 193):

Works for me.  Kel is happier with a rifle, esp with night optics.  Preferably with cover.

That Barrett would be nice, but content with the m21
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Abbot is on the Ma-Deuce, per implicit instructions.

We are waiting on Vision checks from Andy and Mac at this point. I don't want to assume they are simply letting the elephant(s) approach without some further action.

Tony

Sorry, been rushing around attending a spate of job interviews the past couple of days. I'll go roll some dice...

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 196):

Groovy.

I notice that the AVGP Cougar isn't in the order of march?

Tony

Is the last one.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 198):

OK, here's the map:

http://goo.gl/maps/n2tNp

Tony

Abbot will listen to to try to determine what kind of vehicle is up the road. Wheeled? Tracked? Heavy? Light?

23:17, Wed 21 May 2014: Stanley Alistair Abbot rolled 6 using 2d20, keeping the lowest dice only ((6,19))

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 200):

Tracked, but not tank-sized. Probably an APC or carrier like a Bradley, BMP or BMD.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 201):

A 113 with, I bet, a Mark 19 automatic belt fed grenade launcher.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 202):

M134 minigun?

Potato cannon:

http://tom.2ub.org/docs/potato_cannon.png

GAU-19/A

The 47th ID is a unit that supports the military junta that opposes a return to civilian rule in the USA. There is no open conflict between Canada and the territory controlled by the so-called "MILGOV" even though Canada is now firmly allied with the US federal government.

There is no open contact between Washington State and the Canadian government. This complicates security co-operation, especially as Canada has not moved to control the border in the west as of yet. As time goes on more surviving civilians have come to view the quasi-permanent state of martial law as being a military dictatorship, unrest has been growing and morale in the 47th ID has been suffering. Law enforcement speculates this is now the main source of military grade weapons of US manufacture showing up in the hands of various outlaws and criminal groups. Either through theft by US army personnel for sale on the black market. Possibly even the arming of paramilitary groups to aid in maintaining control of the populace.

Unofficially, you are aware that the CIA (with the tacit support of Canadian intelligence) is running operations from BC "over the fence" to take advantage and even foment resistance to military rule. Belanger and the DRI was involved with this, as well as American personnel such as Gunny Conklin and Lt. Stone. Unofficially.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 206):

And seeing as his immediate superior is one of the people needing medical attention, and the radios are jammed... prisoners are not so likely to be released.

Ouch, we gave em some pretty serious losses...

Thank goodness we didn't have to battle elephants!

I am not sure that I could!

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 209):

To clarify, the US army medic was heading up the road on foot to examine the wounded. He was stopped by a verbal order from the Sgt. en route as he was passing, and has now turned back towards his own unit (the elephants).

Tony

What is your route of travel? Did I miss it? Sorry!

Tony

North towards the highway.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 212):

You have more wounded/prisoners than are seemingly accounted for: 9 unwounded prisoners (5-6 hardcore-looking ones), 4 wounded prisoners (2 critically wounded, including the HVT "Brownstone"), and 3 wounded friendlies (Conklin, Sheeler and Belanger).

Tony
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We are leaving the dead bodiues behind and piling up the rest in our joyous caravan...

I believe is a short ride to Ft. Langley. We'll be back in a few hours to collect the cold cuts and the stinky humvee from the septic, etc.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 214):

Lowering or trying to drive down into the cut is going to take time, and it's getting dark now. Is anyone going to set up security?

Tony

Thought I was driving... no matter, I'll keep lookout whilst you wrangle it up there.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 216):

I think as many people as possible should dismount and cover the area.  Cuts down on vehicle accident casualties and spreads our influence.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 217):

That would very much be your PC's call?

And, of course, some times Andy likes to be behind the wheel!

Tony
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In reply to helbent4 (msg # 218):

Absolutely.  I have seen in person what can happen to a load of people on a flipped vehicle.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 219):

How do they egress a flipped armored vehicle that doesn't have readily displayed doors.  M113, etc.  Do you have to dig your way out of a tank?  Or is that something that's not really survivable?

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 220):

If we can flip a tank I would be impressed.  This is a fairly tame slope and the tank has a low center of gravity. The others may be less stable.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 221):

That was more of a real-world question.  They occasionally move armored vehicles through my district, and it's been a topic of discussion.  Admittedly, it's speculative, but still a topic for discussion.

I have not been asked to gain access to an armored vehicle to date.

http://jalopnik.com/how-the-he...this-tank-1560414563

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 222):

I have a friend who served in M48s, M60s and M1s so I'll ask him. Some tanks have a floor hatch, probably for this reason or to exit under fire. Vehicles like LAVs and M113s have hatches on the deck and rear and it would take a lot to flip one in a way that all egress is completely blocked, although you might need to crawl.

From some message board:





This was the Euphrates river.

As everyone can appreciate, a rollover is always serious business. A CF Colonel was recently killed during a Brigade-level training exercise when his LAV flipped during off-road manoeuvres:

http://globalnews.ca/news/1345...n-training-accident/

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 20:47, Wed 11 June 2014.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 223):

M113's have a big rear door as well as top hatches.  Your average battletank is top only, but I really don't know them well.  All the APC styles have a big rear door that can lower for troop ingress, egress, such as the Bradley, 113, etc.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 225):

Thanks, all.

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 226):

Oh and the idea of dismount is to provide security and limit losses if there is a vehicle accident, assuming we have time for it.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 227):

Sounds groovy. If we're going by marching order, the V-100 is next?

A friend of mine is in the process of wrapping up a Lord of the Rings game (Decypher edition). We had a main PC drop (a Dunedin Lord) and he'd like to know if anyone would like to pick him up, or start a new PC. We're going into the home stretch but it won't be a piece of cake!

If pitching a new PC be advised that this is a pretty low-powered game set prior to the Battle of the Five Armies (aka "The Hobbit"). PCs will likely be Men, Dwarfs or Hobbits. Definitely not intimate bosom buddies with anyone of note in Middle Earth (save that for the fanfic). Elves are more vague rumour than fact. The location is Eriador so natives or someone with a really good reason to be there works best. Like, inhabitants of the Shire and Bree, maybe a Lakeman or Barding, Beorning or Woodman. RTJ:

link to a message in another game

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 228):

Bummer Tony, I haven't picked up the LoTR rpg for over a decade, though I still have my (probably outdated) copy.

Now L5R, or Morrow 4th ed.... I am in (I am working my way through reading 4th ed)

There's a new one out... The One Ring from Cubical 7 (2011) as well. Quite interesting approach.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 230):

I ran a One Ring adventure for my cousins at camp last year, I quite enjoyed it. Unlike LotR it's a purpose-made system so it has some kind game-specific touches.

Tony

Where is HOTEL from my position?  If he's unstable at this point, perhaps I can do something about that.

[NB:  Player is in midst of InternHell, migrating a data server and prepping a classroom for a fall class.  Posting may be brief or terse]

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 232):

I think HOTEL is in the back of the Cougar. He seems to be stable. Several of the prisoners are in the rear of the humvee.

Can you make a drive check? 2d20, take the lowest. Post to the die roll thread? Thanks!

Tony

Hello Team,

Does the fort have electricity? There's a generator, which you may or may not know a bout, plus solar panels. (The latter wasn't specified because I am making this up as I go along, but there is plenty of scavenged materials, especially with relation to the greenhouses "Old willie" has constructed. Even if nothing else, it would be somewhat unusual this close to sunset for there to be no lights whatsoever, be it candle or lantern, but again you aren't familiar with Old Willie's habits.

Tony

They may have a Quaker or Amish type of approach to things after all! Even Doukhobors. According to wiki: "Today an estimated 20,000–40,000 people of Doukhobor heritage live in Canada, some 4,000 of them claiming "Doukhobor" as their religious affiliation."

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 235):

Ah, the original "Sons of Freedom". That's right, the Doukhobors were originally from Russia.

Tony

Fascinating - never heard of the Doukhobor before!

I love learning new stuff :)

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 237):

Just brushing up on the "Douks". Fascinating stuff. The were a sect of fundamentalist Russian Orthodox dissenters who fled Tsarists persecution en masse at the turn of the 20th century. Probably some remain and have likely recreated their communal lifestyle.

http://www.thecanadianencyclop.../article/doukhobors/

Tony

We are going to need a tactical map of sort. This way I can position the chess pieces around!

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 239):

Do you want a tourist map, topo or Google map?

Tony

Are the gates locked?

google maps will do.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 242):

1) Gates are not locked.

2) I have updated the map.

3) Everyone should be able to edit it now.

http://goo.gl/maps/TbHH1

Tony

Great, thanks!

             GURPS post apocalypse game needs players!

Join the inhabitants on the tiny US Navy outpost of San Nicholas Island as they try to rescue survivors from the greater Los Angeles area and rebuild in the aftermath of a global viral outbreak.


link to another game


We currently have 3 PCs with room for 3 possibly 4. If you want to jump right in, you can be one of the sailors stationed on the island.  If you want to be a civilian survivor, you may have to wait a bit.

I'm not the GM, just a player.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 245):

I would guess you're the player with more than a few lines for description?

Tony

Hi Team,

Cymon (Andrews) is running a steampunk game: "Gas Lit Skies" that is looking for players:

link to another game

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 247):

Not running just participating, but thank for the heads up. Looking for other players to get off the ground.

Cymon.

It's the end of July, so this is my "I'm going to Pennsic." post.

I'll be leaving on Friday, odd gods of the galaxy permitting, and back the next weekend.  With a little luck I'll get to spend some time beating various people with a stick.

I apologize for those who play with me in other games, I'm going to stick this in all my games.

--Hawk

Have fun. See you when you get back.

"If you need to maintain your position then I support your call. Moving out at night and getting ambushed would be a disaster. Sounds like Belanger and Droz aren't going to die. Quite a little Safari you've had!


I didn't realize that Droz had been wounded. Can you verify either way?

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 251):

It might have been Sheeler. One of them got wounded, at least!

Tony

Hi group,

Sorry for the lack of posting, we've had my mother-in-law staying since last Monday.

As well, I'm leaving for "summer camp" tomorrow (like, around 80 of my extended family and friends chip in together to rent out an actual summer camp on a lake for a week after their regular program is done). As it's in the Canadian backwoods there's little or no internet. I'll check when I can get into town but not making any promises! I'll be back at the end of the week, Friday or Saturday.

Tony

Have a good trip, see you when you return.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 254):

And I'm back!

Tony

Welcome back. Did you have fun?

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 256):

We had tons of fun! The weather was beautiful, the lake was comparatively warm (this being Canada it's glacier-fed, after all). Michelle and I ran an intro to RP session (using d6 Star Wars) for the kids (9-11) which they enjoyed. I even did some wargaming which a few showed some interest in ("The Awful Green Things from Outer Space" and "Across Suez"). If we run games next year what I'd like to do is run a game for girls as well, because while some did show interest after the fact (they know Star Wars too!) I think the excitement of the boys put them off.

There was an accident on the Coquihalla highway (tour bus rollover) on the way back. This is the main route to the Interior so it took us 12 hours to make a 3-hour journey. (The alternative route we took was then blocked by some impatient clown who decided to pass across a double-yellow line around a blind corner and nailed an oncoming car head-on.) Some other people who were at camp witnessed the bus roll over and helped render first aid; all 56 passengers were injured (6 air and 19 ground ambulances were dispatched) but no one died.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 257):

I hate bus rollovers.

How to triage a bus rollover:

Go stand on top of something.

Say "Everybody who can come to the sound of my voice, come over here."

Move them out of the way.

Start triaging the rest.

Get the first group another bus, and call your non-trauma hospital, to see if they have space for the first group.  Have a couple EMT's keep an eye on this group to see if they change status or need some packaging to get where they are going.

Send everyone who didn't respond to your request to the trauma center, in triage order.

--Hawk

Useful information, tucked away in a corner of my mind against ever having to deal with a bus rollover or other massive incident.

A single car rollover is bad enough. Been there, dealt with that.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 259):

The hard part is declaring the dead or expectant dead.

Reposition head, give them one cpr breath and see if they start breathing on their own.  If no, tag black and move on.

I'm not looking forward to that one.  There will be family, friends or sig others who will not do well with that, and there won't be enough cops to pull them off me.  I'll have to extricate myself from that.

Not the first time I've declared someone dead.

Welcome back Tony!

I guess it's time to get ready for a new adventure! We need to take account of what we have at hand in terms of people, vehicles and equipment.Then we need to make a throughout collection of INTEL and based on that and the type of mission we want to plan we can request extra equipment from our HQ.

In the mean time we have to get back and recover the humvee. That can buy us time if we want to get that something extra.

If we are going to take  the fight to the elephant robbers I would like to hear from you what  kind of approach would be that of your choice. I was certainly pleased with the last round and I'm willing to keep going that way due to the great quality of the players and overall gaming experience.

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 258):

In this case, this was a tour from China and no one spoke English save for 2 translators. Even though people were ejected from the bus, no one died, which is a minor miracle! A semi's dash camera caught the accident. The bus was going downhill but not too fast, it veered towards the median, then rolled as the driver overcorrected. Busy day for EMS! All the hospitals in a wide area were issued an "Orange Alert" to prepare them to receive casualties.

Tony

Once again, another zombie game announcement.

This is a Twilight 2K13 game set in the onset of the another American zombie apocalypse. The US tried to stave off the viral plague but could not hold out in the end.  The game starts for our heroes about a month after the outbreak.  The government has broken down and is in disarray.  The US military has made a break for the coasts and are now consolidating it's position offshore.

We are looking for Special operations troops of all kinds from all services.  There may even be a few foreign service solders in the mix.   The game is in the character generation phase so now is the time to request access.

Take a look and decide for yourself.  so far it sounds like a good time.

link to another game

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 262):

Monday night we had a bunch of problems.

1 Cessna crashed
2 MVA's in Rensselaer, at least 4 patients.
3 Full moon was Tuesday.

We walked into AMC to learn that two other hospitals in the area were on diversion, and there were 12 other ambulances ahead of us.  It took us an hour to get a nurse to accept the patient and receive report.  I've never seen this before.  Patients were lined up out the door on our arrival.

It was packed.

--Hawk

Crumbs. As ever, thank you for all you do.

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 264):

Pretty heavy!

Tony

POST 9000 IS MINE!!!!!

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 267):

Congrats all round.

A lot of games die before even hitting a few hundred.  I think that this is fairly significant.  Congrats, Tony.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 269):

Thanks, it's all thanks to you guys!

Tony

I am ok with an addition of 2 HEDP rounds for the Carl Gustav.

Tony

OK cool.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 272):

Is anyone in the away team not good with a machine gun?
Kel is ok with it, but much better with a rifle.  She'll want to snag that M21 they had earlier to bring with.  The Barrett would be even better, of course...

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 273):

I volunteered, but I don't know about Old Willy needing medical attention, I was taking care of the wounded while care was rendered to him.

Where do you guys want me?

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 274):

Willy suffered a head trauma (rifle butt to the face). Fractured cheekbone, temporary loss of consciousness and memory loss, concussion. He's in stable condition and has regained consciousness.

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:19, Tue 30 Sept 2014.

And I've been looking after him. He seems a lot better this morning.

Abbot is a fair hand with a MG.   Nobody told him to saddle up and get ready to go out.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 277):

Please include him if you want to come.
Kelsey is MUCH better with a rifle than a MG

Expert vs Pro

At this point I need an exact headcount please?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:01, Sun 05 Oct 2014.

Andrews is ready. He is O.k. with an MG.

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 278):

As a player I'm up for it.  As Corporal Abbot, he's going to do whatever he's told to do.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 279):

Sorry, should have included Abbot! Not too late.

Andrews is by far your best machinegunner (his best skill is support weapons). Tremblay, as a Marine weapons specialist, is probably second best.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 281):

Let's get them in the MG, then, sheesh

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 282):

In fact, I see that Abbot is as good as Andrews. He should go up on the M240G. Sorry, Abbot, if you wanted to relax at the fort with a cup of Joe you're out of luck!

If McRae and Mac want to follow in the Iltis then that will provide some sniper overwatch.

Tony
This message was last edited by the GM at 00:16, Mon 06 Oct 2014.

The Humvee will approach from the West.

Will Mac and Andy be taking the same approach?

They can also circle around to the north, south or even east.

Tony

Covering the opposite approach seems best: circling east.

Right you are, then.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 286):

What IS the government plan for reconstruction?

That's the key of the game!

I fished out from the depths of the ancient posts the briefing that Taras gave to the team early at the beginning of the game:



The attitude of the ex Soviet combatant was visibly different from the previous days. Somehow the old Officer was showing again. Neatly pressed uniform and headgear. Flap holster on his right hip, trimmed facial hair and energetic posture reflected quite a departure from yesterday.

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen! The tone of the voice commanding business.

The University of British Columbia has been a lonely oasis compared to the lack of accountability for the rest of the Lower Mainland. For quite a long time the Council, with me included, has been developping a program to implement and restore normal life. Due to the lack of personnel, weather conditions and proper contact with the Federal authorities this was not possible.

He was standing next to a map of the city. For effect, sometimes pointed with an extended hand to the explicit location mentioned.

Now that we have your presence here and the authority given by Ottawa and Duncan in the Island, we have the ability to start doing the job

A sip on the juice cleared his throat.

Thankfully we are fully aware of the geographic conditions of the City. We have plenty of maps for that. But, regrettably we lack understanding of the human terrain . A throughout and current understanding of the individuals and their communities is necessary in order to win the support of the Government that we represent and allowing this authority to meet their needs. To gain this information we have in mind three different types of approach:

#1 - By intelligence operatives. He paused and looked at the sharpshooter member of the team. In this case this will be you, sir. We are going to need a good soldier with excellent observations skills to provide first hand account of certain areas to guarantee a minimum of security for the team before moves in.

#2 - By operators on patrol. Taras looked in the eyes of all the crew. This is pretty obvious. We'll meet the people and will ask questions. Lots of them.

#3 - By or from the population directly. The ex Officer pointed towards the window. Implementation of Vancouver I.R.O.N. Project will facilitate insight in the communities. By the way I.R.O.N. stands for Integrated Reconstruction Operating Network.

He took a seat at the edge of one of the tables.

As you can see this acknowledges the role of traditional military intelligence but then goes beyond it.

The he looked, for no apparent reason, towards Rachel:

Media will be embedded at all times .

The most elemental way to learn about the population is to carry out a registry census. That, sirs, means that we are going to take names . Lots of them.

The core of this registry-census will be five basic lines:

At this point Taras expected that somebody will be taking some notes.

#1 - A basic census: who lives where, sex, age, birth place, marital status, etc.

#2 - Relationship of the individuals. We are talking families. The basic elements to form communities.

#3 - Health. We need to know mobility status for evacuations, medical conditions, routine medical attention, emergencies, etc.

#4 - Work . How this people make a living. We are aware of commerce centres around the Lower Mainland but we need every bit of info on this to gain the pulse in the current economic activity in the Lower Mainland.

#5 - License. We need to gather information about people licensed to: drive, hunt, fish, operate heavy machinery, etc. This will include a weapons registry.

Another sip went through...

Besides this we are going to need extra intel on status of buildings and incidents as in crimes, etc.

This will form the base for a next step that will be the creation of a PIC or Provincial Identification Card. At this point we can count with a Picture ID type but we are also willing to create a fingerprint database as well. This step is already in progress with the native band. We have created a NIC or Native Identification Card . So the girls at the printing shop are having a good time with our PIC/NIC program!

Taras couldn't help a laugh. Only to recover the seriousness of the briefing.

During the contact with the locals we are going to encourage the use of the telephone land lines available in order to keep UBC informed of any new occurrence as part of the mentioned "IRON" program.

Taras was now imitating the gestures of a cameraman.

The TV crew will be present. We need it for several reasons: First is accountability. We need to know any time a weapon is cocked and locked, we need to record any critical event and use this taping to analize the patrol conducted, we'll learn lessons with that. Cameras will inhibit unwanted behaviour. And we'll meet people of interest as well.

Taras stopped for a while. Damn, I need a cigarette .

As you can see we are going to gather lots of information from diferent sources. From our own military intelligence undercover. Again he pointed towards the sniper. From our patrols and the media embedded and finally through the communities as well. All this information will flow under IRON and will serve the purpose of creating not only a registered census but also offer the services that the UBC can provide. .

Taras took a piece of paper from one of his pockets.

These services are:

- 911: Fire, Ambulance and Police.
- Management and administration of established communities.
- Transportation.
- Health services beyond medical emergencies.
- Environmental services.
- Laundry and billeting. Oh yes!
- Equipment maintenance. From small appliances to urban infrastructure.
- Food inspection.
- Communications access and maintenance.
- Power supply and distribution to a limited extent.
- Limited water supply and or water treatment.
- Construction. At this point only at repair levels.
- Waste management.
- Facilities, roads and grounds maintenance.
- Licensing for driving, hunting, fishing, etc.
- Correctional/Penitenciary. Well, it truly is a service for the City.
- Issue of PIC/NIC cards.

This is what the Council and the UBC has to offer. As you can see we are not going out there asking a lot without also offering a lot. Your job is to convey this and win the hearts and minds of the survivors, refugees and whoever is out there and bring the city to a normal status.

Pausing for another gulp of lemonade he continued:

Profesor Alain will give you more detail in the ROEs. Just to let you know that depending on heavy armor or aggressive raids will have a low pay off. But if necessary, we are ready to act with lethal force according to the threat and our capabilities. There will be ROEs for civilians, RCMP and Military. I hope you can understand this. We are on the side of the Law and we have to use it as a tool for our own benefit and the public we are trying to serve.

Ladies and Gentlemen. Take a minute to think about it before you start with the questions. I belive it is more clear now for you what we have in hands. I expect to give you some answers but the real answer has to come from you. Please, feel free to make a well thought decission. After that we can work on small details.

Another pause helped to recover some breath.

And Thank You. Thank You for responding to the call and coming here to help. If you decide to stay, that will make us happy. The path towards normality is inevitable. Is a matter of time. And I believe this is the right time.

Excellent outline, thank you. Before I (player) joined the game, although Mac may well be aware of it.

Left out one thing, though: Voter registration. Can be rolled into the census as the information needed is already being collected. But you cannot have an administration without the means to control and direct that administration, and to hold it to account.

In reply to Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald (msg # 289):

You can register to vote at the polls, as long as you have ID and proof of residency. Many people won't have that, which is why the census taking is important.

Tony

I totally forgot about the new players in regards to the reconstruction plan! It took me quite a long time to find it as it is not to be found in a reference thread. In any case, it remains the cornerstone of the Government plans for the return to "normal life" whatever "normal" could be a post-apocalyptic scenario!

Looking forward to plan another mission. I have to say that this is my first and only rpg and I'm having a great time all along!

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 291):

I checked the Elections Canada website. To register at the polls all you need is to have an Elector with ID to vouch for you. Registering for Provincial elections is similar in nature. In this situation, the government is registering people as they are surveyed and documented.

Tony

Something interesting came up on the BBC today: http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29804446

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 293):

Using psychopaths to maintain order, really thinking outside the box, there!

One of our players, Andrews, is starting a post-holocaust game. Not much details except that it's going to be character-driver, but he's looking for players. The system is GURPS:

link to another game

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 294):

Waiting on the HMMWV to be pulled out, Kel will inspect and make sure it is servicable, then ask Taras if she can give the civvies the soft sider

My internet is down with a fault on the line for 1 to 3 days. Please NPC if needed.

Cymon.

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 296):

So my take away from that communication should be what?

That we may need allies against the Russians?  Play nice?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 297):

Take it the world doesn't revolve around you?

There are other things going on. This suggests the "barrage jamming" you experienced was not due to the bikers bit possibly coincidental.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 298):

Ah gotcha.

how shameful that it doesn't!

That said, is Javier out of pocket?

Bout to give away that Hummer...

Hang on, I'll post in the morrow...

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 301):

Thanks Javier!

So, mission is to return asap after recovery?  I am thinking about us going back with these fine folks to say hi.

Thoughts?

In reply to Kelsey Sarah Champlain (msg # 302):

Sounds good. Should we see if they are able to trade for the Humvee ?

In reply to Thomas Matthew Andrews (msg # 303):

Thinking goodwill.

Yeah. If you are willing to return quickly we can plan for a forward patrol to meet the other Police Depts. in the area.
This message was last edited by the player at 06:20, Thu 20 Nov 2014.

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 305):

From my perspective, depends on their medical situation.  No Doc==probably work for Will.

In reply to William Hawke (msg # 306):

Sorry for a lack of posting, busy week. I'll try to get something on the weekend.

Tony

I take it you're following the civilian vehicles (Humvee, then Iltis?) into Langley? That actually brings you closer to the fort. As well, the known location of an HA club house, which would be roughly between you and the fort.

Tony

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 308):

Ouch, well, that makes some sense.

In reply to helbent4 (msg # 308):

Drive by with the Charlie G ?

Already been done.  Gang war between the Angels and the Banditos in Denmark and Finland.

http://articles.chicagotribune...le-launcher-turf-war

Also, I hope that we just didn't give a HMMWV to the Angels.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:52, Sat 06 Dec 2014.

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 311):

There was a massive war between the Hells Angels and the Outlaws-allied Rock Machine in Montreal in the 90s. What remained of the Mafia in Montreal (which has a large Italian community) joined the HAs en masse, there were dozens of car bombings and 160 deaths between 1994 and 2002 and by the end the Rock Machine was gone.

Tony

Merry Christmas to all you folks!

God Bless and Happy Holidays!

Merry XMas!

Tony

I guess WW-III in Vancouver Island would probably resuscitate the old SVIR (South Vancouver Island Rangers). Within a year of its formation during the Spring of 1941 the SVIR was absorbed by the Department of National Defense into the new military service known as the PCMR (Pacific Coast Militia Rangers).

http://www.navalandmilitarymus...al_defence/pcmr.html

A lumberjack army, basically!

New Glasgow, a small town in Nova Scotia proudly sports one of the Cougars they use:

http://canadianawareness.org/w...355_1788920727_n.jpg

In reply to Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko (msg # 317):

Ha! That looks like a Grizzly, not a Coug'.

Tony

Heads up.  Just wanted to let everyone know that Google Earth Pro is now free. It seems like a powerful tool for maps that could be helpful for us.

https://www.google.com/work/ma...oducts/earthpro.html

In reply to Stanley Alistair Abbot (msg # 319):

Sounds great, thanks for the tip! I often will use a Chromebook at work but it will help on my home computer. Thanks!

Tony