Reference Information.   Posted by helbent4.Group: 0
helbent4
 GM, 89 posts
 aka Tony
Thu 17 Jan 2008
at 16:00
OOC: Reference Information
This thread is for maps, gathered info, equipment (team and personal) and radio call-signs.


Tony
Christopher Little Hawk MacDonald
 player, 8 posts
 1/RMR - DRI
 Private
Fri 18 Jan 2008
at 11:29
Personal Equipment
Basic Kit:

1x FN (C1A1) +  6 spare magazines and 180 loose rounds 7.62mm NATO (webbing, pockets, pack)
1x Hi-Power (HP-35) + 2 spare magazines 9mm (pistol belt)

1x Kevlar helmet (net covering, scrim)
1x Kevlar vest
1x OD Green combats
1x Bandanna (camouflage)

Combat webbing/Pockets:

1x Knife
1x Flashlight (plus spare batteries)
1x Holster with 2 spare Hi-Power magazines
1x 1st Aid kit
2x Ammo pouches with 4 spare FN magazines (2 more spares are in fatigue pockets)
6x C13 fragmentation grenades (in grenade pouches)
2x HC Smoke (Orange/Red)
3x Days rations IMPs
1x Fishing Gear (line, hooks, lures)
2x Canteens
1x Motorola walkie-talkie (plus spare batteries)
1x E-Tool

Pack:

1x Gas mask
1x Spare set of Combats
1x OD Boonie hat
1x Baseball cap (Kamloops Blazers)
1x Sleeping bag
1x Poncho/shelter-half
180 Loose rounds of 7.62mm.
1x AN/PVS-504 NVGs (plus spare batteries)
1x Canon binoculars 7x magnification
1x 25x Image Intensifier/Laser RF
1x Towel, toiletries
1x Tobacco pouch, rolling papers, lighter, matches
1x Set camouflage face paint tubes
2x M72 LAW rockets

His skill set is reconnaissance and combat medic, with hunting, fishing and small boat handling thrown in.

This message was last edited by the player at 09:34, Wed 09 May 2012.

Kelsey Sarah Champlain
 player, 7 posts
 3/RSR - DRI
 Private
Fri 18 Jan 2008
at 11:34
Personal Equipment
Basic Kit:

1x C8 carbine +  6 spare magazines and 180 loose rounds 5.56mm NATO (webbing, pockets, pack)

1x Kevlar helmet (net covering, scrim)
1x Kevlar vest
1x OD Green combats
1x OD Green bandanna

Combat webbing:

1x Knife
1x Flashlight (plus spare batteries)
1x 1st Aid kit
2x ammo pouches with 6 spare NATO STANAG 5.56mm magazines
6x C13 fragmentation grenades
2x HC Smoke (Green/White)
3x days rations IMPs
2x canteens
1x PRC-77 radio, spare battery, long-range antenna

Pack:

1x AN/PVS-504 NVGs
1x Gas mask
1x Spare set of OD Combats
1x OD Boonie hat
1x Baseball cap (UVic Vikings)
1x Sleeping bag
1x Towel, toiletry kit
1x Poncho/shelter-half
180 Loose rounds of 5,56mm NATOmm.
1x Carton Player's Light cigarettes, matches, 3 disposable lighters.

Her primary skill set is Signaller and mechanic, with some skill in Heavy Gun and Autogun.

This message was last edited by the GM at 21:18, Wed 12 Jan 2011.

Zhang Rachel Lee
 player, 20 posts
 RCMP E Division
 Staff Sergeant (Brevet)
Sun 20 Jan 2008
at 10:13
Re: Personal Equipment
MP5A3 smg (w/light) + 6 Mags
S&W 5946 + 2 Mags
Remington 870 Shotgun
Frag Grenades 2
Halligan Entry Tool
Tactical Radio
1995 Era Digital Camera
AN/PVS-14 NVGS
Pers Med Kit
Nylon Rope 4m
Carabiners X4
Emergency Rescue Para-Flare
CS Grenades (Box) 2 Carried
MC Smoke Grenades 2 Carried
NICO Thunderflash 2 Carried

This message was last edited by the player at 21:19, Wed 12 Jan 2011.

Robert Duncan Fox
 player, 28 posts
 1/CAR - DRI
 Sergeant
Mon 21 Jan 2008
at 10:29
Re: Personal Equipment
C7A1 with C79 Optical Sight 1
M72 2
Fragmentation Grenades 4
HC Smoke Grenades 2
WP Smoke Grenades 2
Bayonet 1

5.56mmN Magazines (Loaded) 6
5.56mmN Loose 180

Starlight Scope (unmounted) 1
.5km Radio 1
Gas Mask 1
Compass 1
Binoculars 1
Flashlight (angled standard issue) 1
Night Vision Goggles (AN/PVS-504) 1
Geiger Counter 1
Chem Detector Kit 10
Chemical Sniffer 1
Personal Med Kit 3
Snow Shoes 1
Multi-tool 1
Duct Tape Roll (1/2 used)
Compact Fishing Kit 1
String 1
Rucksack 1
Shelter Half 1
Webbing 1
Sleeping Bag 1

Combat Uniform Set (Olive Drab) 2
Kevlar Helmet (w/ scrim) 1
Kevlar Vest 1
Thermal Clothing Set 1
Bush Hat 1
Toque 1
Leather Gloves 1
Airborne Beret 1

This message was last edited by the GM at 21:20, Wed 12 Jan 2011.

Andrew Montgomery McRae
 player, 18 posts
 1/CAR - DRI
 Corporal
Tue 22 Jan 2008
at 15:00
Re: Personal Equipment
C8A1 carbine (Reflex sight, tac-light, foregrip) + 6 spare magazines
C3A1 Parker-Hale (10x Unertl telescopic sight, ELCAN Black Cat Vision Optics, bipod) + 6 Spare mags
Browning HP-35 $150 w/ 3 full mags 9mm P

WP Grenade (2x)
C13 Fragmentation Grenades (6x)
HC Smoke Grenades (2x)
Ghillie Suit
Padded carrying/drag-bag for C3A1
.5km hand radio (Motorola)
Claymore directional mine

Personal medkit
6x Binoculars/Laser Rangefinders w/ tripod
IR Goggles
Nomex Flyer's Gloves
Magnetic Compass
Flashlight (IR attachment)
Multi-tool

OD Green Touque, Boonie hat
OD Green Combats, Parachute smock
Canadian camo pattern boonie cap
Civilian hiking clothes (for undercover ops; Storm Rider denim jacket, Levis, sotton shirt, bandanna, baseball cap.)
Pack (sleeping bag, toiletries, spare set Combats, sleeping bag, raingear)

Case of 600 rounds 7.62mm N (match)
Case of 840 rounds 5.56mm N

This message was last edited by the GM at 19:23, Tue 22 Jan 2008.

helbent4
 GM, 116 posts
 aka Tony
Fri 25 Jan 2008
at 07:11
Building Map

   ______________________________________
 Stairs
 Up
__ 
  
  
  
  
 Catwalk
 With
 Balcony
  
  
 Office (Windows overlooking
 ________________ Floor and outside
\ Lee X 
  
X Fox ____ 
______________X____________________
2 Children

This message was last edited by the GM at 07:20, Fri 25 Jan 2008.

helbent4
 GM, 168 posts
 aka Tony
Wed 6 Feb 2008
at 07:27
Re: Tactical Overview
Route Map #3

Note: the fence goes north along Camosun.

http://tinyurl.com/2f466a
helbent4
 GM, 181 posts
 aka Tony
Wed 13 Feb 2008
at 17:15
Re: Tactical Overview
The Chairperson of the Council that governed the community at UBC known as the Faculty was Angela Kwan, former Dean of Law. She was conservatively dressed in a skirt and suit.

The head of the Faculty's volunteer militia and the deputy chair was Alain Belanger. He was a short friendly balding man with a neatly trimmed salt-and-pepper beard and intelligent eyes. He allowed that he was in the army, and had been forced to remember lessons learned decades ago in the 60's and 70's. Before the war he had been Dean of Criminology, although he admitted he also had a degree in history. A walkie-talkie radio peeked out of his suit pocket.

The Sikh, Sgt. Khandola, was of course the senior NCO and detachment commander. After talking to him Rachel was somewhat surprised that he was not a career Mountie but had immigrated to Canada in the early 90's after serving in the Indian army for over a decade.

Judy Salter was a large long-haired middle-aged hippie-looking woman in a tie-dyed long dress. As a former professor of Agriculture, her department was of course key in feeding the community. She was proud of the community's self-sufficiency, use of renewable resoureces and low environmental footprint.

Running the Supplies/Logistics department was Shoji Kasawa, a former professor of economics. Salvage crews, recycling, fuel generation, all was under his careful watch and resource management. Head shaved, he wore sandals, panama shorts and a short-sleeved shirt.

The Maintenance/mechanics department was run by Eldar Oeleksyn, a wiry fellow and Ukrainian who immigrated to Canada before the war. He had been a professor of physics but knew quite a bit about mechanics. His department kept the Faculty's fleet of vehicles and various sources of power running, oversaw waste management, road repairs, and performed the many tasks that kept the Faculty in business.

Lastly was Paul Tremblay, a long-haired and bearded Computer Science graduate student. His small and specialised department was Communications. This included not only the radios used for communications, but UBC's commercial radio and TV transmitters (currently non-functional), telecommunications network and computer network.
helbent4
 GM, 186 posts
 aka Tony
Fri 15 Feb 2008
at 13:59
Re: Tactical Overview
 There is no war here. The situation is what we call "balanced opposition". Groups hold each other in check through group unity and mutual deterrence. This different groups or communities around the Lower Mainland have responsability for the defense of the members. This is where deterrence lies, in the balance. Individuals do not face groups, and small groups do not face large groups. This way we have a more or less peaceful area but anarchic anyways.

Taras was trying to let the words sink. Not an easy endevour.

Of course there is no Courts, Police other than what you'll see here or Army to maintain control of these groups. Our community is based on a democratic basis but we are aware than some of the other "neighbourhoods" have tended to rule tyrannically. The arrival of the good weather may bring complications and we want to act fast.

Taking one of the papers given by Ms Kwan he continued:

The Faculty has the moral and ethical authority to begin a program to unify the people and give them a form of Government and restore their rights as Canadians citizens. The Council contacted the Federal Government and was granted initial support in the form of...you guys...

Taras paused a bit to look at their faces. Then he looked at the sheet:

Here is the plan that the Faculty is willing to put to work:

Step #1: To establish the legal frame that will legitimate this mission. This will be done by the implementation of the British Columbia Patriotic Act. A document that, as we speak, is been elaborated by the team of Law School Professors, and will reflect the measures to reach the objectives of pacification, normalization and ratification of the integration into a Federal system with the rest of provinces and territories of Canada.

Step #2: Identify the communities of residents, survivors, refugees, etc and identify their leaders.

Step #3: Conduct a census or Vital Statistics record of every person belonging to such communities. In order to guarantee the transparency and accountability of this process the local media of the Faculty will be present. So expect to ride along...

Step #4: Implement an electoral process in order to validate the mandate of these identified leaders and get recognition as civilian authorities. They will guarantee the safe return of refugees and the respect of the civil liberties.

Step #5: Create a referendum between the leadership in order to accept, modify if necessary and extend throughout the province of British Columbia the mentioned BC Patriotic Act. This will include the acceptance of the Council as a legitimate base of democratic process and the acceptance of Ms Kwan as a provisional Lt Governor for the province.

Taras stare briefly towards Angela. She didn't react.

Now. Your mission will be to help to implement this plan. We need your help to recon the different areas where the scarce population is located and provide as much information as possible. This will include contact with their leaders and negotiation. Some paperwork will be provided to help achieve this. We have lists with the amount of services that the University is able to provide and also blank forms for the Vital Stats.

Just a reminder. This is the City of Vancouver. This is Canada. The respect for the life and property of the citizens of this country is the most important thing. Everything that we destroy will have to be reconstructed and we are full accountable for that. We'll go into more detail regarding the different groups that we are aware that live in the Lower Mainland. It will show to you. The Faculty is willing to provide you with food and shelter for free. But a long stay may need of your cooperation in terms of offering security to the premises since the local force still struggling with their tasks.





"We have some general intelligence on factions and groups in the Lower Mainland. It is somewhat out of date."

"For most of the last year we concentrated on salvaging materials from the local neighborhoods, consolidating the community here and establishing our security perimeter."

"It was an unfortunate trade-off. Concentrating close to home has left us with serious gaps in our knowledge further afield. This is the reason that your HQ has primarily tasked you for reconnaissance."

He paused to let that sink in, then continued.

"As part of a long-term program, we just sent a meteorology team to monitor water levels up-river, but they are instructed not to interact with anyone and keep out of sight. We have contact with many people in neighboring Kits and of course the Musqueam band. That is the extent of our forays and contacts."

"Of course, we will willingly share all the information we have on file."

"Out of a total population of 1000 (about half of whom live here at UBC), we have a part-time volunteer militia of 120, led by the RCMP, armed with hunting weapons and pistols. For heavy weapons, we only have the one RPG and a GPMG that Taras has donated for community defence."

The Japanese professor, Kasawa picked up from there.

"Resource-wise we have all that you ask, and we will willingly share what we have."

"During the early part of the war much government matériel was stockpiled here, as this was to be a major nexus for recovery in case of natural disaster or nuclear attack. Although most of the military supplies were moved when the city was evacuated, we retained much in the way of communications equipment and other supplies.

"At this time our only real shortages are in weapons, ammunition, and warm bodies."

"We are not cloistered academics, cowering from the cruel world. We are willing to risk much to help restore order in the Lower Mainland, because there is a narrow optimal window for national recovery and once it closes, it will remain closed for a decade or more."

"Specifically as to what we can offer to other communities, we possess a knowledge base for instruction in many fields. Some medical supplies and advanced equipment (including a PET scanner courtesy of the physicists at TRIUMF), and of course the university teaching hospital. We are self-sufficient in terms of food, but do not have a large surplus."

"We have been quite successful in salvaging electronics like radios and computer equipment. Much that people assumed was damaged by EMP was in fact not, although it was of course without power. At this time establishing a telecommunications system is seen as an important first step in introducing social and political cohesion."

"There are several thousand litres of wood-grain alcohol available in storage. As well as a type of fuel known as "bio-diesel", which should be as good as the real thing."

"Some of the engineers have been working on an alcohol-powered light aircraft engine and a smaller one for a remote control drone, but so far no airframes on which to mount them or even complete the tests. They will probably end up making those from scratch. We do have a fair number of small watercraft, some made at the Celtic shipyard, as it happens."

Lee's colleague Sgt. Khandola offered, "I can show you around the campus detachment. There are naturally some holding facilities there. Before the war detainees would have been transferred to Richmond or Vancouver, of course, so we had to build some cells for our own use."
helbent4
 GM, 215 posts
 aka Tony
Mon 3 Mar 2008
at 08:45
Strategic Overview
The attitude of the ex Soviet combatant was visibly different from the previous days. Somehow the old Officer was showing again. Neatly pressed uniform and headgear. Flap holster on his right hip, trimmed facial hair and energetic posture reflected quite a departure from yesterday.

Good Morning Ladies and Gentlemen! The tone of the voice commanding business.

The University of British Columbia has been a lonely oasis compared to the lack of accountability for the rest of the Lower Mainland. For quite a long time the Council, with me included, has been developping a program to implement and restore normal life. Due to the lack of personnel, weather conditions and proper contact with the Federal authorities this was not possible.

He was standing next to a map of the city. For effect, sometimes pointed with an extended hand to the explicit location mentioned.

Now that we have your presence here and the authority given by Ottawa and Duncan in the Island, we have the ability to start doing the job

A sip on the juice cleared his throat.

Thankfully we are fully aware of the geographic conditions of the City. We have plenty of maps for that. But, regrettably we lack understanding of the human terrain . A throughout and current understanding of the individuals and their communities is necessary in order to win the support of the Government that we represent and allowing this authority to meet their needs. To gain this information we have in mind three different types of approach:

#1 - By intelligence operatives. He paused and looked at the sharpshooter member of the team. In this case this will be you, sir. We are going to need a good soldier with excellent observations skills to provide first hand account of certain areas to guarantee a minimum of security for the team before moves in.

#2 - By operators on patrol. Taras looked in the eyes of all the crew. This is pretty obvious. We'll meet the people and will ask questions. Lots of them.

#3 - By or from the population directly. The ex Officer pointed towards the window. Implementation of Vancouver I.R.O.N. Project will facilitate insight in the communities. By the way I.R.O.N. stands for Integrated Reconstruction Operating Network.

He took a seat at the edge of one of the tables.

As you can see this acknowledges the role of traditional military intelligence but then goes beyond it.

The he looked, for no apparent reason, towards Rachel:

Media will be embedded at all times .

The most elemental way to learn about the population is to carry out a registry census. That, sirs, means that we are going to take names . Lots of them.

The core of this registry-census will be five basic lines:

At this point Taras expected that somebody will be taking some notes.

#1 - A basic census: who lives where, sex, age, birth place, marital status, etc.

#2 - Relationship of the individuals. We are talking families. The basic elements to form communities.

#3 - Health. We need to know mobility status for evacuations, medical conditions, routine medical attention, emergencies, etc.

#4 - Work . How this people make a living. We are aware of commerce centres around the Lower Mainland but we need every bit of info on this to gain the pulse in the current economic activity in the Lower Mainland.

#5 - License. We need to gather information about people licensed to: drive, hunt, fish, operate heavy machinery, etc. This will include a weapons registry.

Another sip went through...

Besides this we are going to need extra intel on status of buildings and incidents as in crimes, etc.

This will form the base for a next step that will be the creation of a PIC or Provincial Identification Card. At this point we can count with a Picture ID type but we are also willing to create a fingerprint database as well. This step is already in progress with the native band. We have created a NIC or Native Identification Card . So the girls at the printing shop are having a good time with our PIC/NIC program!

Taras couldn't help a laugh. Only to recover the seriousness of the briefing.

During the contact with the locals we are going to encourage the use of the telephone land lines available in order to keep UBC informed of any new occurrence as part of the mentioned "IRON" program.

Taras was now imitating the gestures of a cameraman.

The TV crew will be present. We need it for several reasons: First is accountability. We need to know any time a weapon is cocked and locked, we need to record any critical event and use this taping to analize the patrol conducted, we'll learn lessons with that. Cameras will inhibit unwanted behaviour. And we'll meet people of interest as well.

Taras stopped for a while. Damn, I need a cigarette .

As you can see we are going to gather lots of information from diferent sources. From our own military intelligence undercover. Again he pointed towards the sniper. From our patrols and the media embedded and finally through the communities as well. All this information will flow under IRON and will serve the purpose of creating not only a registered census but also offer the services that the UBC can provide. .

Taras took a piece of paper from one of his pockets.

These services are:

- 911: Fire, Ambulance and Police.
- Management and administration of established communities.
- Transportation.
- Health services beyond medical emergencies.
- Environmental services.
- Laundry and billeting. Oh yes!
- Equipment maintenance. From small appliances to urban infrastructure.
- Food inspection.
- Communications access and maintenance.
- Power supply and distribution to a limited extent.
- Limited water supply and or water treatment.
- Construction. At this point only at repair levels.
- Waste management.
- Facilities, roads and grounds maintenance.
- Licensing for driving, hunting, fishing, etc.
- Correctional/Penitenciary. Well, it truly is a service for the City.
- Issue of PIC/NIC cards.

This is what the Council and the UBC has to offer. As you can see we are not going out there asking a lot without also offering a lot. Your job is to convey this and win the hearts and minds of the survivors, refugees and whoever is out there and bring the city to a normal status.

Pausing for another gulp of lemonade he continued:

Profesor Alain will give you more detail in the ROEs. Just to let you know that depending on heavy armor or aggressive raids will have a low pay off. But if necessary, we are ready to act with lethal force according to the threat and our capabilities. There will be ROEs for civilians, RCMP and Military. I hope you can understand this. We are on the side of the Law and we have to use it as a tool for our own benefit and the public we are trying to serve.

Ladies and Gentlemen. Take a minute to think about it before you start with the questions. I belive it is more clear now for you what we have in hands. I expect to give you some answers but the real answer has to come from you. Please, feel free to make a well thought decission. After that we can work on small details.

Another pause helped to recover some breath.

And Thank You. Thank You for responding to the call and coming here to help. If you decide to stay, that will make us happy. The path towards normality is inevitable. Is a matter of time. And I believe this is the right time.




 Gentlemen, in order to restore normal activity we depend on the support from the Federal Government, the Military and Law Enforcement and the population. We can count with the first two. To win the hearts and minds of the citizens will be a difficult task. After years of abandon, some people will refuse to cooperate with us at first. What is worst is the rooted crime and overall anarchy. We may expect criminal elements armed and dangerous. We will have to deal with this as the mission cannot be compromised in this respect.

Taras tried to give more information in his briefing...

I believe at this point that your combat vehicle is in need of serious repair. That may take a long time as this is not very common and easy task for the guys at the shop. In the mean time the Council can offer some pick-up trucks and other platforms, even armoured trucks to collect money from banks that could be used!.

Looking at Rachel added:

Another option is to start with the North Shore. The Council is aware that there is a small community that can be reached and they are willing to work with us. In that case we will deploy a special boat to reach that place. No other vehicle will be necessary since this community is located near the shore.

Now was the time to address the Lieutenant.

Sir, most of the work will be conducting information recollection. This can be tedious and time consuming but that is why we will have the help of the local militia. But the teams to do the job will need previous overall intel of what may expect in the area, such as human activities, presence of armed people, etc. They will also may need escort and if things get ugly and need to be "defused" the presence of your crew will be integral part of the success of this project.




"I guess I can shed some light on the North Shore, for the easterners."

Kelsey, having lived in the Lower Mainland, had some personal knowledge of the area.

"The North Shore is basically on the north side of Burrard Inlet. The cities of North and West Vancouver ("North Van" and "West Van") are on the shoreline between the water and the North Shore mountains, which are actually pretty big. (Three are ski hills: Grouse Mountain, Seymour Mountain and Cyprus Bowl.)"

"The mountains are pretty rugged, and form the watershed for the city's reservoirs. Clevelnad Dam is at the main reservoir, Capilano Lake. I dunno if it's a hydro dam or not."

"For example, I heard there are only 2 paved roads between them and the North Pole. There are a lot of fjords throughout there, like Deep Cove and Indian Arm."

"North Van is north from Vancouver and across the water and went to the east to Indian Arm, and it was basically middle-class. West Van stretched along to the west, and was a very wealthy suburb. One of the richest neighborhoods in the Lower Mainland was located there, the "British Properties"."

"The recce a few weeks ago said they believed there was a community around one of the marinas in West Van."

"I guess that would be the best place to start."




"I know you're interested in the North Shore. I had a friend that drives up there every now and then over the Lion's Gate bridge, and so I visited him. He says there's a small market on Lonsdale, the more urban part of North Van, on the water. Pretty small potatoes."

"He's hasn't been to West Van in about a year, but did hear there's a fishing village over there, somewhere near the ferry terminal at Horseshoe Bay."

"He also said he's not visited the North Shore in the last little while because the Lion's Gate's been blockaded. There's a gang operating in Stanley Park, that's been harassing people trying to cross the bridge."

"Also, we need to get you on-line. Makes sharing information a lot easier! I'll have someone over tomorrow to take care of that."



helbent4
 GM, 216 posts
 aka Tony
Mon 3 Mar 2008
at 08:50
Stanley Park
Topographical Map:

http://www.topozone.com/map.as...83&layer=DRGCM50

"Street" Map:

http://exchangezones.com/sites...park_overviewmap.jpg

Video:

http://www.city.vancouver.bc.c...anleyParkSeawall.wmv

Pictures:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wi...Seawall_soldiers.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Stanley_Seawall.jpg

http://www.walkvancouver.com/StanleyPark/Image033.jpg

This message was last edited by the GM at 20:56, Sat 22 Mar 2008.

helbent4
 GM, 224 posts
 aka Tony
Wed 5 Mar 2008
at 04:16
Re: Stanley Park
"It is currently... 1315 on April 3rd, 2001."

"Leaving at 1945 hours, the team in the Whale-watcher and a zodiac will travel via Burrard Inlet and Howe Sound to Whiskey Cove."

"The recce element in the zodiac, McRae and MacDonald, will insert into Ambleside Park, covered by the team (which will recover the zodiac). They will proceed along the high ground here, westward." he traced a route on the map to the immediate north of the Trans-Canada.

"Some time around twenty-four hundred on the 3rd (tonight) or oh-one-hundred hours on the 4th the recce element should be able to place Eagle Harbour under direct surveillance for around 24 hours, until around 2400 hours on the 4th. After that, during the early morning hours of the 5th ("oh-dark-thirty"), they then relocate north along the high ground and recce the proposed main landing site at Whiskey Cove. They then remain in place for the main element to arrive at 0515, before dawn at 0615."

"In the mean time and prior to that (also on the night of the 3rd), the rest of the team will then conduct a visual reconnaissance of Stanley Park and the Lion's Gate Bridge, traveling by water from the east to west, then south along the seawall. If insertion is desired (but frankly not recommended absent the LAV for fire support) it can be done on the part of the seawall with the low ground behind it here to the immediate east of the bridge, where I believe there is a stairs and trail up to the bridge abutment"

"Once this visual reconnaissance is completed and well before daylight, the main element will retire to the Marina to be held in reserve until they RV with the recce element 1 hour prior to dawn on the 5th at Whiskey Cove."

"Both elements, accompanied at that point by the media team, will then proceed from Whiskey Cove to Eagle Harbour."

"For additional forces, the UBC reaction team and supporting Militia elements will be held in reserve at the Marina for the entire time. They will have as additional equipment night vision equipment and a GPMG from our stocks, as well as a C6 borrowed from the team."

"Comms will include the code words suggested, hourly check-ins, and so on. Arranged by the team Signaller."

Lacking vital information like the presence of possible hostile forces he included every other detail that went into a standard warning order, including the presence of civilians and the need to treat them with care.

"Rules of Engagement are as follows: Rights to Engage in self-defense is always paramount. Civilians and armed forces of unknown (but potentially friendly disposition) will be present. They may be suspicious or confrontational. Weapons are therefore to be kept at "Loaded", magazines inserted but no rounds chambered. (Support weapons above Section Automatic Weapon or single-shot grenade launcher level will be kept loaded and a round chambered, including the automatic grenade launcher on the rigid-inflatable whale-watcher.)

Armed hostile forces (defined as outlaws, criminals, enemy combatants etc.) are to be met by going to Action or Instant (weapons free) as per the aforementioned Rights to Engage according to the situation.

Minimal force necessary is to be used against unarmed threats.

Exceptions to the above restrictions (other than Rights to Engage) would be to defend civilian life and property. Civilian casualties are to be avoided at all costs and collateral damage to property unless necessary.

Any enforcement of the Criminal Code will be done by the RCMP personnel present, at his or her discretion. Although it is worth bearing in mind that the purpose of this mission is reconnaissance and not law enforcement."






RULES OF ENGAGEMENT



Nothing in these rules interferes implicitly with your Rights to Engage or to take appropriate action to ensure your personal safety, the safety of your unit or that of civilians.


  1. You have the right to use force to defend yourself against attacks or threats of attack.

  2. Hostile fire may be returned effectively and promptly to halt a hostile act.

  3. If attacked by unarmed hostile elements, use the minimum non-lethal force necessary under the circumstances to accomplish your mission.

  4. You may not seize the property of others to accomplish your mission unless involved in a criminal act (see below).

  5. Enforcement of the Criminal Code, including detention of civilians or the seizing of property and weapons, is authorized only for the attached RCMP personnel and at their discretion.

  6. Weapons to be normally kept at Amber.


Remember:
  • We are not at war with the people of Vancouver and not all armed parties are to be automatically considered hostile.
  • Treat everyone with dignity and respect.
  • Many people may be unreceptive or suspicious. This does not make them "hostile" under these ROEs.
  • Use minimum force to conduct your mission.
  • This is a reconnaissance mission, so withdrawal or avoidance is always preferable to confrontation.
  • Always be prepared to act in self-defence or the defence of civilians.
  • Avoid civilian casualties under any circumstances or the destruction of property if at all possible.


Red – round in chamber & on safe;
Amber – magazine in chamber or rounds in feed tray but no rounds chambered, weapons on safe;
Green – weapons cleared and on safe.






Blood Types

LT Jagelis: O-
Sgt. Fox: AB-
M. Cpl. McRae: A+
Pvt. MacDonald: AB-
Pvt. Champlain: B+
Acting Sgt. Lee: A+
Sp. Constable Shevchenko: O+


http://tinyurl.com/2preqp

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helbent4
 GM, 235 posts
 aka Tony
Sat 8 Mar 2008
at 13:49
Lion's Gate Bridge
See Game Map for reference.

Note: the countour lines represent 50' of elevation. The slope is very steep and almost completely forested. In the first photo linked-to below you're just under and to the right of the far end of the bridge.

http://travel.webshots.com/pho...30490026789893OdiWkN

http://travel.webshots.com/pho...2WoFMEr?vhost=travel

Prospect Point and the Lookout above from the east:

http://travel.webshots.com/pho...3fQRSoQ?vhost=travel

Under the bridge:

http://entertainment.webshots....?vhost=entertainment

This message was last edited by the GM at 21:01, Sat 22 Mar 2008.

helbent4
 GM, 268 posts
 aka Tony
Sat 22 Mar 2008
at 20:54
The Rigid Inflatable Boat
Whale-watcher boat:

Note that the seats are removed and the top bar lowered with a pintle mount in a ring on the right side to allow for 360-degree traverse.


This message was last edited by the GM at 20:57, Sat 22 Mar 2008.

Andrea Clarke-Sullivan
 player, 32 posts
 LT Commander
 DRI/VIC
Thu 1 May 2008
at 00:58
Re: OOC: Reference Information
I just saw a story on this guy on PBS, Secrets of the Dead.  He moved to Canada after the war and served on the faculty of UBC.  He died in 2006.  Rudolf Vrba.  He escaped from Auswitz and wrote a report that brought the truth of what was going on there to the world.

http://www.holocaustresearchpr...org/revolt/vrba.html
Taras Vladimirovich Shevchenko
 player, 99 posts
 Fmr. 62nd MRD
 Senior Lieutenant
Thu 1 May 2008
at 05:55
Re: OOC: Reference Information
Interesting story, thanks for sharing. Casually, a few minutes ride from there this character made also his new home...until recently:

http://www.canada.com/vancouve...15-ae88-06d602223a54
Andrea Clarke-Sullivan
 player, 43 posts
 LT Commander
 DRI/VIC
Fri 2 May 2008
at 04:29
Re: OOC: Reference Information
As Fox requested, modified ROE:

RULES OF ENGAGEMENT

Nothing in these rules interferes implicitly with your Rights to Engage or to take appropriate action to ensure your personal safety, the safety of your unit or that of civilians.

1. You have the right to use force to defend yourself against attacks or threats of attack.
2. Hostile fire may be returned effectively and promptly to halt a hostile act.
3. If attacked by unarmed hostile elements, use the minimum non-lethal force necessary under the circumstances to accomplish your mission.
4. You may not seize the property of others to accomplish your mission unless involved in a criminal act (see below).
5. Enforcement of the Criminal Code, including detention of civilians or the seizing of property and weapons, is authorized only for the attached RCMP personnel and at their discretion.
6. Weapons to be normally kept at Loaded.

Remember:
§ We are not at war with the people of Vancouver and not all armed parties are to be automatically considered hostile.
§ Treat everyone with dignity and respect.
§ Many people may be unreceptive or suspicious. This does not make them "hostile" under these ROEs.
§ Use minimum force to conduct your mission.
§ This is a reconnaissance mission, so withdrawal or avoidance is always preferable to confrontation.
§ Always be prepared to act in self-defense or the defense of civilians.
§ Avoid civilian casualties under any circumstances or the destruction of property if at all possible.

ROE Mission Status:
A mission status applies special rules to the ROE.  Status can be upgraded by the Unit Commander as needed.

Blue Status: (Applies to patrols in CP/UCB governed areas.) Please bear in mind that in the Blue Status, CF/RCMP Forces act more as Police than Military and should behave as such.  Err to the side of restraint wherever possible.
Green Status: (Applies to patrols in allied/friendly areas.) Unless requested, matters of law will be left up to the governing civil authorities for the area.  As guests in friendly territory, restraint is paramount.
Yellow Status: (Applies to patrols in potential allied/unknown areas.) Safety of patrols is not assured in these areas.  Balance caution and restraint.
Red Status: (Applies to patrols in hostile/suspected unfriendly areas.) Safety of patrols is paramount.  Any threats to the patrol should be met with all due force.

Weapon Statuses:

Default status is "Loaded".  This may be changed at the discretion of the Unit Commander as needed.

Unloaded - no mag on the rifle and SAFETY ON.
Loaded - mag on the rifle, no round in the chamber and SAFETY ON.
Action - mag on the rifle, round in the chamber and SAFETY ON.
Instant - mag on the rifle, round in the chamber and SAFETY OFF.

This message was last edited by the player at 04:45, Fri 02 May 2008.

helbent4
 GM, 451 posts
 aka Tony
Fri 27 Jun 2008
at 15:01
Interrogation Information (Pt. 1)

"I'm Josh Talbot." He was 19 years old, a high-schooler from the suburb Burnaby (to the east where the nukes hit to take out the refineries and petroleum storage tank farms) who lost his parents in the nuclear attack 4 years earlier. "Mom and Dad... I was downtown for the day..." After being left behind in the confused evacuation of the city, he'd drifted around the Downtown core and the West End (the high-density neighborhood sandwiched between the business district and Stanley Park).

He lived with the people who'd taken up residence in several underground shopping malls and the Skytrain tunnels connecting them under the downtown core. "They call themselves "Undergrounders". I think most of them were probably homeless before the war."

Lee explained that the city's homeless population (like street people anywhere) had a high incidence of drug and alcohol addiction, in addition to mental illness (aka "dual-diagnosis").

"They took good care of me." Then this guy came through about a year, year and a half, ago, he was like... He said his name was "Cyrus". Which sounded cool. He said his family had taken over the park, Stanley Park. The people were building a home that no one could take away."

"Some people left with him, and I was tired of living like a freakin' mole, eh? So I went too."

"Most of the time it's cool. Hunting and fishing. Hanging out. Sometimes we trade some of the weed we grow with the Undergrounders."

"But we always do what Cyrus wants. Sometimes, like with those guys... he made us do stuff."
He looked severely disturbed and even ashamed.






"Well, ah okay. The ambush of the convoy. Last year."

"We keep sentries watching West Georgia St. on the West End (city) side, in the Tea House, 'cause Pacific St. is blocked off. We can put more kind of in a line watching for people on foot coming in from the West End, if we think something's going down. People in the downtown tell us, friends in the Undergrounders."

Clarke and Lee knew that while anyone could simply walk from the West End into the Park, West Georgia and Pacific were the only two vehicle entrances to the park, aside from the Lion's Gate Bridge. West Georgia continued on as the 3-lane Causeway through the heavily-wooded heart of the park,

"We have another bunch of guards at the Lookout by the bridge. There's an old restaurant and gift shop there."

"Most of the rest of the people in the Park live in either the Tea House restaurant or in and around the old Zoo and the Aquarium. There's about 80 people, about 60 adults and 20 kids. Most of the adults can and will fight, some harder than others."

"At any rate, the sentries guarding West Georgia saw these people coming and flashed a warning signal to the rest of us. We got into position along the Causeway."

"A little ways into the park after all the turn-offs, it's all one big ambush zone. There are spider holes dug along either side, tunnels and paths to move from place to place, trees rigged to fall to block the road or take out, you know, vehicles, punji stakes, pits with spikes, bunkers with stockpiles of firebombs and pipe-bombs, slingshots to throw them, caltrop thingies to take out tires, tripwires, everything you can think of. Everyone had crossbows, bows, knives, axes, even some swords."

"We let the convoy get good and into the park on the Causeway, then Cyrus signaled us to let them have it when one of the bikes in front hit the piano wire, took the rider's head clean off. Dropped trees in front and behind to stop them, blew up the outriders; anyone trying to get into the woods to fight us fell into the pits, hit the stakes, got shot with crossbows, whatever. Some of 'em tried falling back to the trucks and some guys actually used lines to swing down from the trees and on top of them."

"They surrendered. Most weren't even dead, they were just cut up or had arrows in 'em."


He looked a little sick remembering what came next. After a bit of a break to help him calm down, he continued.

"We I can give you a list of names, but I really don't want to go into a lot of detail after. I guess I can testify if you want me to. I only know their first names or their "street" names, though."


After he wrote down the names of everyone that he remembered that was involved, they segued into what happened a couple days ago.

"I guess someone seen you come in, the wake on the water. The moonlight. I think they might just have heard something, maybe gone to take a leak."

"They woke the people in the park, runners went out. When we seen you were going towards the bridge down on the seawalk, Cyrus already set up this little "welcome" for anyone coming that way. A dozen guys involved. They used torches, stayed in the woods out of sight. Distracted anyone into looking one way, they hit them with firebombs from behind."

This was basically what happened. Although at the time it seemed like 30 or more attackers, indeed a dozen could have pulled it off. If they were practiced and had a plan.

"When the guys on the raft fired off some grenades, I guess one came down and killed someone. A kid. People were really mad."

"We saw where you went that night, back to the Marina here. We also seen other boats coming and going yesterday."

"So Cyrus says there will be blood. Soon as it's dry we're going to take out the Marina. We're supposed to keep watch and figure out where you're coming from, because the Marina obviously isn't your base, it's just where the boats are."

"We came here yesterday and started to take notes. After dark, Sebastian, the other guy I was with, rode his bike and delivered them to the Park. Takes about an hour. No code or nothin'. Same deal tonight."

Josh paused, adding something he just remembered.

"Oh yeah, before we captured the trucks, we used alcohol for the firebombs. Traded with the Downtowners for it, with the weed we grow. Those trucks... they're tankers. I think they came from the airport. One's got gasoline in it. Cyrus says the other was full of jet fuel. We got some other stuff as well, mostly food and such."







"You have a map? Well, ah, the park is kind of triangular. Points to the east and west, and to the north. The causeway sort up goes up the middle and leads to the bridge. The other end of the causeway is West Georgia St.. Aside from West Georgia, the other road into the park is Beach Ave. Between Beach Ave. and West Georgia is Lost Lagoon, kind of like a lake. On the other side of the Causeway is, like, water, too. So it's easy to block off the Causeway. We get around on mountain bikes, on the paths."

"There's a dozen people at the west end of the park, all warriors. Living at the Fish House restaurant building. They cover Beach Ave. There's another dozen in the cafe/gift shop at Lookout Point keeping watch on the bridge."


He admitted that he made a mistake earlier; when he said the Teahouse he'd really meant the Fish House.

"The rest live around the buildings in the east end of the park. Like, the zoo, the aquarium, um... there's a stadium, a police station. From there they can cover West Georgia and the Causeway. Plus, there are fishing boats we pull up by Lumberman's Arch."

"No one really lives in the middle of the park, there's no water supply. Oh, I think maybe there's a couple families living in tents by Beaver Lake."






"Ah, okay, Cyrus and his bodyguards live here. It's where those fuel trucks are parked."

"It's hard to separate, you know, civilians from fighters, Cyrus' "warriors". 'Cause some of them got families, some of the moms could fight (don't know if they would). I've sort of separated them into where the children are and are not."


It was a little different from classical cult lines, where rigid control over reproduction and sexual activity was the norm.

"There are some guys dug into the island here." He indicated the Naval Cadet training station called HMCS Discovery in Coal Harbour. (Also known "Deadman's Island", as it was formerly a pre-European native burial ground.)

"I don't know why Cyrus doesn't attack them, but they've got barbed wire, shitloads of ammunition and guns, some machine guns. Mines, who knows what-all. Food, too lots of it, I think Cyrus gets food from them to leave them alone? We got some bunkers dug-in on the land side to keep watch, but no regular guards. We leave them alone, they leave us alone."

This isolated group had been referenced by Belanger. His friend and contact in the downtown, Sheppard, traded with them on occasion. He somehow thought they were Americans.

"Plus, there's a ship, like, the back half a ship there, by lighthouse point. Cyrus says it's radioactive, not safe. It's washed up, like, on the rocks. I think it's from when the bomb went off."

The MIRVed warheads were targeted around the eastern portion of Burrard Inlet, over the petroleum refining and storage facilities in North Burnaby, Port Moody and Ioco. (Ioco was in fact the largest refinery in the Lower Mainland, where an isolated hamlet/company town had grown up around the "Imperial Oil Co." refinery complex, and this in turn was also the basis of the name "Ioco".)

Perhaps this was the remains of a ship anchored offshore from the massive Port of Vancouver freight terminal in the Inlet, caught by the shockwave of the blasts. Back broken and separated into two pieces some fluke of water-tight compartments and floatation chambers enabled the rear half to drift with the tide out towards the narrows, where it had grounded on the rocks off Brockton Point Lighthouse.

"There's no prisoners I know of being held right now. Any outsiders Cyrus captures he usually kills, hangs from the bridge. If there were any, they would be held here in the cop shop, the police station."




"Some of the people (in the Park), they get off on the violence. I think most others just want to live in peace, are even afraid of him. They don't want to say anything. Cyrus has everyone afraid that the army and the police are going to come in an' kill everyone."

"I think people outside, they're scared of Cyrus. He's built up a pretty bad-ass rep. Most of the Undergrounders downtown don't really want to get involved, but don't really love the government either. There are a few of them that even say he's crazy but no one has stood up to him."


He moved on to Taras' other questions, prompted as necessary.

"Uh, I don't really know what Cyrus' big lans are. He wants all the gangs to join forces and resist the government. Talks about it all the time. He talks about holding a meeting in the summer some time, like a rally. He's mentioned the Bridge Trolls, the Hells Angels and the Los Diablos."

"But, ah, the trucks came from the Airport, and I don't know if he has any real contact with the Los Diablos, so maybe it's just blowing smoke?"


They'd heard about the Bridge Trolls, living on Sea Island and YVR (Vancouver International Airport). The possible link to the Hells Angels (aka "Hells Angels Motorcycle Club", "HAMC", "HAs", "Angels", "Hells") was no big surprise, they were an Outlaw Motorcycle Gang and a major criminal narcotics syndicate in BC and throughout Canada from before the war. They were well-organised, well-funded and well-armed. They had survived with little problem in the lawless atmosphere after the collapse of civil order. Mention of the Los Diablos were a little surprising; they were a street gang and low-level dealers from before the war, located mostly in suburban Burnaby and comprising many Hispanic immigrants from Central and South America.

He went over the Stickmen's numbers, weapons, training and organisation again. It was essentially the same as before: 60 adults, 20 children (give or take). About 2/3rds of the adults were male. Maybe 50 effectives, trained to use the weapons they had, mainly bows, crossbows, machetes, knives, Molotov cocktails.

Training daily was with weapons, some loose small-unit tactics (based on ad hoc sections of 5-10 warriors), and a lot of physical training. This high level of activity required more and better food than they could get themselves, necessitating trade with the outside.

Operationally they mostly were trained to react defensively to attacks on the park, via ambush and counter-attack, "but we have a few scouts (Cyrus' bodyguards) and we do go out of the park to take revenge on people. Plus lots of people know the city, how to get around. We know every inch of the park, and we are pretty quiet in the woods or the city when we need to be. When people come into the park it's usually via the Causeway. Once we get warning we get into our groups (which are designated ahead of time but change and are not permanent), man the bunkers and spider holes,  let them get a ways in and then stop them and take 'em out."

Relations with other communities were varied.


"Most Undergrounders are afraid of Cyrus. Some trade with him every month, he gets food and other supplies. He says they're not the enemny, but it's hard to tell if he will change his mind at some point!"

"You know... there are other people in the downtown. Some Hells Angels run a club called "Brandi's". Used to be a strip joint, now I think it's a whorehouse. They got armed guys outside all the time, Harleys, the whole deal."

"They say you can get anything there. It's because, well, people say he likes 'am young. So he goes there to get his rocks off when they got someone in because he doesn't want to mess around with "his people". Guess that would be too much for people."


Josh looked disgusted and grossed out by this admission.

"So, ah, he meets with the Angels there, at Brandi's. I guess."

Kelsey remembered the club, it was in the upper stories of a well-built office block downtown, at the NW corner of Dunsmuir and Hornby. Above the Keg Ceasar's steak house restaurant, it had a private elevator from the street and an elaborate security system. Before the war it was rumoured that the HA's owned it, now it was pretty certain.

"So far, there isn't any kind of cooperation with outside groups against UBC. Also against West Van. Things like that, Cyrus goes it alone. Helps build our rep, he says."

"Morale? Like, how happy are people? People are afraid, but Cyrus takes good care of people and things are better in many ways than outside. No disease or starvation. Some people are a little afraid, yeah, but things aren't bad enough to make people want to leave. In fact, as he goes along, wins fights and does more stuff and gets away with it, people are starting to think maybe he's right, that we don't need anyone to come in and run our lives."


As for intelligence network, Cyrus had a few sympathisers in the Undergrounders that he trades with.

"They give him information, sometimes they come to the park to tip him off or tell him when he's in the downtown, which is, like, every week. Also, the HAs give him info when he visits them, too. I don't know if he as a radio or something."





a) Where are the Hell Angels located? Have they any prisoners with them?
b) What are the shortcomings being experienced by the HA in their violent campaign?
c) What is the HA operational and political planning?
d) What are the HA numbers, organisation, deployments, training, weapons and communications means?
e) How are the relations with the undergrounders and other communities?
f) What is the magnitude of involvement of the HA against other communities including plans against UBC?
g) What is the HA morale like? How are the conditions in their bases?
h) What are the HA's intelligence network details and priorities for operations against other citizens?


"I think the HAs are located in the club downtown, and the clubhouses out Coquitlam. Maybe a couple in Surrey, too, and down in White Rock (which was also technically Surrey). They run the "free market" on Annacis Island, you can get anything there you want, anything. People say they got connections to the US Army down in Washington."

"So far they're not violent towards the Undergrounders or the Stickmen. I hear they pretty much could take what they want throughout the rest of the city, but they usually don't unless you piss them off. There's people in New West, cops and such, that keep them out. They're pissed about that."

"I don't know what the Angels want, really. They don't like cops, I think they want to take over? Lots of people say they feel safer with them, they're better than nothing. They took care of business after the government left. People commit crimes or cause trouble, they form a posse and go after them."


An outright military or political takeover didn't sound too likely for an organisation that sought to exist on the outskirts of society, although a callow 19 year-old might not know this. It was more likely they would seek to influence local politicians in some manner from the shadows, if it were. This might happen if they helped influence an election, or disrupt the introduction of a fragile civil order in order to force some kind of compromise favourable to their interests.

"There's about 20-30 downtown to run the club. I seen them carrying shotguns, M16s, even machine-guns on the building. A Brinks truck is parked there."

"Same at the free market, at least 30 there, heavily armed. They also got a couple more Brinks trucks parked there, some technicals with machineguns on them too."

"I ain't been to their other clubhouses but I seen maybe a couple hundred bikers or more, one time on a "ride". They are all strapped on a rise, plus they had a couple vans and technicals along as support behind."


Lee would explain later that OMGs were organised into "chapters" of 5-30 members or more, each with a clubhouse. Interested prospective members were "hang-arounds", actual recruits were "prospects" and were allowed to wear colours on a probationary basis and their first tatoos. These formed the bulk of the support personnel. Full members were "Full Patch" and allowed to wear the gang's full colours and get even more elaborate tatoos. Club officers like Sergeant-at-Arms, President and Treasurer/Quartermaster were all elected and ran the club as a triumvirate. They held weekly meetings called "Church", and the local chapter leaders met at a "Council" with probably an elected "Director" for the city or region.

"The Undergrounders trade with the survivalists on Deadman's Island, Cyrus and the Stickmen, and the other people living in Vancouver. The Undergrounders also go to trade at the Free Market and in New Westminster."





a) Where are the Hell Angels located? Have they any prisoners with them?
b) What are the shortcomings being experienced by the HA in their violent campaign?
c) What is the HA operational and political planning?
d) What are the HA numbers, organisation, deployments, training, weapons and communications means?
e) How are the relations with the undergrounders and other communities?
f) What is the magnitude of involvement of the HA against other communities including plans against UBC?
g) What is the HA morale like? How are the conditions in their bases?
h) What are the HA's intelligence network details and priorities for operations against other citizens?


"I think the HAs are located in the club downtown, and the clubhouses out Coquitlam. Maybe a couple in Surrey, too, and down in White Rock (which was also technically Surrey). They run the "free market" on Annacis Island, you can get anything there you want, anything. People say they got connections to the US Army down in Washington."

"So far they're not violent towards the Undergrounders or the Stickmen. I hear they pretty much could take what they want throughout the rest of the city, but they usually don't unless you piss them off. There's people in New West, cops and such, that keep them out. They're pissed about that."

"I don't know what the Angels want, really. They don't like cops, I think they want to take over? Lots of people say they feel safer with them, they're better than nothing. They took care of business after the government left. People commit crimes or cause trouble, they form a posse and go after them."


An outright military or political takeover didn't sound too likely for an organisation that sought to exist on the outskirts of society, although a callow 19 year-old might not know this. It was more likely they would seek to influence local politicians in some manner from the shadows, if it were. This might happen if they helped influence an election, or disrupt the introduction of a fragile civil order in order to force some kind of compromise favourable to their interests.

"There's about 20-30 downtown to run the club. I seen them carrying shotguns, M16s, even machine-guns on the building. A Brinks truck is parked there."

"Same at the free market, at least 30 there, heavily armed. They also got a couple more Brinks trucks parked there, some technicals with machineguns on them too."

"I ain't been to their other clubhouses but I seen maybe a couple hundred bikers or more, one time on a "ride". They are all strapped on a rise, plus they had a couple vans and technicals along as support behind."


Lee would explain later that OMGs were organised into "chapters" of 5-30 members or more, each with a clubhouse. Interested prospective members were "hang-arounds", actual recruits were "prospects" and were allowed to wear colours on a probationary basis and their first tatoos. These formed the bulk of the support personnel. Full members were "Full Patch" and allowed to wear the gang's full colours and get even more elaborate tatoos. Club officers like Sergeant-at-Arms, President and Treasurer/Quartermaster were all elected and ran the club as a triumvirate. They held weekly meetings called "Church", and the local chapter leaders met at a "Council" with probably an elected "Director" for the city or region.

"The Undergrounders trade with the survivalists on Deadman's Island, Cyrus and the Stickmen, and the other people living in Vancouver. The Undergrounders also go to trade at the Free Market and in New Westminster."
helbent4
 GM, 475 posts
 aka Tony
Tue 15 Jul 2008
at 13:49
Re: Interrogation Information (Pt. 2)
The numbers of what sounded to be full-patch HAs in Vancouver was if anything larger than before the war. That was assuming that all or most of the riders Josh said he saw were actual full-patch members and not "hang-arounds" with ride-along privileges.

To quickly increase their numbers, Motorcycle gangs frequently merged, or in the case of the HAs, absorbed smaller independent or affiliated gangs en masse in a process called "patching over". In fact, BC's first chapter of the HAMC was a small but vicious local gang known as the "Satan's Angels". The HA's decided it was less effort to co-opt an existing gang than establish their own, and so in the early 80's they patched over the smaller gang, even making an exception to their unwritten "no blacks or asians" policy by allowing a single black Angel into their ranks, although it was made clear he was dead meat if he stepped foot south of the border.

"I don't think the Hells have really fought anyone, like in a stand-up fight. I heard they got thrown outta New West, but it wasn't a gunfight or nothing. The cops just told 'em to leave and not come back, and they did. Lots of other places around. That's not to say that people that cross them don't, you know, disappear or wind up dead. Sometimes bombs go off, car-bombs. Rockets as well, I guess. "Takin' care of business" is what they call it.

It was established that he was referring to assassination-type attacks. If someone ripped off the Angels or defied them, their houses tended to get blown up or shot up by machinguns, their vehicles taken out with LAW rockets, trip over land mines or geta facefull from a Claymore mine. And so on. The hits weren't too discriminating and it was common for friends and even family (women and children) to die in the crossfire, or sometimes be targeted for death as well.

"Morale? I dunno. I guess they live pretty well, they're pretty rich. The lower guys don't seem to get outta line much, and when they do the Chapter's Sergeant-at-Arms straightens them out, smooths things over. Some girls who were with the Undergrounders who turn tricks say they party with the Angels sometimes. They say they pay well, their club houses got everything you want. Food, liquor, lots of drugs, lots of guns."

He looked troubled.

"You know, the Angels also have a place out in Surry where they like to party. They call it the "Pigpen". It's, like, a farm, got barns, I guess. Sometimes... they say sometimes the girls don't come back from the Pigpen."

"I got no idea how their intelligence works. They got lots of supporters. Not just other bikers, but people that deal for them, work with them. They run hookers, the clubs around town that are still open are under their protection. I guess they want to make money? I don't really know what their plans are for citizens."

This message was last edited by the GM at 13:50, Tue 15 July 2008.