Book of Thoughts: OOC Thread.   Posted by J, Radio Broadcaster.Group: 0
J, Radio Broadcaster
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Wed 1 Aug 2018
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Absolutely!

Alright, I need to go through the process of reading this stuff, I'll post here when I've completed my review. I'll likely be retconning things as well, so keep an eye out in the patch thread.

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Thu 2 Aug 2018
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Alright, I'll send you the link to the D&D game through your hotmail email address. It probably won't be soon, but you can at least look it over. I'll keep an eye out for your updates here.
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Sun 7 Oct 2018
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I've had to read this material piecemeal, and I have to say, some of it is really good.

I found some of my notes from 2008ish, so that should help. I'm still reading, some of the threads with Sarah Brooks are f'ing long as hell!
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Wed 10 Oct 2018
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Cool, I'm glad you found some of your notes! Yeah, we generated a ton of text in this game, so it's not surprising that it would take a while to review it all. Thanks for the update!
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Sat 16 Mar 2019
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Looking for some feedback for thread "Behind the Curtain".

Wanted to change up the format, but keep important events at the fore. I also wanted to make it easier and fun to read.

Let me know if it's working so far, or if I should keep notes more formal.


Coming back and reading the thread I'm not happy with how it is turning out after sleeping on it. I think I'll stick to bullet points instead.

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Sat 16 Mar 2019
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Posted the Codex of Shichiroji. I'm not sure how much detail to put into this, honestly. I could have gone MORE in depth but I thought crucial plot points and character introductions should at least be handled.

Part of me wants to put more, but I'm not sure if you guys need a play-by-play of every conversation. At that point I'd almost have to ask you to just re-read the threads.

And, by-the-by, do think that's the best way to do it. I know sitting down and reading them can be time consuming.
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Mon 18 Mar 2019
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I really need some feedback on the Shichiroji thread. Is it helpful? Enough to jog the memory? Or is a play-by-play more apt?
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Wed 20 Mar 2019
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The Shichiroji thread seemed to sum it up pretty well. Though there was some important stuff that happened in the shadowlands too as I recall. Is Behind the Curtain a hidden thread?
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Thu 21 Mar 2019
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The thread is incomplete, and I wanted to see how it was shaping up before I invested further. The Behind the Curtain thread was deleted permanently. It was proving extremely hard to read, but it wasn't dumped entirely.

The problem was that the characters were actually engaging in dialogue with each other "behind the curtain", but the direction of the conversation kept changing. Having multiple characters talking distracted from what was important: plain narration.

I'm also going to do some threads for Susan's storyline and her side stories so everyone is caught up with the story as a whole.
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Sat 23 Mar 2019
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Alright, sounds good to me!
J, Radio Broadcaster
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Sat 23 Mar 2019
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Last post was rough, I'd started combing through some of the old material in the Eroom Nasus fo Srepsihw thread and, I'd like to tell my 4-5 year ago self... FECK YOU.

Seriously, I was about to text both of you and just cancel the game. I was grossly unhappy with how Shi and Xou were implemented, and the tale read very awkwardly. I want to award Susan for putting up with, what I now read, as a terrible shoe-horn to get Shichroji more intimately involved.

What I would have probably done is chop out Shi and Xou and maybe even Susanowa. I remember feeling like I needed to struggle to get a big bad into the game, or some target for Shichiroji to assail but I'm finding now I created a lot of problems and a couple of thematic overlaps that don't resonate.

Part of me almost wants to redo this entire game, but there are too many gems in the posting and I remember taking hours to research some of the smallest things. What I probably would change is the fact that Shichiroji IS A MAN OUT OF HIS ELEMENT and leave it at that. I don't need to add Eastern enemies and plot when his "build" is a guy disconnected from his home and let him establish relationships with Westerners organically.

I'd have left Lucy to her own devices, or let Shi literally be just another mage without his needed involvement in the destruction of Lucy's family and ultimate destruction of the Corinthians I'll go over in Kindred's Kine.

Have I mentioned I'm in love with that thread? Seriously, give it another read. I could tell I had a lot of notes written for the Giovanni reveal and the requisite families. Message 98 is a MUST READ.

So, what I did was kind of step away a bit and kind of collect myself a little for Shichiroji's material. One of the things that I had no idea about was the Ainu people, when I was developing his backstory, and I'm going to incorporate it into his bloodline. It turns out that a lot of Japanese have no idea they're Ainu, since so many have been folded into greater Japanese society.

It's frustrating, sometimes, but please bear with me. One of the things I made difficult for myself was incorporating Mage, Vamp, Wraith, AND Demon into one huge freakin' game. Then there's some cringe material. The relationship with Susan and Gary was really cringy sometimes, and I thought it could have read better.

I'm kind of trapped with old, crappy material and brilliant pieces of writing. I'm also struggling with increased ADD, to the point it's impacting my work performance. Hopefully I can start medicating within the next year and get my focus up.

And, again, I highly recommend reading the threads yourself when you can. I try to read them during break at work to refamiliarize, but I'll keep the important points in these threads. Cheers~
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Sat 30 Mar 2019
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Bear with me, it's been a bad week. I've taken to decompressing on WoW, but I'll spare any details.

Let me know if the Codex of Shichiroji is sufficient thus far. I'm trying to get a better handle on the radio voice in the text. Hope it makes it fun to read!
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Sun 31 Mar 2019
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Codex of Maeda Shichiroji is complete!

Moving onto Susan Moore!
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Fri 5 Apr 2019
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Got a new phone that should make it easier to post during breaks!
Susan
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Sat 6 Apr 2019
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Thanks for the summaries!
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Sat 6 Apr 2019
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Can you and Becky send me a text at some point? I had to buy a new phone and I can't see to import my contacts.

Also, let her know that she can pick up where we left off last in the thread. I'd have texted her myself but, well, see above! If both of you would like to warm up in a fresh thread, maybe tangentially related to the story I'd be willing.

Also, what do you think about the changes I outlined in Susan's Archive? Do they make a bit more sense?
Susan
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Thu 11 Apr 2019
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I sent you a text the other day. I forgot to ask Becky to do the same, but I'll try to remember tonight. I think I'll pass on the warm-up thread, unless Becky wants to try it.

Retcons are hard to manage, since they can make some established choices/dialogue confusing or inconsistent. I know you identified the most obvious inconsistencies, but there could be others. The original plot made enough sense, but if this new take on it fits your vision better, then I'll go along with it. After all, both versions happened in separate alternate realities anyway...
Susan
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Tue 16 Apr 2019
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I see that you posted more in the Archives of Susan Moore. There were definitely some tidbits in there that were not revealed in the original posts!

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Tue 16 Apr 2019
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There is more to come! I am laying some plot elements bare. The game has been ongoing for a decade, I think it's time to put some of them to rest.

Since I had to figure out some of the threads myself by perusing my own game, I opted to codify some of the background lore. Reading Susan's thread is something that is still ongoing as I have several scenes that flip back-and-forth.

Muddying things up are nonsensical flashbacks that I question the use of.

In this regard, cutting to the point seemed most prudent. Obviously most of it is meta knowledge Susan won't know.
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Fri 19 Apr 2019
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I'm compiling some things. I was going to post by there's a couple of years worth of materials that I have to cross reference.

I really wish I transferred a lot of this to notepad, but reading it is jogging some memories so it's not too bad.

I just wanted to let you know that the next post set is going to be COLOSSAL. But it'll be more than rehashing old materials, like I mentioned earlier I'm dusting off old plot mysteries that won't get playtime in the coming years (let's just be honest here) as the game winds down to finality.

I'm already altering some materials for Shichiroji. Xou has already been altered to demonstrate this, and I'm doing some research on indigenous Japanese like the Ainu. I'm trying not to retcon anything atm, so far so good. This game probably won't actually be a "Demon" game in all truth. It's far more a Mage/Vamp game so far. Most of the "Demon" stuff will be limited to Susan and Sarah for the most part.

I'd like to point out that the Envoy, The Vizier, and the Serpent does have relevant material. It's clear that, when I started it, I had a more grandiose plan in mind. But post 195 is actually relevant to the current game.

It was a SUPER MINOR scene but it was actually the crux for the entire game, even with its scope diminished.

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Susan
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Tue 7 May 2019
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Yeah, I remember wondering when the other shoe would drop with that scene from The Envoy, The Vizier, and the Serpent, but it never seemed to come back into play. I'm guessing that it relates to Gog/Magog. Hopefully, Shichiroji will post soon-ish.
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Wed 8 May 2019
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I'm going to get back to working on Susan's notes in the meantime.
Susan
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Tue 16 Jul 2019
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Happy early birthday, J! I hope you have a great one!
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Wed 17 Jul 2019
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Thanks! And in the spirit of Hobbit-type birthday gifts, I finally uploaded the rest of Susan's truncated history!
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Mon 22 Jul 2019
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Wow, that's a lot of material! Thanks for the update!