Here we go.

Are some people away or are they MIA?

lurking players maybe?

I have been really busy IRL...getting prepared to go to Warrior Leadership Course in Hawaii, as well as helping to integrate new Soldiers into the unit.

I am here. I was trying not to nudge the elbows of the folks outside the Bradley to much. Trying to share the posting love and let them have their fair share in the spotlight. :)

I'm hoping its how you guys say... people just busy or letting the others have some spotlight. I know Ben (Legbreaker) is changing jobs, and Kurt might be away quite a bit due to his upcoming deployment.

A couple people in the past have let me know about being away, and thank you. So just a reminder, a quick note eliminates confusion and keeps the pace of the game flowing.

I know I'm pretty paranoid and worry when things get quiet. So feedback is always appreciated - more combat, less combat, etc.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:20, Thu 30 Oct 2008.

Ok - I pushed the game a little further. I didn't think you'd want to stop at any of the countless villages and towns so I kept you going. There are always wrecks or some sort too but I don't figure you'd want to stop at any either (unless it looked like their was a chance of salvaging useful parts).

In this case though - a partially hidden (intact?) Humvee. I thought would be an exception, but you needn't inspect further if you don't want.
This message was last edited by the GM at 15:26, Thu 30 Oct 2008.

More than just changing jobs as it turns out. Building an entirely new company division virtually singlehandedly.
I'm a property manager - the person who is usually seen as a landlords representative, collecting rents, inspecting properties and generally being a pain in the rear end (at least as far as tenants think).

HOWEVER, I'm a commercial property manager, a specialist role dealing with shops, warehouses, factories, offices and so on. Bucketloads more paperwork involved and often dealing with national and international companies. This new position requires me to create a commercial branch from scratch covering an area of approximately 30,000 square kilometres. The only good part about it is most of my work will be concentrated in just a couple of population centres and the main commercial agency in the area (which I used to work for) is about to self destruct.

I'll i'm hearing are excuses!!!  :-)

pwned.

Oskar (and Kurt if you can) please post how you go about investigating the Hummer and building.

Skimming over the PC sheets, it looks like only Handley is capable of any Polish.

In reply to Fusilier (msg #12):

Krejcik is near fluent but I dont know he's in any position where they would send him off to speak with anyone..

Good to see you back Kurt.

All those skill points in Observation too.  Should've put them into Negotiating.  :p

...

And here I was about to ask what it was going to take to beat a man to the punch when he's got a prepared weapon pointed at you.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:29, Sun 02 Nov 2008.

Just so you know

due to some major rebuilding to the ground floor of my house my time online might be a bit limited this week. The family is staying in my parents house so I can make good time on the rebuilding and I still don't know if I can get the internet going at my parents place.

Bottom line, I might have some time during lunch breaks but that's it for the next week.

Just so you know

due to some major rebuilding to the ground floor of my house my time online might be a bit limited this week. The family is staying in my parents house so I can make good time on the rebuilding and I still don't know if I can get the internet going at my parents place.

Bottom line, I might have some time during lunch breaks but that's it for the next week.

Ok, thanks for letting us know.

So very tempted to give the man a wink and simply say "slave".

:P

In reply to Ben Jagelis (msg #19):

lol

Thanks to Legreaker (Ben), we've got the comms thread updated for callsigns. Some minor changes so please take a quick look. Thanks.

My wife is out of town for the next few days which means I'll be too busy chasing my kids around to post anything worthwhile. I hope to be back in the loop on Saturday.

Fusilier, please feel free to NPC Varis as needed. Just don't make him do anything too crazy, okay?

; )

No problem.

Would it be worthwhile to ask if the locals would react hostile to us hanging out in there neighborhood for a couple or hours? He seems friendly, but if the towns are strongly pro-government we may not be very welcome to set up camp. Might be good to know ahead of time?

Good idea Handley, to post the intel/rumors.

We need more than a couple of hours....
More like a week or two to distill fuel.

Yeah, I know what you mean. I just meant about the first half of JJs plan - to lie up for a couple hours and then cross the next river. Then - once across lie up to distill which would take a long time (unless we can trade for it - or raid/ambush something for it... Mad Max style).
This message was last edited by the player at 07:50, Wed 05 Nov 2008.

Ah, yes, I'd forgotten that part of the plan.
What did we manage to strip from the Hind in the 5-10 minutes (or whatever it was) we were there? I'm certain there's no way we'd leave any fuel and whatever we couldn't take with us would no be soaking into the ground.
I think ammo was the other priority wasn't it? Rockets, and either 12.7mm or small (20-30mm) autocannon rounds?

In reply to Ben Jagelis (msg #27):

Didn't have an autocannon. 12.7mm. Their were a lot of toys in it but it doesn't matter. You missed taking the mummified co-pilot. Would have made a great hood ornament for the M2.

Plead to the mighty GM for toys.

btw since Jan's hands are tied I'm assuming someone would have taken the frag grenade, skorpion and CZ-75 pistol he had on his person...

In reply to Jan Krejcik (msg #28):

I already have a list of what was taken. I just need to get it posted. I'll try in a couple hours after sifting through it.

In reply to Kurt Weiss (msg #585):

Usually in American films when the hero says something like this he gets blown up.. (run Oskar :P )

Like in that film Deep Blue Sea? Where Samuel L. Jackson gives his "lets stick together" speech? Right after = Shark bait.

I laughed at him calling Cutter 'High Speed', then telling them all to listen the hell up to what he had to say.

Up the Irons!
What song by the way?

If it were earlier in the war, I'd say "Invaders" but in the current situation "Run to the hills" is probably more apt....

Captured/looted goods from the Hind

CZ 75 pistol + 2 clips + Holster (Jan's personal)
Skorpion + 2 clips (Jan's personal)

2 x AKSU (1 x 30 round mag each)
1 x Medical Kit
1 x Small Ground to Air Radio
2 x Nightvision Goggles (from Pilot + Co-Pilot Helmets)
1 x Flare Gun (3 R/G/B flares)
1 x Heavy Winter Parka
11 x MRE (post-war Soviet style)
Detailed maps of Danzig (Gdansk) area in Northern Poland + Bohemia
1 x small case of rare wine
2 x case of old scotch (some bottles missing...)
1 x carton of Sparta cigarettes
Several jerry cans of aviation fuel

(Not yet added to the unit's stores list)

You're all a bunch of pirates.

Avast Ye Hartes!, Inc. When it absolutly has to be plundered, call us.

What can we say, we like booty.

Teehee.

More than anyone will ever know....   :D


Not the best of ideas so I believe. If on soft ground, the vehicle may sink in, trapping the poor unfortunately beneath a dozen or more tonnes of armour, or worse, crushing them completely.

Most APC crews I've come across carry either collapsable stretchers or hammocks which they erect inside the pasenger compartment. Much safer than being under the machine (usually), out of any drafts and with the cargo hatch closed, rainproof too!
This message was last edited by the player at 00:26, Sat 08 Nov 2008.

I always slept on the camo net atop the 577 when I was the RTO for the section FDC. If the netting was deployed, then I'd use something to prop up the swim vane and use it as a pallet.

JJ, just a quick question. Who is in Team A and who is in Team B?

The GM has kindly suggested:

1st Shift - On from 1200-1500 (Security, PoW debrief, Medical help, cooks food)
JJM, Oskar, Handley, Kelly

2nd Shift - On from 1500-1800
Ben, Gideon, Marc, Boswell

3rd Shift - On from 1800-2100
Meyer, Varis, Hicks

Driver/Scout shift - sleep right to 2000hrs. (eat?)
Jordan Stone Fox Weiss

I'mgoing to alter my post to reflect this.

My character would approve of this schedule completely (provided he lives through the next few minutes...

No one asked you, furriner.

Also, please let us know if you find anything neat-o in the house.  :)
This message was last edited by the player at 00:38, Sun 09 Nov 2008.

The other one. The one Varis wants to punch out. Jordan.

re: house. found things. but they're far from neat-o...

It puts the lotion on its skin or it gets the hose again.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDgS6qLsVM4

You rotten bastard.  :p

Hey, Jan's still officially a prisoner.  Maybe someone has bound him up and hidden him away.  Handley just wants to know who has "cached the Czech."

In reply to Tom Handley (msg #50):

I think when the war is over and those who are alive, go home to the states, none of you should work for a prison.

:P

Maybe we just believe in the transforming power of rehabilitation.

Not the rehabilitating power of transformation?

Sure, we have a big tent.  We'll take that too.

whatever. your POW is AWOL :P

It is my duty as the unit medic to inform you that jumping out of a second story window, especially with one's hands bound, is likely to end in at least one broken limb....and I don't like to waste my morph, it has better uses.

Unarmed, bound and probably injured from the fall. What danger could he possibly be and why in hell would we want to take a prisoner with us anyway?

Much better to just shoot him in the back of the head and be done with it.

;)

ah the rational one! :P

I think we should name the AFVs. It's a pretty common practice among armor crews, especially in wartime.

I nominate the vehicle crews for this honor.

Just don't call the M113 "Gavin."  :-D

M113=Liberty Belle

Or there'll be dead bodies....

The vehicle callsigns are 1-0 for the Bradley, 2-0 for the M113 and 3-0 for the motorcycle. Provided we end up with the humvee, it will be 4-0.

Note that naming vehicles is not a universal practise. Many armies frown upon any markings beyond the bare essentials to limit the possible intelligence value to the enemy. I strongly agree with this although don't have a problem with nicknames (provided it's not "gavin" and they're not visible on the exterior of the vehicle).

Anyone please correct me if I am wrong...

Inside (group's quarters)
Meyer - Hicks - Handley

Inside (living room)
Boswell - Kelly

Inside (2nd floor hallway)
Varis - Jan

Outside
Stone - Marc - JJM - Oskar - Jordan - Kurt (coming)

Sentry?
Fox - Ben - Gideon

Sentry is good. I was intending to post something in response to Cutter, but struggling to find time at the moment.

This encounter is hardcore. WHO will get killed? Will Jan become a hero and steal the girl? Will Varis blow a hole in Jan's head (my vote)? Will Cutter and his men kill a PC or NPC or more in the group? Will both groups talk it out? Or will the PCs group blow those savages to hell and back?

Tune in tomorrow...

(i like this encounter. its unique, feels a bit real in a rough way. Im new to the campaign but as much as I love taking on T-72s and M1A1s with LAWs and such, this is def a neat flavor)

I concur. Nice work, Fusilier.

EDIT: I'm good on the positions of the various groups.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:50, Thu 13 Nov 2008.

I'm in favour of climbing into the Bradley gunners seat and hosing the entire 1st floor of the building with 25mm.
Whoever survives is obviously (strike out as approriate) "in the right"/"innocent of all charges"/"a witch and must be burnt at the stake"....

;)

You know Ben, I wouldn't say this for many leg officers, but you may want to consider a MOS change. I suspect you posses the delicate sense of subtlety needed for a good Armor officer.

He's airborne infantry and assault pioneer (combat engineer) trained. If it goes bang, it's good. If it goes BOOM, it's better!  :P

Agree 100%. This is really cool. I like the tension, atmosphere, and the element of lies and supposed treachery. Good how not too much is given away, that we are still in the dark. We have our presumptions, but nothing for sure. Nice work.
This message was last edited by the player at 02:11, Thu 13 Nov 2008.

Yup. Huah!

Thanks fellas. Criticism always appreciated too.

For clarification, here is the updated placements...

Inside (living room)
Boswell - Kelly - Oskar

Inside (2nd floor hallway)
Varis - Jan

Outside
Stone - Marc - JJM - Jordan - Meyer - Hicks - Handley - Kurt

Sentry
Fox - Ben - Gideon

Inside (room at opposite end of estate)
All of Cutter's men
This message was last edited by the GM at 02:56, Thu 13 Nov 2008.

Please can we have a rough-sketch layout of the place?

In reply to Oskar Friedmann (msg #73):

if you bastards hadn't shot down the Hind... but Nooooooooooooo

No problem. I just put it up in the Maps thread too.

Key points...

Cutter and Co. are in the large left room - "Dining / Meeting Room"

Kelly, Oskar, Boswell, & patient are in the large right room - "Living Room"

The bottom doors to each of these rooms are visible from each other across the foyer.

At the top of the staircase on the 2nd floor it is an open terrace. Along where is says "Kitchen and Toilet"on the map - these areas are open to the Foyer below (and the souther doors to the large rooms).

A mess of furniture is strewn about in some of the rooms, creating obstacles to sight, movement and possible to some fire. The map is bare, but the rooms have contents. The Foyer is one of the only rooms without any real large objects.

The rear "Sitting Room / Office has a back door to the garden and property outside.

The "Empty Room" next to the toilet is where Meyer and Hicks were sleeping.

Anything else just ask.


This message was last edited by the GM at 15:39, Thu 13 Nov 2008.

Oskar would've closed and locked the door from the Foyer to the Empty Room.  If he had enough time he would've arranged furniture such that it blocked easy access from the Sitting Room hallway to the Living Room.

Rather than on the staircase he'll be squatting on the floor near the back wall of the Living Room with line-of-sight to the Dining Room door and hopefully close to but out of sight of a window.

Just to clarify for myself, you mean line of sight through the north or south door? Assuming north is the top of the map.

RIP Stone, you crazy bugger. :)

In case this gets hot, maybe it would be good to have worked out a order for the assault teams to work with.

For mine, I would think Handley should be the tail end (not sure if his injury is penalizing any of his actions). Kurt probably has higher initiative than Meyer so should probably go first.

In case anyone was wondering. I've been in contact with Fox (Eagle Eye). He is still busy finishing up working on his house. But he's still committed to the game though - and not MIA or anything.

I know he's busy with the Army, but I also sent a PM to bighauser who plays Hicks.

***Please begin posting combat tags with your posts. Doesn't mean your move on Cutter is going to end up in a firefight - it'll just help me and the players keep track of where everyone is.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:31, Thu 13 Nov 2008.

LOS on the northern door.

Forgive me, but how freakin' big is this house and how are we not all bumping into each other?  Are the naughty Americans on ground floor or upstairs?  If they are still upstairs, which I thought a couple of them were, how are the people up there not bumping into each other?

I'm sorry, but I'm not really getting a good mental image of the situation.  I picture a fairly large house, but with the amount of traffic, I just can't imagine us not stumbling on each other.

And we are missing Varis and the Czech...

I can see this is going to be a good AAR with lots of Command and Control improvements.

House is apparently pretty large.  Varis, Jan and the woman are the only people upstairs.

Oskar, Kelly and Boswell are the only people in the Living Room.  Cutter and his four(?) men are in the Dining Room.  All others are outside the house or just beginning to move in.

Ha!  When did that house schematic show up?

I swear it wasn't there a few minutes ago.  I must be getting old.

Had to alter my post a touch.  I realized that Oskar was in the room with Kelly and Boswell and Weiss knows that Oskar should be on top of just about anything going on.

Oskar can still stick your tongue out at Weiss if you like.  He didn't ignore you on purpose, though.  In fact, with you in the room, his attention was almost solely on you.  You are one handsome man.  ;)

"Man spotted"



Edited IC post.
This message was last edited by the player at 21:05, Thu 13 Nov 2008.

"Man spotted"???

How about "Turn your head to the side and cough."

Quite big. The amount of actual rooms are limited, but they're large. The second floor has only Varis, Jan, and a female.

my first time taking a risk in a game, gotta happen some time i guess.  Holding my breath while i see where this goes :-)

I didnt mean for this to end up happening.  I had my PC sleeping outside and i feel like this has kinda fell into my lap.  But, i'll run with it.

It's actually the signal for 'dog', but that was the joke.  :)

I did a pretty poor job selling it though.  I should have captioned it, "Man's man spotted".

Jan - I am not sure what you mean with your last IG post.

Jan and Varis are on the top floor and Cutter is on the ground level inside of the dining room. The only place you can see him is at either doorway of the dining room, or outside on the grass looking in through the windows. At the top of the stairway area you could look down but you'd only be able to see the southern dining room door and not inside. Basically you are right above him with the floor/ceiling between you. I hope I make sense here.

The map only shows the ground floor - not the 2nd.

Re: Varis & climbing - it would be quite difficult, much more so with webbing and body armor. But still hard to pull through. The outside offers little to grip onto and the fall would be severe. Looking at the picture you can see that in the center is a terrace - that however might be of some use or not. But I would say the windows are a no go unless you have spiderman level agility and climbing skills.
This message was last edited by the GM at 08:53, Fri 14 Nov 2008.

Im retarded. I thought they were outside. Post FIXED

Looking at the schematic, both assault teams will be in visual contact before entering the room as long as we leave the intervening door open. Is that correct, or do we need a go signal?

The suspense is killing me....

It may yet just out-and-out kill Stone.

I sense some blue on blue coming on. Either that or an ol' fashioned Mexican standoff...

Via the kitchen yes - there is visibility. Not in the long hallway past the study. Since no 'go' signal was mentioned, I'll assume the northern team will change to the kitchen for simultaneous entry. It won't really matter for the end result.

Post will be up in about 2 hours. Meant to do it last night, but I fell asleep.

Whoops. The post wasn't actually finished. I meant to preview it - but clicked on post by accident. I'll make a few rolls and narrate the action in a little bit.

I'll follow Kurt and JJ's lead and slip in a post too before the turn narrative is done up. Love the Turrino bit at the end.
This message was last edited by the player at 09:10, Sat 15 Nov 2008.

That is just wrong. I know he's handsome and has obscenly high charisma but come on.

;)

He was only trying to help!

; )

Filthy foreign devils with your filth foreign ways! :)

At least they're not French...

;)

[11 blank lines suppressed]

...not that there is anything wrong with that.

Ok, fellas - what do you all think about jumping forward to 2000 hours or so. With the situation stabilized would you want to get back to your original plan of sleep, maintenance, and eating? We'd throw in interrogation of Cutter & Co, Jan, and the girl too.

If everyone is in agreement, just make you next post indicate if there is anything specific your PC will be doing or whatever.

Or likewise, if you want to play it out further, thats fine with me too. You guys make the call.

Phew, glad thats over eh?

Who dares wins :-)  As i said, first time for my PC in any game doing anything of significance.  Dont worry, i dont plan to make a habit of it :-)

Great picture of cutter Fuse.  I hate him so much just from that picture.  And i guess i hope we now can find out whats really been going on here.

I'm okay with a skip of time.  Weiss is just hoping for vindication in killing a fellow American outright, which fortunately looks almost assured.

His next biggest concern beyond that is making sure we have accountability of everyone, to include prisoners, and creating a system that won't allow the funky situation with Krejcik happen again.

And, of course, cleaning up of the situation upstairs part of which includes the handling of the perpetrators.

I agree here, no more wandering prisoners, I know there's been leeway with Jan because he's a PC, but it needs to stop now.

Although prisoner security is important, maybe you PCs might consider that Jan didn't try to escape or purposely cause trouble. He's a PC and will eventually be integrated into the team... what just happened might be good to help get that started.



I wouldn't have made Kurt take an opportunity shot against anyone unless it was justified. Washington was bringing his weapon to bear on JJ and his men. It was necessary to save lives.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:03, Sun 16 Nov 2008.

I'm cool with that.

No, I understand that he needed to take the shot.  It was the actual confrontation itself that was worrisome to him.  As in, "Did we really need to go crashing in on them with guns up in the first place."

As a player, I knew some stuff that Weiss didn't, so I was trying to play that out.

same here.

We do need to have a talk with Jan soon though, first we need to integrate him into the unit and we need to see about his INTEL. That can be done at 20:00 though.

Arguably, Jan's actions have put him in a poor light in Weiss's eyes.  He gets a cookie for being concerned about the girl, but he should get a spanking for wandering off on his own when his status within the unit is questionable at best.

Not so good for trying to integrate himself with us.  It's not like he is going to earn a bullet for his actions or anything, but a fairly tight leash seems appropriate in Weiss' mind.

The unit needs a spanking for letting him wander off on his own, too.  So spanks all around.  For goodness sakes, we hadn't even cleared to give him a weapon and I thought his hands were bound.

I'm fine with skipping forward.  By 2000 hours, Handley will have made supper, finishing off the domestic food (including the chickens).  Will you be adding the pots and pans to our equipment list?

All in all I am kind of torn about Jan.

OOC his actions have been somewhat ammusing to watch. I also tend to try and give PC's a little bit of a break when trying to integrate them into the group, it's hard enough under the best situations and with the speed involved in PbP it can take an incredibly long time.That said, Jan has pushed it to the point where we really don't have many options to keep him around that don't compleatly suspend belief.

IC He is bug fucking insane. The man has continually ignored the armed people around him to make "pelvic thrusts" just to amuse himself. He casually tries to wonder of while his hands are bound and when caught makes demands on what terms he will accept when the situation is obviously going volitile. He is either insane or or so overconfident that he makes the average SEAL or fighter pilot look like the most cautious person it is possible to imagine. In honest truth had it been Marc that caught him rather than Varis I can say that he would have been shot while escaping. Too much trouble for any info we might get from him, we can't trust any info from some one that nuts, certainly to much trouble to keep around.

I hate to say it but I really have trouble seeing how he is going to integrate into the group at this point. I mean does anyone have even slight reason why we should trust him enough to not shoot him or set him free?

Whether you take him into the group is entirely up to you guys. I've played him bugged out for that reason. It would be absurd a bit to just assume a POW into the group. So he's got a bit of flair and by all apperances is either crazy, a rogue, AWOL or all of the above.

If he gets shot IG is all part of the fun in the RP and good conflict for the group.

I think Marc said it spot on. The part about trying to find a middle ground between reality and that of a game. Being a game, I think we should try to keep him.

I mean consider this for newly joining players. Apart from Jan, they've all been Americans. It was brought up a few times about suppressing realism or the suspension of disbelief - just how many Americans are we going to run into in the backwoods of Poland? Someone mentioned we shouldn't be looking for the 8th Division... instead lets just stop and wait for everyone to join us. It wasn't very realistic it seemed.

So. New players go for the other side angle and play a Pact fellow. More "trouble" it seems.

There has to be a bit of leeway I think for any new PCs.

I also believe Jan is crazy but thats not the point.

Much of the problem hasn't been of Jan's making. He's been caught up in a fluid situation where he hasn't had the chance to be integrated. His options were to play on the left field or just make a month's worth of "I sit in the M113 with my hands tied" posts, boring for him.

OK, maybe he's stretched disbelief a little (in a game that already requires us to suspend disbelief), but it's not irrevokable, at least in my opinion. Let's kick some narrative options around and see what fits for us. I'm not suggesting a full on "Bobby in the shower moment", but surely we can work something out?

"Bobby in the shower"? mm, maybe we can retcon all of this as one of Varis' disturbed dreams?

Though Even Varis would be hard put to dream up Jan...

Jan was totally pushing it, even as a PC.  He was doing it on purpose because it entertained his player to do so.  I don't care since his antics are "off-camera" for Oskar, but for those whose verisimilitude has been compromised I suggest a brief chat IC to decide - since those are the ones whose characters are going to have to deal with it as players and characters.  Lynch him or not, their call.

I'm all for letting bygones be bygones and granting Jan full membership. Yes, we will have to suspend disbelief to do so. Up to this point, Jan has cooperated not at all with the other PCs. I can understand why he's been played that way. What fun would it be to sit cuffed in the APC for the last few RT weeks while the other PCs are out having all the fun? On the other hand, Jan's IG behavior makes it almost impossible for any of the other PCs to trust him. Finding the girl whilst trying to escape (again) probably cancel each other out.

Anyway, as a player/reader, I've gotten a kick out of some of Jan's antics. But, my PC has been really frustrated with him and has come pretty close to doing him bodily harm on a couple of occasions.

I do think we can reconcile all of this, though. Let's just play it out IC and see where it goes. It seems like most of us- most importantly Jan's player- are up for it.

I am going to have to disagre a little. It is always a bit of a pain to bring in new people, and he has activly gone out of his way not just to be a little eccentric or grumpy but to make it where we don't have any idea what he is going to do next. Show up in a Hind and act sutprised we shot him down, "Dude, why did you shoot me down? I was just here to help." Go house wondering after being warned we were in no mood for funny, not so bright, when we find him-demand a gun-full born loon. When Varis showed up he was an ass, but he had a back story to explain it, was with someone else to vouch for him, and while acting in character has not deliberatly gone out of his way to make things more difficult-other than that passing gas thing :).
When you come into a game in progress it is a balancing act in my opinion. The existing group should work with you to bring you in, and the person joining should give atleast some reason to join up. As it stands, given the best intel in the world, absolutly saving our lives by keeping us from walking into a setup, he earns not getting shot and released where he can make his way home. Nothing I have seen has shown the character as someone we should keep around other than hogtied, gagged, and chained to the back of a truck. Where is the reason to trust him even a little? Where is the reason to keep dealing with his antics?
I am sure the player is a nice guy, salt of the earth and great dancer, but why should we trust the character as it stands?

I tend to agree with Marc.  There needs to be some significant effort on the new player to mesh with the new party.  Unless, of course, your whole intent in making your character is to test the limits of the party dynamic.  In such a case, you take your chances of not using your brand new character for very long.

You can argue that it is strange that we are finding American's all over the place.  But given the world situation of the game, I don't think it would be all that unusual to bump into various NATO troops as we go.  Perhaps playing a Czech charging in with a Hind and an attitude to match wasn't the best idea if you really wanted to hang with the cool kids.  For all we know, his guns malfunctioned when he was coming in for a strafing run and he is playing it off like we are the jerks for trying to kill him.

Heh just in defense of the logic behind some of his actions (as most of his actions have been victim of circumstance)

If you take a prisoner and don't have someone who is supposed to watch him closely, he may try to escape, get someplace where he can get out of his bonds (a la the House and when he wandered out of the M2 before). Also its a good idea to test the limits and lines of his captors. See who wants to shoot him. See who is curious. See who wants something from him or wants nothing to do with him.

I wont give away any motivation or IC INTEL here but he has some motivation behind all his actions.

I'm not just 'fucking around' as it may seem.

Although he is a bit crazy... (maybe more than a bit)

Then again I am all for balance in the campaign and the LAST thing I'd want to be is to kill Tempo of the game or make it 'not fun' for anyone.

When I came into this I wrote to the GM "I don't mind if my character dies". Doesn't mean I want him too. I like him :) But at the same time, I understand that this is a group of lost, disgruntled, exasperated soldiers who just killed some of their own countrymen so maybe Jan's chances are not so well.

I vote for let it playing out IC. But if you're irked, apologies.

I like his character, even though my character thinks that he's a loon. I vote to let it play out. Maybe when he sees us execute the murdering rapist bastards he'll come around.

Although Ben hasn't had a lot to do with Jan so far, he's all for either releasing him to find his own way or just put a bullet in him. With Jan being an enemy combatant who attempted to do nasty things to the unit (mainly just the M2 I think), why, how can we trust him in our midst?
It may be simpler, and certainly more believable, if Jan goes his own way (living or not) and the player takes on one of the NPCs (Jordan, Gideon, Boswell or the very wounded Anderson).

1)  i'm all for moving the game along.  We can get a summary of searching the house and finding out what cutters been up to from interogation and move allong.

2)  if we're moving the game along, we could speeden up what to do re Jan.  While we are searching the house etc we can "question" jan and find out more about what he's about.  Jan or Fusilier could post our findings or impressions of him over the next 4, 8, 12 hours and update us on Jan.  That we can either keep him tied up or trust him as is (warts and all).

Post will push the game to 2000 hrs. Sorry, but it'll be delayed until tomorrow.

Ok, I lied. I'm really busy with work - student's parents are coming into the school for an open house thing and I've got to have science experiments ready. Anyways, I took a break and posted a summary of up to 2200 and some Intel.

Please go ahead and post. The only thing I still need to add is Jan's and the girl's bit. It'll be up sometime tomorrow. Jan may also post his responses himself if he wishes.

EDIT - I forgot to mention. None of Cutter's men physically or sexually assaulted the girl. Yes she was tied to a bed, but she was untouched.
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:03, Mon 17 Nov 2008.

Just a word so you know I’m still around.

Rebuilding definitely took more of my time than expected. We’re currently moving back furniture and trying to get the dust cleaned. One of these days I’ll try and read up on what I’ve missed. Just don’t forget Fox is still around and will show signs of life soon enough.

You know, Oskar doesn't like these guys but other than raiding and shooting and killing civilians and kidnapping at least they're not rapists.

I'm posting in here with questions, but you can use what I right at ideas to how Weiss would act if I don't get to posting on the main thread in a timely manner...

Was it not indicated that they killed the residents of the home we are currently in?  Shooting local militia in the process of trying to obtain, although questionable, is understandable.  If these guys murdered civilians for their hidey hole, that is crossing a line.

Rapists or not, I think that at under normal circumstances, these guys would be looking at extremely long jail sentences.  Under these circumstances, I think we would be justified to execute them all.  And it may have been simply the lack of opportunity that saved that girls virtue.  I'd bet that at least Turrino would have had a go at her as soon as things cooled down enough.  Not that I believe in punishing people for what they thought about doing.

Also, if we intend on staying in the area for more than another day.  We might need to set an example to the scared locals that we are not the same as Cutter and his thugs and are willing to bring justice where its due.

I could be convinced not to execute them at all, or to execute only some of them.  Turrino and Cutter are arguably the worst of the bunch.  Pritchard is a coward, but is still dangerous in the way cornered animals are dangerous.  Anderson and the mechanic are probably recoverable, but still troublesome at best.

No matter what, if we keep 'em alive, we got our hands full.  Weiss will not let these guys run loose.  We either take 'em with us, or they get shallow graves with markers stating their crimes.

S'ok.
I haven't got any response from Hicks (bighauser) though. I knew he's busy with the Army, but soon I'm unfortunately going to have to say he is MIA. I don't want to, but what can I do?



There are two bodies upstairs, both men. One is in civilian clothes, and the other in mixed civilian/Polish Army. All of Cutter's men's stories fit that these guys were living (squatting) here and tried to defy (ambush) Cutter's sudden arrival of their squat. They fought back and killed them both. The girl only heard the gunshots from inside the Hummer.

Anderson hasn't been able to be questioned to any real value.

Stone's assessment of the Hummer will be on the next post after a couple rolls.

A list for Cutter & Co. inventory will be posted then too.

I don't recall anyone searching thoroughly the house. Am I incorrect. A good scrounger will give better results (most likely).

Gee, I wonder who you're talking about, hmmm?  Problem is, between cooking and guarding and catching some Z's, Handley has not had any opportunity to search more than the kitchen.

http://forum.valka.cz/index.php/f/500009

A little something I just stumbled across. Loads of threads, one per vehicle it appears each with photos even of some very obscure stuff. Shame it's all in Czech (or whatever).
According to that, this is the trailer we have...



If that's the case, making it float and still roll is actually fairly easy as the cargo bed is above the top of the wheels. It also means we're not required to unhitch it to make amphibious crossings.

I've also found this link in relation to stills (medium still weighing 2 tonnes is on the above trailer)
http://running_on_alcohol.tripod.com/

With a combined weight of nearly four tonnes, it appears after nearly two hours of research, that the HMMWV just isn't up to the job of towing the trailer on anything but the flatest, well maintained roads. Even then it's going to put one hell of a lot of strain on it and probably break the hitch (at best!)



Therefore, I think we need a truck for the still if we want to use the M2 and M113 to their fullest potential and not just cargo haulers.

Sorry to hear about Marc. Hope he returns.

Hope its okay that I post this...

Baltiysk is a former air base in Kaliningrad Oblast, Russia located 5 km southwest of Baltiysk. Constructed in the 1930s by the German airforce, Soviet airforce took this place over after 1945 and it used to be Russia's westernmost air base. It appears to house a small number of interceptor alert pads.

Looking at the map, I think we need boats.
This message was last edited by the player at 15:02, Thu 20 Nov 2008.

Is Friedmann really with the command staff?  Obviously he (me) is a chatterbox full of opinions and what-not but that's not really his role unless he's been invited, right?

Well his active interest in suggestions and opinions earned him a placement with that group as far as I was concerned with the narrative. Besides JJ, Ben, and Kurt, I would leave who exactly is in the top leadership up to you guys.

Hum-vee: Lead Scout Vehicle
Driver: Varis Babicevs
Shotgun/Vehicle Commander: Kurt Weiss
Gunner (M60): Oscar Friedmann
Passenger 1: Arthur Fox
Passenger 2: Helmut Meyer

M113
Driver: Jordan
Commander (M2): Jagelis
Gunner (M240): Gideon
Passenger 1: Tom P. Kelly
Passenger 2: Tom Handley
Passenger 3:
Passenger 4: Paul Boswell
Passenger 5: Anderson
Passenger 6: Anderson
Passenger 7: Anderson
Passenger 8: Prisoner 1
Passenger 9: Prisoner 2
Passenger 10:

M2 Bradley
Driver: Stone
Gunner: St. Gil
Commander: Jameson
Passenger 1: Jan Krejick
Passenger 2: William Hicks
Passenger 3: Cutter
Passenger 4: Turrino
Passenger 5: Rescued Girl
Passenger 6:

What about this as a convoy set up? Suggestions and alterations welcome.

I think until we drop off the problem children (Cutter, etc.), we might want to have one of the HMMWV passengers in with the M2 instead.  A little extra security with the more aggressive prisoners couldn't hurt.

Feel free to put Varis wherever he's needed. I haven't posted IC because I wasn't sure where he was and I didn't want to take too many liberties. When I have an idea of what Varis is up to, I'll post again. I guess he's pulling guard if no one needs him for anything else. I just wasn't sure if he was watching the outside or the inside (i.e. the prisoners).

Besides, I think everyone needed a break from Varis. He's like a good whiskey. It's better to sip it than shoot it.

Split up Turrino and Cutter for sure.

The M2 and M113 are combat infantry vehicles. Lets use them as such.

While we definately have need of a scout vehicle, I'm more inclined to use the more economical and manouverable motorcyle in that role when travelling as a whole unit.
The humvee might be better used as a cargo/support vehicle at those times.
When sitting still brewing fuel and long range patrols are called for, then I think the humvee shoud be used in that role (perhaps with the motorcycle carried as cargo).

My thoughts are that any major move should if at all possible, only take place after the route has been scouted or reliable intelligence on what to expect is found. In that case, our scout vehicle would act as little more than a screen and move no more than a mile or two in front.

If the humvee was used as support rather than scout, I suggest the following:

Hum-vee: support carrying bulk of supplies
Driver: William Hicks
Commander/Gunner (M60): Captain Gideon
Passenger 1: Lt Boswell
Passenger 2: Tom Handley
Passenger 3: Turrino

M113
Driver: Jordan
Commander (M2): Jagelis
Gunner (M240): Kelly
Gunner (PKM): Kurt Weiss
Passenger 1: Elzbieta Czartoryski
Passenger 2: Jan Krejick
Passenger 3: Hutchings,
Passenger 4: Pritchard
Passenger 5: Cutter
Passenger 6: Anderson
Passenger 7:   ''
Passenger 8:   ''
Passenger 9:   ''

M2 Bradley
Driver: Stone
Gunner: St. Gil
Commander: Jameson
Passenger 1: Arthur Fox
Passenger 2: Oskar Friedmann
Passenger 3: Helmut Meyer
Passenger 4: Varis Babicevs
Passenger 5:
Passenger 6:

All five prisoners (Cutter, Turrino, Hutchings, Pritchard and Jan) to be bound at all times. I'm very, very uncomfortable with taking Cutter and Turrino anywhere but the nearest ditch, but.... I'm even more uncomfortable with one of them inside the M2 and potentially able to cause havock during a contact.
Once those two have been disposed of, Lt Boswell moves over to the M113 to take over the PKM, and Handley and Weiss head over to the M2 to resume infantry duties (Ben would be more than happy to swap places with Weiss though).

If the motorcycle is deemed necessary, then Friedman and Fox would probably be the best pairing I think.

may be out of line here but wouldn't the three savages kill Jan in the back of that M113? Then again putting someone in there with armed would also be pretty dangerous. Heh actually I think if anyone wanted to get rid of Jan, it would be one way of doing it...

We need to have someone dedicated to watching the prisoners was my point in my earlier post.  Jan and the girl or anyone in a turret or gun position doesn't count.  Someone sitting across from them with a pistol pointing at them is what I'm talking about.  And I don't think we are ready to let Jan (or the girl) have a gun.

Yeah I wasn't thinking that would be an option for the group. I just don't know what the interior of an M113 looks like. and OT, if the group did head back to the Island I was trying to think how many ppl could fit into an Mi-24 if its hydraulic fluid and hose were replaced. If you dropped most or all of its pods/missiles MAYBE you could squeeze in the group but they couldn't really carry anything. That troop cabin is pretty tiny. I mean its possible... sorta. Also depends on if it hasn't been stripped or blown up yet.

The interior of a 113 is essentially the inside of a box.  Pretty open with bench seats on either side wall.

It looks like this, kind of:

Driver

Passenger    Commander  Passenger

Passenger  (Metal Post)     Passenger

Passenger  Squad Leader  Passenger

Passenger                          Passenger

Passenger                          Passenger

There are storage compartments on either side behind the passengers, also.  And there is a hacth centered over the back half of the track so that some of the people in the back can stand.  And, of course, the door in the rear and the back wall is lowers like a ramp.
This message was last edited by the player at 11:16, Sat 22 Nov 2008.

For what its worth, I think we should go with the Gdansk option. Kurt and Ben both have pretty valid and correct points, along with JJ. That said, we could debate all week and still only accept that both east and west have bad news waiting for us.

Good ideas for the vehicles.

One more thing I hadn't mentioned IC is that the US 2nd Marine Division was also supposed to have taken part in the recent offensive along with the US 5thID and 8th ID.

Guess where 4000 marines were supposed to make amphibious assaults?

I'm intending to bump the next turn's time to 0430, departure time. Please take that into consideration for your next post. Any preparations or tasks you want done before you leave should be noted.

If we can't trust an NPC to watch them, Varis will do it. I'd rather he be used for scouting, but he would do a good job and he wouldn't hesitate to use force if any of them act up.

That said, IMO, it would be better to split the prisoners up so that they can't work together. Especially, Cutter and Turino.

In response to Ben...

Where the hell has there been any mention of 5th ID and the 2nd MARDIV?  I have briefly read mention of 11th Corp, but no specifics...Is it something in the rule book?  And is that canon?  And do we know about it?

The 8th ID, 5th ID, 50th AD, 116th ACR, 2nd MAR and the Canadian 4th MB acting together as XI Corp, were tasked with clearing the Baltic coastline as part of the greater German 3rd army offensive in spring of 2000.

As we all know, the 5th ID spearheaded the Corps' drive ending up at Kalisz.

Meanwhile, the 8th was detached from XI corp to "act as a pursuit and deep penetration unit"¹.

Information on the 50th AD's role is scarce and limited to no more than being under the command of XI Corp and taking part in the offensive².

The Canadian 4th MB is almost impossible to place within the offensive. It's stated in the Nato Vehicle guide (1st ed) that they're a part of XI Corp and took part in the offensive, but that's it. I'm inclined to believe it was held in reserve, perhaps alongside the 50th AD.

Little is also known about the 116th ACR (barely more than the 50th), except that 116th ACR saw action around the Baltic coast before B troop, 1/116th ACR was detached, sent to the Chojnice area for reinforcement and re-equipping before travelling with the 5th ID to Lodz. From there they headed south into Silesia³.

And so we get to the 2nd Marine Division. Unit history in several books state "the division participated in the 3rd German Army's offensive into northern Poland by launching amphibious assaults against the Polish Baltic coast and across the estuary of the Vistula."

As can be seen from a little careful reading of the various books, the offensive was huge and if it hadn't been for the sudden, unexpected appearance of the Soviet 4th Guards Tank Army and their superior mobility (due to running on petroleum fuels rather than alcohol), the attack might actually have achieved it's goal of clearing northern Poland of Pact forces.

Note also that all the maps I've seen both in the books and online, are a combination of starting positions at the 1st of July 2008 and the area within roughly 200 kilometres of Kalisz 18 days later.

All the information above is taken directly from the books and is about as canon as you can get. It's just that nobody reads closely enough.

¹ East Europe Sourcebook, pg 60
² Unit history, 1st and 2nd ed US vehicle guides
³ The Black Madonna, pg 28

I think its best to just hear out what little Boswell has to say on the matter, since he's speaking from/for the GM.

We've probably been not been in the exact area the action has been.

Lets stick to what we as PC's know or have been lead to believe.

While reading through the books, I thought the best place for the 2nd to land was actually Elblag.
Then I found the Vistula lagoon is actually freshwater and the only entrance was carved by the Russians way back in the 15th century. This 400 metre wide opening just so happens to be between the naval and airbases we were discussing a couple of R/L days ago.

I suppose it's possible a nuke put another opening into the lagoon, but would that be wide enough for a waterborne division to get through? Probably not. But, what about just a smaller component of it? Quite possibly and actually fits better into the overall divisions mission anyway.

To acheive all likely objectives, I estimate that landings would have been required all along the coast from around Martwa Vistla (east of Gdansk) through to about Suchacz. Each landing group couldn't be much more than 300-400 men in strength¹ and probable locations would be at Martwa Vistla, Mikoszewo, Katy Rybackie (to block any advance down the peninsula), the mouth of the Szkarpawa river and Suchacz.
Company sized elements might then advance southward to secure natural barriers such as the Szkarpawa river.

The last two elements would probably need to be the ones equipped with all the available AAVP7s 7s and the like as shipping would not be able to take them in as close as elsewhere. Perhaps they landed on the peninsula first, drove across it's approximate 1km width before plunging back into the lagoon for a 10km crossing. As the 8th is listed as possessing 42 M2 Bradleys, down from the normal 70, I don't think it's much of a stretch of the imagination to believe the 2nd MARDIV has more than enough amphibious vehicles to carry out their mission.

Note a minimum of 50 AAVP9s are attached to a marine division engaged in amphibious operations (in addition to their usually assigned vehicles).<sup>2


1</sup> Total division strength 4000
² American Combat Vehicle handbook, 2nd ed, pg 102

Thats all well and good, but I don't have those books.  I have the Core book, and its pretty vague...It sounded almost like you were pulling stuff out of your ass.  I just don't like getting blindsided by information that my character should have but as a player I don't.

see above.

I spent the whole of 30 minutes doing up a Google Earth layover of unit positions and movements for T2k before giving up out of boredom about 20 or 30 pages into the Eastern European sourcebook.  If anyone wants to take that on, let me know.  :)

Somebody's got to sooner or later I think, although perhaps that's information on a GM should really know....
On the other hand, any officer or SNCO should probably have at least some idea of the overall plan, at least relating to their division (well maybe just brigade unless they're in senior positions).

In reply to Ben Jagelis (msg #160):

I may be 'out of bounds' here but I think as players we're supposed to just take the info we're given from the GM and use that as the intel. Once you get into expansions and other books you always need to be careful for who has what and not assume anything.

I agree, but when Corps, or even just Divisions move about, it's a little hard to miss them....

Regarding the players knowledge of the big pictures - I'll post up something later tonight and put it into the intel thread.

Next post will go up once I get home from work in a few hours. I'm going to bump the time up to the point of either arriving at the NE crossing point (mouth of Vistula) or if there is a random encounter.

Can I get a confirmation of the travel tactics for the 3 (4) vehicles. Such as the order of march... distance of lead scout (if any) to main body... any changes to seating, etc.

Also, will any stores be crossloaded into the Hummer?

Thank you.

Hey everybody,

There is a chance my ISP is going to cut off my service (my wife forgot to pay the bill -- grrr).  If you don't hear from me, that is why.  Fusilier, please NPC Handley until I get back.

Leading with the Bradley???

Tom - no worries. Thanks for the heads up.

Stone (KC) - thanks for the confirmation. I'll go with that.

Ok, I posted up a little conclusion to the Junoszyno events. Mostly just to confirm Stone's success on the Hummer and Handley's success on the scrounging. That'll also be the close for the chapter. I'll be starting Ch.3 for Gdansk in about an hour or two.

Suppose this should have come up earlier, but...

Is the motorcycle actively being used as a scout screen?  Or are we stowing it for the moment?

Are we really stacking up the M113 with all the prisoners?  I figured bound hands-to-feet and on the floor would be the way to travel with them.  Sorry, Jan.  :)

In reply to Oskar Friedmann (msg #167):

I assumed the bike was stowed. There didn't appear to be any deliberate action taken by anyone to use it during the last turn.

I split Cutter's men up so some are in the Hummer too. None are in the Bradley as I figured it was the principal fighting element. Jan is in the M113.

New tactical map up.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:22, Mon 24 Nov 2008.

Updated the planning map to show the back tracking to the river. I made an error that I'm too lazy to fix... since its probably not important. The location of the estate is incorrectly labeled in Jantar - its supposed to be north of Junoszyno... but not like it really matters anymore.

I still have the NATO offensive information coming.

I'll also be adding the latest equipment and supplies too. Most going to the M113 I assume? Or the Hummer. What was your decision on its use... scout or utility?

did we end up going with JJM's seating arrangements or ?

I'll knock something together in about 10 hours from this post as far as seating and stores arrangements. Scout or supply is definately somthing to think about but if the bike is being carried, I would suggest scout for the humvee.

Funny how Ben still feels so tired after a full 12 months asleep!  ;)

In reply to Ben Jagelis (msg #172):

I more surprised how the food lasted that long.

No, actually, checking back it seems I've been typing 2001 for a while and the error just continued.

I updated the food and fuel.

The party has about 5 days of food (3 domestic/2 MRE) at full ration allotment. It can be stretched out if you have to cut each persons rations... but some of the domestic won't last (so thats being eaten first).

Fuel has been redone. The 2 armored vehicles have allotments that will allow them to both go 75km cross country before running dry together. The Hummer much more at 135km cross country and that is not taking into account the significant amount of diesel remaining in reserve.

There is 80L Aviation in reserve as well.

I still have to post the info you have about the offensive... and I'll recheck the status of Handley's healing.

I know there hasn't been any actual combat lately, but I hope you are not getting bored. Gdansk will be a challenge.

In reply to Fusilier (msg #174):

Wasn't their more fuel in the Hind? A lot more? Or did they only take 80L? Some goddamn farmer is going to strike gold soon if he hasn't already :P

All that was taken, along with some gear.

Did we ever solidify a vehicle crew loadout? I saw that two different ones were posted, which was chosen?

In reply to Tom P. Kelly (msg #177):

I'm not sure of the seating myself. I'll need to know before any combat occurs... and would like to know asap regardless.

Game post up today.

Been trying to work on that but first I've been looking at the cargo loadouts. The M113 is woefully overloaded at the moment (internally anyway) and the M2 Bradley is nearly empty. There will need to be a lot of changes before we can even consider who's sitting where.

Wasn't the girl left behind? I'm not sure Varis should mention her to the locals if she isn't with the party, currently.

The girl who was tied to the bed is still with us.  It is the little girl who was hiding in the attic of the other house that was left behind.

Tom is correct. The girl left behind was the one Kurt shared his chocolate with, the girl Cutter's men took from the island is with you.

Wonder if the prisoners should be secured "properly" with sandbags over their heads and all? Might save some trouble...

I just took JJ's seating thing and figured Jan was in the M2 last time so I winged it.

Also continuing to assume Jan's hands are bound from the front at the wrists. If anything is different tell me and I'll RP it accordingly

http://av.rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A...%2520PLAN%2520A3.doc
A lesson plan for teaching how and where to store equipment and ammunition on and in the M2 Bradley.

http://www.tpub.com/content/op...ls/TM-9-2350-277-10/
M113 operators manual

http://www.tpub.com/content/op...350-277-100066im.jpg
A diagram of the passenger compartment of the M113.

http://www.tpub.com/content/op...350-277-100474im.jpg
http://www.tpub.com/content/op...350-277-100475im.jpg
Diagram of the trailer hitch.

Ok, here's how Ben would have assigned people:

Hum-vee
Driver:                 William Hicks
Commander/Gunner (M60): Captain Gideon
Passenger 1 (guard):    Lt Boswell
Passenger 2:            Turrino
Passenger 3:            Jan Krejick

M113
Driver:                 Jordan
Commander (M2):         Jagelis
Gunner (M240):          Kelly
Gunner (PKM):           Kurt Weiss
Passenger 1:            Elzbieta Czartoryski
Passenger 2/guard:      Tom Handley
Passenger 3:            Hutchings
Passenger 4:            Pritchard
Passenger 5:            Cutter
Passenger 6:            Anderson
Passenger 7:               ''
Passenger 8:               ''
Passenger 9:               ''

M2 Bradley
Driver:                 Stone
Gunner:                 St. Gil
Commander:              Jameson
Passenger 1:            Arthur Fox
Passenger 2:            Oskar Friedmann
Passenger 3:            Helmut Meyer
Passenger 4:            Varis Babicevs
Passenger 5:
Passenger 6:

Note the M240 placed in the rear of the M113 by the GM I believe is actually Friedmanns?
Also note there's no way known Ben would agree to ANY prisoner riding in the M2.

Once we ditch the prisoners and Elzbieta I suggest the following for normal movement (Humvee in support).

Hum-vee
Driver:                 William Hicks
Commander/Gunner (M60): Captain Gideon
Passenger 1:            Lt Boswell

M113
Driver:                 Jordan
Commander (M2):         Jagelis
Gunner (M240):          Kelly
Gunner (PKM):           Tom Handley

M2 Bradley
Driver:                 Stone
Gunner:                 St. Gil
Commander:              Jameson
Passenger 1:            Arthur Fox
Passenger 2:            Oskar Friedmann
Passenger 3:            Helmut Meyer
Passenger 4:            Varis Babicevs
Passenger 5:            Kurt Weiss
Passenger 6:

This allows for maximum offensive ability with the heaviest vehicle able to close with the enemy and disgorge arguably our best infantrymen right into their midst while the M113 (trailer attached) provides high volumes of medium and heavy machinegun fire in support.
The Humvee remains out of the line of fire with the technical "experts".

When scouting, obviously changes would need to be made, mainly I think by transfering the Humvee crew into the M113 and shifting say Oskar, Handley (since he's stated it's his prefered position), Fox, and perhaps one or two others as required.

Of course it's always going to be more fuel efficent to use the motorcycle, or better yet, foot patrols.

Well, shit, if that ain't a party then I don't know what is.

In reply to Oskar Friedmann (msg #187):

rolfmao

Kinda hard for Handley to do that from the M113 when Jan is in the Humvee per your own plan, or in the Bradley if that is where he is.

Doh!
That's what happens after changing the damn thing about a dozen times!

One RPG-16, three rockets, 5 AKMs and 15 mags along with all the antitank mines were left last time. We only have one RPG-16 and 7 rockets remaining which I'd REALLY like to hang onto.
We could offer the two PKT's salvaged from the BMPs - they're next to useless to us without stocks, triggers, etc although somebody with a few tools and a couple of hours could bodge up a nice twin mount for them (perfect for the pilot boat).
We've got a fair bit of ammo too without weapons to fire it (7.62mmS by the caseful for example).

Of course we could still turn around (again) and see if the 2nd MARDIV is further along - we only went about 1/3rd of the way to the next major river.

I'm not saying you are wrong or anything, but I don't recall this. The inventory says lists all of it ... who did you trade with (Damian?)

Arrggh!!!!!!!!!! I just wrote up a response and the stupid browser crashed. I'll try to get a replacement post up tonight. It should be the last one for negotiating a crossing.

I don't want negotiations to get too drawn out and leave everyone else stuck doing nothing. Please be patient.

I suppose the confusion of the trade items (see previous post) needs to be clarified firstly anyways.

Packing up the computer.  Out the loop until further notice.  Take care, folks.

In reply to Kurt Weiss (msg #194):

:(

In reply to Fusilier (msg #192):

The way I read that, the items would have been handed over before the boat ride.

Thanks for gaming here with us Kurt/Doji Hoturi and giving us some great contributions. Good luck with everything.

You are always welcome to return in the future.

Re: tools, machine goods, parts, and electronics...

How about we give the diving gear and compressor?  Those got to be taking up a lot of space and we're not exactly really in need of them I don't think.

You have that looted aircraft repair toolkit.. may want to keep it though, yet its out of my hands...

Could offer to trade him the Hind which is 10km down river... If we don't plan on going back to it.

also JJM said 4 prisoners so I'm taking it that Turrino and Jan are still part of the group known as 'Cannon Fodder'? ;)

Redid the unit's inventory with some massive organizational help from Ben/Legbreaker. I think it'll be easier this way.

I'm probably wrong and I hate posting things like this (because usually theirs a GM reason for it) but just in case I didn't see anything looted from the HIND in that list. If I'm out of line Fus just say "STFU n00b or I'll throw you to the Poles!"

CZ 75 pistol + 2 clips + Holster
Skorpion + 2 clips

2 x AKSU (1 x 30 round mag each)
1 x Medical Kit
1 x Small Ground to Air Radio
2 x Nightvision Goggles (from Pilot + Co-Pilot Helmets)
1 x Flare Gun (3 R/G/B flares)
1 x Heavy Winter Parka
11 x MRE (post-war Soviet style)
Detailed maps of Danzig (Gdansk) area in Northern Poland + Bohemia
1 x small case of rare wine
2 x case of old scotch (some bottles missing...)
1 x carton of Sparta cigarettes
Several jerry cans of aviation fuel

We didn't get time to make the trade, thus we still have all that stuff.

The Hind stuff was taken, I have the list - I forgot to add it (except the fuel). It'll be done.

hey is the interface bugged? it keeps saying I have a private message unread but theirs nothing new in my Private Messages? Anyone else have this problem?

OK, there doesn't seem to be a lot of interest playing out the crossing. Not sure. Thats ok, I'll put up a post and we'll continue with you on the other side and heading for Gdansk.

Y'all probably itching for some combat I know.

(sorry Jan. Don't know what to tell you at the moment.)
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:01, Sat 29 Nov 2008.

Damn. strange then. Personally I dont mind the character RP I just don't know it is a faux pas to keep posting little Jan Krejcik-isms every other post.

heh made the mistake of making that translation known to all :P

fixed.

No, not a mistake, JJ's been using XP to learn Polish. he thought it'd come in useful at some point, just not in this way.

In reply to John Jameson McCarthy (msg #208):

you sly devil ;)

Speaking of XP, I'm going to allocate one each to the players for their recent actions. There was no combat but their actions were well played. They outmaneuvered Cutter's attempt at double crossing you, rescued a hostage, and made some other good moves all without anyone getting hurt.

A little something to help picture things.



I like the claymores! We should do that to the M113 and Bradley when we get the chance.

Hells yeah...

Only problem with placing claymores like that (and obviously not a major concern) is that you're not supposed to place a claymore with anything more solid than brush within a metre behind it. The shockwave created on firing bounces off anything solid and can disrupt the pattern of shrapnel and potentially minimising casulties at anything beyond point blank range.

However, if things are so bad that you need to fire the claymores, chances are the enemy are already climbing the sides of the vehicle.

I think they're there specifically to prevent boarding.

Wow. I'm kinda surprised by that pic. The thin aluminum armor of the M113 is really only proof against small-ish bits of shrapnel and 7.62mm fire. From what I've read, 14.5mm fire can penetrate it. I would imagine that a Claymore's back-blast would do some damage. Back in 'Nam, LRRP and SOG recon teams used the Claymore's backblast to cut down small trees (8"-12" in diameter) for impromptu landing zones.

Hey, if what's illustrated works, right on. But, I have some serious doubts.

I'd imagine there's an extra plate of steel at the rear of those boxes between the claymore and vehicle. Even without it, there should be sufficient solidity there to direct the majority of the blast outward from the vehicle especially as there is an air gap of a centimetre or so between them.

As for claymore being used to cut down trees with the backblast, I think that's more myth than fact. They only contain 700 grams of explosive in a thin sheet sandwiched between a metal plate (behind) and 700 1 gram ball bearings (in front) with the whole lot encased in fibreglass. All the backblast is likely to do is take the bark off.

Using that small amount of explosive to take down trees would a) require a thin, relatively weak trunk and b) probably need to be inserted as a borehole charge (drill a hole, fill it with explosive). Even tamping the claymore with mud wouldn't be all that effective as there'll always be an airgap inside the claymore's case (air does not conduct explosive forces very well at all).

Note that claymores, even when fired in banks of three or more at a time, don't "shred" the contryside either. I observed a bank of six fired at mansized standing targets at a range of between 20 and 50 metres. The most holes counted afterwards (remember 4200 bearings in the air) was 5 in one target with some of the approximately 20 targets missed entirely.

HOWEVER, the blast and noise was absolutely terrific! Anyone lucky enough to have been missed by shrapnel still wouldn't have been in any shape to do anything for probably a minute or so - the shock value alone is immense!

Same here. Huge blast and noise but the fragment damage to the targets were much less than I expected. When I use claymores in the game, I add increased shock/hesitation value similar to the ambush rules.

Post up tonight.

Cant wait :-)

I'm back online. I need to read back a couple posts later to catch up - but hopefully I'll get in before the game post.

Re: the M113 pic. What are those square looking things above the claymores?
This message was last edited by the player at 10:27, Tue 02 Dec 2008.

You've got me! Maybe added armour panels? If so then they seem a bit small but they are in the right places to protect the crew and passengers.

Reactive armor, I think.

Welding cage armor around the vehicle would probably be a good idea too.

make it look like something from Mad Max. First Impressions against the enemy go a long way.

Well, there's always this:



Or...

REMEMBER YOUR INSPIRATION!

We can mount Cutter and Pritchard up in front.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TL4XZdyo3g
This message was last edited by the player at 15:15, Tue 02 Dec 2008.

Yeah. Thats how we do it in the Czech Republic. You fairies with your Nato gear and claymores, learn how to do it right :P Pimp my Ride: the apocalyptic edition

That's what I'm talkin' about...lets make our vehicles look something like these WH40K Ork battlewagons...
http://www.games-workshop.com/...Battlewagon_Main.jpg

I was so proud of myself, and then you fucking showed me up hard like that.  You ruthless bastard.

:(

Oskar... just what exactly is that thing in the first pic (above the Mad Max pic).

LOL!

I'll post a quick conclusion and get you off the island as soon as you indicate if you'll stop at the LAV or not.

Doing my best at not dragging it out. Need to get some action going again.
This message was last edited by the GM at 03:42, Wed 03 Dec 2008.

That, my friend, is the EM-50 Urban Assault Vehicle.

Col. Glass: Let's skip the bullshit, Captain. I have a problem, and I need your help. Are you familiar with the EM-50 project we have in Italy?

Captain Stillman: Yes... it's a tank... or something.

Col. Glass: [impatiently] It's an Urban Assault Vehicle!

Ok, you have me laughing but from what movie?

Stripes

Stripes.

...

AND NOW THIS.

If you squint you can see Jan hanging off the back of it.


This message was last edited by the player at 19:46, Wed 03 Dec 2008.

Ok fellas, I'm having a bit of a delay getting the post up. It'll be done in a couple hours. Sorry for the delay.

LoL! Forever debating whether he should he escape or stay safe with his pseudo-captors...

Looking at the map, it looks like we are going to be heading right for them. There's only one road in and out. Problem with the ground is the river on our right and behind us is limiting our room to maneuver. We're getting wedged in.

Perhaps if a fight is inevitable we should hole up in a one of the countless hamlets that we've been told are around us. Dismount - to get the full advantage of all of our manpower/firepower and fight from the defense and advantage of cover.

Thoughts?
This message was last edited by the player at 21:01, Thu 04 Dec 2008.

Hey guys nice to get involved

If we hustle we can avoid an interception - especially if they're still trying to catch us at a crossing and we already crossed - but stopping would ensure a fight.  Stopping ensures that we're entrenched but I don't know if that's what we want to be if they're showing up in force: we've been motoring back and forth and I'm assuming that they're pissed enough to bring enough mojo to re-establish strong control of the area.  We're going to have our backs to the river or get surrounded, and that means no retreat and they're bringing mortars; at that point its breakout or nothing since staying entrenched means death.

I'm thinking that if we rush for Gdansk we can force the Pact guys to give up the chase once they're within range of the outlying Gdansk defense elements.  We have to get past those same elements but at least if we rush forward in a US vehicle with a US flag flying proud they may not kill us on sight.  :)

Welcome Erich.

Yes, please welcome Alex Blade who'll be playing Erich Hawkins.

Erich welcome to our well oiled group.

I agree to rush for Gdansk and hope the poles haven't already prepared an ambush for us along the way, most likely at the intersection at Przejazdowo. Of course we are making the assumption here that our intel on Gdansk is correct and we ingnore the warning given by Gustaw.

Welcome Erich.

...
This message was last edited by the player at 14:04, Fri 05 Dec 2008.

Updated the vehicle seating.

Question to all. I don't see the items from the Hind in the unit inventory. They were,
2 x AKSU
1 x Medical Kit
1 x Small Ground to Air Radio
1 x Short Range Radio
2 x Nightvision Goggles (from Pilot + Co-Pilot Helmets)
1 x Flare Gun (3 R/G/B flares)
1 x Heavy Winter Parka (for Crew Tech)
Cigarettes and booze

Did these get traded/left behind? Or did I forget to add them?

Jan, you can add the following to you PC's inventory sheet...
White Silk Scarf
Aviator Glasses
Winter Aviator Jacket
Czech Military Fatigues
Gold Designer Watch
Pocket sized toiletry kit w: designer lip balsam, moisturizing lotion, cologne, aftershave, soap and a razor.
CZ 75 pistol + 2 clips + Holster
Skorpion + 2 clips
Leatherman tool/knife

Everyone's been keeping track of their ammo right?
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:11, Fri 05 Dec 2008.

i thought you forgot to add them. you said earlier you would but got sidetracked.

Hi, Erich.

Hi Erich.

'sup guys.  so you misplaced a giant stack of hind equipment?  hmmm...

Y'all know.  Shit happens :-)


.

they misplaced a hind actually...

pull a replacement hose for its hydraulics out of your rucksack and lets go for a ride :P

what?  you couldn't rig that up?  man id give the bradley anyday for a hind...

FYI
"Echo" is the codeword for enemy forces or personnel.

Hi Alex, what's Hawkins weapon? If it's a sniper rifle, might be an idea to draw something a little more "battlefield friendly" like an AK or M16 for general use.
Personally I love sniper type weapons for their accuracy and range, but I wouldn't want to be caught with only that on a modern battlefield (scouting, etc is a completely different thing of course).

you know depending on what intell you guys already have about these forces, it may be worth Jan +1 going back to see if the Hind can be jury rigged to get Airborne. It was just a hydraulic hose + some fluid. Still had enough of its armament to neutralize some armor. Could trade it (before any jury rigged solution would fail) in Gdansk or hold for further repairs to get everyone to the 5th or that Phantom Marine division (provided they wouldn't shoot me down.

On the bike could get there pretty soon. This is provided Jan could fix it, if it hadn't been stripped/looted for the other thousand or so liters of aviation fuel.

Anyway its a thought since if it works it briefly solves some issues (Where divisions are, protecting group, providing leverage in Gdansk).

in theory.

at the worst Jan would get killed trying to get to it/get stranded/crash.

thoughts? it's a command (JJ/Ben) decision anyway.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:44, Sat 06 Dec 2008.

It's a superb idea, but only if the command completely trusts you, which I don't believe they do...yet.

Help kill us some commies and I'm sure that they might reconsider.

Getting back would be a problem now, hostile forces are moving in and the people that hold the crossings aren't exactly friendly.

Friendly to NATO. All those points into negotiation/persuasion have to take me somewhere (don't say a coffin...). But good point. I just don't want to give up the Hind so easily *g*

Working on the post now. Be up in an hour or less.

We're fucked.

No, just a temporary setback...

Good philosophy you have there that death is just a temporary setback...

LOL. One of the maps is up. I want to put up another to show more detail as well - good for once the ranges decrease.

BTW - Erich has a M16/203. Returned back to him in his gear. Its broken down into its main components and minus any ammunition.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:43, Sat 06 Dec 2008.

Found a nice picture of the area and have uploaded it to here:

[IMG]http://i157.photobucket.com/al...96408_33ee4677ae.jpg[/IMG]

I'm not sure how to get the image to appear here, if someone can do it, I'd be grateful. It's useful for tactical planning I think.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:52, Sat 06 Dec 2008.

The syntax is:

<img src="http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t55/simonmark_2007/2359196408_33ee4677ae.jpg">


This message was last edited by the player at 19:31, Sat 06 Dec 2008.

Excellent.

Thanks very much.

Fusillier:

I'm assuming that we're to the North of this picture, just below the second large body of water. Is this the case?

How much chatter from the Bradley driver/gunner/commander can passengers hear in the back of the thing? I want to respond IC but I don't want to metagame.

 I think that we're just off to the right edge of the picture.

I'd like to say everyone in the vehicle can hear each other (except for incoming radio calls if they have no headset).



Not sure at the moment. Kelly may be correct. I'll have to get into google earth and try to figure it out. I'll get back to you.

Damn, Infantry vs. tanks...sigh and just when you give all you anti armor shit away...could be worse right?

We've still got 6 LAW-72s and an RPG-16 with 7 rockets. Pluss the Bradley's TOW launcher has two loaded missiles. It's a rough combat, no doubt, but far from hopless.

At least, that's my opinion.

I was thinking about the HUM VEE. It's fast but I dunno how good Hicks is as a driver. And where are those LAWS and RPGs stored?

although i think the hind would be the way to go...i dont think the characters would be willing to risk their safety, position, a comrade, and a humvee to get it.  however, you guys should have forces jan to fly for you, or rig something like a flatbed mack truck to carry the hind.

In reply to Erich Hawkins (msg #272):

It's not their fault. Jan isn't the most...prime team player nor the most trust worthy person atm...

i hear ya brother, stick it to the man and all that shit!

I think our group is heading north west, while the threat is south west.  Does that mean we are heading away from them?

The tacmap shows us facing them.

the little road we are on parallels the big road and then heads south they are waiting for us there

Although the hind might be a good idea, we've got a couple of things against it.

Firstly, it's on the other side of a very wide river.
Secondly, it is, albeit lightly, damaged and currently not airworthy. Repairs are likely to take time.
Thirdly, the fuel tanks were drained I believe and we've only got 80 litres in four jerrycans spread over two vehicles. I'm not too sure how far that would go, but I doubt if would be worth more than a few minutes flight time.
Fourthly, the aircraft has been sitting unguarded for about 24 hours and there was at least one survivor from the gunboat in the immediate area. Chances are the helicopter is already back in Pact hands.
And Fifth, we don't trust Jan.

I think about three seconds after he's got it back in his hands it'd be reassembled. Good to know we've increased out explosive firepower too.   :D

In my experience with M113s, it's practically impossible to carry on a conversation without an intercom with anyone not sitting within arms reach - there's just far too much noise from the clanking of tracks and roaring of the engine (still don't understand why a better exhaust muffler isn't installed).
(I can't speak for the M2 of course, but there are two passenger headsets in the back of the M113 usually used by the section commander and 2IC. I'd imagine there'd be at least as many in the M2.
These headsets hook into the radio net also and operate on a toggle switch - centre position is neutral, can hear but not speak, one way is radio and the other intercom. Conversations can be heard when in any position, but only one person can transmit (even just over the intercom) at a time - vehicle crews get quite irate if the passengers forget to switch back to the neutral position...

link to a message in this game
4 M72s in the M2
2 M72s in the M113
1 RPG-16 in the HMMWV
Plus whatever individuals (like Varis and his RPG-18) happen to have in their personal equipment.

fyi the Hind was a little over 1/2 full of fuel. the damage is sorta easy to fix since you cna use break fluid for hydraulic fluid. Pact hands is correct through. Thats the risk.

And no one trusts Jan ;)

Still may be worth it to go after we get blown to hell and back to see.

And good to know about the Gear. I'm assuming Boswell gave Jan an AKUSU or something that was in the HUMVEE

The reason I said I'd like people in each of the vehicles to hear everyone inside was just for gameplay. It might not be entirely accurate for some of the vehicles like Ben said, but I was thinking it might help a PC able to post something. Often for the passengers its a little hard as it is to post when there is little they can see or do. Lets assume minus the radio chatter, those without headsets can hear.

For positions. Yes, both groups are facing each other. The group is at the fork in the road NE of the village. The left fork is the road the enemy is advancing on... and in between (closer to you) is the village. The right fork heads west along nothing special, just farmland and the odd farm house/barn in various states of damage.

Once they get closer next turn (and I get some freetime tomorrow) I'll post a suitable tactical map showing each of the buildings and the vehicles. At the moment you can see approaching from front to back in single file - a BMP, two BTRs, and two more vehicles of unknown type. The tank is off to the side a few dozen meters from the road where it took up a position to fire static/overwatch (Soviet tanks not being all that great for moving fire especially at this range).

I'm not too sure a HIND would still be untouched or unguarded. It went down visible to the Sobieszewo militia at the southern bridge and its location no secret. Surely a potentially operational aircraft is going to be a high priority for the local forces... not necessarily them but the government.

Stores should be updated with motorcycle and contents - whoever is putting together that lovely spreadsheet can update it, or if its emailed/hosted I can grab it and update it myself.


MOTORCYCLE
Secure Manpack Radio (AN/PRC-70) (Left Saddle Bag)
Chemical Defense Suit (Left Saddle Bag)
Thermal Fatigues (US Issue) (Left Saddle Bag)
Basic Tool Kit (Right Saddle Bag)
Small Arms Tools (Right Saddle Bag)
BG15 HE 40mm Grenades (x16) (Right Saddle Bag)
BG15 ILLUM 40mm Grenades (x2) (Right Saddle Bag)
7.62mmS Ammunition (x120 Loose) (Right Saddle Bag)
7.62mmN Linked (x150 Left Saddle Bag)
7.62mmN Linked (x150 Right Saddle Bag)
FN MAG (w/50 round 7.62mmN linked 'contact' belt - loaded)
LAW 80
Domestic Food/Water (x12 kg)

...

Fusilier wouldn't let me start with the RPG-16.  :p

Hey guys I'm sure you hooked Erich some ammo out of the stores, buy how much would you have given up, we need to subtract that from the stores.

Thanks for the list of extras. What I'll do it add them to the HMMWV list as I believe that's the vehicle currently carrying the motorcycle.
The MAG is currently to one in the M113 (thought you wouldn't mind).
The LAW 80 and extra grenades I would assume you'd want close at hand? (plenty of room in the Bradley for them).
The NBC suit and thermals I would think are personal items and better recorded on your character sheet (I doubt anyone else would want to wear the thermals at least).

How much ammo do you want Erich? There's a full case of 5.56mm and 24 40mm HEDP grenades in the Bradley? Take as much as you need (there's plenty more).

Jan, there are 13 AK-74, 3 AKR, 2 RPK-74, 1 Pumpaction Shotgun and 2 M16s available to choose from. I would suggest an AK-74, RPK-74 or M16 as the other two are too short ranged for normal combat.
This message was last edited by the player at 01:43, Mon 08 Dec 2008.

hell yeah! full combat load! ill take 7 30 round mags and six HEDP 40mm grenades...

I hope you've got empty mags then - all the spares are in the HMMWV. (should have your issue 6 I'd imagine for character gen)

I'll update the list (and email to Fusilier for posting)

The Sobieszewo people kept Erich's magazines/ammo. They also took his NVGs, Kevlar and a couple other items.

Then I suppose it would have made sense for some of the spares currently carried in the HMMWV to be issued to him before moving on at the bridge?
Failing that then there should be a collection from those within the Bradley.

well, if all else fails i could fix bayonet and use my rifle as a javelin!

I've set up a map with horizontal and vertical indicators. Unlike the other battles, I think this one can be more tactically oriented. What I mean is your movements will be more specific.

I've given a quick setup for the vehicles... however please tell me exactly where each of you will be going using the letter/number indicators. Which building(s) (if any) will the dismounts be setting up for example. Or how will the vehicles maneuver?

You should have about 3* turns worth of time before the enemy shows up, so choose a good spot!

*But for posting purposes, next GM post will be their arrival just to speed things up.
This message was last edited by the GM at 12:55, Mon 08 Dec 2008.

See SOP number five. I think that should cover you.

;)

I think the SOP Ben mentioned will cover you. Meyer seems like the kind to do whats required of him anyways. Just ensure you subtract the ammo from your inventory or from the unit's stores ok?

Since we are on the topic, I hope everyone's been honest with your personal ammo. We've a lot to spare, but still...

Are we still using your house rule for personnel movement?  Or are we back to by-the-book?

If there's a real squeeze for magazines, Erich can have 3 of JJ's mags. Whilst he's rummaging about his person, he also had a couple of HEAT rifle grenades and two RAW HEAT rifle grenades, those are grenades in his pockets and he's not gald to see you...

I took the grenades after all, if that's a problem let me know, I figure once he realized he was without ammo they would have help poor Erich out.

mmmmmmm, RAW HEAT.......    :P

Shame they can't be used when a grenade launcher (such as the M203) is fitted.   :(


What's the chances of the M2 pushing it's way through the buildings (specifically the damaged ones) without if being trapped? Seems to have been a relatively common practice in the past - brick wall in the way? no problems! *crash!*

If we're to survive this I think we need to ignore any concerns about property damage and just hook in.
This message was last edited by the player at 00:05, Tue 09 Dec 2008.

Oskar - you can stretch it a little, but since the ranges shouldn't be so far this time perhaps not as much as before. I'd rather not give specific distances at the moment until I see how the pace of the game is moving.

Ben - the Bradley might be able to smash through some of the structures, but there is the risk if there is a basement/cellar it will end up there.

Fox - the structure at J-16 is a garage/shed. A large set of double doors at the entrance facing the southwest. Its built of wood with a flat roof. Not many windows, most up high and not at eye level. There is also an access door next to the main vehicular one.

Directly outside there are some pallets, some bins, a piece of farming machinery normally attached to a tractor, and a snow plow usually attached to a pickup.
This message was last edited by the GM at 01:04, Tue 09 Dec 2008.

aww man!  a snow plow could come in handy!

The enemy are approaching from the south - bottom of the map.

Whoops! I thought I'd done that already (I was certianly thinking about it when I did up the seating plan).
Meyer and Varis appear to work well together. Makes sense for them to continue as a pair.
Oskar and Fox are both sneaky types and so I think probably shoud stick together.
Which leaves Weiss and Hawkins. The grizzled old soldier and the new guy - that seems to make sense too...

Too bad Fox doesn't like Oskar.  But Oskar doesn't mind.  ;)

We broke 3000 posts!

Where do you get the idea Fox doesn't like Oskar.

For Fox it can be said he doesn't care much for people, period, but he doesn't carry a grudge against Oskar specifically.

That said, please don't take Fox's next reaction personal ;)
It would just be bad tactics putting Fox with a low ROF rifle and high effective range in the most probable center of this confrontation. He'd rather try and deny enemy movement over their left flank. Feel free to tag along though, some anti armor might be usefull on this side as well.

I'm trying to get Oskar somewhere he can use the LAW and cover the left flank from infantry advance.  So far there's no sniper cover on that side, though the M113 hasn't disgorged its occupants yet.

There are two concerns: any enemy moving towards us east of the road has LOS blocked by the buildings in the center of the map being the first, and the scale of the map is the second - that sniper rifle's effective range is about 7 grid squares, meaning that at J15 you're really only covering everything on our side of the buildings north of gridline 10 due to blocked LOS.  That's the same coverage area that Meyer and Weiss are covering.

From R9 you can pin down a whole squad trying to move north; at J15 you're reacting to trouble that's already on top of you, probably brought there by a vehicle your sniper rifle can't do anything to.  If anything, Oskar should be headed that way and Fox should be at Oskar's position.  I'm hoping that between Meyer and Weiss they can cover that though.

No time to hash it out IC though.  Just opining.  :)
This message was last edited by the player at 20:22, Tue 09 Dec 2008.