Rousseau says that the real tutor is the father. Reciprocation then casts the tutor in the role of father. An apprentice' Master is 'like a father to them', since the apprentice is the Master's heir in at least one sense.

Therefore, Starkiller and Skywalker are, in one sense of the word, brothers.

But if you're going to accept the 'Master = father' theory there, then Obi-Wan is more Luke's father than Vader ever was.  :p

*nods*

Which, in a twisted way, means that Vader commited fratricide on the death star.

Twice, because on tha theory, Palpatine was Vader's "father" and Vader offed him too. Hmm... it's interesting that the Death Star had so many usurpings.

Vader kills his former master
Vader kills his current master
Luke kills Vader (indirectly, it's a bit of a stretch I know, but there's an odd symmatry to this)

Nah - Vader was killed by Palpatine's Force Lightning, which shorted out the systems in his suit that kept him alive.

Yeah, but Luke caused Vader to betray Palpatine, hence the indirectly part.

Luke redemed Vader, but it was still his own choice to pick up Palpatine and toss him down the reactor core - in no way would Luke be responsible for that death.  To be fair, he did kill a whole bunch of people when he blew up the first Death Star, though!  :D

In response to that, see my latest post in "Things Which Amuse Me"

lulz. That reminds me of the Clerks talk about independent contracters on the second death star.

"You think your average stormtrooper knows how to install a toilet?"
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Hell, the contractors working on Death Star II aren't the biggest fatality you would expect from its destruction.  How about a holocaust on Endor?

http://theforce.net/swtc/holocaust.html

There's an interesting discussion about the Word of God statement on the matter, which basically stated:  "It didn't happen."

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmw...ain/NoEndorHolocaust

http://www.swrpgnetwork.com/files/endor - a rebuttal to this by Gary M. Sarli.

I wasn't very impressed by the rebuttal, mostly because it relies heavily on special pleading, and uses as evidence that the DSII didn't harm Endor in the continuity of the Expanded Universe on the basis of future works mentioning events on Endor.  This is just as easily explained as a continuity error as by an elaborate justification involving wormholes and blackholes that just so happened to allow for an unforseen consequence to develop.

Seeing the devastation of war on a planetary scale following the destruction of the DSII doesn't fit thematically with the space-opera tone of Star Wars, so it is rightly excluded.  However, it is an interesting thought experiment for people like Kevin Smith and whoever it was that first came up with the idea of the Endor Holocaust to consider how the Expanded Universe might have looked given a different theme.

There's a million and one explanations why or why not Endor should be destroyed. Maybe all the debris got caught into a non-decaying orbit and Endor now has an asteroid belt :D

Precisely: Anakin was emotionally stunted.  His circumstances just didn't allow him to develop emotionally in a healthy and mature fashion.  Not that I think his fall to the Dark Side was particularly well handled by Lucas and company, but at least it makes sense to me that he would as stupidly as he did whenever there were strong emotions involved.

I guess that is one way to look at it. He wasn't too bad but he took stupid pills every time he had strong emotions.

Over at TVtropes, they call that holding the idiot ball.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/IdiotBall

Clone Wars S01E07: See some hot droid on droid action :D In the end when R2 is fighting that other droid, forget for a moment that they're enemies and think that they're "close friends" and it takes a very twisted S&M turn

Clone Wars S01E08: They didn't have one or even two...but several dozen opportunities to kill Jar Jar and it would have been a "noble sacrifice"...instead he bumbles and survives. *sigh*

*sigh* Lightning Reflexes as a racial trait.

*shakes his fist

CURSE YOU!

You know, we did see Jar-Jar in Return of the Sith, even if only very briefly, so I'd say his chances of dying during the Clone Wars to be nonexistant...  unless they give us a whole new meaning of Clone Wars.  *shudders*

why do you say such nightmares?

*shudder*

Anyway, I'm re-watching the 1st season of the clone wars and for no reason I will continue to provide commentary on the episodes.

Continuing on with S1E08, I cannot stop staring at the Rodian's eyes. I mean seriously it's like a galaxy in there.


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S01E09: A classic reason why you never brag about how awesome you are or how much you're about to get paid to a Sith.

They tend to find it easier to just murder their subordinates rather then dig around their pockets for some loose change.

This is why there are no bums on Korriban :)

I finally read Apocalypse.

Not pleased with the way it went. Ah well.

Don't want to spoil it...

S01E??

A bit of an irritating plot device: LOL, JEDI GET DRUGGED DRINK!


A) At the end of the first episode it has them avoiding getting drugged (but apparantly a webcomic retcons that)

B) Jedi are supposed to be highly resistent to drugs and poisons.

C) If they detected it the first time...why were they surprised when they got drugged AGAIN...

ugh the episode is infuriating.


Not to mention the dumb antics of the supposedly smart Hando (sp?). So he captures Dooku in a pretty decent way. He is smart enough to NOT try and ransom Dooku back to the Seperatists because they would just land droids and kill him. So he ransoms to the Republic for a very sizable amount of money, a million credits IN SPICE. He even says that they can sell it back for many times its value so in one easy swoop he just became a multi-millionare.

So when the jedi arrive to inspect the prisoner? He takes them hostage.

/facepalm.

Again, let me repeat: When the republic sends two jedi to take Dooku into custody, he kidnaps them. Sure enough, the three jedi prisoners escape, destroy his army, and bolt. Now he's out a million credits in spice, a base, a pirate gang etc. etc.

He didn't get greedy. He got DUMB!

I understand the point of the episode was to force Dooku & jedi to work together to escape but you could have just re-arranged things and had a fairly clever bad guy.

A) Ransom Dooku.
B) After Republic pays ransom, kidnap all three jedi.
C) Ransom again for even more money!

It's still dumb greed but at least the betrayal makes sense as opposed to kidnapping the people who are going to pay you BEFORE THEY PAY YOU...ugh.
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