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[OTHER]Discussion - the Expanded Universe.

Posted by GM PalpatineFor group 0
PC rankaratar
player, 7 posts
Utinni!
Sat 30 Aug 2008
at 11:45
  • msg #15

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I heard the Force Unleashed is a linear game, and that's a big minus in my book. It might have a good story and if so, I might buy it.
GM Sunset Miko
GM, 18 posts
Sat 30 Aug 2008
at 14:55
  • msg #16

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

It can't be completely Linear, since it's been advertised as allowing both Light and Dark-side routes.

*grumbles about sudden inclusion of the Light Side... again. Has been doing that since she first heard about it*
PC jmkool
player, 3 posts
Sun 31 Aug 2008
at 04:36
  • msg #17

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I was gonna say I've read a bunch of the books, and I'm a big reader, but I don't think I even qualify after rallenc...
PC meade352mxs
player, 19 posts
Sun 31 Aug 2008
at 04:57
  • msg #18

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

In reply to GM Palpatine (msg #3):

The Rogue Squadron series is fantastic.  As is the Grand Admiral Thrawn series, the Admiral Daala series, Hand of Thrawn, and Legacy of the Force.  Wasn't too fond of the New Jedi Order, but you've got to read NJO to really understand a lot of what happens in LotF.
PC Briareos
player, 1 post
Sun 31 Aug 2008
at 19:35
  • msg #19

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I personally don't like much of the stuff after Episode VI, except for the graphic novel "Dark Empire" by Darkhorse.  But even then it was interesting in it's own right, and I don't think I would choose to run or play in any era beyond the Rebellion era.  That means I game (pun intended) for anything from Episode I-VI and before that to include KotOR.

I love EU, that's what makes Star Wars belong to the fans more than Lucas now-a-days.  It's where the games (i.e., RPG, computer, etc.) fall, in those stories that aren't told by the movies that are just as epic, and are behind the scenes of the larger films.
PC jmkool
player, 4 posts
Sun 31 Aug 2008
at 21:53
  • msg #20

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

It's what makes the universe of Star Wars just that, a universe of stories.

I hope they come out with episodes VII-IX.  If they did it now, the actors would be the right ages for the NJO era.
GM Palpatine
GM, 65 posts
Ruler of the Galaxy
Dark Lord of the Sith
Sun 7 Sep 2008
at 10:42
  • msg #21

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I doubt that would ever happen - but if it did, you can bet it would invalidate most of the EU material from post-RotJ.  We're getting a live-action TV show, though, taking place in the time between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope, which is probably as close we'll get to new (non-animated) movies.
PC jmkool
player, 10 posts
Mon 8 Sep 2008
at 06:53
  • msg #22

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

Well, in my mind, that would just complete Star Wars.  The movies, anyway.
PC rallenc82
player, 18 posts
Mon 8 Sep 2008
at 07:44
  • msg #23

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

if you think about it, Episodes I, II, and III, though they came first, brought the story back into full circle. It wasn't about luke skywalker or Leia or Han and Chewie. It was about Anakin Skywalker. I don't know that this was the original intent of GL because you hardly see any at all of him during episodes IV-VI.

Once you add in I-III, though, it makes everything about Anakin. You've got his discovery, his release from slavery, his rise to power and his power consumes him and he falls to the dark side only to be redeemed once again to save the lives of his own children whom he didn't even know he had until a few years previous. In my opinion, if GL went on with more movies past episode VI, it would just be for money and it wouldn't be in the theme of the story already told.
PC True Edge
player, 3 posts
Mon 8 Sep 2008
at 14:22
  • msg #24

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I have read just about as much EU stuff as I can. Own a good majority of the books from the end of RoTJ up until the New Jedi Order series starts. Own all of it and in the process of getting all of the Legacy of the Force books.

Comics wise I have the first sets of trades for the KOTOR series, the majority of the X-Wing: Rogue Squadron series (the only issues I need are the first 4 or 5, and they don't exist in Trade), and a few odds and ends trade paperbacks as well. Have to say that the Rogue Squadron books and I, Jedi are some of my favorites.

Have played both KOTOR games, enjoyed them both.

I would have to agree that GL should not do a set of movies that would follow RoTJ. For one, to agree with rallenc82, it does seem as though with the addition of Eps I-III, the focus of the entire series shifts to that of Anakin. And with RoTJ, his story ends (for the most part). Really the only thing they could do would be similar to what's already been done in some of the EU books, where Leia begins to embrace her Jedi heritage as her father's ghost begs for her forgiveness, and she does so, even going so far as to name one of her sons after him. But this is really just an extension of his redemption from the end of RoTJ, and as such (IMO) wouldn't make for a great movie.

Second, I like the EU too much to see it tossed aside. Especially since it's in that "quasi" canon state (basically if GL feels like he has a story to tell past the era of RoTJ, he will, and the continuity of the EU would be tossed out). Unless that's changed recently.
PC brennanhawkwood
player, 7 posts
Mon 8 Sep 2008
at 14:32
  • msg #25

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I think I would have to agree that focus of the movies shifted to Anakin and his story effectively dead-ends at the end of Episode VI.

Could there be movies set after that, I think yes, though they would be far better off not being Episodes VII-IX.  I think they would need to be a movies telling a story set in the Star Wars setting that happens to have occurred after the events in Episode VI.

On the other hand, as mentioned by others, that sort of thing does pose a lot of issues regarding the already published post-VI EU materials and would serve to muddy those waters even more than they are already are so I'd think it would probably be better that it not be done unless its directly based on some of that material.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:32, Mon 08 Sept 2008.
PC jmkool
player, 11 posts
Mon 8 Sep 2008
at 15:34
  • msg #26

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

Yep, like the Clone Wars.

If you take that approach, I full-heartedly agree with you.  Anakin's story is over.  However, I think they could find enough appropriate material to continue the stories of Luke and Leia.  But, once again, better of done as other movies....
PC meade352mxs
player, 20 posts
Sat 13 Sep 2008
at 06:50
  • msg #27

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

Quick question for you guys, and I put it in the EU as it deals with Corellia and such.

How much would a Corellian Sand Panther pelt, illegally taken, be worth?  How about an albino Sand Panther pelt?
PC brennanhawkwood
player, 10 posts
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 04:48
  • msg #28

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

Anyone pick up the Force Unleashed console game?  I gave in to the Dark Side and bought a copy for the Wii the other day...haven't gotten too far into it yet but it is pretty decent so far.  So far it is more along the lines of the JK2 games with a linear story rather than the more 'fluid' story line found in the KOTOR games.  The pure collateral damage you inflict using your force powers is pretty impressive.

Graphics are pretty decent on the Wii, though it does make me curious just how slick they must look on the XBOX360 and the PS3.
PC Vibetrippin
player, 6 posts
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 05:19
  • msg #29

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

the graphics look amazing on the PS3. I break things for no other reason than to watch them shatter.
PC rallenc82
player, 28 posts
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 08:31
  • msg #30

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

i haven't picked it up yet. I'm making myself read the Force Unleashed novelization before i play the game.
GM Palpatine
GM, 82 posts
Ruler of the Galaxy
Dark Lord of the Sith
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 10:23
  • msg #31

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I'm fully expecting it to look slightly less amazing on the PS2, but as that's the only console I have (and I can hardly afford to buy a new one), that's the game I'm getting - preordered about a week ago, for just over half the price I can expect to have to pay in stores here, and it should be here in a day or two, hopefully.  I'm pretty sure I'll go through the 'canon' LS ending first, before going DS and conquering the galaxy, and whatnot.  ;-)
PC Vibetrippin
player, 7 posts
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 13:11
  • msg #32

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

I hear you on not being able to afford a new console. Somebody had to die before I could afford mine.
PC BadCatMan
player, 10 posts
Only Imperial Storm
Troopers are so precise.
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 13:15
  • msg #33

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

My mum recently won AU$1000 for being the best at her job in the state - and decided to buy a Wii for the keep-fit games.

So how is Force Unleashed on the Wii? :) Is the lightsaber combat good with the Wii-controller?
PC brennanhawkwood
player, 11 posts
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 13:57
  • msg #34

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

PC BadCatMan:
My mum recently won AU$1000 for being the best at her job in the state - and decided to buy a Wii for the keep-fit games.

So how is Force Unleashed on the Wii? :) Is the lightsaber combat good with the Wii-controller?


It's pretty decent.  You don't literally control every move the saber (that wouldn't work real well), but you are able to trigger the general moves you want.  For instance, moving the wii remote left-to-right triggers a left-to-right stroke of your saber.

The biggest thing I am having a hard time mastering is flowing through all the different types of force abilities available to you.  Its kind of like some of the fight games: "do a three-swing saber combo followed by pressing A and moving the wii remote down".  On the other hand, I have been able to progress through the game and have fun even if I can't always get the fanciest moves to work.

The thing I find the most frustrating is the camera control.  Visually, I keep expecting the game to behave like JK2 when Katarn is using his lightsaber... basically an 3rd person FPS with fairly tight camera lock on you.  Its actually a lot looser than that with your character being able to move around on the screen console/fight-game style with the camera whipping around to reposition behind you after a brief delay.
PC rankaratar
player, 28 posts
Utinni!
Thu 18 Sep 2008
at 14:08
  • msg #35

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

PC BadCatMan:
My mum recently won AU$1000 for being the best at her job in the state - and decided to buy a Wii for the keep-fit games.

So how is Force Unleashed on the Wii? :) Is the lightsaber combat good with the Wii-controller?


So you're an Aussie as well? Good to see another mate from our drought-ravenged land.

I heard combat was the best on Wii. It's a pretty repetitive game and linear game though. KOTOR is fun as, if a bit slow and boring at times.
PC BadCatMan
player, 12 posts
Only Imperial Storm
Troopers are so precise.
Fri 19 Sep 2008
at 01:25
  • msg #36

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

Ugh, comboes and roving cameras. :( Though the lightsaber combat does sound fun.
PC rallenc82
player, 37 posts
Sun 5 Oct 2008
at 11:41
  • msg #37

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

So who all saw the first two episodes of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars animated series that was on Friday night?

What are people's thoughts about them?
GM Palpatine
GM, 113 posts
Ruler of the Galaxy
Dark Lord of the Sith
Sun 5 Oct 2008
at 11:48
  • msg #38

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

Having not seen the movie (yet), I wasn't really sure what I was getting into, watching them, but...  I found them surprisingly good.  I like the animation style, at least when it comes to the clones, droids, and most aliens involved.  I don't like Ahsoka very much, so the first episode was thus my favorite of the two.  :p

Decent show, and I'll probably catch some more episodes later on...  if I remember to.
GM Palpatine
GM, 114 posts
Ruler of the Galaxy
Dark Lord of the Sith
Sun 5 Oct 2008
at 22:37
  • msg #39

Re: Discussion - the Expanded Universe

Having finally gotten a chance to play through the PS2 version of The Force Unleashed, I have to say...  while it's flawed, it's pretty darn fun, and throwing one Stormtrooper into another never gets old!  :D  Didn't like how, after beating the game, you couldn't just play whichever mission you wanted to, though - you have to start over again to replay them, in order.  Since there were some levels I didn't care much for (both Felucia-stages come to mind here...), that hurt it's ability to be played more than once for me.  Also, dissapointing like nothing else, was the scene with the falling Star Destroyer...  which in the PS2 version is relegated to a single, short, non-interactive cutscene.  Urgh.

Still, despite flaws, it was a fun game, at least as long as you're fighting the 'nonheroic' minions.  Bosses tended to be pretty hard to actually hurt, what with being able to block pretty much every kind of attack you've got (throwing stuff at them was my most succesful attack, but that requires time, room, and enough stuff laying about to throw), but at the same time, I only died once while playing the game (in the fight against two Rancors), so I can't call it hard, as much as frustrating to take on the bosses.


...but, despite all that - fun!  :D
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