The Judge closed the previous OOC forum and opened this one.

First, an apology. The Judge made a mistake in the draw -- one that couldn't be overlooked as it could easily have changed the order for the next character to act (the woman labeled 'S').

That character has the Hesitant Hindrance and should have drawn two cards (using the lowest). After seeing Tommy's post, the Judge was about to have 'S' do an action when I realized the mistake.

Looking at the draw, 'S' would have gotten the Joker dealt to the Sharpshooter, if the Judge hadn't made this mistake -- that would have been her 2nd card. "Oh well, not redoing that," I thought. "Just pull another card and if 'S' gets lower, adjust the rest of the turn order."

Then, the Judge drew the 2nd Joker. No fooling. I trust you'll believe this tale, as tall as it might seem.

The Judge edited msg # 301 in Ch26.
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Additional: the 3 women are aligned in the same order as pictured in the Map #2 illustration.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 2):

I can't believe you're throwing a team of fantasy Saracen women at us!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 3):

What can you believe?

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 4):

Beginning to wonder if we're caught in a mass hallucination from the vapors that the tapestry showed... but let's see where it goes!

Tommy snuck in his interruption just in time. The Judge is fixing to post soon.

The Judge is walking through everything carefully while making die rolls and considering everything going on. You'll see some new die rolls (no longer secret) and will see the secret rolls made the other night before Tommy made rolls.

There's a lot to consider, so going slowly and double-checking things. Stay tuned.

Just in case this might have been overlooked in the long #310, calling out here.

The Judge gave one Benny in msg #264 and gave a second in msg # 308 of Ch26 (both after the first battle with the 5 newcomers).
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Waal, hell! Ain't it about time for some *friendly* hombres to step through that danged portal? :)

Spoilers.

Probably obvious, but the Judge is pausing to get Tracy's decision re: msg # 330 in Ch26.

The Barbarian and 'S' go next to finish out the round after that.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 11):

Forgot to say I love the 'Rifleman' edge. Watched that show (in reruns) when I was a kid.

If this was meant to bring to mind the way Chuck Conners fires that rifle in the opening credits I'd say it's perfect!

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 12):

Just the word "rifleman" brings the image of Conners to mind, for me.

The Judge started a new round and did two nonplayer actions. It's Tracy's turn, and Tommy would go next, unless he chooses to take the lower card (to gain the benefits of Calculating). Tough choice here, but the Judge needs Tommy to make the choice as soon as possible. Tracy can take his turn, but then we'll need Tommy's decision.

Tommy will go on Hold tomorrow morning.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 14):

So, the Judge decided to wait a little longer. Tommy RL is on vacation -- he's been good about keeping up with posts even while away from home, so I'd like to give a little more time. Plus, the next person to act is an opponent, so would prefer to give a player the chance to go first in such a round.

If I don't hear from Tommy overnight, he will go on Hold tomorrow (no foolin' this time).

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 15):

Tommy is now on Hold. The Judge is working on the post for 'A' right now.

FYI: I had finger surgery earlier this week and it's gotten infected so I have to go in the hospital for a day (or two) for an IV antibiotic. Posting might be very limited, but I'll do what I can with the phone app!

Wow, I hope all goes well. Thanks for the heads-up but no worries. Take care of yourself first.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 17):

Best wishes for a speedy and complete recovery!

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 19):

Thanks guys... I get to stay tonight too, hopefully busting out tomorrow!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 20):

Glad to hear that things are percolating along in the proper direction. Hope that you get to go home today.

I am of the firm opinion that hospitals are full of sick people, and that one should limit one's stay in them as much as possible! :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 21):

Yeah, seconded and thirded, Earnest. I hope you recover well.

Also, I wanted to apologize for my lack of posting recently. I've had a busy last few weeks, but I should be back to posting more regularly now.

In reply to Tracy Windham (msg # 22):

Thanks for the note about posting status, Mr. Windham.

As to the professor, I hope he's back in the home saddle by now. Understood if you need more time to get back to posting here. We're in a free-posting time now and there are Advances to take and things to consider, so there's no problem if you take some time before joining in again. Best wishes, redux.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 23):

Thanks for the good wishes all!

Got out of the Hospital Sun afternoon and have been working from home since because the doctor is having me soak/redress the wound every few hours! But they do want to try to save it so here's hoping!

I'm going to try to get back to posting regularly... it's just been a crazy week or so!

The Judge's comments about "Conviction" (Msg. #436 of the IC thread) are most revealing. And here I was, thinking that a conviction was how one ended up on a chain gang ["You shore 'nuff in a heap ah trouble now, boy" (spoken in the traditional "Southern sheriff" drawl)]. :)

I'll have to read up on it. Time is short at the moment, but I should be able to crack open the rule book later this evening.

On a much more serious note, I'm glad to hear that you are home now, Earnest. I surely do hope that the wound continues to improve, and that when all is said and done, full functionality and range of motion have been restored.
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 25):

Thank you sir!

Also FYI, I will work on Earnest's advance this long weekend.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 26):

Wishing you well Earnest and sending some good healing Support vibes your way for a full recovery.

I too have been busy in RL lately and haven't been posting as much as I want to. I will post my advance over the weekend.

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 27):

Thanks for checking in, Mr. Pearce.

I don't mean to be nosy, Earnest, but how is that finger coming along?

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 29):

No worries, ask away!

Had a hand dr visit yesterday... they're planning in-office surgery next Wed to move some skin to cover the wound (it's pretty much open right now). I have to change the dressing twice a day until then... still, that's better than having to soak it several times a day (which was keeping me home from work)!

After it heals from this coming surgery, they'll do another to either reattach the tendon or fuse the joint, depending on how things go.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 30):

Glad that Jake asked. I was also wondering, but didn't want to pry. I hope it all goes well, sir.

As for the game:

Tommy and Tracy have been MIA for a week ... looking to Earnest and Jake to move forward.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 31):

Hey pards!. Apologies for the radio silence the last week or so. I have now caught up on all of the action and really hope to be back to normal posting this week.

Huzzah!! I spy, with my little eye, a new player!

Welcome, Padre. I look forward to writing and gaming with you. :)

P.S. "Akubra" is not an especially well-known brand of headgear here in the U. S.

Would you happen to be an Aussie, sir? :)
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 34):

Thanks for the welcome!! I too look forward to the game! Nope not an aussie ;) just did research to get into character.

Although, I did eat at an outback once...
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In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 35):

Yes, we have a new player. Usually, the Judge alerts the current players when a new person is joining, but because of the current game circumstances it made more sense to introduce the new character without forewarning.

Welcome, Padre ... officially.

No, nothing Jake-specific about the tildes. You're certainly welcome to use them if you are so inclined.

I was just trying to come up with a different sort of punctuation (i.e., different from quotation marks) that would clearly delineate unspoken thoughts. Some GMs like for thoughts to be the same color as a PC's spoken words, and tildes make it easier to distinguish spoken and unspoken words. :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 37):

The longevity of this game is absolutely bonkers. It is so impressive. I mean its been going for YEARS. I cant even make it through a single monopoly game. Glad to be a part of it for sure.


~~He wonders if they believe his enthusiasm or if he is coming off as one of those little dogs that yip

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 38):

Oh, for sure. It seems like two out of three of the D&D games that I join on this site crash and burn (usually due to DM abandonment) within six months of start-up (usually sooner).

I joined this game several chapters in*, myself. :)

If you have an interest in the Old West, you can't go wrong with the Judge. I know a fair bit of history myself, but in terms of Western history, the Judge beats me, hands down. :)

PS. *After looking back on the closed threads, it looks like it would have been Chapter 9, or thereabouts.
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 39):

It's great to have players with a knowledge of the source material ( or in this case source setting). I will need to supplement my media fueled knowledge with internet research but what's a game without a little learning?!

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 40):

Welcome Padre! Jake is spot on about the Judge... Though we are in a slightly-alternate history world right now!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 41):

Thanks!  Idk it seems pretty accurate to me...
...maybe I had weird textbooks.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 42):

Well, one difference (alternate history-wise) that I can remember off the top of my head is that in our game, the French still control Mexico. IRL, they had pulled out by some time in the 1860's. So . . . although we have not bumped into them, in-game, we presumably have units of the French Foreign Legion (as well as French regulars, one would suppose) situated just across the border in Mexico.

Jake (IC) has a strongly-held delusion as to why the French are still holding onto Mexico, but I'll hold off and let Padre discover that, in-game.

Or, on second thought, maybe it isn't a delusion, and there really is a buried Templar treasure hoard somewhere hereabouts. :)
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 43):

Glad to have you, Padre! Very cool entrance to the game. I enjoyed it a lot.

In reply to Tracy Windham (msg # 44):

Thank you Tracy! All cap doffing to the judge of course!

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 45):

Belated welcome from me too Padre. Glad to have you onboard!

Another week I’ve been losing my battle with RL stuff, still hoping to get back to checking in everyday
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In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 46):

Very annoying when RL interferes with one's hobbies! :)

Things are going fairly slow here. If it's just RL priorities, NP. If it's something else, please chime in here. The Judge is moving ahead in Ch26 at this time.

So true Jake!


Judge: Yes for me it's just RL. I'm going to try changing my routine and logon in the mornings before work. This should make my posting more consistent

Woot!! We just hit 28,000 (public) posts. That is quite impressive for an RPoL game (most of my other games here on this site crash and burn within six months of launch, it seems).

Although we arguably all deserve a pat on the back, I am of the firm opinion that the largest dose of Kudos (if, indeed, that is how one measures such things; or, as Jake would put it, "the most bodacious atta-boy") should go to the Judge.

Well done, sir! :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 50):

Wow! Yes, congrats! 30K, here we come!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 51):

Seriously, from an outside perspective, a game this long has an intimidating richness that I am honored to be welcomed to! and from my short experience so far, the Judge is the chief reason!

There are more posts here than miles on my odometer..

Thanks, pards. Obviously, it takes a village to make this game successful. A tip of the hat to all the players past and present who added spice while going through the mill.

Hey, Earnest -- how is the injured finger doing, these days?

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 54):

Oh, pretty good... still attached! The skin is pretty much healed up but it's still a bit swollen and very stiff.

I'm in the fun PT zone: "Let's see how much we can get it to move today!"

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 55):

Glad that Jake asked the question. I also meant to follow-up but it got away from me. No excuses, I just forgot.

Thanks for the update, Earnest. Best wishes on the PT progress.

BTW, the Judge didn't intend to squash any role-playing in Chapter 6 regarding speaking to RS and each other. Kudos to the professor for pushing forward.

Please feel free to post as you wish; my goal was to avoid wasting time trying to get RS to answer questions he can't answer, when, again, he isn't the key to the adventure.

Wishing all on this Board (and their families) a happy and safe Thanksgiving. :)

Thank you, sir. And thanks to all the players for keeping this game alive.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 59):

Happy Thanksgiving all! Hope everyone had a wonderful day!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 60):

Happy Thanksgiving everyone, hope it was a good one.

Love the names that Padre has given his two revolvers ("Repentance" and "Retribution"). Well-played, sir! :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 62):

Thank you sir! If one doesnt get you the other one will!

I like the appellations, too. Adds good flavor.

FYI, the Judge is pausing briefly in case anyone wants to chime in re: the professor's suggestions for travel back into the caves. The Judge will move forward within 24 hours, using Earnest's suggestion unless anyone objects or suggests something else.

Well-played, Tracy. I had forgotten all about the 'shrooms. If they don't kill the PCs, they'll quite possibly send them along on an 1870's Magical Mystery Tour.

Where's an opium den when you need it?

Maybe our Perfesser is the symbolic progenitor of Dr. Timothy Leary. Who knew? :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 65):

LOL!

As noted previously, the Judge figures our progress will slow over holiday season. NP, please continue free posting in the game forum as you like. The Judge will, too, although my frequency of posting may change for a few days next week.

The RP about the caves and especially now the spider cave is quite interesting. The group should take as much RL time as desired to put together a plan for the third foray into the spider's alcove -- this time with specific objectives.

Meanwhile, just posting my note from the game forum about Tommy's status in the game. He's been logging in and keeping up with posts based on the Judge's RL knowledge, but has't posted himself in almost a month. The Judge has been in contact with Tommy in PM/DM and is following up to see where things stand. Hoping Tommy can continue playing, even if he needs a break.

Merry Christmas and Happy Hanukkah to everyone. Wishing the Joys of the Season to all.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 68):

Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, and a very Happy, Prosperous New Year to you all!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 69):

Happy Holidays and a Merry Merry to all!

Happy New Year to all.

The Judge has heard from both Tommy and Tracy, who have been posting minimally in the last few weeks. Both have had RL challenges lately, but both are expected to continue in the game.

Both need to make Athletics rolls for preparing makeshift armor, before we continue.

The Judge hopes other characters will resume posting in the game forum in the coming week. moving forward to the third foray into the spider cave after Tommy and Tracy make their rolls and resume participation.

In reading back over the Messages pertaining to the previous fight against the spiders, it looks like a lot of stomping was indulged in by the heroes. Also, since the number of lanterns is limited, the pards fashioned some torches to wave at the spider-horde.

Also, Tommy dug some shallow ditches that were filled with lantern oil. I'm not sure if we have enough extra lantern-oil to attempt this particular tactic this time around.

I've lost track (a little) of our in-game prep-work. Have we (IC) fashioned torches in preparation for this go-'round against the spiders? Do we want to consider ditches?

Thanks.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 72):

Earnest has gathered wood from the hidden valley, see his last post for his proposed plan. Having torches as well is a good idea!

The Judge doesn't recall, and didn't find in his skimming of Ch25 posts, Tommy digging any ditches for the oil. Pearce did spill oil and light it, but if there was a reference to ditches, the Judge is missing it. Please cite a specific message number if you know it. That said, there would be little time to dig any kind of ditches beforehand, as the spiders will likely emerge and engage with such activity going on. Depending on the precedent from earlier scenes, the Judge is inclined to allow attempts to create a shallow ditch during the combat sequence, as an action (digging with the heel of a boot, or with an axe or spade or whatever, probably an Athletics roll). Again, that will be an action during the turn in which any character tries it.

The Judge will allow fashioning of torches, although same as last time, the use of some oil is required to make them easily usable, as are scraps of cloth or other flammable material. Because the same sort of material is needed for the exercise of creating makeshift armor -- and that was the priority based on earlier posts and rolls already made -- the Judge is ruling that the characters can make no more than two torches. Padre has also mentioned that he has a torch, slightly used.

The characters must state who is using a torch and who is holding lit lanterns, upon entering the spider alcove. Similar to one of the Judge's posts in previous scenes, this can happen as people act -- the first person to state they have a torch will indeed have one of the two. It's up to Padre whether he uses his own, or gives it to someone else.

Are characters ready to move forward? The Judge is expecting a Ch26 post from someone to get things started, following the professor's suggested course of action -- or going rogue and saying "I'm going in" sort of like Tracy did last time.

After recent posts in Ch26 and now Tommy’s post asking the soldier James to go in first, it seems the heroes are ready to proceed. The Judge plans to start things off with the soldier’s entry, unless anyone objects or offers an alternative start within the next 24 hours.

Re: Earnest's question about wounds

Jake still has one, as best the Judge and I can figure. I'm pretty sure that he picked it up during the dust-up with those curly-wolf female barbarians.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 76):

Thanks, Jake.

The Judge is looking back to the end of the battles in the rope bridge cavern to verify who still had Wounds after all Healing was attempted in the aftermath. Current recollection is that Jake is correct about his lingering Wound. Not sure if anyone else still had Wounds after those battles. Natural Healing in SWADE requires 5 days, so it hasn't been long enough for anyone who still has Wound(s) from those battles.

If any other player knows his status, please speak up.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 77):

Upon review, citing Ch26 msg 413-414, both Jake and Tracy have 2 Wounds from the battles in the rope bridge cavern.

Jake has Nerves of Steel, so he suffers only –1 to current dice rolls. His Athletics roll would have been 5–1=4, so he still gets +1 to Toughness for armor per the Judge's post #660 in Ch26.

Tracy doesn't have anything to mitigate the negative modifiers for 2 Wounds, so he is –2 all dice rolls. His Athletics roll would have been 11–2=9, so he still gets +2 to Toughness for armor per the Judge's post #660 in Ch26.

The Judge asks both players to remember these negative modifiers for all dice rolls until any further Healing can occur. This may also impact how the characters participate in the encounter with the spiders.

If anyone believes the Judge is mistaken in these conclusions, please speak up.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 78):

Roger that. I have edited Jake's "Character Profile" to reflect that he has two Wounds.

The Judge has a question out to Earnest about building the fires (who, when). The Judge will post narrative later today to get things started after getting an answer or making a reasonable assumption if the professor doesn't answer.

The Judge decided to pause a little longer for a reply from Earnest. We will definitely move forward today.

Note: the Judge has been reviewing the previous encounters and wants to clarify a couple of things for all.

Both time previously, the spiders didn’t begin to swarm until someone ascended the first ledge above the alcove.

In the 2nd encounter, after Tracy entered alone and stomped madly before exiting the alcove, the spider swarm receded once the investigator took a few steps out of the alcove back into the big cavern.

Neither time did any significant number of spiders exit their cave. Both times they attacked when someone ascended. The heroes cannot be certain, but they realize they might be able to build and set the fires (or dig ditches) in the alcove before the spiders swarm and attack. However, the heroes don’t know for sure what causes the swarm to attack. Could be proximity or could be activity.

The Judge is asking for clarification from Earnest as to where he plans to build the fires and who is helping him. James is ready to try to draw the swarm out to the fires when he is told to, but no one is certain whether the soldier will need to ascend the ledge for that to happen. It’s possible that the spiders will swarm when the men build the fires. The Judge needs to have a better idea of the heroes intended starting point and prefers not to assume too much.

This can be answered with a game post, with Earnest starting the work and clarifying these points, giving instructions and so forth. The Judge will follow up and draw Action Cards at the appropriate time. If Earnest doesn’t reply this morning, or other heroes don’t take the lead, the Judge will make a starting assumption and players can adjust and continue.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 82):

Thanks to the professor for his Ch26 # 669 post. The Judge is assuming everyone is ready and will post narrative soon to get things moving. Players may feel free to make any non-action posts in response to the professor, as well, but the Judge isn't waiting for any further replies.

To reiterate, because the characters made a priority of the makeshift armor over torches, and are trying to conserve oil, the Judge has ruled that only two torches can be fashioned. Tommy's roll was successful -- he created two. Padre has one, so that means 3 torches total, one for each man on the line ready to light the fires.

Based on previous posts and other considerations, the Judge sees it this way:

Tracy has a torch, Padre has a torch, Jake has a torch.

Earnest focuses on getting the small pyres ready. James is ready to ascend or otherwise try to draw the spiders down to the alcove. Tommy has his makeshift brooms ready to try to sweep spiders toward the fires or towards Danielle, who has a sack ready and is focusing on capturing the "ethereal spiders."

The Judge and Pearce exchanged PMs yesterday about "interrupting" vs. simply coming off Hold to take a turn before the swarm.

The Judge was anticipating a post from Pearce, but perhaps he decided to wait.

So the Judge will post soon and if Tommy does wish to attempt to interrupt, we'll deal with that as it happens.

Tommy posted shortly after the Judge. Taking a little time to think about The mechanic’s action and their affects, but as it appears Tommy didn’t make a roll to interrupt, the Judge is inclined to conclude that Tommy took his turn after the swarm turn. That’s not a bad thing.

The Judge has alerted Tommy that it’s his turn unless he intended to wait for the Calculating bonus again.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 86):

Tommy will go 5th before the swarms turn. I may need a few hours before posting

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 87):

Thanks for the update. Since you posted before the 24 hours, we'll wait a few more hours ... if the Judge doesn't see anything by tomorrow morning, Tommy will go on Hold.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 88):

I really love the dice roller. Just really good stuff. Just the absolute best thing around right now. Big fan.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 89):

A SWADE game is much more fun when you embrace the suck of the Critical Failure. It's going to happen. It's part of SWADE, not the dice roller's fault. I roll Crit Fails as a player in other games, regularly enough, with physical dice and different dice rollers.

When you accept the CF results as the part of the chaos of combat, just like you celebrate the Ace rolls that beat an enemy or resolve a situation, the game is more fun.

The Judge tips his hat to Juhasz, as Padre’s narration of the CF did an excellent job of embracing the moment.

Nice, Tommy and Earnest!

Between the two of you, I think you just swept half of the spiders into the fire, swept the other half into Faraday's bag and tied a ribbon on the top for her, then both did hand-stands and double-somersaults and came up smiling. :)

After rolling swarm 2's free attack against the professor, the Judge is pausing for the player's choice in whether to make a Soak roll for Wounds taken.

Stand by.

The professor made his Soak roll and communicated with the Judge in PM.

The Judge will follow-up before long today, taking the turn for the swarms, taking the turn for Faraday and James to end the round, and drawing new cards for the next round.

Stay tuned, because it's possible other characters will need to make Soak rolls -- or will draw high cards in the next round and be on the clock for their turns.

Tommy misused Calculating on recent roll. The GM sent PM about this and is waiting for Tommy to respond. He has options per his previous usage of Calculating; so giving him a chance to make the most of his action before adjudicating and taking the swarms’ turn.

Tommy added a stomp roll ... the Judge will post Monday a.m.

Going on vacation in RL for a week pards. Will be back to regular posting on presidents day!

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 97):

Enjoy, and we'll see you on the other side! :)

Hopefully, the event that gives rise to the epiphany won't be another horde of them spie-ders.

Hmmm . . . there's a question for a wordsmith, as I know the Judge to be. Is a "horde" different from a "swarm"? My guess, without consulting our friends at MW, is that a horde is bigger, and hence, worse in this context.

Now a hoard, on the other hand, is a subject that is near and dear to the Texican's heart . . . :)

Welcome back, Padre. Hope that you had a great vacation. :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 100):

Thank you, Sir! It was needed and great and more than 0 times I thought back to the abandoned Horsemen in the caves.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 101):

To echo Jake, welcome back, Padre.

The Judge is giving another 18 hours or so for Tracy or Tommy to post a Support roll for Faraday's attempt to analyze the tapestry. Currently, the bonus is +3 (from Earnest and Padre). The Judge will make Faraday's roll and post narrative tomorrow morning.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 101):

Yeah, glad to hear it was a good vaca!

WRT msg #780... So I know Jake and Tracy have wounds, does Tommy have any? Who has the most (Jake I think)?

Earnest will do healing support rolls, that is one roll per wounded player, right?

Correct re: one Support roll for each Wounded character.

The Judge believes both Tracy ank Jake have 2 Wounds. No one else.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 105):

Thanks to the professor for making the Support rolls for Tracy's and Jake's natural healing rolls.

As it stands, the professor's Support bonuses offset the players' penalties for the Wounds. Tracy had –2, so Earnest's +2 makes that net zero; Jake had –1 (Nerves of Steel negating one point of Wound penalty), so the +1 makes it net zero as well.

Anyone else have an idea for a Support roll? If so, please make it soon. If not, that's fine because maybe there simply isn't a viable Trait roll to Support in this situation, but please post a quick note here to decline, so the Judge and the two players will know when to move forward with those natural healing (Vigor) rolls.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 106):

Thanks, Perfesser! Much appreciated, Pard! :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 107):

PM-ing the judge for a clarification..

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 108):

The Judge replied (and added an important edit about 30 seconds later, regarding Survival being a valid skill for Support of natural healing. Please see the full edited message, Padre.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 109):

Done and Done.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 107):

Happy to oblige!

Giving Tommy some extra time to post a Support roll, but the Judge will move on tomorrow morning, regardless.

Technically, Tracy and Jake could Support each other as well, although they will have their current penalties in play for any Support rolls ...

Tommy, thanks for making your Support rolls; however, it appears you made one roll too few or misapplied the Elan bonus or ... not sure.

Usually, a Support roll is required for each action being Supported. Like Earnest and Padre did, that's one Support roll for Jake's natural healing and one roll for Tracy's. It looks like Tommy rolled one time at the base level (unclear for whom by the dice roller note, but probably for Jake since the first Benny reroll note in Ch26 post # 784 is listed for Jake) and then used two Bennies to reroll with Elan's +2 for each of the two Wounded pards.

The Judge made a roll on behalf of Pearce, before fully realizing the implications of the total accumulation of Support bonuses. So please disregard the Judge's roll, it's moot.

To keep things moving, here is the Judge's ruling:

Tommy rolled first for Jake, got a success (+1 to Jake) and then used a Benny to reroll with Elan. That resulted in a raise, so Jake gets +2 to Support. That gives Jake a total of +4 (+1 from Earnest, +1 from Padre, +2 from Tommy). Since Jake has –1 for his Wounds (–2 reduced to –1 for Nerves of Steel), the result is a net +3 to his Vigor roll for natural healing.

Tommy then rolled for Tracy -- and the Judge is ignoring the +2. With or without the +2 for Elan, the result is a success, which gives +1 to Tracy. A Benny reroll is moot, because Tracy already has the max +4 for Support after Tommy's roll (+2 from Earnest, +1 from Padre, +1 from Tommy). Since Tracy has –2 for his Wounds, the result is a net +2 to his Vigor roll for natural healing.

The Judge and players can continue conversation and narrative while anticipating the rolls from both players.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 113):


This is my follow-up message to # 803 in the Ch 26 game forum. In that post, I asked that we conduct some conversation here before the heroes go to the final scene of this adventure and finish the chapter.

I'm purposely leaving some things vague, as it doesn't impact the game. Other things we'll clarify here as needed.

Tracy and Earnest will simply need to sit in the circle, partake of the potation, and concentrate on a mantra (it can be spoken or thought). They will be making rolls as part of a Dramatic Task, which will last no more than 5 rounds. The Judge will explain more about the mechanics of the task, later. This will add to the drama, and give the Judge opportunities to provide fun narrative as the characters experience the ritual.

The Judge understands that Jake, Padre, and Tommy have agreed NOT to drink the potation but rather to stand guard while the others perform the ritual. The players can decide for themselves where they position themselves, what their combined plan of action is, etc. Essentially, they can be on the entry side of the bridge, on the bridge, or on the ritual side of the bridge with the portal wall. They will also participate in the Dramatic Task, but their rolls will be different than Tracy and Earnest.

The Judge has decided to make a change from Tracy's Vigor roll, and rule that all Wounds are healed. Resting for a couple of nights and essentially doing nothing else should give a bonus, and Tracy only missed a raise by 1.

Per Ch26 msg 803, the Judge has asked players to post here for a spell. I'd like to see more regular posting as we do this final scene and 5-round Dramatic Task. I've requested posts here so we can ensure everyone knows the deal and is ready to go, in terms of the character being ready and the player being ready. Be honest about your likely posting frequency. For convenience, here are the action items from 803, with some extra afterthoughts.

1. Reset Bennies to starting session total (3, plus or minus if you have Edges or Hindrances that change the starting number).
   
2. Take 1 Advance and update your character sheet to indicate such. Must be something relevant to the adventure in the caves, or building on something you already in the character. For example, taking a new language doesn't make sense but taking Improved Nerves of Steel when you already had the regular version does. I want to keep things moving but we don't have to rush. As long as people are posting here and keeping each other updated, you can take a few days to think about the Advance. Likewise, if you don't have time to think about it, you can just hold it until later, after the DT.
   
3. Follow-up on the Judge's subsequent post in OOC re: next steps and content in the game narrative below. Again, the Judge isn't in a rush. This is an effort to set some expectations for playing the final scene, agree (or debate) how we're going about it, and then go back to the full RP for the final scene, with fully recovered characters equipped with a new Advance.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 114):

I should be able to do these updates this weekend.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 115):

Excellent, thanks for the reply.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 114):

I will make these updates today! Look out for a PM as I may have a question or two about how some things work :)

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 117):

Thanks, Padre. I'll check PMs during the day.

Looking forward to see other replies ...

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 114):

Tracy got the Nerves of Steel Edge as his advance. After everything he had to do with those Wounds, I think he's gotten used to fighting through the pain.

I reset the Bennies as well.

As far as the rest of the reply, I'm unsure about number 3 in your post, Judge. Am I supposed to offer more ideas about the DT? I'm up for what you've outlined so far.

In reply to Tracy Windham (msg # 119):

Thanks for the post, Tracy. Nerves of Steel makes good sense in the current situation.

For number 3, the Judge is simply asking players to chime in if they have any thoughts, especially since the Judge is making assumptions -- such as the idea that Faraday would lead and the five player characters are willing to accept the terms.

It could be as simple as "all good" or you could voice any concerns or ask questions about the Ch26 post and whatever is discussed here in OOC.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 120):

Updates Made and Bennies reset - RIP 2 bennies.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 121):

Padre is open to any strategy, including being on the far side of the bridge, or right next to the portal, whichever the Horsemen deem appropriate. Otherwise, Padre is ready to go, I believe.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 114):

Items #1 and #2 resolved (please see my PM for my choice re: the Texican's next Edge/Advance).

Re: the ritual, Jake would be interested in discussing whether the pards who will actually be participating in the ritual should be effectively counted out of participation any sort of troublesome situation that might arise during or in the near-term aftermath of the ritual.

Jacob is analogizing the situation to one in which the Perfesser and Wool-verine surrender themselves to the mental fogs and altered reality of an opium den, which would render them hors de combat (or hors much of anything requiring mental acuity) [my (OOC) word -- not Jake's, IC] for some limited period of time.

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OOC: Re-posted here -- I originally (and incorrectly) posted in the Chapter 26 IC thread.
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 123):

This was Padres understanding. Those that partook of the potation would need protection from those of us who didn't.

Padre wonders, after Mr Richardsen's comment, if perhaps we should have a horsemen stand by each of the potation drinkers in much the same way we were standing by a pyre each.

Padre and Jake's musings are important. Because of Padre's post -- without giving away anything that the pards don't yet know -- the Judge will reiterate something posted recently in Ch 26:

Ch26 msg #780 (see the message for more)

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 125):

Reset benny count and advance taken (Judge to approve)

I was thinking generally along the same lines: that those drinking the potation will be temporarily in a trance or haze due to the potation itself or due to the mental work of keeping the portal open. In the latter case maybe they would be restored to normal as soon as it closes.
-- Just speculating not asking the judge to reveal details --

I like Padre's idea of each of us guarding the pards one-on-one but I think that would mean all of us on the portal side of the bridge together which I'm thinking is not a great tactic. I was also thinking maybe one of us should hide as the portal opens to get the jump on any beings coming through.

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 126):

Bennies reset and character updated (after discussion with the Judge).

I would not think working the portal would make you woozy very long... after all, everyone that has come through seemed right on their game! There may be an experience factor involved, but I doubt even a novice (like us) would be affected long.

Like Tommy, just speculation for now, but these are the kind of questions Earnest would ask once we get down to details. Let's wait until we learn more before deciding on our positioning. Personally I think the others should be on the other side of the bridge to give them a better chance... Tracy and Earnest are armed, so if we clear up fast we can start fighting if needed; but if we take the task to heart we can hopefully just close the portal before anything comes our way!

Thanks to all for following up on the Judge's requests. Looks like everyone has reset Bennies and done the Advance (with some finalizing with the Judge in one case).

Good conversation about the ritual vs. guarding the ritual.

Things Faraday clarifies -- including and starting with the Judge's post # 125 in this forum:

• Everyone except Jake, Tommy, and Padre will drink the potation (the participants).
• During the ritual, Faraday expects the six participants to concentrate on the mantra, while visualizing the opening of the portal. When asked if they could concentrate and do something else, like defend themselves, Faraday shrugs. "That's a last resort."
• The six participants will gather around Richardsen's cooking pot on the portal side of the bridge. The three Guardians can all be there, too, as suggested, although the semicircle has a radius of about four yards, so it isn't a large space. There is really no place to hide on the portal side, except to stand near the smooth stone wall at the edge of the canyon on one side or the other like Tracy did in combat there. That's where the portal opens, so maybe that would enable hiding. Possibly, you could hide near the rope bridge, or just on the bridge before it lands on the portal semicircle.
• It takes two rounds to cross the bridge. Running can shorten that, potentially.
• Faraday expects the potation to have a mind and body effect. She isn't sure if any after-effects may persist, but for the duration of the ritual, the participants are likely to feel ... erm, strange.

Please continue your conversations here, as desired. It sounds like we're nearly ready to resume ... please post an "I'm ready" here. That will also give the Judge another indicator of timeliness as we proceed to the game narrative and dice-rolling over the 5-round Dramatic Task.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 128):

Padre is going to be annoying for clarity because Padre is confused : The "six participants" is who exactly?

Because if it includes Jake, Tommy, and Padre, it sounds like all of us will be on the portal side of the bridge and unable to defend ourselves or take action until the portal is opened. Is this correct?

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 129):

Faraday, James, Theo, Alejandro -- all 4 who need to pass through the portal
Earnest, Tracy -- 2 who need to close the portal.

Reread my quote in msg # 125. Anyone who wants to pass through the portal must drink the potation and participate in the ritual, according to Faraday.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 130):

After re-reading the relevant posts, I have a few more questions:
1) In Ch26, msg # 786, did Faraday actually refer to "Ley lines"? If so, then Earnest, who has heard of such things through his history research, would inquire about their nature.
2) Does Faraday know how Alejandro's group and the she-wolves detected that our portal was open? Is there any way to hinder that detection?
3) Does she think the potation effects would affect fighting, if needed?

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 131):

1) Yes, Faraday referred to ley lines, but the Judge questions whether Earnest would know that term. It is a 20th century term ... possibly, Earnest could make a connection to something from his research. Roll Academics.

2) Faraday knows how she detected it -- from her portal. That's not something you need to know for the ritual, she notes. She doesn't know a way to hinder detection when the portal is opened in this world. "When the explosion opened the portal, it was obvious to us, and clearly others."

3) Faraday assumes the effects will help to focus them on the task. If the participants focus on fighting instead of the task -- or attempt to do both -- she believes the ritual becomes more difficult.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 128):

Jake will have spent the down-time resting and gradually recovering from the dust-up with the curly-wolf she-tigers [a bit of metaphor-mixing here, but in the Texican's mind, the dust-up and re-lated pore-tal shenanigans gives a second meaning to the "Bucking the Tiger" (sometimes referred to as "Grab the Tiger by the Tail") term that would be familiar to those of that place and time who had played Faro], along with cleaning and oiling Widder-Maeker.

He will have announced that he's "bright-eyed, bushy-tailed, an' rarin' to go" whenever everyone else is ready to, well . . . buck the tiger . . . again. :)

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 132):

Keeping the same numbering:

1) Interesting, I did not know that was a modern term, Earnest would still have asked about them though; here's the roll:
06:50, Today: Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg rolled 6,9 using d8,d6, rerolling max with rolls of 6,(6+3)9.  Academics - Connect 'ley line' term.

2) "Obvious", but only when you 'looked' right? I takes a deliberate act to see if a portal is open? If so, then I think we'd have a good chance of getting you through and closing the portal before anyone else 'notices'...

3) Earnest is more concerned with after the ritual. If they close the portal but someone else ends up coming through would they be able defend immediately?

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 134):

1) The professor had never heard the term "ley line" used by Faraday, but he understands the context. It reminds him of something from antiquity called "geomancy," and he recalls reading something about a Reverend Duke, who some 30 years ago had observed that some prehistoric monuments and medieval churches aligned with each other.

2) Faraday sighs. "Yes, perhaps. The thing is ... evidence tells us that people ARE looking. We were. Alejandro's people were, the she-wolves were ..." Faraday says, trailing off.

3) If this is a question for Faraday, the scientist shrugs and says the professor's postulation is as good as hers.

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OOC: The professor has the Judge thinking about a new Hindrance:

Inquisitive (Minor or Major)
The character has a penchant for asking a lot of questions, sometimes too many. As a Minor Hindrance, the character ....

Although, I guess it's really just a Quirk ... (this is all in fun, the Judge has no problems with Earnest's questions).
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In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 135):

Ha! Let's just say I like to find out how deep your adventure design goes!

I believe Earnest is ready to move on at this point!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 136):

It's an interesting point, Earnest. The Judge shall share a little.

In general, when I start a new adventure in this game, I have a broad idea. I keep a few probable outcomes in mind, and things I think would be fun to do (like Swarms), while trying not to force a particular path at first. Sometimes I use content from DHR titles, but even so, I always have a short list of differences or "forks in the road" ... some of which get developed here and some which don't. We pretty much played Hidden Canyon as written, for example, with tangents and expanded scenes based on the characters' choices.

When I see what the characters are doing, I zoom in on certain incidents, do some additional research, and think of the next set of probable outcomes. Sometimes, you all surprise me, but because this game runs slowly I always have time to think, research, and develop the next scenes. Even if it's a hard right turn.

More recently ... the Judge had broad ideas for a follow-up to Hidden Canyon. Once the players agreed to a little more weirdness, the Judge started rolling out some of those ideas. I had a sketch of the big cavern and preliminary notes about stuff that could be there, and why. Still, it wasn't fully thought out at the time. Even initially, I could have used some of my ideas in some way even if we were to play it as a Traditional Western adventure -- with some adaptations. Of course, it is fully-baked now; this is the last scene coming up.

When you ask deeper questions, I simply dig a little deeper myself into what we have established together in this game or what I have fleshed out previously. I research some more and respond to your question as best I can within the internal logic that's in my head about the adventure. Often, that response comes from an nonplayer's perspective, so the Judge can get away with some inconsistencies over time ... "well, that's what Faraday thinks, but actually ...." Sometimes, I adapt things to happen just because a character suggested it could (can you say "old-timey knights treasure?"). It might not look exactly the way character framed it, but the Judge is influenced by stuff like that. And so I weave it in.

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This is a connected topic: after we finish this chapter, the Judge would like to resume a more Traditional Western game. Heroes go back to town vowing to keep the Secrets of the Caves to themselves (for whatever reasons the characters can agree to). Whereupon they learn of their next adventure. I have a broad idea in mind ....

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 137):

Tommy is ready to go.

Thanks Judge for the peek behind the curtain. I appreciate all the thought and energy you put into making these adventures so rich and interesting and just plain fun. This has definitey been one wild and mind blowing adventure for the pards.

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 138):

Padre is also ready to go, having cleaned his pistols and prayed. Although still unsure if we decided on a plan. Padres suggestion of guarding those each by each does not seem as wise as having a few of us stationed across the bridge. Shall we plan out how the non participants in the ritual will ready themselves?

OOOOC: (Out of Out of character) I also really appreciate the peak behind the curtain and definitely appreciate the professors desire to push the boundaries of the GM's design.

Now, let's go find that old-timey knight's treshure!

(I jest know it's gotta be here somewhaeres . . .)

Tracy listens to his pards converse, but he has no thoughts to add. He knew his role; he would focus on the ritual and the ritual alone. He trusted his friends to have his back.

OOC:

I'm ready! I'm excited to see what happens next.

Thanks to all for doing the character updates, resets, and "OOC" discussion. Figured it would take a little time get it all sorted.

Within a day or so, you'll see a post in the Ch26 to resume.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 142):

I also appreciate the insight into the Judge's workings "behind the curtain"!

Looking forward to this final scene!

Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain.
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Judge,

My recollection is that the portal will open (and hopefully be closed) near the flat area on the far side of the bridge. Is there enough room (space) available within this flat area for the three guards to take up a "close support" position? Is there any cover within or near to the flat area that will provide a vigilant man a clear view of the portal?

Finally, how much space is there between where the spot where portal will open and the ritual area [i.e., if some or all of the guards might wish to consider taking up "blocking positions" in order to keep anyone (or anything, I suppose) that comes through the portal from reaching those who are participating in the ritual]?

Obviously, my "theater of the mind" view of the tactical area is a bit fuzzy. :)

Thanks.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 145):

Understood. Most of these questions are framed by a single fact:

The semicircle of the portal landing is only a few yards in radius. Let's say it's actually 6 yards, a slight adjustment from earlier notes and Ch26 posts, in which I said roughly 4 yards, to make this scene slightly easier to play out.

The smooth wall is where the portal opens, on the long side of the semicircle (12 yards long). So the farthest point away from the wall is ... 6 yards. The explanation for the change -- you had estimated 4-5 yards but now using the space for the ritual makes it more important to get a more precise measurement.

There is zero cover on that landing. The only place were a body could have cover and still see the wall/portal is the bridge itself (somewhere on it). Jake estimates light cover at best. The bridge connects on the midpoint of right arc of the semicircle (not the middle of the semicircle). As you know from before, if you have light on the portal side, you can see the portal landing from the other side and fire ranged weapons across at targets over there. It's not cover, per se, but seems a relevant point for a reminder from the earlier battles.

Depending on where the group puts the cookpot, there could be space where you could try to block passage. If the six people formed a semicircle around it -- on the curved edge of the landing -- there would be some space in between the cookpot and the wall for guards to "block" the ritual participants. Similarly, if you put the cookpot toward the right or left of the semicircle, then guards could stand alongside it, potentially blocking it. Either way, it will be tight quarters with nine people over there.

Faraday would be amenable if Jake or someone said "let's all walk across now, and then figure out the spacing before we take final positions" (in Jake's idiom, of course, iffin it were him to say it). The Judge would drop the expectation of setting positions before the ritual team crosses if it's helpful to the players.

I could also draw a rough map with the above measurements. It might make it easier to think about, if you could see the number of squares in the space. Earlier, I really wanted to avoid a map and moving tokens around it (preferred theater of the mind then because of the circumstances). Earlier, we never had more than 6 or 7 people on the semicircle at once. Since the group has been there before and now understands some of the tactical considerations (light, not much cover, small space), if it's helpful, we can use a sketch map, similar to the one we used in the silver cave with the wolverines.

LMK what you (plural) think helps.

Unsure if since the post in the main thread was made, the conversation should continue here or there. Will post here just in case.

Padre is willing,  since he is equipped with two six shooters to be a close guard on the portal platform. We could set a lantern down to illuminate the are to allow both hands to protect. If mobility, though limited due to the 6 yard radius, is preferred, padre can hold a lantern and Repentance. Which will also allow a rifle wielder to see what they may be aiming at from a bit farther.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 147):

If we're getting deep into logistical questions / discussion as opposed to narrative or speech, do it here. If it's part of the narrative, post in the game forum. The main reason the Judge asked to do stuff here was to conserve messages in the game forum until the group returned to the rope bridge cavern.

Your msg # 147 here is fine. You could also have posed this in character (IC), similar to what Earnest did in asking Faraday a question.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 148):

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 148):

Judge - The detailed description of the landing is very helpful but battle a map would be great to make sure we are all "seeing" the same scenario as things get interesting

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For what it's worth Tommy's thoughts on strategy/tactics are this:

-Blocking the bridge entrance with the cooking pot and ceremony participants could stop intruders easily getting off the platform. Keeping the fight in front of the pards

- In this setup Faraday and other travelers would face the bridge and have backs to the smooth wall but would have an unimpeded run for the portal once it was open.
- The pards drinking the potion would be on the bridge and just in front of the large posts securing it to the landing. They would still be within the circle and chanting as required as the circle would be tangent to the bridge-landing dividing line. This way they have a clear view of the portal in front of them for closing it immediately the others are through.
- The 3 pards guarding would take position on the "sides" of the circle between the two above groups enabling a defense of the bridge entrance and the potion drinkers and an easy retreat back across if needed.
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In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 149):

Thanks for weighing in, Tommy. This message is a good example of OOC I'd prefer to see in this forum, just to conserve message count in Ch26.

Re: Jake and Padre's "not sure" so far, all good. If it's IC speech in the moment, like Jake and Earnest are doing, Ch26 is definitely the right place. If it's more from player perspective such as "my thoughts are" like Tommy's post--and the players want to discuss in OOC--this forum is better.

Re: Map, this does require a few steps on my part to set it up and keep it updated as we play. The Judge is willing and able; just didn't want to set up a map and update it during the DT unless players say it will help, especially since such a map would be crude and not visually interesting. Functional but boring, in other words.

Since a couple of you have said (paraphrased) "map would be helpful," the Judge will make a sketch and post it in the Game Map section, soon.

Re: Pearce's idea ... Faraday says she hadn't considered setting up the cookpot in that fashion. Mimicking the professor, she rubs her chin. After considering the idea, Faraday says she says she believes such a scheme wouldn't pose any problems for the ritual itself. The participants need to be near the portal, and the Irishman's plan would meet that need. If the Watchers--to use Jake's word--favor this plan, it's okay with her.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 150):

Padre is itching to get a better sense of the area with a crude drawing as well before finalizing his opinion ,but Mr Pearce's plan sounds good to him.

The Judge has updated Game Map for Group 1. Depending on your browser, you might need to clear your image cache to see the new map.

Considering Tommy's plan, Tracy briefly worries about the danger of sitting on the bridge itself for himself and Earnest. However, he agrees to the mechanic's plan. There wasn't a better way to set the cookpot in front of the bridge while still giving his pards enough room to defend the ritualists.

Re the map: Thanks, Judge, it's a very helpful frame of reference. I actually had not realized that the bridge connected to an arc of the platform closer to the wall. I had always envisioned it right in the middle.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:31, Sat 25 Mar 2023.

Glad the map is helpful.

It seems like there is some agreement on the plan proposed by Pearce, although everyone hasn't weighed in explicitly.

The Judge is going to update the map based on current understanding of that idea, and look for feedback here. Look for another message later today, in Ch26.

Please keep OOC information here, if you are simply agreeing or disagreeing with the plan or commenting on the setup of the cookpot and the participants. Meanwhile, feel free to post any IC narrative or dialogue in Ch26.

The Judge got sidetracked yesterday. Updated map and post coming soon.

As noted in Ch26, there's a new version of the map (Game Map for Group 1) for discussion. It is NOT the actual configuration until all players agree or state their preferences.

As usual, you might need to clear your cached images or files to see the updated version.

Anyone? Bueller?

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 157):

Apologies! Padre was quiet as he had nothing new to add. Padre is on board with the plan. The ONLY thing padre would add, is it seems that IF something came a burstin through the portal we may be at risk of falling off the ledge. Padre wouldnt mind stationing himself a little more onto the rope bridge to give a little more breathing room. If it became necessary to fire guns Padre could step onto the ledge for solid footing.

Judge,

Where is the "portal area" in the Group 1 map? Does it take up the entirety of the straight line that constitutes the northern boundary of the half-circle on the far side of the bridge?

Thanks.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 159):

The portal opens amidst that smooth stone wall, which is indeed represented by the straight line on the northern boundary of the half-circle.

However, the portal doesn't take up "the entirety" of that wall -- at least based on the four horseman's previous sightings of the portal opening. Rather, each of the three times the portal opened, it was a large circle of light that took up most of that space.

Windham was near the wall at the edge of rope bridge side of the semi-circle (roughly where Alejandro's token is on the current "discussion" version of the map), when the portal opened the third time, allowing Dez and the soldiers to pass through. The outermost part of the portal opening was just out of his reach, extending -- he estimates -- roughly to the square on the map where Faraday's token currently sits.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 160):

Judge,

I believe that Jake would take up a position in the space represented by the square just to the right (east, if the top of the map is aligned towards the north) of Tommy's icon.

The rifleman is concerned about hostiles spilling out of the portal and getting in amongst the ritual participants before the watchers can stop them.

Thanks.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 161):

I think I understand, but haven't updated the map yet. Does Jake mean next to where Faraday's icon is -- in other words, near the wall and just between the wall and four "travelers?"

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 162):

I am reminded of the story wherein a group of blind men attempts to describe an elephant. :)

But yes, I believe that we are talking about the same square. It is in the column that is headed by the ". . . me"  letters of the heading, just to the left of Farraday's icon and just above the two darkened silhouettes.

The Judge has updated the map for Group 1, based on Jake's comments about preferred placement. Jake is the only one that has been moved in this updated version. Might need to clear cache ....

In PM, Tommy confirmed that the Judge has deployed character tokens pretty much the way Pearce suggested in msg # 149 in this forum. Tommy also asked a relevant question about the spacing on the map. At this time, it's important to share that info with everyone, so we can set positions for the beginning of the ritual, and begin the Dramatic Task in Ch26.

Each 1x1 square on the map is 2 yards x 2 yards. That’s the standard combat space for one person. Assumes space to swing a weapon, parry, aim, shoot, turn facing, etc.

In a non-combat situation, more than one person could occupy a square. The Judge’s starting point was to keep most everyone in one square each -- or close to one square each -- because it’s unknown whether this will become a combat situation. However, the Judge squeezed Tracy and Earnest into one square at the end of the rope bridge on the map because of what Pearce suggested in msg # 149.

Still, the ritual participants can squeeze closer together if desired -- to shrink the circle and give the 3 watchers more space to position themselves to defend the participants if anyone or anything comes through the portal. The six would need to move to individual squares if the situation turns to combat ....

Similarly, the 3 watchers could decide to start in the same square as someone else (watcher or participant). Such a tactic would enable the watchers to start "between" the four travelers and Tracy/Earnest (again, as Pearce originally suggested), but everything above would be true if combat were to ensue ... for example, they would need to move to their own square to effectively enjoin any combat situation.

That said, the Judge recommends for each watcher to start in their own square since their job is to protect the others should anyone or anything come through the portal and threaten the ritual. In other words, starting in a square by themselves isn't required, but all of the watchers know that they'll need space to take actions (from attacks, to Tests, to defending, etc.) in such a scenario, so starting that way removes the need to move before taking action.

The Judge is now asking all players to verify their positions.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 164):

I am fine with Earnest's placement.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 164):

Judge,

Jake's icon should be in the square immediately to the right of Tommy's icon, and just to the left of Faraday's icon. It may be that you have already moved him, and my poor, old tired computer is just being wonky.

Thanks.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 166):

Moving Jake to that spot was the only update I made to the map. Probably, you need to clear your browser's image cache to see the update.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 167):

Padre verifies that he is fine with his location.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 168):

Tracy's position looks good.

In reply to Tracy Windham (msg # 169):

Understood about the spacing, thanks.

Tommy will adjust position and move exactly 1 square to the left, and take a prone position at  the crossing lines - on the adjacent corner to Padre
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Thanks to all for confirming positions. The Judge will update the map and get things going in Ch 26. Please login regularly over the next several days.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 171):

The map is updated.

Wishing a happy Easter and Passover to all on this board who celebrate them.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 173):

Thanks Jake! Same wishes from me to you all!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 174):

Thank you and Agreed! Happy festivities to all!

FYI, giving Tommy a little extra time to post something for the first round, if he so chooses. Similar to our 24 hour rule during any combat sequence, the Judge informed the player that Tommy will go on Hold if no post is made by early tomorrow morning.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 176):

FYI, Tommy has PMed with the Judge. Giving him a little more time to make a post in round 2 before moving forward. The Judge has made the rolls for the other ritual participants, but won't make a post in Ch26 until ready to move to round 3 (either after Tommy's post, or in the next 24 hours-ish).

The good news is that the participants have achieved the tokens needed to succeed in Part 1: Opening the Portal. It's no spoiler, as you could have added up the tokens yourselves, and the six participants only needed 3 more tokens this round to succeed.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 177):

Should Tommy make a Stealth roll to not be noticed by the knight or does that have to be done in conjunction with movement or an action?

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 178):

That's an excellent question. It would be an opposed roll ... so in this case, the Judge would treat this separately from movement or action. Go ahead and make a Stealth roll.

As above, Tommy should still make the Stealth roll ... see PM.

Additionally, the Judge notes that to win an opposed roll you initiate (in this case the attempt to interrupt), one must first achieve the regular TN4 to succeed. Then, one must also beat the opposition's roll. Tie goes to the opposition.

If Padre rolls a 3, for example, he cannot succeed in the opposed roll (the GOTK doesn't even need to roll). If Padre rolls a 4, then the GOTK must roll a 4 or better to avoid being interrupted by Juhasz. So, often in such opposed rolls, the person who initiates ends up spending a Benny (or more) to get a roll that improves chances to beat the opponent. Now, if you're lucky enough to Ace one or two (or more) times on the Trait die or the Wild Die on your first roll, you might decide it isn't worth spending a Benny, which is always accompanied by the risk of rolling an RF. Just providing some food for thought and pre-clarification on the rules as we don't do a lot of opposed rolls here in crucial situations like the current scene.

Also, there’s an updated map for Group 1. The Judge aligned Jake and the GOTK after the others departed. It’s not character movement just the Judge making things easier on the map.

Here is Jake's Athletics Check (supported by Conviction) to attempt to interrupt the GOTK. The second d6 is the Conviction die, which is added to the result.


22:54, Today: Jacob Richardsen rolled 10,5,1 using d8,d6,d6, rerolling max with rolls of (8+2)10,5,1.  Athletics Check + Conviction (2d d6):To Interrupt GOTK.

Total rolled = 11.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 182):

Thanks for the roll, Jake. Please re-post this to the Ch26 forum, with narrative about the action Jake plans to take to interrupt. The narrative doesn't need to be explicit in game terms -- just indicative of what Jake is attempting. Based on PM, the Judge believes this boils down to "Jake tries to fire Widder-Maeker before the giant attacks," but you can expound as you desire with your usual interesting Richardsen flavor.

Per Ch26, Jake rolled a CF when using Rapid Fire Edge. It gave him RoF 2, which means an extra Shooting die, and when making a Ranged Attack with RoF > 1, the CF rule is modified. If more than half of the Trait roll dice (in this case, two Shooting dice and the Wild Die) are raw 1, AND the Wild Die is a 1, then CF. (Conviction is not a Trait die or Wild Die, so it doesn't count). Jake rolled a 1 on one of his two Shooting dice and a 1 on the Wild Die, so 2/3 of the dice indicated CF. Bummer.

The Judge gave Jake 3 options for the result. As noted earlier, Jake has RL impact that is limiting his RPOL time. For now, the Judge is giving Jake time to follow-up with a choice and narration. If necessary, the Judge will choose the CF result to keep things moving, but I prefer to give Jake another 24 hours-ish before taking that step.

Just an update -- waiting for Tommy to take his turn in round 4. It's a crucial juncture and the Judge doesn't want to move to the final round of the Dramatic Task until Pearce has taken his turn.

Tommy and the Judge have communicated, so the Judge hopes to see his post soon.

Meanwhile:

First, best wishes to Jake in his current RL situation. Hope to see him back in the game, but the Judge will handle Jake's turns as necessary. RL always takes precedence, of course.

Next, after Tracy updated his post to fix his mistake in the report of his roll result, the Judge counts a total of six tokens from Earnest (2) and Tracy (4) for Part 3: Closing the portal. That means they will close the portal one round early, which is both interesting and important.

Once Tommy posts, the Judge will adjudicate his turn and move to round 5 with a further narrative description, Action Card draw, and game notes.

Catching up on my reading. And I must say, nicely played, gentlemen! :)

I had high hopes for Jake's (IC) efforts, but the Dice-Roller obviously had other ideas! :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 186):

Welcome back, hope all is well!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 187):

Thank you. The situation is improving, even if not quite back to normal yet.

So glad to hear things are improving, sir.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 189):

Glad to see you back in the saddle Jake!

Sorry for the Judge's absence for a couple of days. Was participating in a local gamefest Friday and Saturday, and recuperating Sunday. Game posts coming soon.

Now the Judge has some other RL stuff going on. Been reading your posts ... all good, please continue to discuss and narrate. It sounds like consensus towards departing, but the Judge is fine if players have things they want to do before or while leaving, Please continue your narration and IC conversation about that, even if it's just to state facts about the departure.

The Judge is also doing a couple of quick PMs here or there -- sent one to Earnest re: his Notice check, for example.

Thanks to Earnest for an extra Ch26 post to keep the conversation going. Please feel free to continue free-posting in Ch26 for IC narrative.

Meanwhile, via PMs and public posts, the Judge learned there are a couple of players who might like to explore more about the caves -- especially in regard to searching down the chasm.

However, everyone seems to understand the in-game difficulty of continuing underground in the present moment, as illustrated by the professor in his post about lantern oil this morning in Ch 26. No player has expressed a strong desire to continue in the caves immediately. Players have generally indicated they are okay with the heroes departing ... for now ... with a few having ideas of returning should others (including the Judge) be interested.

Speaking for the Judge: IC-wise, it makes good sense to go back for supplies, at the very least. We have already stretched things pretty thin in that regard, with help from Red Shirt, the arrival of Padre, and some leniency with the availability of oil for torches and lanterns. At minimum, returning to Red Shirt is only logical.

Meanwhile, if the players form a consensus to return to the caves, the Judge would be amenable. The Judge's preference is to resume a more traditional western -- and a draft of the next adventure is in hand. It is something which keep the players in Nouveau Zion area, so Return to the Caves of Hidden Canyon remains viable even if we play a different chapter now.

I had asked for player thoughts here, too. From a player perspective (OOC), how do the current 5 players feel about what's next, as of reading this post?

First, do you wish to continue playing, regardless of what the next chapter is.
Second, do you agree to depart the caves and return to RS, even if it's only to re-supply and reset?
Third, if you have thoughts about the second question, such as a strong desire to stay in the caves now, even without resupplying, please share with the group.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 193):

With regards to Myself(OOC), to question one, Yes, I want to continue playing regardless of the next chapter.

Secondly, Padre will post about how he feels in ch26 thread (but hint, yes, he wants to at least resupply, there is something in his horse's saddle he wants)

Thirdly, I (ooc) was fringing on following Farraday into the portal! I am ok with the group if we want to continue exploring the caves. I am ALSO ok with moving on to ch27. I (OOC) am more amenable than the Hungarian (IC).

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 193):

Continue playing? Yes!
Leave to resupply? I think we have to at this point; the cave isn't leaving (though I suppose bandits could try to move back in), so there's no rush to get back. Earnest would want to reflect a bit on what we've learned, talk to the others, write some notes and maybe a letter or two, etc.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 195):

Definitely good with continuing to play. Agree with restocking & also maybe spending time in town before our next adventure
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In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 196):

First question: yes.

Second question: yes, leaving the caves for now makes sense. I'm also up for a more traditional Western for a while, just seeing where our journey takes us next.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 193):

1. Yes, I am definitely interested in continuing playing.

2. In spite of Jake's (IC) continuing interest (obsession?) in/with the old-timey knights' treasure, I (OOC) am ready to leave the caves (at least for a while) and have the next chapter (or more) revert to the feel of a more traditional Western. :)

Excellent, thanks to all for your responses. As the character interaction and decisions wrap up in Ch26, the Judge will post a fade-to-black and fade-up in that chapter to move forward to reuniting with Red Shirt and moving forward to starting a new chapter.

Meanwhile, please continue the interesting conversation and narrative about tying up loose ends and departing the caves. The Judge will build on your posts and interject the fade-out and fade-up messages at and appropriate time.

The Judge appreciates Earnest's post in Ch26 ... it would help for all characters to weigh in, IC, on that topic, before the Judge fades out and fades up near the towns of Nouveau Zion. While characters have indicated similar leanings in their narrative posts and in OOC comments, it would help to have some IC closure on that.

However, if a character has a different opinion than stated by the professor, please do communicate that in the Ch26 narrative. It's not a problem for a character to have different ideas ... the Judge would simply prefer to have all five player characters weigh in before we move to the next chapter.

It's been 10 days since either Tommy or Tracy has posted ... I hope everyone is well and it's just a temporary absence. The Judge is moving forward in Ch 26 and starting Ch27.

Ch27 will start in the next few hours.
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I have a recollection that the gang of bandits whom the pards tangled with before wore a distinguishing item of clothing. Was it a yellow bandanna?

I doubt that it is the same group [as I recall, the previous group of bandits suffered some significant casualties during the dust-up at their camp, but Jake (IC) would probably inquire].

Thanks.
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 202):

Yes, you recollect correctly.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 203):

Hey pards, apologies for the sudden radio silence. I hope to be back to regular posting now.

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 204):

Glad to have you back in the mix.

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 204):

Yay! Welcome back... hope all is well!

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 204):

Good to have you and Eirish back with us! :)

In looking at the main map, I am  reminded that the three towns in question: Grafton, Rockville, and Springfield (with the Knights' Four O'Clock Ranch being near to Grafton) are all spread out along the Virgin River.

Judge, which town will the pards be closest to if they exit the back country in the normal course of travel? Alternatively, can they set a course for any particular town (while still traveling through the back country) so as to come upon that town (or the Four O'Clock Ranch, if that happened to be their choice) first upon exiting the back country?

Thanks.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:36, Sat 10 June 2023.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 208):

The heroes are on the east side of the canyons. Therefore, if they continue south to the road at the bottom of the map, along which those three towns (and the Four O'Clock Ranch) reside, and then head west they will first come to Springdale, then Rockville, then Grafton. The Knights' ranch is west of Grafton. This is the route the men have taken back and forth to Hidden Canyon since they first located it.

They can't set a direct course to any town other than Springdale -- at least without passing it directly along the road or taking other more extensive measures.

For example, they could turn around and circumnavigate the canyons (head north, pass Echo Canyon where they had been camped, cross the Narrows and go west and then south to approach the ranch and Grafton). From experience, they know that would take 6-7 days.

They could go farther south across the road -- into Mexican territory -- and circumvent the road past Springdale -- if they wanted to go directly to Rockville or Grafton. But that has an obvious issues, namely, crossing out of the US and into Mexico, per the alternate reality we laid out when we first started with the switch to SWADE in Chapter 21).

EDITS" Fixing misspelling
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In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 209):

Just so I get it clear, are you saying we're pretty much on the east side of the map heading south to the Virgin river, at which point we head east to the towns?

I guess I was thinking we were travelling down the North Fork river valley towards Springdale.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 210):

Yes, mostly, assuming you made a typo when you wrote "east to the towns." It would actually be "west to the towns."

First, I know it's been quite some time in RL since the pards first circumnavigated the canyons, and then still a long time since you returned to Echo Canyon. And two of the current players weren't even in the game the first time Red Shirt guided the heroes around the canyon areas.

In msg 209, I was trying to recap some of that history in regard to the travel routes. Obviously, I didn't do it well enough to refresh your memory. As you say, for clarity, here's more ...

Right now, the characters are on the east side of the map, heading south toward the Virgin River (and the rudimentary road that runs parallel to the river, connecting the towns). You are at the very east edge of the map, slightly above the cow skull directional icon. You had exited the camp at Echo Canyon (which is listed on the map, northeast of the Great White Throne), and you had retraced the route you took to reach Echo Canyon from the towns (most recently and in previous trips, see below). As a reminder, the trail you followed to reach Hidden Canyon originates from the camp in Echo Canyon.

Continuing south on your current path takes you to the river and the road. You would follow those to the WEST, first reaching Springdale, then continuing on to Rockville and finally reaching Grafton -- or the Knights' ranch, which is a little further west of Grafton. Daniel traveled east from Rockville, through Springdale and to the path he believed the pards had taken, from his own experience when he was with the group rescuing Elizabeth and when the pards went back to dispatch the re-grouped bandits (Ch24).

You have NEVER followed the North Fork northward through the middle of the canyon system (or back to the south). Red Shirt refused to take you that way at the outset, for various reasons. When the characters originally took the mission from Jacob Knight back in Ch22, to rescue Elizabeth, there were two options. Go around the west side of the canyons/hills or go around the east side. You started west, traveled all the way to the north rim and crossed just above the Narrows, and then wrapped around until you found Echo Canyon and the bandits -- and rescued Elizabeth.

You then traveled back to the the towns along the same route you are taking now, from Echo Canyon southward, along the eastern edge of the map. When Pearce joined (and Beaucheveux), you again took the eastern route back to Echo Canyon, fighting the re-grouped bandits again before the initial exploration of the Caves of Hidden Canyon, and then you took the same southward route on the east side back to the river/road and then west to the towns to rest (and for Earnest's arm to naturally heal as he learned to shoot left-handed). And when the four pards went back to explore the caves further, you again took this eastern route up to Echo Canyon. Padre took the same route, based on information from the townsfolk, tracking the group and finding RS at the camp and then joining the four pards after navigating the trail to Hidden Canyon and following tracks into the caves in the middle of Ch26 ...
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In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 211):

Yes, I did mean "west to the towns"... thanks for the recap; it has been a long time!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 212):

You're welcome, I hope it is helpful to everyone.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 213):

Very much so. Thanks for taking the time to spell it all out for us. :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 214):

Just a bit more info before I post...

Is there cover near the river where the bluffs turn north (i.e., about .6 mi E of the town)? Something like woods or high brush either near the river or near the bluffs? Or perhaps an intervening hill?

Basically, a safe spot where we could hold the horses while a few of us get somewhere close on foot to recon.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:28, Fri 16 June 2023.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 215):

The professor ALWAYS wants more information.

Yes, there is cover in that area. It's scrub terrain so cover is limited, but for the purposes described, the short answer is yes re: safe spot to wait with the horses. The closer you get to town, the less cover possibilities.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 216):

I probably missed it but for the new chapter 27 I'm just confiming pards should be doing a benny reset.

The Judge had said we would reset after the encounter with Daniel. That’s now so please do reset to normal starting number.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 218):

Congrats Padre, this really made me laugh:

"Padre sized up the Pards with his eyes, moving from Mr Richardsen to The Professor and the rest. On every pard, Padre's thoughts wavered between Hmmm and That could work... or that'd be a tight squeeze as he wondered if each Horsemens clothes would fit him."

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 219):

Thank you! It was comical in my head so I am glad it made it out as funny IC.

"Waal, damnaeshunn, Perfesser! Tell me which uhv them books of yourn I gotta read so's I can learn how to do that, too!"

"Ummm . . . it'll have some pick-tures, won't it?" :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 221):

Hehehehe. The Judge predicts there's a CF in the professor's future. Padre and Jake have already had their fair share recently.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 221):

LOL Jake!

To the Judge: I thought the exact same thing!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 223):

CFs happen. Part of the fun, I think, you never know when things might go sideways.

And Winhdam and Pearce got their rolls in just under the wire. The Judge is back online and was fixin' to follow-up today.

Look for a post in a bit.

BTW, look to Ch24 msg #967+ for reminders about Hite.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 225):

Thanks to the three pards who posted narrative & rolls for the climb up to the bluff. Successes for all, so that's good. You can feel free to post dialogue and more narrative, as you wish, while waiting for results of the Quick Encounter.

Waiting for Tommy and Jake ... and the latter notified the Judge of possible delay in usual posting frequency. Daniel will go last and then the Judge can adjudicate results and provide narrative.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 226):

Leave it to Jake to prove himself wrong. He said there might be a delay, but it was an insignificant amount of time.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 227):

Jake the type to apologize for being late when hes arrives five minutes early to an appointment

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 228):

I reckon so.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 228):

Waal . . . sometimes it's a mite dicey to try an' an-tissa-paete how much wagon traffic a body's gonna have to tangle with on the road . . . :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 230):

or those dang splintered wheels and torn canvas. Aint no such thing as trail-side assistance yet..

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 231):

Long as thaere ain't no Comanches nor Apaches stoppin' by with an offer to haelp lighten the pilgrims' load . . . :)

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg #231) and Jacob Richardsen (msg # 232):

It's a bad idea to keep giving the Judge ideas.

Can you say "old-timey Knights?"

Hmm if that's how ideas spread mightn't I suggest a travelling salesman selling snake oil and dice with no 1s,2s or 3s?

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 234):

"A traveling salesman, you say, sir? Well, sir, lament no more -- for you see before you Ezekial 'Flannel-Mouth' van Landingham, Esq., the sole and exclusive  -- the one and only, I mean to say -- duly-appointed purveyor in these United States of America of Baron Munchausen's Excelsior Elixir for the immediate and permanent curation of every ailment that bedevils humankind! Yes, yes, of course I am!"

"Indeed, sir! This wondrous balm and libation -- yes, yes, both combined in the same reasonably-priced offering, designed for ease of application and ingestion -- is now enthusiastically endorsed -- yes, yes, I assure you that 'tis so -- by each -- one and all, I say -- of the crowned heads of Europe. So, my good sir, have you ever imagined yourself on an equal footing with the King of England? And what of the King of France? Well, sir, trouble yourself no more with frets and worries that you might be doomed to forever hereafter find yourself on a lower pedestal than those esteemed worthies!"

"For upon your application and/or ingestion of this marvelous elixir, you will be doing exactly -- precisely, I say -- the same as old George and Louis did, back in their glory days! Yes, yes, you will, sir! Most certainly you will!"

"'And what might this elixir banish from my life, once and for evermore?' you might well ask. Yes, yes, indeed you might. Well, sir, I am glad that you inquired. Yes, yes, indeed I am!"

"The ague, chilblains, whooping cough, palsy, incontinence, warts, bilious fever, the bloody flux, colic, consumption, distemper, dropsy, lumbago . . . why, the list of extinguished ailments, bothers and worries goes on and on! Yes, yes, of course it does! And that does not even include the too-delicate-to-mention male and female issues that are cured with only a few doses of this entrancing, mind- and body-numbing elixir!"

Baron Munchausen himself might well have exclaimed "Wunderbar!" when speaking of his own tasty balm and libation. As I am certain he did, just as King George and King Louis did, once upon a time. Yes, yes, of course they did!"

"And so, for the low, low price of only a single Double Eagle, I offer you today, the perfection of everlasting health. Oh, and did I say that subsequent to consumption, either orally or topically, you shall thereafter suffer no dice rolls lower than a four, guaranteed! Yes, yes, most definitely I assure you, sir!"

"So step right up and claim yours immediately, for supplies are limited! Yes, yes, of course they are! Now, then, who will be first to change their life for the better immediately, starting this very day?"

I’ll take two, sir.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 235):

"You drink it."

...anybody know this reference?

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 235):

Ezekial 'Flannel-Mouth' van Landingham, Esq needs to be a character the Pards interact with. My imagination doth run rampant at what Jake would say to him or how Mr Windham and The Professor would question the elixir.


This was my favorite thing to read!

Unfortunately, I'm empty on cash. Maybe the good Flannel Mouth will extend me some credit?

Re: the professor - the princess bride?

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 237):

It's from the Outlaw Jose Wales. My favorite Western film.

Lone Watie says it to the snake oil salesman.

"Why, certainly, good sir! Most assuredly! Just as assuredly as that hop-toad that you see over yonder will sprout wings and fly away!"

<Turning to the others.>"Which, I am certain, the poor creature could do, if only it had the foresight to  consume only a minoot -- small, I mean to say . . . yes, yes, of course I do -- portion of the Baron's marvelously effective Excelsior elixir beforehand!"

"Yes, yes, most assuredly, it could! Ahem . . . now, where were we?"

"Ah, yes . . . Double Eagles . . ."

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 240):

HA Why does Ezekial 'Flannel-Mouth' van Landingham, Esq sound like Harold Hill??


We got trouble my friends.. With a capital T..

Just for grins and giggles, to the left you will see my perception how of a portrait for the esteemed (ahem!) "Flannel Mouth" van Landingham, Esq. might look.

Do not adjust your sets, friends. The portrait of the estimable Texican will reappear shortly. :)
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 242):

Accurate Picture..Its like Padre's pappy used to say:

Soha ne bízz olyan emberben, akinek a szeme nagyobb, mint a szája

Never trust a man with eyes wider than his mouth.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 243):

Nice! Padre's father sounds like an under-appreciated grass-roots philosopher (I am reminded of Mike Tyson's "Everybody's got a plan until they get punched in the mouth"). :)

It occurs to me that another nickname for the esteemed Mister van Landingham might well be "Double Eagle". :)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:55, Thu 29 June 2023.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 239):

Ding! Ding! Winner! ...here's your cigar!

Based on The Professors last roll I fully expect the narrative to include peering into men's souls or X Ray vision!

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 246):

Alas, sometimes the difference between an 8 and 28 is nothing.

Re: Tommy's question about crossing the river

Would Jake know how deep the river is, how strong the current is, whether there is any quicksand to be concerned about, whether the riverbanks have steep bluffs, whether there are any water-moccasin nests, etc.?

If he is not that familiar with the river in the area, he (IC) will defer to Daniel.

Thanks.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 248):

Jake knows something about the river, as he has been in these towns a few times. There are places (fords) to cross and places where it's difficult to cross. Jake could make a Common Knowledge roll if he desires, or simply defer to Daniel.

FYI, the Judge is reviewing all rolls and preparing a narrative to move the plot forward based on player posts and results. Come back later today if it's not posted yet in Ch27 when you read this message.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 250):

I actually lost it at that dice roll. OMG. Cant stop laughing. I think it may be the the Lord does not like my Padre.. Maybe thats his thing?  Another Crit Fail.. I cant wait to hear how the judge interprets this one!

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 251):

Seems like we have been getting a lot of Critical Failures popping up in-game as of late. Perhaps the Dice Gods have gotten bored and are trying to shake things up a little with some good (a matter of one's perspective, I will interject here), old-fashioned Chaos. :)

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 251) and Jacob Richardsen (msg # 252):

All part of the fun. We KNOW it's going to happen in a Savage Worlds game. We just don't know WHEN it's going to happen. In a tabletop session locally, we had wave of CFs go around the table last week.

The Judge shall post in Ch27 this afternoon. The Judge is ruling Padre is occupied for a few hours by his stated activities, all told. Enough time for twilight to pass and dusk to fall. Tommy should post narrative as soon as possible, as this will overlap with Padre's happenings.

FYI, the Judge will post later today in follow-up to Juhasz and Pearce posts in Ch27.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 254):

Padre is useless....


...and helpless lol
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In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 255):

I see it a little differently. Padre is the unwitting catalyst for the plot to move forward. Even as he blunders, he pushes the story to its next complication.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 256):

Ahh padre is the western Don Quixote..


...that's just what I envisioned ha

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 257):

LOL!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 258):

I may have taken a small liberty here and conveniently assumed the patrols meet close to the town entrance where Padre entered. Hope that is ok with the Judge
This message was last edited by the player at 15:30, Sat 29 July 2023.

The scenes with Padre and Tommy have been interesting. The group agreed with the plan for the men to go in first and gather information. The other 3 players, however, haven't agreed to the plan being hatched (no pun intented) by Pearce and Juhasz.

Therefore, the Judge needs to confirm that the other 3 are on board with the plan as described in Ch27. And if not, we need to resolve that OOC.

Additionally, the Judge feels strongly that those 3 heroes need to be apprised of what was learned, and of the "ambush" plan, IC, before we move forward. This part -- the characters knowing -- is less important to the Judge than the need for the players to be in agreement on this matter.

In the heat of battle, characters do things that might affect their pards, and the players must adapt. But the Judge sees that differently than planning out something like this and involving other player characters without securing the "say so" of all characters involved. Therefore, the Judge is requesting to hear from Earnest, Tracy, and Jake as to their feelings about the plan, and whether it is acceptable to them. Additionally, it would help to know whether the players feel strongly that their characters should know what is being planned, before they engage, or if they're willing to move forward via OOC agreement, and let the IC part unfold as part of the plot.

In my mind, those are two different but related things.

Feel free to post here, or to post to the Judge in PM, as suits you. Of course, if anything about this post is unclear, call it out and I shall do my best to clarify.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 260):

While I would prefer that either Tommy or Padre come out to coordinate with the rest of us, I believe we are prepared to charge in if fighting should start before that. Also, if Tommy is able to signal Tracy in some way, that would at least be a heads up... Would the judge allow that we made some plans for such signaling?

In short, plans go sideways... I'm okay with that.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 260):

If asked, Jake would like to consider striking first at the camp at the mesa -- the "head of the snake", so to speak.

Firstly, there is the possibility of eliminating the leadership of the "invaders" -- whosoever they might be.

Secondly, there is the issue of the five girls who were hauled off to the mesa. Perhaps they are intended simply to pleasure the men there, in which case they deserve to be rescued as soon as possible.

But there is also the strong possibility (in Jake's opinion) that the girls were taken as hostages, to insure the continued good behavior of the townspeople ("good" in the sense of not rising up against the invaders).

Jake would prefer to remove these Aces from the invaders' hand, so that (in the status of hostages), they cannot be used to possibly bring a halt to attacks.

Now, an attack against the mesa camp may not prove to be feasible (for a variety of reasons). But Jake would at least raise the issue and explore the possibility.

That said, if the consensus of the pards is to proceed with ambushing the various patrols, Jake will adhere to that plan.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 261):

To answer the specific question to the Judge:
Yes, fine with pre-arranged signals of a general nature, such as "mount up and ride in ASAP" or "we're coming back soon" or "stay put until the next signal" or "prepare for a fight."

But anything of a specific nature would be out of bounds ... for example, a signal to "attack the mounted patrol" or "the invaders have a base camp on the southern mesa" are way too specific for something prearranged.

Definitely want to hear Tracy's opinion as well. And of course, Tommy and Padre can chime in here, too, to discuss further.

Padre was interested in coming to regroup to relay information. However that was before multiple crit fails and running out of bennies and padre is more hesitant now. Padre was sure any plan he partook in would go sideways so we devised a plan that would be a call to action with more people more immediately. That said I appreciate the judge asking for group consent. I am open to whatever need be done.

We can still call off Hatch for now. The plan isn't going anywhere, there is always tomorrow night.

Interested in Mr Pearces and Mr Windhams opinions as well.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 264):

Tracy would prefer to meet briefly and discuss what happened in the town, if only because he's very curious to hear what's going on down there. However, if he got the "get ready to fight" signal, he'd be ready to engage immediately.

In other words, Tracy is fine with either plan: engaging with or without conversation between the characters. But if he had to pick, he'd probably choose to discuss the plan first.

With regard to ambushing the patrols versus heading straight to the mesa, he would not have a preference.

In reply to Tracy Windham (msg # 265):

I agree we may have gotten a little ahead of ourselves there without some group consultation.

My working assumption was, as Earnest and Judge confirmed, that the pardners had a set of signals based on certain guessable outcomes from them going into town. So as narrated, he and Padre are sending the basic "prepare for a fight" signal. I just figured that they would then chose to attack the patrol which they have been watching and worrying about.

If we want to have Tommy and/or Padre return to inform the partners of what they learned and discuss the plan we can tweak the narrative with Hatch and instead of the ambush plan being definite, give 24 hours for Padre and Tommy to present the situation and then return or send word of a decision

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 266):

I would note that each traverse into/out of town provides a chance of being discovered by the bandits.

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 267):

Agreed. I would perhaps urge that Mr Pearce be the one who meets with the other Pards to bring them information. I would say this also makes sense with padre being “known” face in town and Mr Pearce not.

So, the Judge perceives a general agreement amongst the players that it's okay to move forward in IC with appropriate pre-arranged signals. However, the Judge also perceives a preference from Tracy and Jake to have some IC character interaction, with either Pearce or Juhasz returning to inform them of what was learned and what has been discussed. However, both players seemed to give only the character's perspective (not a "me the player" perspective).

It's not completely clear to the Judge at this time which way the group wants to go. But I'm glad we discussed it thus far, because it does seem clear that no one would be upset or disappointed (etc.) if Pearce and Juhasz gave a signal and then initiated their plan. We have aired this issue and it doesn't seem to be a problem, rather a matter of preferences with no ill will in any case. (Kudos to all players for their flexibility.)

Having said that, the Judge will ask Padre and Tommy to decide what they are going to do, with IC posts to follow-up on this OOC discussion. They can decide that Pearce returns to report information, as has been suggested, or they can decide to give their signal and prepare for the ambush.

Moreover, the Judge will have extremely limited availability the next two days. So if the players want to continue to discuss in OOC during that time, that's fine. If you want to move forward IC, go ahead and do it and I'll follow up before long.

Lastly, the Judge is awarding one Benny to each player for executing this part of the plan -- that is, doing the reconnaissance as planned and getting to this point.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 269):

Tommy and Padre have coordinated on changing the plan as below. I'm posting a quick summary here in OOC first to get general feedback and work out details, questions or concerns.

Tommy will now sneak back out of town and meetup with the pards to inform them of the plan and convey details of the meeting with Hatch and the Elder. Padre will return to the boarding house room and wait while Hatch rallies the ten men from town who are ready and willing to fight. In this scenario Hatch has a longer time period to do this not just 1 hour. The pards can make plans for their role in the attack (attack the patrol or some other actions).

I think Tommy would now proceeed by giving the signal to Tracy that he is returning. Hatch and Padre and the men would still take up positions waiting for the moment when the two patrols to meet to check-in.

One item to think about further is the plan for taking down the patrol in town.
Originally Tommy suggested a few non-Wild Card townsfolk players would do this while Hatch and Padre took the other townsfolk to attack the patrols at the entrance(msg 126). While that might be a good use of the 10 men Hatch has available for game purposes it does seem like an action some of the pardners should be doing. So maybe we want to change that as well. LMKWYT
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In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 270):

Tommy, thanks for the update and additional thoughts. My follow-ups:

1. Tommy and Padre should narrate the change of plan IC, just before leaving. Hatch left an opening in Ch27 msg 133, as he suggested a different departure for the two heroes (and himself). It could prompt the "wait a minute" and then revising the plan before they leave. However, it's important to the Judge that Hatch knows the signals for the townsfolk to act, at whatever task they have in the ambush. So work that into the narrative, such as "look for X signal" or "wait for Padre's lead" or whatever it is.

2. Tommy should narrate his return to the others, with a Stealth roll. Tracy should roll Notice to perceive Padre leaving the chapel, Pearce's signal to return to town, etc. Both can do this whenever you're ready.

3. The other pards can chime in OOC here, in terms of whether it's the heroes handling the two patrolmen in town, or doing otherwise. To the Judge, a simple solution is for Padre to lead Hatch and some Extras in taking out those two invaders, since he is already there -- if that's part of the plan as opposed to, for example, Jake's idea to go straight to the invaders' base camp. I will allow the players to assume this point was discussed by Tommy and Padre in the chapel -- that is, whether the pards should coordinate attacks on the patrols or go straight to the mesa or act on two fronts such as the patrols and the base camp at the same time, etc. Further, Padre and Tommy can arrange signals (triggers?) for Padre to follow from town after Pearce reconvenes with the others ... assuming Pearce doesn't CF the Stealth roll.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 271):

One question I have: Is the "base on the Mesa" close enough to hear a gunfight in this town? I wouldn't think so, but I think it's important to know.

If it's not, it would then be important that no invaders are allowed to escape to warn them!

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 272):

I (OOC) and Jake (IC) have reckoned that there is a good chance the muzzle-flashes and gunshots resulting from a dust-up with one or more of the patrols *would* be noticeable to other outlaws in the area.

After all, thunder (and in some instances, lightning) can be discerned from some distance away from a storm, especially at night. This would be one of the issues that Jake would raise, IC (and one of the factors steering him towards recommending that the initial assault be made on the base camp of the outlaws).
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 273):

The Judge's view is similar to Jake's (OOC and IC). All three towns are close enough to the base camp for gunfire to be noticed, whether it occurs at the base camp or in the towns. Heard or possibly seen. Especially true for the mounted road patrol the heroes know about, as they move between the towns.

That doesn't mean gunfire would automatically be heard or seen. But it is definitely possible.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 274):

The chances of that alerting would go down in the daytime, where the daylight might mute the gunflashes and possibly the regular hustle and bustle would might mute the sound?

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 275):

It's an interesting challenge from the Judge:

However, it's important to the Judge that Hatch knows the signals for the townsfolk to act, at whatever task they have in the ambush. So work that into the narrative, such as "look for X signal" or "wait for Padre's lead" or whatever it is

I actually can't think of a great signal for Padre to know what the pards have decided once Tommy returns to them and they discuss it. Any type of gunfire would clearly arouse interest and suspicion from the patrols. This would work if the plan remains to attack and Padre and Hatch just wait for the gunfire of the pards vs the patrol or vice versa.

However, if after hearing from Tommy the pards decide a different action, like attack the hideout, then signalling to Padre will be very hard without drawing attention to themselves. Especially as Padre will not be able to wait and look for a signal with a spyglass like Tracy is doing.

Potentially Padre may need to wait for gunfire of the pards and if he doesn't hear it then he knows the plans have changed and should wait and continue his recon in town or possibly Tommy sneaks back in (again) to let him know the new plan.

Put your thinking caps on pards and please post your thoughts

First thing that comes to mind is simply Padre returns as well. Pearce sneaks out and Padre leaves out the front door with his horse. The way he came in. We can reunite with the Pards together and IF we want to attack the town Padre can ride back in (might be a bit suspicious perhaps) to confer with hatch then OR we tell hatch to wait for a signal like Padre would have.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 275):

Seems reasonable to think that muzzle-flashes would be less noticeable in the daylight. As for folks hearing it, the Judge reckons some might and some might not.

If you expect the battle to involve gunfire, you ought to expect that some people will hear the weapon reports. Where they are, how they react, and how fast they can respond to said reports are different questions.

In reply to Thomas Pearce (msg # 276):

The Judge's primary purpose for writing Tommy's quoted text is the following: if you want Hatch and his volunteers to do something in particular, they need to know what it is or how to follow your lead. The simpler the plan for them, the better.

For example, telling Hatch it's his job to take care of the two men in town as soon as they hear gunfire is a simple instruction. Or reversing completely by advising Hatch to stand down and do nothing because the heroes are going to handle everything themselves is also straightforward. For the latter example, it's up to Hatch and the volunteers whether they want to act.

Pearce makes a good point when thinking about how to signal Padre. That discussion -- as underway -- is up to the players. It seems related to the above, but a separate issue depending on what the heroes are doing and what they ask Hatch to do ... which is still on pause based on Pearce's #276 and Padre's #277

Mayhap Red Shirt can favor the pards with a quick primer on how to employ a bow and arrows to the detriment of one's foes (just kidding!). :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 280):

If only the heroes knew where Red Shirt had gone ....

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 281):

I thought the same thing about Red Shirt... perhaps he went ahead to scout out the situation for us? I guess we'll find out when he shows up again.

We could simplify Padre's suggestion: Tommy returns to confer with us; if he doesn't return by a certain time then Padre should leave "out the front door" and rejoin the group... But I have to wonder if these invaders will let him leave? Does Hatch know if they are keeping people here?
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In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 282):

If Pearce and Juhasz were to ask Hatch, his answer would indicate that no one has tried to “leave the towns,” as far as he knows. A few people have moved between the towns, under the eye of the patrols.

This is starting to drag on. The Judge asks Tommy and Padre to decide what they are doing and post IC with appropriate rolls.

Thanks to Tommy and Padre for picking things up -- and for Padre's narrative and roll.

Still need some narrative from Tommy, so the Judge can then advance and sync up the pards.

Also, Tracy's Notice roll is still needed.

Thanks for the posts. The Judge will post later today, moving forward based on the player narrative and dice rolls.

Quoted from the Judge's post in ch 27, msg # 166, on behalf of DK ... Padre and the Judge were posting at the same time. Padre clarified some of what the Judge alluded. The Judge simply didn't want misunderstandings in the text or between players to lead anyone to erroneous conclusions.

Still worth re-reading a few things, but Padre's post helped already.
This message was last edited by the GM at 14:32, Tue 22 Aug 2023.

The Judge hopes he didn't dissuade the heroes from continuing. The pards weren't doing anything wrong. Just wanted to clarify. Thanks again to Padre for his latest post.

If the consensus is that the pards have decided to move against the base camp, I suppose that they will saddle up and move in that direction. Not sure whether you wish for us to RP this, Judge, or hand-wave it and assume that it happens off-stage.

Then, it seems to me that it becomes a matter of getting to a spot near to the base-camp where the pards can dismount and perhaps scout the camp a little. Again, I'm not sure how much the journey to the vicinity of the base camp will take place on-stage (or not).

Once the pards have observed the layout of the camp and the dispositions of the hard-cases (at least somewhat), then 'twill be time to plan for the attack and act.

These are my (OOC) thoughts, and others may have other ideas. And Robbie Burns has already warned us about the best-laid plans of mice and men. :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 288):

Thanks, Jake. That's helpful to get things moving. As Jake notes, at this time it's not clear if everyone is thinking along the same lines. What happens "off-camera" vs. with more IC posts depends on what the heroes decide to do, which is why the Judge asked "what" and "when." If the players arrive at a quick consensus, the Judge will fast-track as much as possible, taking into account any factors beyond the heroes' control or immediate knowledge, which may require interruption of the plan at some point.

The agreements can occur here in OOC, or in ch 27 IC posts as the players prefer. So the following questions are most important and can be resolved here in OOC ...

First, is there a consensus to move against the base camp? And to go now as Jake suggests?

If yes, do the players agree with Jake's suggestion to ride closer and dismount to scout further? Or does anyone have a different approach in mind? It's fine to air differences here, but it might require some additional RP in ch 27 if the heroes need to discuss ideas before they're ready to move from their current position.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 289):

Tracy is ready to move against the base camp. Riding closer and dismounting to scout sounds like a solid plan.

In reply to Tracy Windham (msg # 290):

It all sounds good to Earnest as well. But do we need to discuss 'how' a bit more?

The camp is up on the mesa between Rockville and Springdale; do we travel south of the river (like Tommy did) to get past Springdale and then find a way up? Or go to the north of Springdale, find a way up onto the mesa, and search from there?

If we take the south route, I fear we may be likely to run into patrols (i.e., this is how they typically travel). The north route would probably be somewhat of an unknown. Does Daniel know ways up to the mesa from either/both ways?

In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 291):

Daniel knows enough about the area to lead the group to the mesa from anywhere along the road. He isn't an expert on the terrain south of the road and the river, although his general knowledge is good enough to pick a viable path. Remember, Hatch said the mesa is south of the river in tricky terrain. There really is no "north route" to the mesa.

When appropriate (assuming the heroes continue with the essential plan), the Judge will make a CK roll for Daniel to determine how advantageous (or disadvantageous) his chosen path is. That roll can be supported by the heroes (with CK or Survival).

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 292):

To expound a little on previous notes ... if the pards decide to move towards the invaders' base as described by Hatch, the question is more about where they depart from the road to head south. Especially, if mounted (which is why the Judge wrote "no 'north route' to the mesa" -- perhaps you could move north past Springdale or even past Rockville and then circle back, but certainly not on horseback). The policeman said the base is roughly between Springdale and Rockville.

So, do the heroes go south:

From their current position?
From somewhere along the road to Springdale? From further west than Springdale (e.g., circle north on foot and then back southeast)?
Or something else?
This message had punctuation tweaked by the GM at 16:48, Wed 30 Aug 2023.

Just because it wasn't clear where to respond, I will respond here and then again IC if The Judge deems it proper. Padre too likes the idea of heading for base camp and scouting. Padre does think it may be wise to go roundabout to the north to avoid patrols. Padre believes the element of surprise is key. Padre is also wondering if they can make the journey before Noon tomorrow (in game) as Hatch may take action and cause distraction and Padre wouldn't want to waste that.

Discussing here is fine.

Again, for clarity, the Judge notes that an attempt to go roundabout north prohibits the use of horses, according to Daniel and Tracy’s Survival knowledge. The heroes ought to leave them here in the wash if choosing that approach.

EDIT: I mention this because it amounts to a different plan than Jake suggests, in the Judge's opinion.

Still need some kind of consensus as to what, how, and when.
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In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 295):

Okay, so my confusion was from looking at the game map that only shows the mesa that is north of the river between the towns...

Since the camp is on a mesa south of the river, I would suggest we travel on the south side of the river (i.e., off the main road between the towns) until we get to a point where we can ascend the mesa, hopefully away from wherever the patrols routinely use. Is this a possibility that Daniel knows about?
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In reply to Earnest Nicholas Samuel Ringgenberg (msg # 296):

I agree. South side of river. Follow along until we have to climb without our horses.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 297):

Tommy also agrees with avoiding the road and heading south of the river  immediately

The Judge now perceives a consensus forming.

Per Jake's summary in msg 288 of this forum, the heroes have agreed "to move against the base camp" of the invaders. They intend to ride as far as possible on the south side of the river before dismounting and going on foot to scout the camp.

Some but not all have explicitly voiced the "go immediately" idea. No one has argued against that, but recently Padre suggested he hopes "before noon tomorrow" which is MUCH different idea than "go immediately," so that point remains unresolved for the Judge.

Still, it seems the consensus is to go now, based on a few of the comments. If Padre and others confirm OR no one objects to that within the next 24 hours RL time, the Judge will post narrative in ch27 to continue.

To the professor: Daniel can't predict the location or movement of the invader patrols. He doesn't know much about them. As I wrote earlier, Daniel will make a roll Supported by others to determine the initial effectiveness of any approach you choose "to move against the base camp" (again, borrowing Jake's words).

We will handle that in ch27. The Judge will post narrative -- with the request for rolls, including Stealth for everyone assuming you are hoping to move unnoticed -- and will then use the roll results to advance the narrative to an appropriate point for your next decisions or actions (or reactions, as the case may be).

So . . . the bandits' base camp is located on a mesa that is south of the Virgin River, and is approximately halfway between Rockville and Springdale. That puts it off-map, I do believe, in terms of the Main Game map.

Out of curiosity, is the mesa still in Utah, Judge, or will the pards have crossed over into Mexico if they engage the hard cases south of the river? Just curious. :)

It looks like the consensus is to travel to a likely ascent-point along the south of the river, and I (OOC and IC) am fine with that.

I don't have strong feeling as to where to cross to the south of the river (i.e., immediately, or at some other point along the path that the pards must take as they progress towards the mesa). I suppose that might be dictated by the location of a ford along the river, or other in-game considerations.

Edit: Fixed a couple of typos.
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 300):

Correct, it's off map, which Earnest also implicitly acknowledged understanding of earlier. Understandable to be curious about the border ... it's a Common Knowledge thing that the Judge is including in Daniel's roll to approach, as mentioned above. So, it's still an unknown at this juncture, but a good question, regardless.

The river crossing is also part of the die roll for Daniel to lead the pards as described. No need for the heroes to pick a place, that's all part of agreeing to follow Daniel's lead to the mesa.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 301):

Regarding the Judges comment about my comment about Hatch and noon. Padre is willing to go immediately and not necessarily wait to time things with Hatch for a few reasons:
1) It will protect hatch and the townsfolk
2) if we can rescue the girls we may be able to meet hatch at noon to help rescue the town as well.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 302):

Acknowledged. Thanks

Look for a post from the Judge today in ch27.

Thanks for posting the Stealth and Support rolls. Look for a post from the Judge in ch27 later today.

Jake is not a good choice as a forward scout -- his Stealth die is a d4. Hence, unless the circumstances require it, I shall take him out of the running as one of the scouts. He will stay back on over-watch.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 305):

Padre will stay behind with Mr Richardsen. Padre has the stealth of a hungry stork.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 306):

Plus, as of late, the Dice-Roller seems to have been inclined to saddle Padre with more than his share of Snake-Eyes . . . :)

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 307):

It's true. The Dice Roller told me it has a grudge against Padre.

Dang. I hate it when that happens.

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 309):

This is why Padre is truly dark. He was born a gamblin man. But the dice have turned on him. He turned to the the church but they told him he was wrong for gamblin. So he left. And now he wanders. Trying to outrun the fact that he cannot satisfy the one thing he wants. The only thing he wants... a fair shake.

In reply to Albert (Padre) Juhasz (msg # 310):

It's enough to give a man a sour dis-poe-zishunn, that's for certain-shurre!

Just shootin' the breeze, here . . .

I just noticed today that this game is sneakin' up on 29,000 posts. I have not been around the game from the get-go, so out of curiosity, I scrolled back to the earliest post to see when that was.

June of 2008. Think about that for a moment . . . 2008. Can you remember what was going on in your life, way back then? For a game to be going that long, especially on RPoL, is pretty amazing. My Stetson is off to you, Judge -- well done!

Come to think of it, how does that compare to the "Gunsmoke" TV series, I wonder? I am of an age that I watched quite a lot of that show growing up (but before anyone asks, no, I do not go so far back as to have listened to it when it was a radio show).

But, again, this is an amazing run. Thanks, Judge. :)

PS. "Gunsmoke" was on the air for 20 years (1955 - 1975). Quite a run!
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In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 312):

Much obliged, pard.

In reply to Judge Messalen (msg # 313):

I was a completely different person. In a completely different life and I wouldnt meet the judge here for another three years! 29000 more, here we come..

In reply to Jacob Richardsen (msg # 312):

Kids lived at home and were in middle school... Now they're off doing their own thing and it's just me and my cat!

...still doing the same job though!

FYI, the Judge is reviewing all rolls (including secret rolls made by the Judge for the nonplayers) before posting. You will see a post by the Judge in ch27 sometime this morning.