What's the background benefit that lets you MC more than once?  I'm building a defender, but I want it to be the "everything" character....  So far I've got Zombie Cyborg Vampire (Revnant Warforged, Vampiric Heritage feat.)  I plan to add cowboy (quick draw feat) at some point.  Ninja (rogue or assasin MC).  And of course Pirate (Corsair? PP  I forget the prereqs for this.)  I'll get a horned helm to sport some viking flavor.  Not sure what other MC I'd want to take, but I know I'd love to take 'em all, heh.  And now with themes out, I'm sure there's a million options there that would be awesome.  But those aren't in my charbuilder so I tend to not pay them much attention.

  ...It's not Matt's turn though, he moved, readied an action (Shield Feint) and then his turn was done.  Unless readying an action means it is your turn forever.

  I could understand the issues if Matt had Delayed his turn. But he didn't.

EDIT: I keep forgetting, readying an non immediate power means 'haha, you can't use immediate powers'. how counter intuitive.

  As for a BG that lets you multiclass more than once, there isn't one.  Or if there ever was, they got rid of it fast.  The only BG's that even have the WORD multiclass in them, are merely making flavor suggestions that you take multiclass feats to help fit your BG theme.

  The piratey PP is a Martial requirement.  Rogues count as martial and are close enough to get considered Ninja at times.  You dont even need the Vampire multiclass since vampire is now a real class, and even the official DnD people have listed revenant Warforged vampires on the button examples in webtools.

  So as I've commented to Seth before, Revenant Warforged(race) Vampire(Class) Rogue(Multiclass) Pirate (Paragon).  There, you have the titular Ninja Pirate Zombie Robot.  And with themes you can throw in 'weak werewolf' on top of it all.
This message was last edited by the player at 23:15, Sat 07 Jan 2012.

Two multiclass BG benefit:
Forgotten Realms
Windrise Ports
Dragon Magazine #376

Like I said 'or got rid of it fast'.  Windrise is what Seth uses as the Crystal Cloister BG.  And it is currently +1 Lv 1 language, add skill to C list.

  We've had this conversation before about that BG.  Less than four times, more than once, heh.
This message was last edited by the GM at 23:56, Sat 07 Jan 2012.

.... WOOOOO!!!!  Well that explains why the char builder has it so you can select multiple BGs.  Sure, you can only choose one benefit, but that's not the point.  Legion was a kidnapped, possessed, reformed villain who as a student of Ironstone and Callanar had a naive arrogance about being a twilight dreaming sewer wretch....

I don't plan to take ALL the BG benefits, but I could if I wanted.  Which would cover tonns and tonns of elements I was worried I couldn't possible cover through MC, class, race, themes, and feats.  BG: the ultimate "I got that too!" for chargen.
This message was last edited by the GM at 17:13, Sun 08 Jan 2012.

Yet you didn't remember which bg we were talking about. I was just clarifying. ;)

Personally, I thought it a bit powerful with the multiclass thing. I wonder if that's the only bg they've errattaed.

Still, there are times when I think "GOSH I'd like to multiclass. Just once more." heh. :) Ah well. I feel it would be robbing Bard if anyone else could break that rule.

XD Apparently, Seth and Will's posts in Scales never showed up as red for me! Anyway... working on posts now.

  Eh, I'm pretty sure I'm up to post in a million places.  I'll even get around to it sometime!

RL RANT

So, the bad news.  Soon I'm off to stay with Mom at the ER all day.

The worse news.  She hasn't even called the ER yet.  Because she wants to take care of some things first.  But she has to call.  She has been the best she's ever been the past several days.

  But today, the day she is told "You haven't been to the ER.  You're on the bottom of the list.  You're not helping your case." by that Pain/Psych clinic she really wants to get into.  Now, she's having another case of 'worse than it's ever been' while still able to take her time and do everything when it's most convenient.

  The very worst part.  This situation, when we were alone in house as brother went to get stuff she wanted from drugstore, I told her "I think you are faking. Tell me why."
  Answer 1: Because you've seen me worse?  (Wrong, but curious. "Worst she's ever been" but that's first answer?)
  Answer 2: Because I was told I need to go to the ER by the clinic today? (correct!

  She was amazingly unshocked and understanding about my concerns, firm affimations she wasn't faking, my admiting I had no idea what to think and was just worried about her...  And then for the next five minutes she made obvious 'ow' noises whenever she did anything... Then no more past five minutes.

  See you sometime whenever.

Oh my.  Hope things work out.

Hope that goes well as it can. Glad you and her finally got things sorted out at least. And that she took it well.

Forgot that I had rolled init and rerolled.  Got exact same result.  :P

[3102] 12-01-27 04:38:55 KST - c_fewell@hotmail.com
pyrus init 1d20
12

[2964] 11-12-17 07:14:34 KST - c_fewell@hotmail.com
Pyrus init 1d20
12

I kinda figured.  More than willing to accept a, "You're a bunch of guards.  Just do as you're told," kind of response to keep things on track.

For real. I do wish dungeoneering or arcana or something *not* nature was the skill used to identify freakish horrors not normally natural. XD In fact, it would make a touch of sense even to have Religion for the giant spider since they are "sacred to Lolth". This specific case, though, I guess nature is the skill for it, but just like the "thievery" skill is used for disarming traps, the "nature" skill doesn't always identify what's natural. Unless disarming traps = stealing stuff in your mind.

But yeah. Even if "nature" always meant nature, what Angel is doing is rejecting D&D's reality and substituting her own. Just like in the real world, some animals inspired enough awe for people to think "that just isn't natural, it must be a god or a demon", so too is Angel seeing giant spiders as "not natural". After all, Angel doesn't know there is such a thing as a nature check. Though even her player occasionally goes "...really? Nature? WTF?"
This message was last edited by the player at 16:03, Sat 18 Feb 2012.

Indeed.  While we're on the topic of fist-shaking at D&D nonsense...



Enchant Magic Item.  Good for holy symbols, primal totems, martial weapons, and shadowy armor.  Oh yeah.  And wizard's wands too.  Well in MY world, "magic" totems are only "arcane" in the OOC mechanics sense.  Flavor wise, holy symbols gain their powers from the same source as clerics.  Totems from the same source as shaman.  And so forth.  Consider Forgotten Realms.  Where the arcane is going crazy.  So when you destroy the relic of an evil god it bursts into blue flame because it had an enchantment on it.  >.>

  I'm mostly poking fun at the complete uselessness of Dungoneering again (Meant for literal dungeons an subterranean environments...  Nature still used for Subterranean wildlife, while Dungeoneering is used for Aberrant creatures from beyond space and time... WHAT?).

  As for Divinely enchanted gear, Bahamut is kind of stiffing you then, "Go forth and fight evil in my name!... No, you can only have a +1, sorry."  Besides, Enchantment from God=Enchantment from Cleric with ritual=Enchantment from Artificer.  Create Magic Item is No Check anyways.  Really all you get out of claiming differences is openings for 'Better Than You, haha!' people to try and claim their enchantments are more proper while yours are twisted perversions of the natural or divine order...  Over the same exact items.

  Stereotype Elves don't need any more ammo.

Entirely unrelated to anything, but I finally got TF2 to stop crashing every time I tried to render a replay clip (It seems my problem was trying to do so for 'Web' resolution for my web video instead of just using the default, silly me).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K70_RknIq1M

Never did understand betraying team mates in any FPS. XD Glad you worked things out. Still got some of the fondest memories from Star Trek Voyager Elite Force.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S...E2%80%93_Elite_Force

That's the game Chris and I got to play as Beavis and Butthead because bringing in custom characters was so dang easy.

Beavis and Butthead running around in Helms Deep shooting each other with Star Trek weapons.  There's nothing else quite like it.

It's been forever since I played Elite force, though I didn't mod it any.

  The comment line is, as the first comment on video states, a bad pun.  The name of the Map that was on is called "Double Cross".  And the Chargin' Targe is a shield for the Demoman that gives them a straight ling screaming charge.

  He could have stopped himself too, had he just swung his sword.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:13, Sun 19 Feb 2012.

Artifacts, as they tend to be uniquely written things, tend to get module cheats. Plus as I've often ranted, Rules As Written you are not allowed to recognize so much as a Magic Missile if you are TRAINED in Arcana.

They even have 4th Ed artifacts with traits 'informed' to the wielder that work AGAINST eachother!  Crystal Of Ebon Flame.  Both wants and influences wielder to try and Free the Chained God, while second aspect of Artifact wants to contain them and be wielded Lawful Goody Good style.

Basically, as an artifact you pull whatever you want out of your ass because they are plot devices.

Heh, yeah. Chris reminded me artifacts are treated different. But yeah, I always thought "you are a wizard and don't recognize magic missile when cast by another wizard" to be silly. In real life, a martial arts master will look at another and say "I recognize that style! That's Southern Mantis!" without having ever seen any of the moves just demonstrated, simply because what he sees "feels" like Southern Mantis. Heck... in real life, a martial arts master can look at someone WALKING and be all "Ah... he studies martial arts" and gauge about what level with some decent accuracy. Why use martial arts? Well... if we apply the "can't recognize another person using a power within even your own school of thought, such as a fellow wizard, then wouldn't it make sense a monk can't recognize another monk using the same at-will he knows?

All ranting aside, obviously, I agree with you that "can't recognize what it is at all" is silly. Though obviously in the same breath, we both also agree it's silly to look at someone wearing leather and go "You're obviously a rogue".

*Looks up errata out of curiosity*



You can't be serious.  Complexity 5: 12 successes before 3 failures?!  Good grief!  Tack up another reason for me to hate errata and skill challenges.

Errata Complexity 1: 4 successes, 3 failures.
Errata complexity 2: 6 successes, 3 failures.
all they way down to Errata Complexity 5: 12 Successes, 3 failures.

Yup, starting with only needing 4 tries and MAXIMUM difficulty being 12 sure is evil.  My original point was they made the lower ones easier, considering 3 fails instead of 2.
This message was last edited by the GM at 21:27, Sat 17 Mar 2012.