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Right, and I can't find anything that suggests the text or ritual is heretical?(though that isn't saying much considering the short time I've got to research it)

In the exact description of the ritual, no... The problem is, that the ritual is at the back in the book, but the explanatory text is in the front chapters, amongst the magical theory (where is a reference to the ritual). It would take many time for Klaus to browse through the magic theory, even if not understanding it, but trying to determine it's approach, determine it's conceptualization if it's heretical or not... if he's expenditious, he can do it until late night (maybe before midnight), but if not, then the other version remains, that would require the whole night.

*grumbles* The heretics really ought to keep their literature in better order, would it be that hard to make a little mark(black for Chaos, purple for Necromancy) at the bottom of the page to indicate what particular crimes against nature and the gods they intend to commit?

Seriously though, I guess he'll just keep going as far as possible until it's time to go.

Purple for necromancy!? Hey! Death mages already reserved that! We claims the black for necromancy fool! We pronounce WAR of the COLORS! (Admit! Better than War of the Beard)
Nurgle can have green, yellow, Tzeentch blue, Khorne red, brown, Slaanesh: Purple, Pink

Pink for Slanees?:S:S::S:S NOOOOOOO I don't like that color:D:D:D:

Well, how about a compromise: both necromancy and death can have the purple colour, however, the death lore will have a happy, purple face as mark and necromancy will have a sad, purple face instead. It's brilliant!

And Khorne can't have a colour, because none of them can read anyway! :D

Nurgle, Tzeentch and Slaanesh can keep their colours(except purple!) and Chaos undivided can have black instead, that should make this a lot easier.
This message was last edited by the player at 16:06, Thu 04 June 2009.

All right, but death mages must have pinkish, bluish purple, while necromancers will have dark purple closer to red, and Slaanesh believers will wage war for their original colors.

Fair enough, though it's not as if the Slaanesh believers can actually fight anyway...

Yup, they use up their energies elsewhere, in beds... er... in cages... and bondages
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:12, Thu 04 June 2009.

Oh come on guys..move..move...

Yes, it's a miracle those little pervs manage to get anything done at all :D

 Not sure if we are moving to the next town in next day or we are still prowling this city, iam guessing the GM has given alot of clues out but sofar iam missing pinning down anyone person.

The coach is arriving in a day or so, you have time until that to investigate if you wish... If you not obtain result, then... that is that.

Well, if we start making progress in Folburg(because of the ritual or otherwise) or just feel that there is more to do here(especially with the free alcohol and food!), we could split up and have one team investigate Folburg while the other heads to Magurele.

There's 9 of us so we'd still be able to kick ass even if we split up(one group of 4 and of 5 is pretty decent). That would also make it easier to keep a high pace I might add(especially in combat).
This message was last edited by the player at 16:30, Thu 04 June 2009.

 Hmm, barely held the ground in the cemetary i think, if it hadnt been for the girls it could have gone very wrong. <grin>

Yeah, that's one of the funny things. Nicolja and Linolil would make an excellent team, even Nicolja's go-for-broke and Linolil's lets-be-careful could be a great combo.

But like many archetypes, they have that slight problem with say cooperation, communication, and that kind of minor co... verbs.

But perhaps later, in the end. (and they start fight immediately after the great danger is destroyed)

"Hey! I wanted to deliver the final blow bitch!"

"You just couldn't whore!"

I think the challenges change to suit the size of the group, not the other way around =D. I don't think our beloved GM would like to kill us because we split our group =). That might be a good choice actually. The problem is, how to divide the group.

I'd say the most obvious(and best in my opinion) way would be to simply ask: Who wants to investigate the village further and who wants to check out Magurele? I've got a feeling it would be pretty much even.

I just want from you to give me back my book...

You do this well Klaus...our dear GM gave us a "great" book ....

Cosmina would also make a good member of the team. She's a dedicated social butterfly. Not very useful in a fight but great at making people do what she wants. Her complete and utter paranoia is also very useful for avoiding bad situations.

Couldn't Linolil convince you to become an entertainer too?

Heh, let's just say I'm glad I'm not a spellcaster this time :)

Oh, from what I can see you would be plenty useful in a fight Cosmina, you don't have to be an avatar of destruction to make a differance. Why I happen to know there's a position open as Klaus' meatshield, you interested? ;) What team by the way?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:59, Thu 04 June 2009.

Possibility but really she's not HAPPY enough to be an Entertainer.

She could be a SAD entertainer, specialized to ballads

I was talking the girls team.

And for the record, she's a lover not a fighter. In a fight you can probably depend on her cowering between the Priest and the Norskin.

GM got a point. There are lot's of real life entertainers who aren't 'happy'. Especially in a duo (or trio) it can work very nice if one does the tearjerkers and the other does comedy. Depending on the public one or the other has a busier night, but it does work!

None of that matters though, but I do wonder what Cosmina will become.

STUPID GHOST!!!! we sacrefice ourselfs to can ask something but...ahh...I don't say anything more...

Happy 4000 folks :) It's a REALLY GREAT WORK indeed!

I'd hazard a guess that it's slightly disorienting to be torn between the world of the dead and that of the living, hopefully he'll be more useful after getting his bearings a little.

Yeouch, that was my worst set of Charm rolls ever. I don't suppose I can attempt to Gossip it out of him if I ask nicely? :D

-Hey, Janos! How's it going?
-So cold... My eternal rest beckons!
-Sounds unpleasant, not great being dead then?
-Ohhhh, every moment here is agony! I must go back...
-Yeah, about that. Who was that bloke who bagged you again? What a rotter, eh?

Hm, I guess not...:P

Do you like the new doo?

Great!!! Cool hair :P

Nice portrait Wanda!

Granny Wanda?

Looks good.

You do look the part, Wanda.

From now on we should call her Rouge :D
(But Wolverine is better :P)

You couldn't resist it right? :D

NO :P

When I was told my hair had gone white Rogue was the first thing that came to mind.

 Hmm, are you streaking.. or all white?.

Darn. I seem to be sleeping when everything happens.... sometimes it sucks to live here. Oh well, what can I do... I'll post when I'm awake =D

And congratulations to everyone, over 4000 posts! Good work, especially those of you that have been part of it since the beginning.

For clarification:
Wanda is received a white streak in her hair and Nicolja is the one who feels very weak.
This message was last edited by the GM at 04:53, Fri 05 June 2009.

I would like to clarify this: Klaus is still at the chapel, I'm sorry for being vague on that point :P

I can see that Wanda is not going to like the new comers to the group.

Let's hope that no one will leave, then we are not going to need replacement. I think the group is about at the optimal size. Any other opinions? If you'd think, that we should increase the size, we have the resource :)

I wasn't suggesting I would leave again.  IC there might be some conflicts coming up.

Oh no I did not mean that anyone is planning to leave :) I think no one expected of the leaving of Axel, Roland, Ulbaz and the others.

Social butterfly in Sylvania? Naah... maybe a social vampire bat, or a social carrion-crow... YES!

Wanda why are you not going to love Thorolf =D. What do you have against big, hairy, loud, pillaging barbarians =D.

Cosmina doesn't. They're fun at parties, as long as they're invited. She also has no problems with overly stuffy priests of Sigmar, well for the most part. Those vows chastity of take all the joy out of life.

I told you Linolil... I told you...

I was planning to have this letter delivered at the most inopportune moment possible.

Cool, there will be another novel of me :D

 Umm, so everyone is back at the inn?, thought some were outside looking for anyone moving around?.

Currently there is one group searching the exterior of the village(Myself, Cosmina and Thorolf) as well as Nicolja who's running around and looking for Ivan, so I assume he's left the inn as well. The only PCs at the inn are: Tyre, Manfred, Linolil and Wanda.

I don't like his right arm and his head....It's just my own oppinion....
Sorry Nagash XD

The day is generally going to be eventless, so to proceed you can determine what you do in the whole day. Like Linolil practicing with Cosmina, or if anyone wanna talk the investigation details or collect further evidences or such... If you don't do any interesting it will be a fast and eventless day...

If there is time (and they are willing) Linolil would also like to practice archery with Manfred and Ivan: three bows can do a lot of damage when they concentrate their fire and Thorolf and Klaus could shield them long enough that it would make sense.

 Let me know if you guys want to just move on. )

I am in favour of moving on.

I won't be here next day because of an exaim.....>____> I'm fed up with the exams....Nagash if you want move my character

Got it.

Well, you can say whatever you want of Ivan, but he sure's brave!
War horses are crazy - literally. Any normal horse runs away from combat, and panics when wounded. To ride it without getting it to be used to your smell and to be used of your touch shows a lot of skill and/or courage.

Come on everybody PLAY! I have to wake up :D

Wake up?

Sorry XD It seems I'm a little bit tired XD I mean I have to stay wake to can learn :D

Part of the Kossar training was with horses trained for battle. Admittedly, the horses he used weren't trained directly for charging into enemy ranks as often as Bella likely was, but more for hit and run tactics (think Mongol).

Ivan's no master horseman, but he does wear Roland's chain coif, so that should help.

Don't worry Ivan, Tyre and I will patch you up afterwards, I promise. They do need a firm hand though, so I suggest you utilize the orcish training methods when dealing with Bella, a good, strong headbutt should do the trick! :D

THUMPAWUMPA!

I seem to have problems with my internet connections, so if I don't manage to post, that is probably the reason. Maybe it is nothing, but just in case...

I jumped forward in time a bit. In the evening you can finish conversations what you want to conduct, or simply state that you go to bed or else, and then after the night scene we can proceed to the next ACT.
This message was last edited by the GM at 07:00, Tue 09 June 2009.

Unless I'm mistaken, Linolil is teaching Cosmina to evaluate as payment for teaching her how to care for animals.

Yup. But big parts can be done by talking and explaining while we take care of Bella. For example the saddle and Bella herself are excellent practice materials.

Could you remind me how many rooms we had available?

5, each with 2 beds.

Okay, are Grondbar and Ulbaz also staying at the inn?

Ulbaz is sleeping 1 room with Thorolf, but Grondbar has separate lodging.

Alright, Klaus will sleep in the common room then.
This message was last edited by the player at 08:36, Tue 09 June 2009.

Edmund wont give Klaus militia equipment, but Kurt strengthens an old wooden shield with ironing and gives to Klaus.

Sweet. Check it out, Thorolf, we're the first two foo-I mean, warriors in the meatwall!
This message was last edited by the player at 08:47, Tue 09 June 2009.

Whao, Klaus becomes quite the fighter! Now some full leather and mail for Thorolf...

Yes, then we will have improved our asskicking potential quite a bit.

I've got mixed feelings about this village, they are probably all heretical commie-mutant traitors hoping to use us a tribute to the count and make our remains into various pieces of stylish garments... On the other hand: Free stuff! :D

"What is your clearance level, citizen, that you know about the Count?"

Now we have to find a place for Ivan, Manfred and Cosmina to loot, and then a city so they can spend it all. Perhaps they will leave some scraps for us honest folk.

Although... Thorolf should have a racial +20% to looting (Note: First pillage, then burn!)

It's not looting Linolil, it's neccesary changing of ownership :)

Ah. Linolil still has some difficulty with Reikspiel.
Next time the guard makes problems about this she'll explain it like that :-)

We'll make a warrior out of you yet :)

First things first then: can you teach me how to handle an axe? Swords are so 'civilized'...

Why do you blame Thorolf so much about being barbarian? ;o). Maybe he is a shy poet deep inside, only waiting for a proper time to come out from the closet. Or maybe not *devilish look and flaming torch in hand*

Prolly wanna be a gayish stylist.

Oh, burning people/things/vamps and looting are legitimate kinds of poetry, right? We mustn't discriminate unconventional forms of artistic expression, that would be wrong :D

YES! Precisely! And why would anyone listen to the Norscan legends the barbarains tell around campfire, if they sound like "...then we politely asked the directions from them and gave them couple of pennies for it..."

Blame Thorolf? Blame him for what? Having a racial bonus is totally innocent and no reason to make nasty remarks!

(could you please put away that torch Thorolf? My clothes start to smoke.)

Right on, and the Sigmarite legends would suck equal amounts of ass if we put in stuff like "...but since they said they were really, really sorry, we forgave their heretical actions and let them off with a warning, I'm sure they won't do it again."

(I think Thorolf's pillaging-torch is standard issue though...)
This message was last edited by the player at 12:15, Tue 09 June 2009.

Is the new noble speaking in Kislevian? It seemed to be same colour, but I'm so tired that I can be mistaken...

Nope, the yellow color is not applied to me, sorry but there's too much NPCs to reserve colours for language for them. That only applies to players.

OH, I understand... I just thought that the colors applied because it was kinda special occasion to give Kislevian a different colour... No problem, I was just a bit confused

Ivan and Nicolja, please determine your place in the travelling set! It seems only one has to walk. Additional options: Change between the walking and sitting people during the travel, or one of the girls should sit in the lap of one of the boys, then no one should walk :)
This message was last edited by the GM at 06:37, Wed 10 June 2009.

OK Cosmina, I edited it

No one should walk...sweet dreams....you forgot that Nic hasn't got money...so she has to walk.....

state in the IC topic

I'm waiting for Ivan....

But okay...
This message was last edited by the player at 08:47, Wed 10 June 2009.

Nicolja can have the seat, Ivan will walk.

There's room for everyone but one of us actually, though Klaus isn't going to complain if he gets some company outside.

I think that Klaus doesn't like to walk with Nicolja :D

He might, depending on how she behaves. Though they haven't been getting along that well so far ;)

Klaus nor Nicolja would know, but Linolil has a group fund to pay for things like this.

Okay but we've got 3 seats and four people (Ivan, Klaus, Thorolf and I)

Would another person fit on up with the coachmen?(presuming that we could talk them into it of course)

Nope, not really but there is an option. Since Manfred is not a hunk guy, one slim could fit by his side at the backseat, that could be: any of the girls.

Hmm, what's the roof like?

Full of crates, barrels, and your bag :D

Bugger. Well, if one of the girls are up to it...

I've already solved the problem :D

 Silly question i suppose but doesnt a coach move alot faster then someones walking speed?.

I guess they could but they've got a movement rate of 4 as far as I know. And I believe Ivan is running.
This message was last edited by the player at 12:15, Wed 10 June 2009.

Not exactly running, rut a quite faster then walking speed, Ivan is walking fast and will be tired after some time.

Tyre, the coach has closed roof, with heavy barrels and crates on the top, it's totally closed. The only openings are the two doors, and a small window at the back.
This message was last edited by the GM at 13:36, Wed 10 June 2009.

 What i cant ride on top of the coach?, sheesh what kind of a company is this?. )

Sorry, edited. The crates and barrels are on the roof, on the top of course, and the group is inside of the coach. Well if you wish to creep amongst the cargo (Grondbar probably wont be happy) than you can :D

 Hmm, interesting piece here. seems a cop in alabama stopped a 74 year old grandma for speeding and asked her to sign the ticket, she refused, he got her out of the car and tried to move her to the side of the road. All this was on his camera in the squad car.

 She told him to quit pushing her and i guess he didnt want to jump on her to force her so he threatened to Tase her, she stuck her chin our and told him, " go on, i dare ya", he tried a couple more times to get her in the squad car with words and she wasnt going to do it, so after the last I dare ya, he did. Hmm, what would you do?. )

I suspect she stood it without a blink... Usually grannies are hardcore bitches!
This message was last edited by the GM at 16:42, Wed 10 June 2009.

Uh-oh, I'm getting WFB-flashbacks...

OK, I admit there was many grammatical flaws in that ghost poem, but I'm improved since! :D

Nothing wrong with man-handling grannies.
It's a national sport in some remote regions of china.

So Tyre is laying on the crates and bags on the top of the coach right now?

 How ever he has to, trying to stay on top of the coach, now if Ivan decideds that he wants to be up there too, we might have some crowding.

Im going to be away for the weekend, leaving at 9am friday (GMT+2) and coming back in the sunday evening. So GM, your show again, try not to waste my precious FPs =D

Linolil, you can store such things like that poem in the Character Chronicles thread.

Situation picture is up.

OH NOES! HIGHWAY BANDITS!

At least he isn't ethereal. :P

...Hairy one?.. sheesh.

Curse this sudden but inevitable betrayal.

What am I missing?   "two idoits with firearms"

Who is the second one?

Well the other coachman is in to it, although he hasn't pulled a weapon yet.

Sad smile: I knew what Roland would have done...

Tyre is NOT on the top of the coach. If he is even climbed there, Grondbar ordered him off from there because of the fragile cargo. Tyre is sitting inside.

Well that was a well spend FP. If you get shot Tyre and Nicolja (Linolil doesn't know about the area of effect from a Blunderbuss) I am sorry.

But waiting to be eaten is worse.

Oh crap, ghouls. I hate ghouls.

Well, Ordric is done for: bleeding wounds when you are surrounded by Ghouls... Plus he is weakened: I don't know what Nicolja hit him with (nice by the way Nicolja!) but the dagger was 17 hits.

I just used a magic called Drop...

There go Ivan's dreams of a warm tavern bed.

Simple and effective. Consider me impressed!

Not to mention our opportunity to loot the bastard, right, Ivan? The blunderbuss alone was worth 70gc! ;) If he could've just stayed alive until we'd escaped...:P

Optimistic: ghouls have no idea how to work a blunderbuss, so we just have to take them all.

Damn! If only Ivan knew how much those things were worth, ghoul or not, nothing would have stopped him from a grade A looting opportunity!

Right, we'll have to remember to pick up the blunderbuss after we've killed the few hundred ghouls that have infested the village ;)

Indeed, we have to be professional about things like this.

Ivan don't forget, you got -20% to BS and WS while tries to hold on the moving coach!

GM, from Linolil's POV, are we slowly breaking away from these ghouls, or are more and more showing up on the road ahead?

Also, how big does Margurele seem to be? A lot bigger than Folburg, that is clear.
This message was last edited by the player at 09:39, Fri 12 June 2009.

I post a map of it in the Documents thread. Altough the party cannot see whole Magurele, but it's good to determine it's size. The important, "outstanding" thing is, that there is a stone temple in the middle of the town, with a high tower and a wall around it, that's even visible from the coach. Probably the only stone, not ramshackle building in the whole town, that could give shelter.
This message was last edited by the GM at 09:46, Fri 12 June 2009.

The ghouls are coming from the alleys, streets, houses, roofs in front of you as you approach. They try to catch the coach, horses but if they miss it, they are too far away or drops down they join the mass that pursuits the party... Yep a big bunch of ghouls following you... but the coach and the horses bit faster and the cannibals are falling behind yard by yard.
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:09, Fri 12 June 2009.

 Hmmm, stop this coach so we can smash um, umm thats why i cant hit anything the coach is moving. Say, anyone have some  gernades handy?.

A flamer would be much useful

I would prefer an Eagle Claw Bolt Thrower.

No, we should get a steam tank, that would be kickass.

Well, looking at wounds it is clear that while being on horseback gives you much more freedom of action it is also a lot more dangerous :-(
As an artist/archer Linolil never paid great attention to armour, but on horseback...

If it's any consolation, Ivan isn't faring much better.

Time for some cinematic moves...
If we time things correctly we can just pull in Cosmina before the gate's post takes her head of (Cosmina, you do have some fps left, don't you?)

Back from the trip and I just read the mess we are in =D. Lets see if can get through this...

Typical Norseman, sits there and watches poor old Kislevians get a battering.
And you wonder why Ivan's always staring :)

Hey, you guys remember the dwarves said their cargo was fragile, right? Are you thinking what I'm thinking? Kabooom! :D

Axel would be proud

Well the coach driver has a very good reason to keep the coach upright: his life. He was in on the job, but he knows that a group of ghouls would not stop at eating us. That's the problem with ghouls: once the go for food they just don't stop. Now we very well might just execute him, but that is one hand less in defense. And right now we need everybody.

Plus it is classic: bad guy locked up with good guys and lots of totally evil creatures trying to get in.
This message was last edited by the player at 14:47, Mon 15 June 2009.

 Hmm, i would ask Klaus what he is doing wrapping Cosmina with that wide shield but iam to polite to do such a thing.

 Another silly question?, i do hope the gates are open, just cant see any horse trying to run thru a bared gate.?.

Haha Ivan, you got me there =D. To Thorolf's protection I have to mention that I'm coming towards you all the time... For some odd reason I think I have slight movement penalties while crawling forward on the roof of a moving coach =D

Yes, the driver's best chance at survival is probably sucking up to the PCs as much as possible. He might be worried that we will just execute him as soon as we've escaped however(I know I would be), which means he'll probably ditch us as soon as possible, so we'll need a leash for him:D

Oh trust me, Tyre, that is the last thing on Klaus' mind at the moment, he's rather busy not dying ;)

Klaus the funny thing would be that Cosmina and Klaus lay close together, waiting for the inevitable crash... which does not happen. The coach just came to a halt.

Now then it would be the moment that they had to disentangle knowing full well how close they were together.

I can see the picture.

For clarification: Thorolf is carrying the bags: Only Ivan's bag and the party bag was on the coach.

I was very happy that Thorolf took our backpack, but there is still a lot of stuff on the carriage: the dwarven 'special' stuff, the nobles things, perhaps even a chest with Odric's and Dirk's ill gotten gains.

Linolil also isn't sure what happened to the second horse.

We might not require whatever is inside, but 'beter mee verlegen dan om verlegen' in dutch (better needless than needed) is the smart thing in sieges.

Further clarifications:
The coachmen's chest held the blunderbuss, it was pretty obvious after they opened it, then Odric appeared with the gun in hand.
The dwarf stuff is dozens of very heavy crates and barrels, still roped on the roof.

:'(

Oh well. Not even a small chest with the bad oils and veil slippers of our nobleman? You are making him stay with 'common people', and now you take away his luxuries.

You evil GM, you!

Well the noble's stuff is still on the roof, but Bertolf is about to take it (He did not take it yet though he will just in the next round, so VULTURES THERE IS THE PREY!)
This message was last edited by the GM at 18:15, Wed 17 June 2009.

Congrats all of us! 4700 posts. Five thousand is not far away =D.

"GO!"
"Not without you!"

*As a result, everybody stands around, each refusing to leave the area. Slaughter occurs.*

Heh, you've got a point I guess. Personally, I think it's the media's fault, they're always glorifying "The Selfless Last Stand of The Martyr" ;)
This message was last edited by the player at 18:15, Wed 17 June 2009.

One of our friend is still in the cart...and I'm not sure that he will stay alive if we let him alone outside with the ghouls...
So Tyre hurry..hurry....

 you do notice that its the "Survivors" that get to honor the hero who died trying to slow down the horde?.

Actually, Tyre has already left the coach, if I'm not mistaken.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:18, Wed 17 June 2009.

I think he's in the cart because I can't see his name on the map :S

Yup, he will fight till he drops but taal has given wisdom to know when there is no chance to win and right now the granite building of a temple looks to be the best chance to survive.(thats if he makes it that far).<grin>

Oh, I didn't notice that but you're right, Nicolja. I assumed he left the coach before Klaus since he's ahead of him in the initiative order but it seems the third person on the coach was Ulbaz.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:47, Wed 17 June 2009.

 Hmm, not sure iam even showing on the display but his intentions was to grab his bag and another if he can before running for the temple.

With the amount of combat we're in, perhaps we should learn some basic combat manoeuvres. Of course Linolil is trained (mandatory for all Ulthuan elves), but I'm not sure the elven way of fighting work with humans.

It's a pity nobody in the group has a spear, Linolil is skipping classes. >smile<

Not a bad idea, but I'm not sure that we'll ever have the time to drill, the entire group is rarely free at the same time and I've got a feeling the pace is going up rather than down ;)

I guess it'd be a good idea to share tactics.

Getting in the neighbourhood of discussion tactics OC, but this is all long term, nothing to do with the current 'battle':

- Thorolf needs heavier armour
- Cosmina, Nicolja, and Wanda need ranged weapons of some sort
- Perhaps Manfred could upgrade to a normal bow

But most important is positioning, but that's get close to the current situation, so I'll hold on that one.

Yeah, I agree that Thorolf should get more armour, but I haven't got that far in the actual role playing. It does show quite significant adaptation to the Empire, and I'm not 100% sure that Thorolf is that far yet (+he does not have enough money and I doubt I'll find a fitting one in battle, as the barbarian is a bit...hhmmm.... huge =D). But leather and mail armour would be nice.

I was actually thinking about getting a bow to Thorolf and discarding the 2-handed sword. That darn thing is so heavy and not needed unless facing some bad-ass uber-toughness/armor boss =D. I think that a couple more bows would make a good archer regiment ;oD. Getting a bow would bring Thorolf little closer to his childhood, as he was not warrior before he became a warrior. I'm sure you get my point =D

All Elves would agree: bows are good.

But.

We currently lack people to keep the bad guys from overrunning the mages and the archers. Klaus is looking like a Sigmarite battle tank (sorry, Klaus), Ivan is a pretty dependable front line fighter (unless he has to get Nicolja out of the front lines), but with 9 PCs that is a bit meagre.

We now have two dwarf NPCs, but I'm not sure how how well they would integrate. The bodyguard will likely stick with the oh so noble man.

I've got no idea how Taal would look on a follower wearing metal armour, but at least Tyre has shown that he will cheerfully counter charge two or three dire-wolves. So clearly he has got the right mindset :-)

According to the elven way of battle this group just does to little damage while the enemy closes in.

As soon as we're in the temple we should discuss things IC.

(If we don't manage that, this point is moot anyway.)
This message was last edited by the player at 08:42, Thu 18 June 2009.

And Cosmina is basically luggage in a fight.

Well, perhaps now she is, but she won't stay that way.

Funny thing about elf armies: no camp followers, so Linolil will just assume you don't have the right equipment yet and try to help you get it.

Even if she just loads guns for somebody else, she can still be of use.

Yeah, we'll just have to wait and see... I think Thorolf would be even more intimidating sight in full mail armour =D. Can't imagine him wearing plate anytime soon though. But what do you think about weaponry overall. I have the big sword, but I can make aimed attacks AND parry, if I use hand weapon and a shield. And I'll stay alive longer. There would be no problem otherwise, but as the group is so damn big, hostile encounters tend to be too big for Thorolf alone. Too many enemies that one kill in a round would be enough (and not even mentioning the 2-to-1 or worse situations that tend to follow in these kind of encounters). Maybe I'll let Ivan be our smasher while Thorolf hides behind the shield =D

Oh by the way, it has been mentioned in the critics thread, that you guys would like to see encounters where you don't have to stay and fight until they die... well... here it is *evil grin*

So we fight until we all die?  ;)

*The evil genie smiles*
What is your second wish?
This message was last edited by the GM at 09:34, Thu 18 June 2009.

Evil Evil GM. The greatest Evil there is, is when you get what you asked for. Let's see how this turns out... Maybe this time we have to stay and fight until WE die *Evil grin as he prepares himself for the Glorious Last Stand Of The Mighty Hero* =D

Personally I love four or five to one odds encounter like this. Almost perfect siege odds (anything above 10:1 means you loose anyway unless you're in a dwarven fortress. That needs 20:1 or betrayal/dark magic).

But next time I must bring more arrows >grin<

We're doomed.
DOOMED!

This round has a perfect example of why we should need to discuss tactics.

I will have to think about what Linolil knows.

 Dont worry, i have saved us, i stuck a sign on the coach that reads "Do not look in the boxes". What are the odds the ghouls will have to come see and discover the dwarfs explosives?.

25 base combat skills.

She's luggage. She was CREATED to be luggage.

Fun isn't it. I had a totally different career path in mind when I started with Linolil. Then things happened and the group needed certain skills.

Things never go as planned.

In truth I reckon there'd likely be some similarity in Elven and Kossar tactics. fingers crossed we survive for the right time/place.

Likely Ivan. The fact that Kislev still exists means that you know when to run away - or least enough of you to rebuild things afterwards.

'Tactical retreat' :)

 Sheesh, thats a military term?. I always call it the ADVANCE to the REAR in my language, that way iam always moving forward, i never retreat. )

It keeps the manliness about it :)

I wonder how many times I have to say "I enter the temple" before he actually lets me enter the freckin' temple. :P

Perhaps because Dirk is in the way?

Or perhaps because something terrible is inside (now munching on Bella), and we will all be allowed to make one final terror check before TPK.

Dots and no grid makes it difficult to estimate distance, though.

In my games it's a 4 quantity, minimum.
:)

GM, important factoid: do the doors open to the outside, or to the inside?

To the inside.

By the way, those are standing "on the door" are already in the temple but I just only wanted to make an interior picture next round.

Added a picture to my characters description why she's carrying throwing knives.

Odric discovered that too: you can tell when somebody is reaching for bow...

In reply to GM (msg #214):

That doesn't make sense. Sigmaries are all about defensibility and that pretty much kills the possibility of using the temple as a defensive posistion.

In reply to Cosmina Petrescu (msg #217):

I'm sorry but it's a pretty dumb nit-picking since the temple has a wall around it... It opens inwards!

GM,
"pretty dumb nit-picking"
is rather impolite.

For one thing, it is not dumb.
This message was last edited by the player at 18:27, Fri 19 June 2009.

It is, since a door opening inward, pretty much defensible than one opening outside. You can hold it with something/someone from the inside, but pulling it to prevent from opening is much harder...
... but that's not the reason why this suggestion was nit-picking: Not every Sigmarite temples are "all about defenses", it's a stereotyped phrase. After all it's just a simple temple... I do not make further arguments...

All fortress doors open inward, otherwise there it destroys the use of a porticulis. We're just lucky that this temple isn't made of wood, I swear the only stone in Sylvania is from the ruined castles...

As we were coming to the temple did we notice how high it was?  Another story?  Upstairs windows?  Or anything of the sort?

And also what is the altar made of?  Is it stone?
This message was last edited by the player at 20:46, Fri 19 June 2009.

Yes the altar is of stone. The temple has a tower as I mentioned earlier.

Just to get the picture clear: where is the back door? Behind the alter (below the window)?

In that case what are the two markings on the side walls?

The sole inner door should lead to the tower stairs. Right?

Nope... the backdoor is the small black line at the left side of the nave.

Ok.

Lot's of ideas, but I'll wait until the other players have a chance to say/do something.

Is the coachman carrying any weapons?

He has a lash in his hand, and a sword on the belt.

With Tyre's last healing check I got to think about how to work with the fact we've got two characters with healing in the group. It would feel strange that each could work after the other, and even best-of feels, well, wrong.

DM, how would you feel about this cooperation rule:
  each character supporting another character doing something will add
  a +5% bonus per skill rank or pertinent feat he has on that same skill.

There is a maximum of the amount of character working together on a skill, but it usually depends on circumstances.

I think it will vary from case to case, and will handle each time.

Things happened again while I wrote my post.

Edited it to get it up-to-date.

Linolil, you cannot keep the door closed with a bench until Klaus cannot close it.

Whoops, I thought Linolil went upstairs, I should have read your post more carefully, sorry about that.

This is one of those time that I really miss that we're not all sitting around a table playing. What Linolil wants to do is easily show with three piece of lego and a pencil, but much harder in words :-(

We'll do it the old fashioned way by just raw strength - we're in Stirland anyway: they prefer old fashioned.

I had to laugh at the Linolil - Klaus speech.

"What if we did this, and that, and..."
"Bitch help me! This ain't no time for a leisurely chat!"

I updated my post to describe what items Klaus took.

Where in the temple was Manfred during his last post?
This message was last edited by the player at 13:38, Sun 21 June 2009.

Grondbar was trabbed not Ulbaz, so I assume Linolil shoot at there.

Yup sorry, already saw the error and fixed it.

The pressure level is raising...

And finally we've got the means for a real battle climax, an engineer and blackpowder! I can't wait for the explosions... :)

Thanks Klaus...>___________> I won't forget this.....

I'm sorry if you feel offended, that was not my intention.

Between entering the temple and now were about fifteen minutes. Linolil's time is accounted for, but some people could have made other preparations. For example Linolil asked for wedges, and proposed a traps (horrible idea but it was a Baldric moment). I wonder if anybody did something with that or had other ideas.

Cosmina was trying to bar the door with wood early on which was conveniently forgotten.

There was no useful handle to put the bolt on.

I'm going to wait a bit to see what Manfred, Ivan, Tyre, and Thorolf will do - who will respond to the threatening situation with the back(side)door.

In answer to Klaus (237)

Oops I thought I had come downstairs.

 Tyre is downstairs

I'm getting a bit confused about where every character stands and so on. Soon there is going to be a fight and I know that GM has very good maps for those situations, but could we get one before the fight to place the characters.

And could you GM tell me the stats for the armor so that I can modify my char profile =D

That is a mail shirt.
You got all the maps about the temple. Specify your character's position.

Thorolf roll for initiative. Attack against the ghouls hands with +20 of WS

I told you to kill the man...but no no keep him alive...great idea....
This message was last edited by the GM at 10:58, Mon 22 June 2009.

Well Nicolja, I could not agree more with you, but doesn't this make things more interesting =D. Now you can chase him around with a sword or knife, screaming like a fisherman's wife, while casting ice balls and what not. Sounds very entertaining to me =D

Can we please keep IC arguments in the IC threads? I'm not looking for another OOC fight.

Don't look at me, I wanted to throw him to the Ghouls :)

And we're not having IC arguments. We're having playful, good spirited OOC griping and sniping. ;)

Just checking, Klaus had put down two crossbows and five healing draughts somewhere in the nave.  As far as I know Manfred and Linolil took a draught, but those two crossbows, and three draughts are still lying there? Oh and a couple of swords and other stuff, but that's less important.

Okay, just thought I'd better be safe than sorry.

Actually, Linolil, I think Thorolf moved the crossbows and the draughts to the stairs at Klaus' request(msg#503).
This message was last edited by the player at 16:00, Mon 22 June 2009.

:-( missed that one.

Still it's a waste that nobody took them. Even with a BS of 20% a 1:5 chance is better than no chance at all, and a xbow hit does serious damage.

Same goes for the draughts.

Oh well, water under the bridge and all that.

Ivan's arm is buggered and he has a bow.
I'll leave it there.

Someone still might, though most people are either unable to use it or already have a missile weapon.

Well persons without a missile weapon:
Wanda, Nicolja, Cosmina, Klaus, and Thorolf.

Yes the mages have their ranged attack, but to much magic use as a apprentice is a sure way to get IPs. A crossbow can be a nice backup. Klaus and Thorolf might be front-line fighters, but a long range missile weapon is handy if you fight from behind cover or if the enemy is spotted at range. Cosmina really should have some ranged weapon.

Right, Cosmina seems like the most obvious person to carry one of them(assuming she wants to, of course.), as for the other one I suppose Thorolf would be the best person to use it, simply because of his career. Then again, the most important question is, in my opinion: Who wants a crossbow?
This message was last edited by the player at 19:23, Mon 22 June 2009.

Might aswell make Cosmina our new Bella.

How many crossbows are there?  Also do you need to be trained to use it?

Yes there is a Special Weapon Group for that.

 Use it like a club Wanda. )

This is the mage's way my son
:D

? There is a special weapon group 'crossbow', but you only need it for crossbow-pistol and repeater crossbow. Like you need the special weapon group longbow for (longbow,elfbow), but you can use normal bow and shortbow as Ordinary.

So these crossbows should be usable by anybody.

I wont be using the crossbow then.  Which is a bit of a shame Wanda's BS is pretty good.

As I posted above the basic rules allow anybody to use a plain crossbow.

Does our GM have variant rules?

Ok Ok, It's true, Linolil is right. Go ahead loot the stuff ;)

Ok, first first second.  How many are there?

There were two, fifteen bolts.

Tyre can also hear the rumble from upstairs, so he can also act in the round.

The sound is coming from up in the tower?

Nope.
Tyre was in the basement.

Nope, from the ground level, where Wanda and the others are.

5000!!!!

KHORNE DA... I mean... SIGMAR DAMNIT! HALF THOUSAND!

GM, congratulations. As well as kudos to all the excellent players.

Champagne anyone? :)

I want I want !

GM said "Tyre can also hear the rumble from upstairs"

What rumble?

The attack of Dirk, the fall of Klaus and Thorolf, the crash of the holding board, the ghouls trying to come in... the shouting of Wanda, Linolil, Ivan... etc.

Here you go:

Someone should change the soccer players to the characters with photoshop :D

And all the supporters into ghouls :D

>GRIN<

In reply to Klaus Schultz (msg #289):
In suits :D

Right on. The dwarves should also be in the picture... on stilts! ;)

Corn-dog for the ghouls.

Edited my post, concerning Wanda's casting.

Sorry Nic. I only missed by 3.

Thorolf and Klaus, please make strength test in every round!

I missed my magic too...plus 1 insanity point....

Bummer, insanity points are a bitch. I don't think you could though, I'm not that well-read on the rules of spell-casting, but when you are grappled you can't take any action besides the opposed strength test to break loose. So you shouldn't have been able to even attempt casting a spell(and therefore you shouldn't have been able to fail and get an IP either), unless casting is an exception to that rule.

THe insanity rules in 2nd edition are out to lunch. I personally like the ones in 40k rp alot better. Much better done

True, there is no way (except through 'epic' means) to loose IPs.

Most of us are on 2 or 3, the mages likely a bit higher.

That and the insanities are all but crippling to your characters.

The ones in the 40k game make you go from normal to quirky, to weird, to nuts, to start raving lunatic.

The WFRP 2e ones skip right to lunatic.

I dunno, I think it depends on which insanity you get. S'all about Delirious saviour :)

Yes, most of them are not much fun to roleplay for the simple reason that if you do any sane party member would leave you ASAP.

What I could see is that a true believer could be blessed by getting some IPs removed for really following the strictures and doing a heroic deed for the faith. That would make faith a real life saver for 'adventurers', without having to create miracles. So miracles would be really really rare, but the character would sleep better at night.

True, the insanities are severe in WFRP and loonies make terrible companions, they are rather unnerving after all. Then again, if we all were insane...;)

 Umm, can we make a cleric called Dr. freud who specialized in curing insanity?.

Ah, dr.Freund, dr.Ziggy Freund.

He'll just open your skull, and cut out those parts that have those nasty memories.

Sure you forgot what happened, perhaps even who you are, but you sleep well!

(Sometimes sleep is all you do, but that's the price for progress).

And above is totally with the rules! Nice Ehh?

I agree that in this game Insanity is quite a bitch. In 1.ed the actual insanities were not so bad and encouraged RP, but in this game it is usually time to retire the character if they get one...

I personally think, that rolling out everything won't lead to any good in a Roleplay, it takes away a style from a character. So I'm not in, rolling the insanities when someone gets one, also I'm opened to work out new ones, fitting more to the characters (and maybe not being that hardcore), first insanities could be minor ones, but when someone getting the third, fourth it could improve a bit ;)

By the way, sorry about the low pace nowdays guys, but I'm learning for my state exam to achieve my degree at last... It will be on Thursday, so pull for me PLZ! I'M FRICKIN' NERVOUS!...
...khm... so until that I won't be able to post too much, but I'll keep the daily 1 post at least...
... but after that...
READY TO RUMBLE!

Wish you all the best. We can hold out till Friday.

Really.

I agree. I wish you luck and success!

"May your pen never run out of ink"

I personally think, that rolling out everything won't lead to any good in a Roleplay, it takes away a style from a character. So I'm not in, rolling the insanities when someone gets one, also I'm opened to work out new ones, fitting more to the characters (and maybe not being that hardcore), first insanities could be minor ones, but when someone getting the third, fourth it could improve a bit ;)

Or you could optionally have the some of the same insanities get worse and worse as time goes on. ;)

 Hmm, if we had a good shield wall like the romans we could form at the door and cut them down as they pushed themselves against the sword wall.?

Careful Tyre, I think that constitutes as Tactics.

and who will save me? :'(

I will try, this time I wont shoot you.

Thanks :D
But I thought that a brave man will save me ;)

Ivan can't snipe him, not with his arm.

As in any hostage situation, timing and attention is the key. With Odric the people in the coach held most of his attention. Even if the drop-spell had not worked I had high hopes that 17 hits on his hand (called shot) would have done the trick.

Now in this situation Linolil tries to hold Dirk's attention. For her to move first would be really stupid. But she tries to hold Dirk's attention so others may have their opportunity.

Don't know if it will work this way, but there is a kind of balance in helping and being helped, in a small act that influences the battle later on. The Dutch regiment holding the crossroads, which meant the French left wing was slightly late on the field against Blucher which meant he could extract his army, which meant the next day at Waterloo the French right wing could not break through because Blucher arrived.

It's good story telling: it makes unimportant acts important, so the characters never dismiss 'unimportant' actions; there are no unimportant actions.

Thanks for your patience guys and also your good wishes. I passed!
Flawless state exam, and 4/5 rating to my degree :)

That means we'll b on the track again, with full throttle. I'll post this evening, then speed up the pace :)

HOORAY!

 Hmmm, does that mean you get the BIG money now?. <grin> O and congrats.

Congrats GM, now I know rich people if I ever come to visit =D (like you would ever admit knowing me anyway =D )

Drinks all round!

*drinks Ivan under the table* =D

It was the first thing what came into my mind XD always the drink :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...F9CF2B4&index=10

No Big money, but when the boss will come home from abroad I'll try to persuade him ;)

This starts to look desperate.

How about playing dead? No, wait... riiiiiight, they're cannibals, never mind.

We're running out of options pretty fast, but there are still a few defensive options untried.

Fun thing of course is that mister Bad should arrive* soon. I mean, we freed Bella. Just having the ghouls kills us would hardly be 'revenge', now would it.

*) arrive/unmask or something on those lines.

Perhaps he's The Noble.
IN TEH DISGUISES!!!1111

Nice attack Ivan! And smart thinking of Tyre - if you fall your reflex is to tty and break it.

Hopefully it's enough :-/

Shooting in melee with 3 friendlies and 1 enemy is just to riscy, sorry.

Heh, the dice roller is finally coming around it seems, I've got a feeling that Dirk will be missing his favorite head before the next round! ;)

As for the Big Bad, I think we're fucked if he shows up. If it really is Zerdichai, he's several centuries old(A count! No wimpy fledgling.) and the manipulative sort rather than bestial(since he apparently had the will and ability to make unholy pacts with the Launkdorf family), so odds are that he's pretty smart. That means he'll probably let the numberless horde wear us down before making an appearance(if he even does, I doubt a count would even consider us worthy of a personal vendetta).

Looking on the bright side however, I don't think there's a vampire coming to the temple. The only 'real' reason we have to believe one is coming is what Dirk said(and even that was vague), and Dirk doesn't seem very sane or honest in my opinion.
This message was last edited by the player at 13:40, Fri 26 June 2009.

Dirk not honest?
How can you say such things, Klaus!

Alright, alright. I'm sorry, Dirk... :(

Player almost dropped of his chair laughing.

Thanks Ivan & Klaus.

We aim to please. ;)

Speaking of which, Ivan: If/when we die, we should totally make our next characters as a Barber-surgeon & Bodyguard/Thug/Neck-breaker-of-your-choice duo!

You have Fate Points. They're MADE for situations like this!

 Scratches his head at Ivan. hmm, i was closer to dirk then the map shows Ivan was yet somehow Ivan got there first and made an attack. Checks to see if his legs had changed to dwarf legs somehow, nope still human. Just wondering.

It one of the flaws with Initiative, it assumes that everyone is at the same distance. It may well be that Ivan's attack misses or maims Nicolja due to you tackling her, or it may leave him exposed for the final blow from Ivan.

Just have to wait and see, eh?
I have a feeling that fate points may not work as well as they would normally here. The ghouls eat you as soon as you fall, so unless you have players to help you up...you may need to roll up a new character.

And it's a deal Klaus :)

 Hmm, cant be human Klaus, thats too many careers for their short life span. My choice was dwarf pit fighter-veteran-champion, thats a tough char. )

I once was in a game where we were in a situation much like this. We were in a fortified Coaching Inn about to be My GM at the time said that Fate Points were like markers to be traded in for a Dues Ex Machina. One of the players said "I burn a fate point to get us out of this mess."

GM nodded, told him to mark it off on his sheet and continued as before. Player got annoyed but the GM had this annoying little smile. About 20 rounds later we heard a thundering from outside the inn, and the Orcs started to panic and flee.

It seemes a large group of Knights Panther "just happened" to be riding through the area, saw some foul Orcs up to their old mischief and decided to deal with the problem. ;)

We took a beating but we DIDN'T DIE, and the knights complimented us on our own number of Orc kills. At least then the Squire wasn't fawning over them.

Thse kind of situations catch me from my blind side. As the games I have GMd and played in during the years have been much smaller, I have very seldom dealt with a horde of enemies. Or then those enemies were not trying to eat particularily us =D.

Anyway the scene is awesome and I have finally found a good reason to use defensive stance. Now I can die happy =D

Cosmina would rather that you lived. There are things she's considering doing to him that are quite unseemly if done to a corpse. ;)

In situations like this (you have to buy time) defensive stance & parry, or guarded attack can be a real smart move.

But with some luck you took down two this round so you might have a chance to close the door. One or two ghouls would be inside with you, but 2:1 would be acceptable odds.

I have a feeling time may be an issue here Linolil ;)
Here's hoping your aim is true.

Just used my last xp the raise WS to protect your asses =D. Hurry guys, this situation is getting a bit uncomfortable ;oD

Well Ivan, my aim was as true as yours.

Two perfect Ulric's furies wasted.

And you did not even get a free attack.

Dirk is really something special.

Just get to the tower.... pretty Norscan-axe-in-hand please =D

The problem was just that, Linolil acted after Dirk in initiative order, and Dirk moved out from Linolil's sight... well that's life.

Oh, no objection against that. But Ivan really should have had a free swing.

I think that is the unfair part about this double blind combat system you have running. IT works well enough to keep the game moving but she wouldn't have taken that action should she have known, which she would have on a table top. In all fairness you should let her do what you had me do with the Crossbow attack.

It is true that on her initiative Linolil could have moved forward, establishing LOS, and fired. No aim, but also no melee, so the roll would be identical.

To be clear, I don't mind special NPCs who have fortune/fate points and who can do things PC's never can.

I do. :P

I don't mind it when GM's are evil just as long as they don't CHEAT.

All in all, I think Dirk is not important. The only important thing he did was holding Nicolja... Now he is unimportant again. And If you all don't come to the tower soon, everything else is going to be unimportant also =D