G-Rizzle
 member, 370 posts
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Tue 23 Mar 2010
at 20:25
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
Wow, and to think I was tempted to not post this because I thought it was a dumb idea. I'm glad I didnt now.  :)
Alhaja
 member, 364 posts
Wed 24 Mar 2010
at 04:09
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
Definitely a cool idea, though not my highest priority.
Triad
 member, 82 posts
 Kiengir Adventures
 Suffers fools rarely.
Sun 6 Nov 2011
at 22:20
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1 for both this and this.
Whimper3
 member, 21 posts
Sat 12 Nov 2011
at 14:58
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1 I would find this especially useful for viewing threads with multiple private lines to various parties.  Since the tiniest misspelling can make a private line public to everyone (but still look private to the author), I often would like to double check just how the page would appear to players A, B, or C.

Logging out will let me view things as they are seen by the public, but very few of my threads are publicly viewable anyway, so this is not a solution.
LonePaladin
 member, 353 posts
 Creator of HeroForge
Tue 31 Jan 2012
at 16:45
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
++

(Sorry, I've been thinking in code.)

The ability to view a post from different perspectives would be invaluable for GMs who like to use PLs frequently. With the recent addition of language filters, it's doubly important -- this would allow a GM to double-check a post to make sure each player is seeing it properly, and that they're not being denied information or seeing details that should be hidden.
darksong
 member, 241 posts
Tue 31 Jan 2012
at 19:32
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
Definitely have wished for this in the past.
+1
YoungSkullKid
 member, 35 posts
 Amor Vincit Omnia
 Dance with the Angels
Tue 26 Jun 2012
at 09:19
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1

It is a genius idea, i wish i came up with it >>

A player perspective option would be invaluable...like the oh so powerful 'Preview' Button. On a player level we can assure that our PLs to other players are properly seen and not missing...

This message was last edited by the user at 09:22, Tue 26 June 2012.

erbridge
 member, 42 posts
Wed 27 Jun 2012
at 15:09
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1

Yes please.
bigbadron
 moderator, 12960 posts
 He's big, he's bad,
 but mostly he's Ron.
Wed 27 Jun 2012
at 15:30
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
Just to ask a quick question here... which player?

Since players can belong to different thread Groups and to different language Groups/Private Line Groups it's not going to be as simple as just temporarily removing the GM's viewing privileges.

It'll also mean specifying which player he needs to be able to see as.  For example, if the GM wants to check that all the PL's to the Elven Group are set up correctly, there's no sense switching to a player view that won't let him see those PLs, and if the player view can see all PLs anyway, then it's no different from the GM view.
jazzman831
 member, 641 posts
Wed 27 Jun 2012
at 19:03
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
LoreGuard already addressed this in post #6: The dropdown box doesn't say "Player/GM", it lists all the players.
Bifford
 member, 29 posts
 Semington RPG Group (UK)
 LARP, RPG & Photography
Fri 29 Jun 2012
at 14:19
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
I too would like this feature :)
drew0500
 member, 57 posts
 D&D Gamer
 Eclipse Classless
Sun 19 Aug 2012
at 01:04
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1

It would be nice to see the game as a player to make sure the editing and hidden notes are set up properly.

It also shows me what exactly they see if I assign them to Z group.
HzSoul
 member, 4 posts
Mon 3 Sep 2012
at 18:31
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
A +1 from me. It could definitely help if you ever have both a GM character set up alongside a Player character in the same game, or just multiple player characters, to help avoid posting in the wrong mindset.
JacobJ
 member, 11 posts
Mon 3 Sep 2012
at 18:49
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1

I was thinking of suggesting this myself :)
Utsukushi
 member, 1066 posts
 I should really stay out
 of this, I know...but...
Mon 3 Sep 2012
at 19:08
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
If I understand it right, Mods already have an option that lets them stop being Mods for a while while they go into the games they're playing in.  But I seem to remember once that they were saying it wasn't letting them step back up afterwards, so I don't know if they actually use it...grin  Could be a worry for setting this kind of thing up for GMs, though - if it glitches, the glitch is likely to be bad.

bigbadron:
It'll also mean specifying which player he needs to be able to see as.  For example, if the GM wants to check that all the PL's to the Elven Group are set up correctly, there's no sense switching to a player view that won't let him see those PLs, and if the player view can see all PLs anyway, then it's no different from the GM view.

As I understand the reason people want this kind of thing, psychologically, they probably mostly do want to go to a player that won't let them see the Elven Group - a lot of times you just kind of want to make sure that only the right people are seeing things in the right way.  I've, um, heard, from...a friend, that sometimes, this friend of mine, has missed a letter or something in someone's name setting up a Private Line, and then the person that I...er, my friend...was sending it to, couldn't see it.  If the Preview button had a quick dropdown so that I could have said, "Preview as...", I could have checked that and noticed that.

Um, if, you know, I had been looking over my friend's shoulder.  Or she could have done it herself, even.  She's very independent like that.  Makes her own peanut butter and jelly sandwiches, too.

I don't know.  I'm not at all sure I'd take the time to review every post from every player's perspective, but I can think of times it'd be nice to double-check how it looked for someone in particular.  If it's doable, I'd give it a +1.

So +1, for the drop-down, single-message Preview-from-a-Player's-View option.

Being able to step back and look at the whole game from a specific Player's View... would be helpful, both psychologically and practically, for GMs running a PC, especially if they're doing it secretly.  It might even, as a side-effect, be a way for the GM to simulate said PC "logging in" in the Cast List without having to make a post for them, since I do know players sometimes do that.  But it sounds like lots more trouble, not just from the programming standpoint, but as the GM - a much bigger "step back", and with more potential for errors and complexity.  So I'm a +0 there.  Maybe even a -0.  (Which is still a zero, but, you know, leaning the other way.)
bigbadron
 moderator, 13144 posts
 He's big, he's bad,
 but mostly he's Ron.
Mon 3 Sep 2012
at 19:48
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
In reply to Utsukushi (msg # 27):

Your friend could avoid that PM issue by selecting the names from the drop down list provided, rather than trying to spell the names by hand.
matthewfenn
 member, 242 posts
 www.nj-pbem.com
 Northern Journey PBeM DM
Tue 4 Sep 2012
at 07:53
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1 for me.

The situation where I would find it particularly useful is when I have a GM post that has several PMs clustered together within it - it becomes very difficult when writing it to imagine how it will look to players who don't see some or all of the PMs.  Especially if you don't want the people who don't get the PMs to see extra carriage returns or hints that they might be missing something...  It IS possible to work it out, but it would be sooooo much easier to simply select a player from a drop-down and hit preview....
Utsukushi
 member, 1069 posts
 I should really stay out
 of this, I know...but...
Tue 4 Sep 2012
at 19:40
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
My friend finds that drop-down menu out-of-the-way, and the popup text box distracting.  I mean, it's all very nice for what it does, but especially when I'm on a smaller screen, I have to scroll down even to get to that box, or the various coding links, and it's just easier to type it in myself*.  The Preview button, on the other hand, is right next to the Post button, so I'm there anyway.  It's on the way.  I do still have to scroll down for it on a small screen, but that's not in the middle of a post, so it's not disruptive.

Anyway, my +1 is just that this seems like it could be useful sometimes, while I can't imagine when it would be actually harmful.  It's not awesome, like Language Groups, or being able to have private lines show as regular text.  For example.



*- It's important to be friends with yourself, right?  And yes, I do my own <sup><red>, too.  Also, yes, the thing about the peanut butter and jelly sandwiches is totally true.

...Well...alright.  Half-true.

jazzman831
 member, 691 posts
Tue 4 Sep 2012
at 21:23
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
I agree with Utsukushi on the use of tags. Having to select the auto-tag to make sure you get them correct is a downgrade (nor does it cover all situations), but the proposed feature would be an upgrade.
Bifford
 member, 51 posts
 Semington RPG Group (UK)
 LARP, RPG & Photography
Wed 5 Sep 2012
at 11:52
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
In the game I am GMing I keep a record of all the rolls and their results at the top of the post in a PM to the GM (myself). So the post can look, to me, quite complex. EG: during any social or physical combat as I see:


{Private to GM: GM-Bifford rolled 51 using 1d100 with rolls of 51. B4 evade. T=35.}

The bandit in front of ### goes to take a step forward to follow, but hesitates. He looks to his left where #### is standing over his trapped comrade, then he glances to the right to his leader who is clutching his leg, red life seeping out between his fingers.

Instructions as to which player is next up in the social/physical combat

(Private line to ###### text here)


So the ability to see the post from a PLAYERs perspective would be great as it gets rid of the top stuff and the PL if it isn't to that player. :)

Sam / Bifford

(square brackets replace with curly ones for this post)

This message was last edited by the user at 11:54, Wed 05 Sept 2012.

coderodent
 member, 43 posts
Wed 21 Nov 2012
at 23:58
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1 for an easy way to 'preview' as a player.

That said, as a gm, you can see what the posts look like without private lines if you select the D/L option for a thread, and un-check 'show private lines'.
adrasteia1
 member, 919 posts
 Time you enjoy
 wasting isn't wasted
Thu 22 Nov 2012
at 01:05
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1 from me too.

It's not an option that would necessarily be used often, but I remember times in the past when I couldn't see something was wrong with the threads because I was a GM, but the players could. I'd give specifics, but I don't remember exactly.

It could be a handy way for a player with GM privileges to play a character in a game with multiple GMs without seeing private lines, but as a GM I suppose they're meant to see everything if they're responsible for it.

Still, I think the option should perhaps be there for error-checking purposes.
ashberg
 member, 217 posts
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Thu 22 Nov 2012
at 01:22
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1

As GM it would be nice to be able to 'view board as...' with selection of players.

Especially during lengthy campaigns where there are a high number of threads, characters and players.
drew0500
 member, 81 posts
 D&D Gamer
 Eclipse Classless
Fri 30 Nov 2012
at 23:45
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1 from me. I'm curious as to the formatting, and what threads they can see. I run a bunch of adult games and the log out and view it as an outsider solution is not viable for me.
Zeign
 member, 3 posts
Sat 5 Jan 2013
at 19:35
Re: View as Player option for GM's and Mods
+1 from me, I would use this option constantly. I PM things to myself in battles and I PM to different players and sometimes multiple players very often.