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1) Persistent Subject - as now (or we could call it Compulsory Subject) 2) Thread title only - Subject only appears on first post 3) Optional Subject - Compulsory for first post, field blanked and only shown in subsequent post headers when completed Which can be done by adding |X| Persistent subject check box on first post and having optional subject field. For 1) tick Persistent subject and for subsequent posts, subject field is prefilled with last subject and is compulsory. For 2) don't tick Persistent subject and for subsequent posts, subject field is not prefilled and left blank and therefore doesn't show in post headers. For 3) don't tick Persistent subject and for subsequent posts, subject field is not prefilled and only completed when you want a new subject header to appear on a post. Covers both existing and proposed new functionality. Also means that existing threads stay exactly as they are now, with no data conversion necessary. I'd vote for that ! ;> SVG tags ... if it helps, Mr Google says that "SVG is a language for describing 2D graphics in XML. Canvas draws 2D graphics, on the fly (with a JavaScript). SVG is XML based, which means that every element is available within the SVG DOM. You can attach JavaScript event handlers for an element." Whatever that means. But I'm thinking that won't be supported as RPoL has deliberately stayed away from Javascript. | |||||
Wow... and here I'd thought that SVG stood for Scaleable Vector Graphics such as are produced by InkScape, Visio, Abode Illustrator, etc. I had no idea this was being accomplished within an XML framework. If it's XML another scripting language (such as PHP or Perl) could be used to do the scripting. I don't think anything ties us to Javascript (except maybe predefined libraries that might make it easier.) I gotta go dig on this now - it might solve another problem I've been working on. UPDATE: Potentially Useful Link: Add the Graphics Power of SVG to PHP Thanks! This message was last edited by the user at 21:34, Thu 27 Apr 2017. | |||||
As for SVG, yes they are Scaleable Vector Graphics. Yes they are, underneath, XML. But everything's something under the hood. They're a great way of having a dynamically sized image. Inside the XML you might say "there's a line that's 100 pixels in length" but when you render you can make it twice as large or twice as small, and it'll draw the line as either 200 or 50 pixels. It doesn't resize the image, it recalculates how the entire image is rendered, and I think that's the power of SVGs. They're more orientated around geometrical shapes and so do have some limitations on what you can draw with them, but they're very powerful (and normally very efficient). If you're on the responsive site you're seeing one already up the top left -- the impossible cube. Visit http://responsive.rpol.net/images/impossible_cube.svg, the image will be huge (but it's scaleable, remember) but view the source and you'll see only 39 lines of XML. That's the entire image and I can make it 100 pixels wide or 10,000 without any loss in fidelity. | |||||
I guess it comes down to how those existing posts that do have different subjects would be handled - could a data conversion be done to format them appropriately and tack them on to the related post ? SVG: <grrins> Mr Google thanks you, horus. I of course know nothing about 'em ! ;> | |||||
I wasn't sure how much of HTML5 aspects you were going to consider for use in the new site. [hence hey I'm asking here] Also note, the code below would expect to find an example.png file in the same folder as the html file. <html> <head> <style> body { background-color: linen; } h1 { color: maroon; margin-left: 40px; } svg circle.art {fill : gold} svg text { stroke : blue } svg text.Station { stroke : red } svg text.Person { stroke : purple} </style> </head> <body> <svg xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2000/svg" version="1.1" width=600 height=600> <circle class=art cx=300 cy=300 r=250 /> <image height=1403 width= 1073 xlink:href='Example.png' /> <svg x=100 y=100 height=100 width=100> <circle class=marker cx='50' cy='20' r='10' fill='red' stroke='blue' stroke-width='5'/> <text Class=Station text-anchor='middle' x=50 y=50 align=center >Station</text> <text Class=Person text-anchor='middle' x=50 y=65 align=center >New Hope</text> </svg> </svg> </body> </html> | |||||
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That'll come. I've noticed a few functionality annoyances myself. Regarding SVG, I don't think allowing the XML code for SVG within an actual message (i.e. what you typed actually working) is going to work, there's just so much xml/html there to try and account for an allow. I think in opening messages up to be able to have SVG would also end up pretty much allowing any xml/html code. I think good ol' "img src" is still the way to go. | |||||
Shouldn't one be able to get to see their old private messages in games they aren't playing in, to review old RTJ or to review old conversations in games you are lurking in? The private messages menu item doesn't show up in those cases, you only seem to have the ability to create a new thread, or if the link is blue, it will take you to one that they had responded to, but they would have had to respond to have the opportunity to review it. I find I click on the Impossible Cube image a lot as a shortcut to get back to the main menu, which I like. I wish there was a similar fast/quick shortcut to get me back to the current game/forum main menu, even in the small display. Maybe displaying the primary GM's avatar in the top right corner, opposite the impossible cube, for instance might work, just as a potential suggestion, of something that could have a quick link to the game main menu? Thanks! | |||||
That said, with the stated goal of bringing in new members to the site, I would think a more prominent placement of Browse/Search games would be helpful. That's all from me! | |||||
I've been using the responsive site a bit, and I love the ability to scale the game threads in whatever size window I choose. However, I still like the relatively more minimalist look of the current layout. I can see more on the current screen than I can on the responsive site. Another website I frequent changed over a few years ago to a responsive layout, and there, too, it has become harder to scan for what I need, and I have to scroll more. It's OK, just different, and I find that after I use the responsive site for a bit, I switch back over to the original site. It's great, though, for when I want to compose a post in Notepad. I can resize the RPOL window and not have to scroll horizontally to read posts while I'm working in Notepad. That's a nice change. | |||||
I didn't see it yet, so can I raise that age-old question: with the new site, will it be possible to implement a way to link to specific posts? That's basically the one functionality (besides the reclassification of the portrait system, as I posted about in another thread) that I'm really missing from RPOL. If we can't, we can't, it's certainly not a dealbreaker. Thanks for all your hard work! | |||||
Here's a link to your msg #94 above as an example: link to a message in this forum Syntax is: http://rpol.net/display.cgi?gi=36224&ti=834&msgpage=&show=all#94
Though I guess it might be nice to have a 'copy link' or just plain 'link' option up there with all the other post options ('quote | reply | edit | delete') to take all the | |||||
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A somewhat small thing - a bit of horizontal padding on the text will help improve readability (tested on a phone, text butts right up against the side). | |||||
However, on my PC and when I'm navigating threads and games on my phone or on my PC, I use the original rpol.net site. It's probably because it's the most familiar to me, but I can also see more information on the screen at a time without scrolling, and I like that ability, and I don't mind having to zoom in or out to do so. In the responsive site, there's a ton that's menu-based, which works fine, but it's not quite as convenient as just tapping on the link I want. I understand the design decision, though. This message was last edited by the user at 03:48, Fri 04 Aug 2017. | |||||
There's no denying that the current site has a plethora of links conveniently strewn around the page (though not quite logical, some being in opposite corners and all) and we'll lose some of that in the redesign. Hopefully once we've used the responsive site some more and made suggestions as to how we can shuffle the links, there won't be much hunting around for the link you need. Currently it's more of a "lets move this here" rather than an in-depth consideration of where the links should really end up. | |||||
So far, I don't want to switch. | |||||
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Yup, it seems like there are only certain places where the Game Introduction (Game Info?) is visible in the right sidebar menu. Introductory matter should be accessible from the top level of this sidebar, or at least that's how I see it. (For all I know there's a reason it's done the way it is...) | |||||
Additionally, when I change the window size of my browser (firefox) to be really thin, the second menu* (see below) the menu runs off the left side of the screen hiding part of the words. Also, making the screen thin, when posting a reply, the preview and submit buttons are above the format options and have no margin space between the buttons and the formating options. The formatting options need more white space amongst them anyway for phone usage. And the cancel link, which isn't even a full button, is right beside the submit button, easy mistake to click one instead of the other right there. The formatting options also run off the right side of the screen. You probably know this one already, The character details page places the character details box halfway off the right side of the screen. That's all for today *the pink one with these options Main menu Your Games Watched Games Watched Forums Discussion Boards Deleted Games Support RPoL | |||||
On the other hand (I'm reporting, because I'm under the impression that the image server is something that mods can config), character portraits doesn't work with the responsive. Either we got a 403 error (in the Character details and the selection) or the "Sorry picture not available" (in threads and the Character description). It is possible to trick the browser for a short time by opening the page in the normal site then going with the responsible. | |||||
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The rpol beta site however, is nowhere near as fast, though I admit it is faster than most other sites, but it doesn't compare to original rpol at all. | |||||
Check the bottom of the page on the responsive site, it has timings for the page been generated on the server (like the current one does) plus how long it took to render on the browser. For example, when viewing this thread I'm getting "Generated in 0.149 seconds" for rpol.net and "Generated/rendered in 0.147/1.218 seconds" on responsive. Generation time won't be much different between the two. They're fetching the same data from the same server, merely presenting it in different ways (11 KB transferred from rpol.net, 10.9 KB from responsive (both are compressed so about 75% smaller than the actual text)). If you're finding the rendered time quite slow (several seconds) then try a different browser and compare results. | |||||
On a good day I get about 1mb per minute download speed, sometimes it takes up to 2 minutes per mb. Modern sites tend to make use of faster connections available to add lots of flash and pizzazz, and leave us poor folks who can't pay for top speed connections suffering for it. Heck, half the time, the ads auto download more stuff, and images tend to get priority over text for some reason. Though that is mostly on other sites. On a good connection, it goes unnoticed, but on a bad one, it makes a massive difference on forum choice. For example, I don't even try to go to Overmare Studios without a Starbucks connection anymore. |
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