JohnB
supporter, 2114 posts
Demigod of the Stunties
Sat 30 Jan 2021
at 08:20 | Re: RPoL Design Update| jase: | | Ok I think I've got the view impersonation and private lines (which includes private groups and language lines) sorted. About the most complicated thing I've done here. |
Thank you :) I might not be as active as I was, but I appreciate the work you do to keep the site developing and growing. All power to your elbow :)
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jase
admin, 3823 posts
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Sat 30 Jan 2021
at 08:54 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateTo further clarify "preview as", unless you're a GM it's severely limited when using private groups (and languages, which are just a special way of addressing groups).
In a nutshell to avoid revealing members of a private group it'll assume the "worst".
That is if you say "private to group xxx" it'll assume the player is not a member. If you say "private to not group xxx" it'll assume they are a member.
So, if you preview as "Bob" who is or isn't a member of the private group "Whatever" (the result is the same regardless whether he's a member of the private group):
| Private line | Visibility |
|---|
| Private to Bob | Shown | | Private to group Whatever | Hidden | | Private to not group Whatever | Hidden | | Private to Bob; group Whatever | Shown | | Private to Bob; not group Whatever | Hidden | | Language Whatever | Scrambled |
Also, if you preview as Bob and he doesn't have access to the thread then everything will be hidden/scrambled anyway. Kind of a moot point as they can't even open the thread, but the permission check figures the character has no access to the thread so hides everything. Behaviour of this could be changed and instead provide a theoretical view if they did have access, might be slightly helpful of a GM plans on moving the thread group after (or giving the character access to that group).
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nauthiz
subscriber, 706 posts
Sat 30 Jan 2021
at 17:17 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateThat table helps clarify things. I appreciate the inclusion.
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SunRuanEr
subscriber, 366 posts
Sat 30 Jan 2021
at 19:26 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateThanks jase, that's awesome! Looking forward to testing it out. =)
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Kat'
member, 53 posts
Thu 4 Feb 2021
at 07:41 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateI gave a quick shot at the new design. I like it for the most part, it is easier to read, more modern, and has a more intuitive interface.
Throwing a few suggestions around:
- Make portraits about 50% bigger; they look so much tinier compared to the new text boxes!
- Dice roller UI could be a bit more compact in order to fit on a single page
And a bug, I've been granted lurker access to a game, I can see it just fine with the old design, but not with the new one, it just says that there are no messages for this game.
link to another game
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ladysharlyne
subscriber, 3007 posts
Member before Oct 2005
The glass is half full
Thu 4 Feb 2021
at 17:30 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateI checked that link out, and it was fine, probably the threads are in group 1 or more.
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LonePaladin
member, 858 posts
Creator of HeroForge
Fri 5 Feb 2021
at 02:58 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateCan we get some more themes migrated to the responsive site? I've really gotten used to the Dark Purple theme here -- it's the color I associate with RPoL -- and the idea of trying to manually duplicate it over there is daunting.
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jase
admin, 3825 posts
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Sun 7 Feb 2021
at 10:08 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateWe shrink the portraits 50% on the thread list as it makes for a nice reduced size scaling (some machines/browsers don't do it very well if you set it to 66% or 75%). If we increased the size it'd be double what it currently is, I think it'd be too large and take up too much space on the left.
Have already shrunk the roller but agreed it's still too long, will look into that.
Fixed threads for lurkers, the access routine it wasn't retrieving lurker access at all. Was a quick fix so hopefully didn't break something else.
To create a purple (or any coloured) theme I'm going to go off an use the same theme creation tool you're using... so maybe the "daunting" task of creating a dozen different colours could not all be left up to me...? (c;
This message was last edited by the user at 15:27, Sun 07 Feb.
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jase
admin, 3826 posts
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Mon 8 Feb 2021
at 13:02 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateHave tweaked the die roller. Not as spacious as before but that's what you get when you cut out space! (c;
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Zag24
supporter, 672 posts
Mon 8 Feb 2021
at 13:31 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateIf you're looking to shrink that page, you could put what is currently Step 3 first, with one option "Manual," and only show Steps 1 & 2 if that's selected. The rest of Step 3 -- the additional box to the right and the descriptive text below -- would only be shown if it isn't "Manual," so it doesn't save a lot when on Manual, but it saves a little.
You could also modernize the look by removing the lines between the sections and, instead, use background colors to delineate as you've done all over, which shrinks it further.
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Starchaser
member, 855 posts
Shoda mo tsumoreba taibok
Mon 8 Feb 2021
at 16:55 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateHi I don't know if this is already in your bugs list but I have noticed that if I have a game with, say, four pages and navigate to page 2, the links at the top that show 'Page 1 of x' and then the page numbers doesn't change. It always says page 1 of and page 1 is highlighted / not linked. So to get to page 1 again you have to click on the game menu. Not really a biggie but just thought I'd mention it.
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jase
admin, 3827 posts
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Tue 9 Feb 2021
at 04:46 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateIn reply to Zag24 (msg # 498):
Some of the options in step 2 are available when rolling a system (record die springs to mind) so not quite as simple. Collapsing sections can be quite helpful, not sure if it might end up being annoying in the roller though.
I looked at not using the boxes but I found you needed to use more white space to compensate, so it ended up about the same height. If it "modernises" the page then happy to do it for the sake of that, though I'm not sure why a border isn't considered modern (but really, what do I know?!).
In reply to Starchaser (msg # 499):
There's a few spots that page numbers are wrong or poorly formatted but I hadn't picked that one, thanks. Fixed.
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jase
admin, 3829 posts
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Fri 12 Feb 2021
at 14:29 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateSmall update on. Fixed a few bugs I found.
Also made a teensy tiny change to the compose screen when replying to a public thread or reply all to a private. Alas it does rely on javascript but most do have it enabled. See if you can spot it (and let me know what you think). (c;
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nauthiz
subscriber, 708 posts
Fri 12 Feb 2021
at 15:40 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateThat effect is pretty fancy.
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SunRuanEr
subscriber, 368 posts
Fri 12 Feb 2021
at 15:51 | Re: RPoL Design Update*squeeeeeeeeee*
Normal reading order! Yaaaaaaaay!
(and a good clue for when I screw up and fail to hit the proper 'Reply' option, too!)
Thanks Jase =)
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jase
admin, 3830 posts
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Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 13:06 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateWell... it's more than a pretty effect and reading order. (c;
Posting a reply will now open the compose screen at the bottom of the current page. Instant reply window and the current page in its entirety is available to you.
Being me I've now gone one further.
Hitting the quote or reply links on an individual message will now append that quote/reply at the bottom of your current compose screen. This no longer needs a new page to load plus you can do 5 quotes and 5 replies for a single message. But not 6, because that would be silly!
Those watching closely will notice a slight delay when pressing quote, that's because it's got to retrieve the post text from the server again to prune out any unwanted text (private lines, edit comments etc).
Not sure how much either are used but I hope it makes life easier and faster for everyone. You can return to the old behaviour by right-clicking on any of the links and opening in a new tab.
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Ski-Bird
subscriber, 158 posts
Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 13:11 | Re: RPoL Design Update| jase: | ... you can do 5 quotes and 5 replies for a single message. ...
Not sure how much either are used but I hope it makes life easier and faster for everyone. |
I do this quiet a bit, include more than one quote in a single post, I mean. Sometimes I'll have an NPC that is responding to a few different PCs and it's nice to call attention to what they are answering. The old way involved a fair bit of copy/paste and manually creating the [quote] tags ... this is much easier.
Seconded.
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LonePaladin
member, 864 posts
Creator of HeroForge
Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 18:16 | Re: RPoL Design Update| jase: | | Hitting the quote or reply links on an individual message will now append that quote/reply at the bottom of your current compose screen. |
Would it be possible to have that quote button look for highlighted text, and only quote that part?
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jase
admin, 3831 posts
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Sun 14 Feb 2021
at 23:55 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateUnfortunately not, as mentioned the system has to retrieve the saved message from the server. The source can be very different to what you're seeing (or what others should be seeing). Tables, grids, colouring, private lines, secret lines, languages, lists, images... the list goes on.
If it was done that way then you'd lose all formatting (tables and lists would become a mass of text) and all private, secret and language lines would be included as you see them.
Best option, keeping those issues in mind is to go to the message, copy the text, hit quote and then replace with your clipboard.
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LonePaladin
member, 865 posts
Creator of HeroForge
Mon 15 Feb 2021
at 04:00 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateSuspected as much. Having the older messages visible will facilitate that, so it's good.
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ladysharlyne
subscriber, 3018 posts
Member before Oct 2005
The glass is half full
Sat 20 Feb 2021
at 11:44 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateIn reply to jase (msg # 504):
I have tried this and it works brilliantly thank you so much for this feature to quote more than one post. As always you give us your best and you are much appreciated for it. It is a big help to me! x
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SunRuanEr
subscriber, 374 posts
Tue 23 Feb 2021
at 20:22 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateNoticed a bit of weirdness recently, not sure for how long it's been going on but was at least happening yesterday and today.
Hitting 'Post a Reply' at the bottom of a thread is auto-populating the Subject from the post at the *TOP* of the viewable page into the post window, instead of the title from the most-recent post in the thread. Not sure if this is because the title used to pull from the topmost post (when the recent posts were below the post window in reverse order) or what, but I've caught it happening twice now.
Edit for clarity: When it just happened to me, I was trying to reply to post #153 of a thread, but it pulled the Subject title from post #119, which was the topmost visible post of that page when in the reply composition window.
This message was last edited by the user at 20:24, Tue 23 Feb.
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SunRuanEr
subscriber, 375 posts
Fri 26 Feb 2021
at 17:01 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateGot some more weirdness out of nowhere.
So, PMs now trip Last Post*, and for GM-controlled characters (NPC or PC) trip Last Login on the cast list that players see (which is good, since that's back on the non-mouseover cast list), but for some reason...that's not staying in at least one instance I've found.
Yesterday, a round of PMs tripped a last login for GM-controlled characters in a new game and turned their Last Login to (as it should have) 'Today'.
Today, every last one of those GM-controlled characters, all of whom are showing a Last Post of yesterday still (because of the PM that was sent that tripped their login), are showing Last Logins of 'Never'. Yesterday, the day they made their PM post, they were showing Last Logins of 'Today'. I'm not seeing this behavior in games where characters have all previously posted in public threads, so I suspect this is somehow related to having ONLY posted in PMs but I could be wrong. At the very least, where I can verify, in every game with a GM-controlled character that HAS posted in a public thread, they are not reverting to a 'Never' Last Login.
*-Additionally, PMs are also not tripping Last Post consistently. Some player-owned characters ARE having their Last Post tripped by PMing with the GM (either in their RTJ thread or otherwise). Most are not. (Roughly 1/3 of the player characters are having their Last Post count their PMs with the GM, the other 2/3 still show 'Never' as their Last Post, despite being deep in discussion with the GM.) GM-controlled characters that PM only other GM-controlled characters are NOT having their Last Post tripped at all. If a GM-controlled character starts a PM with player characters, it will trip Last Post for the player character, but not the GM character. If a player character starts the PM with a GM-controlled character, and the GM character responds, it will trip their Last Post and Last Login, but apparently only for the day the post was made.
I know you've put a lot of work into trying to fix the system that attempts to obfuscate GM-controlled characters, jase, but I'm beginning to feel like the best fix is to undo all of it and revert it back to the old years-ago situation of GM-controlled characters logging in when the GM does. The system that 'scrambles' their Last Login seems like it's causing more harm than good by creating these weird discrepancies. At the very least, it seems easier on you. =(
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byzantinex
member, 208 posts
Sun 28 Feb 2021
at 13:08 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateStrange issue that's easily overcome but annoying. On mobile (Android, Chrome) whenever I click to post, the subject and post as boxes are hidden. I can turn my phone sideways (landscape) and it shows back up, and it remains visible once I turn my phone portrait mode again.
Like I said, small issue, but didn't see anyone else point it out yet. Thanks a ton for this awesome website and all the work you do Jase!
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SunRuanEr
subscriber, 377 posts
Wed 17 Mar 2021
at 13:18 | Re: RPoL Design UpdateSmall weirdness this morning, not majorly concerning, but felt like a different behavior than usual.
Was working on a post and decided to back out of it, so went to hit back, got the whole expected 'confirm you want to leave the page' popup and did that, then it tripped a solid gray page with a 'Confirm Form Resubmission' (this is where things start to get unusual, since I'm pretty sure that usually confirming leaving the page with the popup just took us back to the thread before). So I did...
...and it popped up the thread with the reply posting window containing the entirety of the last post I had made in the thread days ago as if it had just been written and was ready to repost. o.O
As an aside, can confirm now with regards to post #511 above that GM-controlled characters do NOT have their last logins reset to 'Never' at midnight once they have made posts in public threads. It continues to reset to 'Never' at midnight for GM-controlled characters that haven't posted in public threads.
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